Love, Soul, Miracles and Magick with Mel Madgwick

A Sacred Heart’s Journey: Cacao, Mother Earth & the Elements with Simone of Elementals Love Aloha

Mel Madgwick Season 1 Episode 30

Simone upholds a special relationship with the Elements and Mother Earth. This relationship stems from many lifetimes of exploring rituals and undertaking sacred plant medicine ceremonies, following shamanic ancient traditions and the rites of passage and honouring his plants and human teachers.

He came into his body in the Northern Hemisphere, in a little town surrounded by mountains, rivers, forest and wildlife. Simone has been moving around since a young age looking for a place to call home, when he finally realised that this place is within him, in the heart centre, Anahata.

Simone is a space holder, ceremonialist and Reiki Master, who draws upon different tools in his offerings in reverence of the lineage that he has be initiated in. 

The connection between Simone and Cacao medicine is profound, full of respect and reverence.

You can reach out to Simone through his Instagram @elementalslovealoha

or on his website elementalslovealoha.com

In this podcast we talk about:

- Simone's spiritual journey
- Helping people step into their heart space and move through fear
- Opening to Reiki and channeling Reiki for others
- Simone's experience with past lives
- Deepening his spiritual journey with meditation and yoga
- Past life regression and healing trauma
- Becoming vegetarian and then vegan
- Clearing out energy
- Feeling the calling of cacao
- Cacao ceremonies and connecting to the medicine of cacao
- Cacao medicine journey
- Clearing his heart and connecting with Mother Nature
- Shamanic journeying and past lives
- Shamanic journeying with cacao
- Releasing energy and re-connecting with the heart through shamanic journeying
- Simone's cacao and sound healing ceremonies
- Simone's experience with holding space for a lot of people

Follow Mel on Instagram: @therosemother

Speaker 1:

So today on the podcast we have Simone . Hi, Simone . Nice to have you here. Can you tell us a bit about who you are and what you do in the spiritual space?

Speaker 2:

Hi , Mel . And hi everyone. It is , uh, here with us today. Such a pleasure being here with you. And just share some , uh, words , wisdom today gonna come , uh, through in our journey today. So as you say, I'm Simona and , uh, I'm from Italy. So I come from , uh, the northern hemisphere in a little town, close to the mountains, rivers, and , uh, such a beautiful , uh, space and energies and nature that is very wide and , uh, wise, I would say, and what I do in this spiritual , uh, world. Uh , I started , uh, my journey with , uh, meditation and yoga, like , uh, learning. I'm not a , a teacher, but , uh, learning , uh, for , uh, my inner healing process and to release a lot of , uh, things , uh, traumatic experience from my past , uh, and , uh, try my best to open my heart. So my spiritual journey, start to allow myself to open my heart to actually love myself and actually receive love mothers , which was like pretty hard for me, for most of my life, honestly. And , um, what I'm doing is , uh, I'm here to share what I've been learning in , uh, since I started my spiritual journey with other people, to allow them to step into them heart space and open them heart , uh, uh, on a deeper level, connect with these , uh, beautiful, unconditional love. And , uh, it's all about letting go step out of , uh, fear, fear of love, fear to connect with others and themself on a deeper level. And , uh, are waving through different practices that I've been , uh, uh, connected with and embody in the last years of my , uh, spiritual journal, let's say. And , uh, these practices that are waving between , uh, caca . Caca is my main medicine, caca ceremonies. And , um, meditation is , uh, I really go deeper into my meditation journey and sound and energy healing. I start my energy healing journey with myself to heal , uh, myself and to learn how to tap this , uh, into this divine energy. And I ended up finishing, like , uh, uh, connect with the reiki energy and , uh, um, opening myself to receive this , uh, divine , uh, beautiful energy to allow myself to heal and to allow to channel this energy to, to other people. And so this is , uh, what I'm doing here right now. And , uh, yeah, it's a beautiful , uh, it's a beautiful journey of , uh, heart opening . I would say.

Speaker 1:

