Episode 5 Cartoons!

Jem Bible
https://jem.fandom.com/wiki/Jem_Bible

Limp Lizards
https://jem.fandom.com/wiki/Limp_Lizards

Leatherettes
https://fakebands.com/wiki/index.php?title=The_Leatherettes

The Space Cadets
https://fakebands.com/wiki/index.php?title=The_Space_Cadets

Mary Sue
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Stock Characters

The purpose of a stock character is to move the story along by allowing the audience to engage with the type of character they're already familiar with.

Britta Phillips Tour Dates
https://www.songkick.com/artists/412940-dean-and-britta

Jem Board game with cassette
http://totallyjem.jemmagic.com/jemlicensedgames.html

Jem Rockin Roadster
https://youtu.be/gKqLIM9kreM

Thunder Cats School Kit
https://thundercats-ho.fandom.com/wiki/ThunderCats_School_Kit

Latest Thundercats Movie Trailer
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Flintstones Cigarette Commercial
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NAExoSozc2c
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BVRO6GAfvzA

The Many Lives of Dobie Gillis
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0052490/

“That’s just too much!”
https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/that%27s+just+too+much

Wayne’s World Scooby Doo Ending
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld7mo_r9PD8

Casey Kaseem at the Max on Saved By the Bell
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rP_0x9vBgzM

Scooby Doo Chuck Taylors
https://www.google.com/search?q=scooby+doo+chuck+taylors&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari

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Transcript

Ashley: 0:00

Hey guys it's me. Ashley.

Aaron: 0:06

welcome to nostalgic

Garret: 0:19

we hired Garrett on full time. The pay is awesome. The benefits are great. oh my God. He can quit the forklift business and join us bawling out at this site.

Ashley: 0:29

It does sound good to hear you. We missed you. You were so far away.

Garret: 0:33

It sounded like I was in a fish bowl. Last time you played it for me, I was like, oh my God, I've got to get a mic. These people are going to be like, he needs to go. It sounded fine on my end, except for just, it was like, hello, hello,

Ashley: 0:45

I felt like the jokes landed. You really round us out. I'm glad that you're back. So we're going to talk about Saturday morning cartoon. We actually thought we were going to cover a lot more ground with the Saturday morning cartoons. We had a long list. And then once we started doing our research, we were like, Nope, we can cover one cartoon.

Aaron: 1:04

Yeah. There's so much to these shows that you'd never realized and actually never really think about, but there's a lot,

Ashley: 1:09

I think it would be doing people with disservice too, to to just go high level. We went into, some fun facts and theories. Oh, all the things that you need to know about these cartoons. And we did want to put out spoiler alert. Jim came out in 1985, but if you have not watched it, this would be a good time. Thundercats will also be covering and Scooby-Doo.

Aaron: 1:30

Yeah. If you don't know that the villain is this some old white man at the end of, uh, uh, I'm sorry. I apologize.

Ashley: 1:37

So this episode, and we are going to do a series of Saturday morning cartoons because there was such a good list. we definitely have teenage mutant ninja turtles Smurfs, GI Joe, and Humana.

Garret: 1:49

So if you have any suggestions, you can contact us through our email and on all major social media sites. shameless plug that wasn't forced in there in any way.

Ashley: 2:02

We just talked about it. So you were like, okay. I'm going to get into it. we're going to talk about Jim first and then I'm pulling an Aaron I brought toys with me, you can't see them, but I actually have the misfits dolls. I had all of them at one point, but these were my favorite characters and we'll talk about, and, I kept them and I have a naked one with one hand.

Garret: 2:23

Oh my gosh,

Ashley: 2:25

I know this is that kind of podcasts. We are very, all right on Jim, I have gym tattoos on my feet, so, clearly Jim was my jam. Issue came out in 1985 the cartoon was actually, an advertisement for. the dolls came out before the cartoon Hasbro put out these dolls and then hired, her name is Kristy marks and she did a lot of writing on GI Joe and on transformers. And they were very successful. So they're like, Hey, can you make a backstory for these dolls? And that's how Jim got started. the dolls got released later were released because of the cartoon. And I was watching interviews with Christie marks and she made a little jab about how she didn't make any money off of them. She's like, oh, I created the story around the dolls. Then my characters got made into dolls later and she's like, I haven't seen any kickbacks from that. So I was like horrible. They were really to, compete with Barbie because Barbie was so successful that they were like, we're going to come out with our own dolls

Garret: 3:16

I can see that.

Ashley: 3:17

Yeah, size wise. They're a little bit bigger than Barbie if you've ever tried to play with both, which I totally did gem dolls. They're about two feet in Barbie inches taller. And I always thought that was cooler. To be honest with you, and they have really cool outfits, but, another major thing when jam came out was it was the only girls cartoon It was seven minutes segments in between the boys cartoon. So I was watching the DVDs. There's an ending. It is like a mega cliffhanger. they're falling off a cliff and then it ends. and that's to keep you coming back in between the cartoons. because I'm only getting a seven minute segment then once it became more popular, They married those together to make the full episodes. And Christy was saying they had to do filler stuff in there. So there's scenes that don't fit. Or if they reuse music, videos is because they were short on time and I'll fill it in.

Aaron: 4:03

I noticed too, when I watched a couple episodes, when they went to commercial break, it was like, this is Jim, we'll be right back. You know? And then when it came back, I forgot all about that. I did too. I was actually like, is this super annoying? Because when you're watching it as a full episode, it's still showing the commercial breaks and at every commercial break it goes and we'll be right back with Jim. And then it's like, and now you're watching Jim and you're watching an episode, you see this like four times. And you're like, dude, but I forgot that a lot of cartoons did that when we were younger,

Ashley: 4:30

So on the DVDs, they had all of the PSA's for gym and I was like, we're going to do a PSA episode because some of them, it went from being kidnapped to picking up a power line to riding bike on the wrong side of the road.

