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politician."},{"startTime":272.34,"endTime":273.51,"body":"What the fuck?"},{"startTime":273.51,"endTime":274.83,"body":"Donald Tom Riddle."},{"startTime":275.1,"endTime":276.33,"body":"He's Voldemort."},{"startTime":276.81,"endTime":277.92,"body":"Where did you find Voldemort?"},{"startTime":278.34,"endTime":283.23,"body":"He was posting on the IETF mailing lists,"},{"startTime":278.34,"endTime":283.23,"body":"but the ministry keeps censoring him."},{"startTime":283.8,"endTime":285.99,"body":"I am being silenced for my opinions."},{"startTime":286.68,"endTime":291.24,"body":"The ministry, you mean the"},{"startTime":286.68,"endTime":291.24,"body":"TLS WG chairs and the IESG?"},{"startTime":291.9,"endTime":296.37,"body":"This censorship is a continuing assault"},{"startTime":291.9,"endTime":296.37,"body":"against I ETF's promise of openness."},{"startTime":296.82,"endTime":299.07,"body":"Uh, I can't believe we're doing this."},{"startTime":299.625,"endTime":303.224,"body":"The chairs 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the record,"},{"startTime":399.165,"endTime":400.845,"body":"the ad who lived come to lie."},{"startTime":401.295,"endTime":405.225,"body":"Uh, it does seem like you're"},{"startTime":401.295,"endTime":405.225,"body":"abusing process and threatening"},{"startTime":405.225,"endTime":407.925,"body":"integrity just because your"},{"startTime":405.225,"endTime":407.925,"body":"algorithms weren't standardized."},{"startTime":408.285,"endTime":409.005,"body":"Barack."},{"startTime":409.47,"endTime":412.62,"body":"We gotta shut this down or"},{"startTime":409.47,"endTime":412.62,"body":"he'll talk his own nose off."},{"startTime":413.13,"endTime":415.11,"body":"I'm not the only person with objections."},{"startTime":415.49,"endTime":415.77,"body":"Draco."},{"startTime":415.8,"endTime":417.18,"body":"Malfoy also objected."},{"startTime":417.84,"endTime":420.18,"body":"Your god damn student objected."},{"startTime":420.66,"endTime":422.91,"body":"This is clearly a brigade Barack."},{"startTime":423.39,"endTime":425.58,"body":"There are good people on both sides."},{"startTime":428.635,"endTime":429.275,"body":"I booted him."},{"startTime":430.38,"endTime":432.9,"body":"Thank God you really have"},{"startTime":430.38,"endTime":432.9,"body":"a quite a group chat."},{"startTime":432.9,"endTime":433.32,"body":"Donnie."},{"startTime":433.86,"endTime":434.85,"body":"You can't do that."},{"startTime":434.85,"endTime":436.77,"body":"You can't kick out Mr. Tom."},{"startTime":437.145,"endTime":438.375,"body":"I'll see you in court."},{"startTime":438.765,"endTime":438.915,"body":"I"},{"startTime":438.915,"endTime":439.745,"body":"think you mean on MODPOD."},{"startTime":440.445,"endTime":440.915,"body":"Donnie."},{"startTime":441.435,"endTime":442.875,"body":"Wow, this was a disaster."},{"startTime":443.175,"endTime":446.195,"body":"I should start writing standards"},{"startTime":443.175,"endTime":446.195,"body":"somewhere else like C2SP"},{"startTime":446.655,"endTime":447.975,"body":"great idea Obama."},{"startTime":448.455,"endTime":451.575,"body":"Donnie, shouldn't you be"},{"startTime":448.455,"endTime":451.575,"body":"monitoring the situation in Iran?"},{"startTime":451.935,"endTime":453.195,"body":"I am monitoring it."},{"startTime":453.345,"endTime":455.085,"body":"How do you like the performance?"},{"startTime":455.685,"endTime":457.665,"body":"I thought you said you"},{"startTime":455.685,"endTime":457.665,"body":"were gonna stop all Wars."},{"startTime":457.665,"endTime":458.115,"body":"Donnie,"},{"startTime":458.655,"endTime":463.335,"body":"I hear Ayatollah Rasm and his cadre of"},{"startTime":458.655,"endTime":463.335,"body":"fanatics are consolidating their power."},{"startTime":463.785,"endTime":465.885,"body":"That Ayatollah thinks"},{"startTime":463.785,"endTime":465.885,"body":"he's better than America."},{"startTime":466.71,"endTime":468.84,"body":"I'm gonna sock it to him in style."},{"startTime":469.2,"endTime":471.48,"body":"I'm tired of all this"},{"startTime":469.2,"endTime":471.48,"body":"talk about cryptography."},{"startTime":471.48,"endTime":472.74,"body":"Let's go play Fortnite."},{"startTime":473.13,"endTime":473.91,"body":"You guys have fun?"},{"startTime":473.91,"endTime":476.85,"body":"I'm gonna go drinking with"},{"startTime":473.91,"endTime":476.85,"body":"Pete Hegseth at Mar-a-Lago."},{"startTime":478.95,"endTime":482.43,"body":"You know the browsers are going"},{"startTime":478.95,"endTime":482.43,"body":"to implement this no matter what."},{"startTime":482.43,"endTime":483.6,"body":"There's customer demand."},{"startTime":484.17,"endTime":486.06,"body":"Stop doing this to yourself, Barack."},{"startTime":486.45,"endTime":486.87,"body":"Fine."},{"startTime":487.08,"endTime":488.43,"body":"Uh, let's go play Fortnite."}]}