I've actually done a journey with you, a cacao , shamanic journey with you. It was definitely so hard opening. It was also so deep, like I wasn't expecting to go so deep into myself , um, and to really discover some very new things about myself as well. So I'm just wondering , um, now that we're talking about the shamanic journey and the work that you do with others, I'm wondering if maybe you could share a little bit more about your spiritual awakening and how that led you onto the path of offering cacao and, and offering , um, shamanic journeying as well.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, you are not the first one telling me that there've been journey with kaka with me. And they, they went like really deep into them whole journey, like , uh, and they actually weren't feeling that , uh, this would happen because I have been joined with many , uh, source that have been joined with caca with other facilitator before. And , uh, I feel that everyone has a different connection to the medicine and also a different, a different call as well, how , why they are here to serve in this man . So why they fed the call , you know? And for me , uh, my spiritual journey actually started , uh, before Kaka . Um , I was living , uh, uh, away of life where I wasn't really feeling connected to spirit. I was really disconnected , uh, from myself, from my heart space because I was , uh, feeling fear to, to love myself, to love others to even receive. I wasn't really tapped into my heart and disconnected from the spiritual world. I was just connected with what was in front of me, like in the 3D world. And , uh, and then I start meditation, like , uh, because a friend of mine, she was meditating and she was like, oh, let's meditate together. It was like, I was like, yeah, let's , uh, let's try. I never did it. I don't feel that I'm really into meditation or I can see myself doing yoga, for example, because I was always like doing active things, like go to the gym and go mountain biking and surfing and try to feel emotion through like , uh, adrenaline sports. And , uh, and so I try and I, after that , she insisted a bit and I was like, okay, let's, let's do it. Let's , uh, let's try, you know, and I'm open to, and we meditate together, and we started to speak about it. And at one point , uh, she, she shared with me a book , uh, the book is like , uh, many lives, many masters from , uh, Dr . Brian . We , and I was like, oh, interesting, okay. I'm not , uh, a really , uh, I wasn't really reading much back then, especially like my English was , uh, pretty bad , uh, at that time. So I was like, ah , I wanna try, you know, it's gonna be good for me. And it opened my mind and I start to read this book, and as soon I start to read it , uh, what was written there about , uh, past lives, about what , uh, other people have been experiencing and all , uh, everything that this , uh, doctor actually , um, was , uh, receiving from , uh, uh, the journey with this patient that he was also himself was surprised for what was happening. And he jumped , uh, from like , uh, connecting like this lady to , uh, trauma from her childhood, and she jumped into a past life and it was like, oh, what's going on? And I was actually, I wasn't really surprised to read that. I was like, really? Oh, this is, I just felt that this was the truth, like about past life. And before that I wasn't really believing past life. I was like kind of a guy that when you die, you die. And there is not , there is nothing I , afterwards, you know, there is no heaven, there is no hell , there is just, that's , this is the end and this book, and my friend, she guide me to it . But when I start to read this book, I was like, wow, everything makes sense now . What , whatever was written there , it was just , uh, it was just the truth for me. I was just, oh, I was just, I felt that I was just sleeping until that moment, and then I just woke up and I could , uh, reconnect with this spiritual world that , uh, it was like something not new because I was connected when I was a child. Uh, I grew up as a Catholic and going to school with my parents, my nna . And , uh, so I did all of those , uh, parts in, in church and connecting with God in that way. Uh , but then through my teenager years, and when I was a young adult , I just let it go because of traumatic experience that I've been living . So I stopped to believe in all things, and I was just believing what was in front of me. And then this book, like opened myself again to my new beliefs, I would say, and I could connect with the spiritual world. And this is where I felt like a shift within me and this spiritual journey started to, I , I wanted to investigate more into this past life, what it is, and I want to connect more with my ancestors, and I deepen my meditation journey. And , uh, I start to do more yoga and go, really, for me, yoga was like a way to move the energy of the body and then to allow myself to come back to stillness. And it was , uh, everything was leading to the moment of meditation and just sit there after moving all the energies and just drop in and start my meditation and go into my meditation journeys. And , uh, I felt the call to do , uh, past life regression with , uh, my first yoga teacher, actually, his name is Ben. And , um, he was guiding past life regression. And , uh, I just felt connected , uh, to him. And I wanted to experience more because I know that there was some wisdoms that there were there from my previous life that I couldn't assess , uh, uh, at that time. So , uh, I just , uh, did a few past life regression in like four in total, like since then. And I could , uh, actually heal a lot of , uh, trauma that they were coming, that they were stored within me in my bones, in my blood, in my body, but they were actually from this lifetime. And I could heal a lot of things, and I could actually open myself to shift how I was perceiving things, how was feeling and how I was , uh, acting in the world and the things that I was doing. And a lot of things have been shifted from that, from like , uh, quitting , uh, um, coffee to quit , uh, to drink hardcore . And I became vegetarian, and I'm basically vegan right now. And a lot of things have shifted. I dropped a lot of things in my life that they weren't really serving me and to clear level of energy to really allow me to connect on a deeper level with, with what I was feeling called to do here in , uh, in this life now , like my dharma. And so I, I connect with this past life regression, and I start to go deeper into , uh, feeling what was , uh, there for me, you know? And I, the first time that I felt the call from CACA was actually pretty random. I , I didn't know what the caca ceremony were . I was like, I just went to the festival here in Melbourne , uh, MINDBODY spirit. And , uh, and there was like , uh, this , uh, native American , uh, stand where there was, I always been feeling attracted from Native American energy. I have , I discovered afterwards, I have like , past lives with , uh, when I was , uh, in tribe and , uh, in the , as a Native American man and , uh, a chief of a tribe there. And , uh, I just felt connected. And there was, there were like a serving , uh, few , uh, medicines from , uh, them land . And there was like this flyer of ACA ceremonies , and I tried to connect with them, but unfortunately it was fully booked. And so I just went online and reached , I looked for other caca ceremonies in the area . I was here in Melbourne. And , uh, I found like , um, Renee that afterwards became my teacher re Renee McCrady . And , uh, and she was doing a Pecos ceremonies , uh, like after a few months, and I tried to reach out and book in , and I also, this one was fully booked. And , um, so I just let it go. I was like, okay, it's not the time for me to receive this man . She , I didn't know anything. I didn't have any expectation. This is like my way to , uh, connect with the medicine work. I don't have any expectation from the beginning, just feel the call from a , a plant. I just feel the call from a , a specific practice or medicine journey. And then I just allow that this medicine is coming to me. When is the time, the right time? And so I , I started to connect with Renee and she, and we, we, we , we bond, we were sharing moments , uh, and , um, wisdom. She was sharing wisdom with me. I was like, the beginning I wanted to learn was open to learn everything, you know, I was like, where I am feeling that I'm going, what I'm feeling that I'm supposed to do. And , uh, and at one point I was, I bought like some flower licenses from her because she, she's on air list . She created herself. And, and , uh, she actually gift me some cacao because we were speaking about caca was like , ah , you didn't come to the cinema full book . I just give you Sean cacao . So cacao came to me like , uh, suddenly , uh, when , uh, I wasn't like, I , I dropped like the expectation to sit in a caca C because there were any in the, in the moment. And just cacao came to me, and I just asked her, okay, I have the cow here, but how can I sit with this medicine, like in a ceremonial way, like in a ritualistic way. Like, I wanna sit with the right intention and give , uh, with the reverence , uh, for this medicine. And so she showed me, like , uh, she shared with me few wisdoms how she was doing it. And I started my journey with myself with cacao . And I didn't know what to expect. I didn't know much about , uh, what this will , uh, uh, open like for myself in the future. And I just felt the call from this medicine, and I start to drink a cow, not every day , because I've never been drinking a cow every day . But , uh, maybe at the beginning I was drinking a couple of times a week, and then I purchased more cacao . At that time it was from Guatemala, and I just felt like I was drinking cacao and sitting like in meditation and chanting mantras or playing some shamanic , uh, music on the background, like drumming and flutes, and really deep , uh, music from the heart . And I was just journey with myself without like , uh, um, really understand what was going on. But I was just feeling like the , there was a shift , uh, uh, around my heart space, and I was like, oh, this is good . I was just feeling that energy there were shifting. And , uh, so I felt like , uh, that kaka was a big calling for me, and I just started to drink it for myself and to allow me to go deeper into my , uh, journeys where, for me, it was always like a meditation journey. You know, I sit with the medicine, then I sit in silence, and I start to play. Like, I had like a Tibetan ball back then, and I start to play my Tibetan ball . And then I felt the call that I wanted to connect with the shaman drum. So I bought one and, and everything start to like , uh, start to , uh, come together, like slowly, you know, an instrument came through, a practice came through. I was chanting a lot of mantras back then, because I was already connected with meditation to mantras. So I had like my mala , my ma beats , I was chanting in my 108 rounds of different mantras in, in Sanskrit. And yeah. And caca really allowed me to go deeper in any of those practices that I was doing, and , uh, really allow me to, to open my heart, clear my heart, and , uh, really open myself to connect back with the natural world that , uh, this is what I was missing actually in my life back then. Open my heart, connect with my heart, and connect with modern nature.

Speaker 1:

How interesting as well that you connected in through the past lives, first, you know, with your book and , and with your friends, and do you feel like maybe , um, in this lifetime you have anyone around you who is maybe also from a past life?

Speaker 2:

Uh , absolutely.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I do as well. I do, I actually feel like many of the spiritual people that I've met over the last couple of years, I've shared past lives with also within the shamanic journey. So what came up for me was a past, was a few different past lives as well during the shamanic journeying that we had. So do you find that that also happens for other people as well?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Because for me, like cacao is coming from , uh, I mean, I'm really connected with this medicine when I, it is not like I'm just serving it. I really use the medicine for a way to connect with the other person that I'm serving the medicine with. And at the beginning was just myself. And then I start to journey with one friend, two friends, and then after the years, I start to hold space. Uh , I felt a call to hold space , uh, by the people. And when I connect, I drink the medicine with you. For example, we have our one-on-one, and , uh, I drink the medicine with you and I , and I use the medicine to really allow me to connect , uh, with you and whatever you need to receive and whatever receiving this in this , uh, timeline right now. Meanwhile , we are connecting shamanic journey with the cacao or other , deep medicine is like other past life that come true as well because they wanna share, like , uh, some wisdoms they wanna clear something around , uh, in , uh, your energy field or maybe, yeah, maybe some guides , uh, that , uh, are around you. They, they feel that they , if you are connected with a past life, you are gonna gain some , uh, uh, wisdom right now. Anything that you need to shift, you know, and this worked for me as well. Like , uh, I connect with past life because , uh, I have , uh, many things. Uh , the first time I connected with this , uh, this aggression, I have many things I want to shift from my life and understand, because I was feeling a lot of things that I didn't know where they were coming from. And, and I wanted to release many things and, and understand. So connected with pastor really allow me to, to, to gain these , uh, wisdoms. And it's pretty normal, like in , uh, in a caca ceremony or shaman journey. Uh , I would say even like the healing, like reiki energy healing or meditation that past life, they come and they show us something, you know? We connect with people. I, I really felt what you say , like , uh, many people, like, especially like in the last years I've been connected with people that I have been , uh, sharing life in the past. Like my partner, Jasmine, we, the first time we connected, we felt that we had like, past lives together. And one was like one of the first lives here as a human. Yeah. It was like pretty deep, the connection from the beginning, I was like, oh yeah, for sure. We share like something before because , uh, what we were feeling right now, it's not just coming from this moment, it's coming from a previous connection.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. And that, that's interesting that you just said that, because that's why I asked you, because they showed me the connection that you had with Jasmine in your past life, and it was actually a beautiful indigenous type connection. And , uh, the message that I got is that they showed me you guys together and you looked completely different to what you are now, but you guys were holding hands and there was a river, and you guys had a little place down by the river and spent so much time together. So that's why <laugh> , that's why I asked. Um, 'cause yeah, I just felt that connection immediately.

Speaker 2:

Thank you for sharing this. Yeah, it resonate a lot because , um, yeah, we , we work, both of us, we work with the elements a lot. And Jasmine , uh, she's really connected with the water in her healing, and I'm really connected with hurt . But I had , uh, a past life regression journey like a couple of weeks ago where , uh, I actually was , uh, a woman in that life. It was my first time, experienced myself as a woman, not as a man. Mm-Hmm , <affirmative> . And I was really connected with the river. I was like , uh, somewhere around Egypt or , um, there was desert. So it was , uh, was around that , uh, that area. And it was in the past , uh, it was in like a recent li uh , life , and it was a woman and I was really connected with the river. We were like , uh, connected with the river. The river was really healing, and we were , um, we were creating medicine from like a lotus that they were growing from the, the rivers. And it was really beautiful. And , um, I really feel the connection with the , uh, the elements, like the water for myself. I really feel connected with her then I really, we can , uh, like connecting with the elements, we can really allow , um, a deep healing in our , uh, journey, depends which whatever we are here to , to shift.

Speaker 1:

Now that you're talking about the elements, did you find that the connection with them and with Mother Earth came with the wisdom that you were learning about shamanic journeying? Or do you feel like that came at another time?

Speaker 2:

The connection with Mother Herter came when I was a , a little kid because I always been like, connected with the earth when I was in Italy, like, I was always going, like , uh, helping my , uh, grandfather, like in the garden. We were always going , uh, uh, picking mushroom, like a ine mushroom and together. And I always felt like , uh, I was like a kind of kid. I always want to be outside and playing, connecting with her in the ground and, and exploring. And , um, but then I left , uh, I , I lost this connection , uh, through the years when I was , uh, growing up and, you know, teenager. And I just , uh, didn't want to be there. And I reconnected with Mother Health , uh, when I , uh, actually start my journey with caca , as I was saying before, cacao really , uh, show me how to reconnect , uh, with mother health and , uh, gain wisdoms from , uh, from , uh, from her that , uh, they are , they're available for everyone. If , uh, we can like , uh, uh, uh, let go a bit of , uh, the 3D world , what we need to do every day in life, and if we can like , uh, uh, shift , uh, some energy and allow us our ourself to go out and play, for example, and connect it with , uh, with nature. Um , mother nature really allow me to, to, with the connection with her, really allow me to reconnect with , uh, myself, within myself and all , uh, the wisdom of my heart. And , um, it was a really beautiful , uh, uh, journey when I started, and it started with cacao. So I started to drink a cow , and as soon I was drinking , caca was feeling that I started like, into my room. I think it was like locked down and , um, yeah, it was locked down when I start . So, and then I felt that I wanted to start to drink a car outside. A car was pulling me out from the house , like, oh, go into a park, you know , and sit under a tree, you know? And , uh, and I understood that the connection, the cacao was , uh, was calling me back outside to reconnect with that tree, for example, something that I wasn't doing for a long time. Just put my hands on a tree and just share energy with the tree and just feel , uh, whatever is coming through , let's go of the mind and just , uh, there is , uh, there is nothing to really understand, you know, just feel whatever is coming true and just share energy with myself. Just breathe was visualizing myself breathing and sharing the energy with the tree from a , from the branches down to the roots, and feeling that I was like , uh, giving a receive energy with the tree. And, and like this , I was like feeling like as a child, I was wandering in the garden and connected with all the elements that were there around me, you know? And back then, I, I couldn't really understand it . Everything that was around me was also within me, because I was, at the beginning, I couldn't really assess to those , uh, wisdom of the elemental world that were there actually inside me. And this was a kind of activation, I would say, and connected with the tree and the hurt , and then the element of air and the wind and the birds, and then there was a sun and fire and , uh, the water that it was , uh, all around me or from the sky, from below into my cup, into my body. And so this , uh, the connection with the element really allow me to, to feel , uh, wisdoms that , uh, they're all around us and , uh, within us, if , uh, we can , uh, allow ourself to really open to receive them in this , uh, shamanic journey , uh, with , uh, different medicines , uh, cacao , flower licenses , um, tea as well, for example, we can like really connect with , uh, the wisdoms of , uh, the elements around us and , uh, allowing ourself to feel them , uh, to feel them deeply. And every element is bringing something different , uh, and , uh, different teachings.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. So like, for you, connecting back to nature is also connecting back to your inner child essence as well. And I really feel that for myself too. You know, as a child, it's kind of like, not, not what it's like these days we, I would spend like weeks and weeks and weeks every day at the beach and, you know , um, and , uh, the beach was surrounded by trees and bush and, you know, we would go and play an adventure in there as well. So, and like, it's not, wouldn't have been just for a couple of hours. It would , it would be from like nine o'clock in the morning till six o'clock at night. You know, I used to come home and you see my skin back then it was so tanned, <laugh> , and yeah, it's just a different experience to now. So maybe, you know, it was like, for you, a reconnection back to back to your inner child nature. I feel like a lot of, you know, the threads that open up for us now as adults , um, we already had them there. They were already there , um, as children. And then somewhere along the way we lost them. And then later on we pick them up again when they become, when they become like, really important. So, yeah. I love that. And so, within your shamanic journeys, like how do you structure these for those who might be interested in booking one?

Speaker 2:

So I have a different , uh, offerings that , um, are available for people to feel , uh, uh, what's the best for them. And for example, like one is called a heart activation, which is , uh, uh, caca ceremonies. So we connect with , uh, cacao and , uh, we connect with all the elements through, through the opening of the space. When I open the space and I connect with the other person or a group, for example, or if it's like a larger group, like when I collaborate with other people as well, and creating events . And , uh, so what happen is like , uh, we drink a cow together. We open , I open the space, I call the elements, I call the direction. And , uh, I create this , uh, safe space container for the people to , uh, feel like nurture and feel like protected and safe into the space from , uh, all the energies that are around. And then we drink a cow, and there is a moment of sharing where people, they might share the intention why they are there, what's, what's the call behind the journey, what's, what, whatever they need to shift or, or release or bring into them life . And then we , after drinking a car , after sharing , uh, I invite people to, to connect , uh, uh, on a deeper level with them body , like just, we do the ome exercise , uh, breeding practices to just ground and to feel like , uh, very present in the moment. And , uh, allow with , uh, very busy in their mind, or very busy in the 3D words , uh, everything that , uh, they need to do, everything that they need to rush afterwards or before, you know, to just drop in and come back to the present moment. And then I guide people , uh, into a meditation. There might be some , uh, some , uh, sound with my , my drum or , uh, I use like ti bebo or aara or different kind of instruments that I bring into the journey. It depends what is , uh, um, what is , uh, coming through after we drink cow . I can't , uh, there is not a real structure behind, because I always like in the flow with the medicine and the energy that is coming and the energy of the other person or the group. So there is like a structure behind, like, there is caca , there is a sound and meditation and a bit of grounding breath at the start. But , uh, then everything is coming through is like in the moment, you know, I just, drinking a cow really allow me, as you were saying before, to connect with the , the energy and connect , uh, with , uh, whatever need to , uh, happen in, in the moment. And , um, I love , uh, I love , uh, I really, I really connected with my drum, which I, I made , uh, few years ago. And so , um, big part of the journey most of the time is like shamanic drumming. So I bring with the drum , I start to drum , and I bring people into a meditation in the , uh, shamanic way to say , uh, with the drama , we bring know people into different layer of reality. So we start from the middle world , which is like , uh, where we are right now, like , uh, in , uh, our physical body, like in this 3D dimension. And then , uh, we, with the drum , we bring people into the lower world , like in the, in the underworld to connect with , uh, uh, a different reality, which is not the one that the people , uh, the one that we are living right now, but is a reality of we can call imagination. We can call , uh, uh, another dimension. I would say there's no real name. It's just , uh, we bring people into the, the lower world where they can , uh, like really drop , uh, the physical body and start a journey. Well , in this journey, they're gonna connect with different elements, different guides, different ancestors, depends what is happening for them and what they need to receive. And , uh, and then we are gonna bring the people , uh, to the upper world, which is like connected with the higher energy, like , uh, uh, higher self, the divine god, the universe , uh, other , uh, other beings from other planets or other realities to receive other wisdoms that are not available in this 3D world, or they're not present in the underworld . And , um, yeah, it's a beautiful journey where it is like guided where people, they go into different states of reality. And then after a while that I leave people, their journey , uh, there is a guidance, of course, I, I guide them through , uh, with my walls , like , uh, into all those spaces. And then I just drum without , uh, any guidance. I just let the drum play by itself. I don't really play the drum, but it is the drum that plays through me. And, and then after a while when I feel that , uh, it is time for them to come back, I just , uh, bring them back from where they start. So we start from the wards , we go back to the lower world , and they go back all the way that they worked before. Like if it was a forest, if it was, depends on the journey, a uh , a beach, a , a lake, whatever it is usually is in nature, of course. And they go back and they come back up to the middle world where they're gonna connect back with them bodies before. Uh , and it's very important, I bring people into this journey , uh, to allow them to start the journey in a way, and then go into a journey and then come back in the same way. So every part of , uh, them consciousness is , uh, they know where they're going and how they coming back, and then they come back to the body and present in the moment.

Speaker 1:

I just wanna say from experience, you really hold the space. You hold a very, very strong space. So when you're journeying, like you're not feeling unsafe or anything like that, you can just kind of, well, for me, I laid down and you can just kind of lay back and trust the path. Um, and I think that's just because you're such a strong space holder as well. I mean, I don't often get healings from, from people. Yeah. I could just tell, like with you, I, I was just feeling so held. Then after we had, I was kind of like really surprised actually, too, with how deep it took me with everything that I explored. I think like, because lots of different people will be, will be familiar with different experiences. I know like doing a lot of priestess work, you're connecting in with the higher realms a lot of the time, not really journeying into that underworld, but the underworld is a really important place to journey because it holds a lot of our fears and our shame and past lives, and there's so much to heal down there, right? It's such a healing place. So when people visit you, like, what do you find they usually visit you for? Is it like an aspect of themselves that they wanna heal, or do you find that they just wanna experience something a bit different?

Speaker 2:

So usually , uh, people, they come , uh, to see me because they want to reconnect with them, heart wisdoms or reconnect to love. This is , uh, the main thread , let's say in , uh, in the one-on-one, or like , uh, in the ceremonial spaces , like in events with more people, like up to 25, 30 depends on the space that we hold in collaboration with other facilitator, of course, not just by myself. And so usually the thread is like people that they want to open their heart or reconnect to love or invite love in from , uh, themself and from others. And this is always like , uh, the, the, the thread , let's say it's because , uh, because of the medicine of cacao is because of , uh, the healing is all around the , the heart space . And , uh, uh, as you know, like , uh, when we have like , uh, stuck energies everywhere in our body, we want to bring love into those stuck energy in order to release them. And this is , uh, what people they're looking for. And cacao is actually , uh, what came through for me is like, why cacao is very popular nowadays. Like , uh, 10 years ago was wasn't that popular, for example. And nowadays , uh, there are many cacao cinemas everywhere. A lot of people , uh, want to connect with cacao . And there's so many different , uh, uh, collaboration of facilitator that they offering cacao and sound , cacao and ecstatic dance, cacao and sound journey , um, cacao energy healing or acupuncture. There's so many different , uh, cacao waving collaboration right now. And the main reason for me, what I received from the medicine is like, because CACA is here to opening the heart , the , all the, the heart of , uh, uh, humanity and , uh, allow them to reconnect with the heart of the her and , um, and reconnect with Mother Nature. This is why CACA is a very powerful medicine for all humanity, to reconnect with them heart space , and , uh, and it's great that , uh, there is , uh, so many, for me, it's like I see as a , a great way to share this medicine with , uh, everyone. And everyone can feel like different , uh, uh, connection with it and want to connect with this medicine different ways. Uh , it is all about healing the heart space and , uh, and reconnect with mother nature, reconnect with them , uh, uh, childlike joy and , uh, you know, reconnect with those parts of , uh, ourself that are a bit , uh, lost. Uh , uh, because many reason, and this is , uh, why people , uh, usually they, they come to see me. They really want to shift , uh, those energy and , uh, allow themself to, to, to shift their , the energy around them hard space.

Speaker 1:

Mm . Because I remember now why I booked it was because I was having some clearing , um, through my father lineage, so through the masculine lineage. And , uh, and I remember just like really wanting to have a man come in and step in and, and help clear that energy. And it did. That's what, that's what came up. And it really did. And the other thing that I wanted to mention was you actually hold the space for a lot of people. I'm finding like you're being very humble at the moment, but you hold the space for a lot of people I see online. Like how did you get to the point where you could hold ceremony for so many different people at one time ?

Speaker 2:

Well, it's , it's been like a real journey for me as well, because I started with myself to , when I started, I was like, I don't feel that , uh, I will hold the space for other people. You know, I wanted to hold space for myself. And I sit with that , uh, feeling for couple of years. You know, it's not like, oh yeah, cacao, cacao is very popular, and this is a way to, no , for me, it was like, I need to hold space for myself. I need to heal myself. And cacao is a powerful tool for me to do that and allow me to, to connect deeper with my heart space and their heart consciousness. And this is how it started . And then came through that a friend, she know that I want, I was really connected with cacao, and she was like, oh, let's, and she was drinking caca by herself, and she was like, ah , we like to drink a cow with juice . So we drink a cow together, and for a while we drink a cacao just like we have cacao together. I wasn't holding space for , we were like just having a ceremony together and playing music and having cacao and just sit there meditating and play different instruments. And this is what happened for a , for a while. And I want to , at one point, I just felt the call , I wanted to hold space for her. So I asked her, do you want, do you feel safe if, and you would like to be held for me? Like, I just felt like the medicine was calling me to old space for her. And she was like, yeah, I , we'd love to. So I start to hold space for this friend. And from that came like , uh, another group of friends. So we start to journey together, and I start to hold space for them until , uh, um, one day I was feeling like that , uh, I did like , um, caca facilitator course with , uh, my main , uh, human teacher, or I call her like , uh, Renee . And , and also in that course I was like, this is like the course , uh, for me not to hold space for others. I didn't know that I was , uh, really already stepping into that role because for me it was just a friend , a couple of friends, you know. Uh , but I did this course because I want to learn more how to connect with the medicine, how to connect with the elements and shamanic practices, because I was feeling really drawn to. And so I did this course, and after this , uh, this course , uh, I, I was sitting still with myself and a couple of friends until I , this course was in January, and at the end of the year, this was two years ago , um, a dear brother , uh, Frankie, which , uh, is , uh, many things. But , uh, the main thing that I was connected with him was because of shamanic breath work journey, was a shamanic breath facilitator. And I start to journey with him. And at one point , uh, he asked me, ah , you, you serve caca , you journey with cacao with yourself, and also you did a course, you are CACA facilitator, because this was like the, the label . You know, I , because I did that course, and it was like, yeah, I, I did that course, and I, I feel that the medicine is pulling me to start to serve more people, but I was asking actually the universe, God and higher energy to show me up the path, you know, because I was like my, I was playing myself really small, and I didn't want to step into that role because I was afraid as, as a , as a human. And , uh, and Frankie came to me and he was like , uh, let's hold the space together. I, let's do a ceremony where you, you serve a cow , and I bring people into Shamanic jo . Uh , shamanic , um, bread took journey, and we play music. And , uh, and I was like, and I say straight away , I said, yes. I was really afraid to do that because , uh, for many reason I was like, I don't know if I can do it. You know, my mind was playing myself really small, but straight away I say, yes, this is the universe. Because I was asking for a few months, and the universe just sent me Frankie to ask me this question. I was like, I take it. I don't know if I'm ready. I , I don't know. But I feel that this is my time to sit with another facilitator there as is very experienced and the , all the health space for many people before. And I felt safe in this space. So I was like, this is my time to actually start. And I start was , uh, was , uh, December of two years ago. And , uh, and there were 25 people at that ceremony. And I was like super nervous. And , uh, I was , uh, I was , uh, yeah, I was very nervous . Didn't know if, how could I hold space for all these people? But then has happened all the time that I feel like nervous , even like before this podcast today when I drink a cow and I connect with the energy of the medicine and my heart wisdoms and the other souls that are there ready to journey with me and with themselves , I just let go of those fears and I just serve the medicine and I just channel whatever is coming through after drinking the first sip of cacao, you know, after opening the space. And yeah, this is how it started actually. This is , uh, was my first time. And then after that other collaboration started , uh, uh, more with Frankie and , uh, other facilitators like , uh, um, uh, sound healer or like with my partner Jasmine , uh, that she's guiding meditation, she's channel meditation and yeah, and different journey or my own ceremonies where I , uh, is a cacao and , uh, shaman , drum journeys and sound and reiki energy healing is , are waving of all the tools that have been gathering in this , uh, uh, in the last years and gathering also <inaudible> , I would say. So all this space for , uh, to come back to your question, like all this space for , uh, many people be between like 10 to 25. It happened 30 in the past. It is something that , uh, I've been working not, I didn't start, like from day one, it was like a building up, and now I feel comfortable all space for more people because I know how to connect with the medicine, connect with the higher energy and all the elements, and don't , uh, allow the energy of the space to, to, to drain me as well. You know? Uh , at the beginning I didn't know this tools , uh, after all this space , uh, the first like five or six ceremonies, I was really feel like drain and pirate and also physically in my body because I, I was still working the way to really channel the energy, the energy from the medicine of caca and the medicine from , uh, the Divines channeling instead of like channeling my own energy. All was all like a part of learning for me. And , um, and also everything that I've been learning is , uh, like I need to learn. Uh , I , I can't really read a book that , uh, show me the way or I can do a course, but then I need to experience on myself. So this is why it's , it is been like a very slow, slow brewing journey.

Speaker 1:

So would you say you've held the space for hundreds of people

Speaker 2:

In these years ? Uh , yeah. I think , uh, it came to like 200 and something. Yeah.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, Yeah. That's a lot. That's a lot. And I could feel that when I was in my journey. That's why you could hold such a strong space, because I feel like if you're a healer and you've only just started, you haven't been on that journey, you know, that you just spoke about , um, even if you've done 10 or 20 <laugh> or 20 healings, you still haven't been through that journey. You can really feel the difference between someone who's experienced holding space and someone who's, who's just beginning. Um, and you had to like really walk the path and, and go through certain things to get to that point where you can, when you , where you can hold these beautiful ceremonies for so many different people. I know you held a recent one with Jasmine. Can you tell me a bit more about that one? Was it, was it , uh, it was like a Twin Souls one or Sacred Union?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, we call it , uh, sacred Union. It was around , uh, uh, Valentine Day. Mm-Hmm, <affirmative> . And it also was , uh, uh, the day of , uh, our month anniversary because every month we celebrate , uh, on the 10th we celebrate , uh, our union as a couple. So we felt like that around the Valenti Day. We wanted to hold space for souls, for hearts that they want to, they are like in a couple, in a romantic relationship, or they want to call in , uh, the right partner for them, or they want to reconnect with this , uh, sacred union within the set , within them heart . So yeah, we call it the Sacred Union, and , uh, was a really, really beautiful journey , uh, within the heart and , uh, really , uh, allow all the people that were their journey with us to, to journey into feeling safe , uh, in them heart space and feeling safe to feel , uh, love and to be held in , uh, in a loving and safe space. And then , uh, yeah, Jasmine , she, she channeled the meditation, which , uh, means that she connect with the energy. It's not something that she prepared beforehand , but she connect with the , the energy of the space, the other people , uh, that are the journey with us. And , uh, she guide , uh, a journey , guide people into a journey that she, she say things that specific , uh, words or , uh, allow them to connect with specific energy that they need to receive in that , uh, moment and , uh, create , uh, healing from that. And so I start with cacao as , uh, usually in my cinema there is always , uh, the cacao component. And then there was some drumming, there was some , uh, we always playing a lot of my Tibetan ball , which is I just recently connected with, and I love the sound of it. So I've been like going around and clearing energy with the ball on top of the body of , uh, the people journey with us. And Jeremy was, was guiding them into meditation. It was really lovely, really deep , uh, healing for, for us, for , uh, for all the people they came. And yeah, every time is different, the collaboration that , uh, I do and , uh, with Jasmine , of course is like , uh, deeper for me because , uh, she's my partner in , uh, life in , uh, love and in , uh, in this lifetime and in a previous life as well. So yeah, our ceremonies are very connected and there is this sense of , uh, deeper love and nurturing, nurturing, healing love.

Speaker 1:

So where can people find you and book in for your services?

Speaker 2:

So people can find me , uh, online. My, my soul business name is Elemental <inaudible> , and , uh, they can find me on Facebook or Instagram. Instagram is where I'm more active. Also, I recently , um, create a website , uh, with a friend of mine. She, she created a website in my vision , which is called , uh, elemental love lawa.com . And people, yeah, they can find me there in the website. They are more in , uh, there , they're written all the offerings that I am , uh, holding right now in more depth. So people, they can just look in into the website and just book straight away if they want to do like a , a cow ceremony or like, I have another offering is called Alchemy of Love , which is like reiki energy healing and cacao , which is, is not , is not a really deep caca , ceremony's , more like a reiki energy healing . But as I was saying in all the podcasts, like CACA is my main medicine , so I use it all the time in my offering. And is this is , uh, how I allow people to connect with me. I connect with them and we connect with our hearts and they heart of the hurt . And the other offering is a shamanic vibration I call it, which , uh, is like a sound healing, but , uh, a more , uh, uh, ly sounds , uh, like with the Drum and the <inaudible> and I , I have a lot of instrument creator like sound of the Earth , more than like a sound here where there is just a crystal ball and is very energetic . It's more like a sound healing from the earth. I would say. This is why I call it shamanic vibrations, because reminds me all the shamanic journeys that I've sited with myself with plant medicine journeys that I've , I , I received from other facilitator and from shamans and uh , yeah. So people can find me there on the website, on socials and they can book my services. Yeah.

Speaker 1:

Beautiful. Well, thank you so much for coming on the podcast.

Speaker 2:

No , thank you for having me. And , uh, it's beautiful to be here and share and connect with you.