Aaron: 4:44

did they have any kind of catchphrase, like the GI Joe ones? Like knowing's half the battle or now, you know?

Ashley: 4:50

Yeah. Jim's is, and that makes you a superstar we have got to do an episode on these. They were great. So I have, there were three seasons in gym. 1985 is when it came out in 1988. and like we talked about, it was all boys cartoons they had Shira, but she was a spinoff from He-Man and she was a superhero, and., you know, you had rainbow bright, but same thing. I was trying to think of other girls cartoons. Like you have Carebears you had hug, a bunch of, but they were all really young. So if you don't know the premise of Jim, the big thing was,, romance, fashion and music. in a theme song. It is glamor, glitter, fashion and fame that is Jim's life.

Garret: 5:28

Yeah. Like is super metal,

Ashley: 5:29

Oh yeah. Just some of the little fun quirks in it, they always use, punk rockers as the bad guys. Anytime there was like a riot, it was skinheads coming in. I was watching what do you call it? Where they talk along with it? And Christy marks is like, I have no idea why that guy's dressed like a pirate.

Garret: 5:44

I just have a random pirate, but I remember what talking about. It's always, the guy would the real big purple Mohawk

Ashley: 5:55

leather jacket. Yes. One of them they're not wearing shoes or they'll have a shirt on it. I just thought that was really funny. That was always punk rockers. So when you watched it. The animation was done in Japan. It's not full on Japan animation, but you can definitely see just by the fashion and I don't know the way they use the kind of point of edges and facial expressions that it definitely has Japanese qualities, but not like you're how it's moving castle or whatever, some of it was done in South Korea too.

Garret: 6:19

it's actually like cartoon.

Ashley: 6:20

Yeah. It's not animated but you can see the style a little bit when you watch it. I'm going to go into the premise of Jim if you've never watched it. on the back of the DVD, it says after her father passes away, Jerrick inherits, half of his company, Starlight music, the other half has been given to Eric, Raymond, Raymond exploits, the company to promote a band called the misfits. Jerica doesn't believe that this was her father's plan and she is powerless to do anything about it. That is until a remarkable computer companion synergy enters her life. So the premise of Jim is there is a girl named Jerica her father dies. she inherits his music company, but he also has a home for, orphan girls that she's also running. So that's kind of a weird, and the house is like falling apart. so she finds out that her dad's partner is gonna, run the company, however he wants and she's not having it. And then she gets these earrings in the mail and she finds out that her father has built her a computer that helps or with holograms and stuff. the plan was to only use synergy one time as jam. So when this music competition from Eric and then of course she ends up being Jim forever. The thing about Jerrick and Jim is nobody knows that they're the same person sent them. Well, not nobody. The band knows it is kind of like Superman, the only thing is different. Yeah. Or clothing or hair color. Right. Like isn't everything else. No, she's super a different person. Jerica is kinda like really nice and plain, and that's the other part of it is Jerica gets to be a rock star. So, yes. The band knows. they all find out together about synergy. They automatically turn into the band right there and synergy can change the way they look and she puts clothes on them. So even some of the band members are synergies creation. They're not like that cool in real life.

Garret: 8:13

one of my notes that I have down here is because I watched the first couple of episodes and it was when synergy shows up, nobody really questioned the ghost of rock and roll past because he just kinda pops in and you know,

Ashley: 8:24

I know, she's just what's on her earrings. And she's like, oh, here I am. And they're like,

Garret: 8:28

they don't, She tells them to draw through this wall for the secret layer. And they're just like, okay,

Ashley: 8:36

next weekend. She said, I have a hunch. I'm like the hunches someone told you to drive through the wall. turns around and takes her to rehab. the other thing I did notice when I rewatched it was, the first thing that synergy says is from labyrinths. She says things aren't always what they appear. And I was just like, oh my God,

Garret: 9:01

Equated

Ashley: 9:01

those two things together. I'm like, I hear labyrinth in everything basically. I'm like, did they say that labyrinth? Or like he said, like, okay. Team gem is gem and the holograms. You have Jerica who is Jim, and then you have her sister Kimber who plays the Kitara. I think she plays a bunch of everything. Then you have Asha who is, Jim Jericho. Well, I guess both their best friend. And then you have Shayna, who's the drummer and they got good representation. Asha is Asian and Shana is black with purple hair. And she's amazing. Then later they bring in Carmen, his name is Raya and she is Hispanic. So they really rounded it out. And then with the Starlight girls, they just have really good representation, which I thought was good for the eighties. Like I was like, that's awesome. Christie marks was saying that she really wanted Asha to have, martial arts background, but they were fighting in the studio cause they want it to be really glamorous. So every now and then you'll see her bust out a move on somebody and be like, Hey yeah. and you get a little glimpse of it, but they never say it. There was a whole Bible, they called it the Jim Bible and you got to see snippets of it in the special features of the. And the, her backgrounds are, you don't even get half of the story. And most of this, Asha was actually an orphan herself. And she grew up in the, Starlight mansion where she actually became part of the family But you don't get any of that. You just see that they're best friends and they know each other really well. I was like, man, that's sad. You can get them there, but it's neat knowing So then the antagonists are the misfits. and I put team misfits not to be mistaken with the dancing band because I get that all the time. When people see my tattoo on my feet, they're like, oh, I love the misfits. I'm like, it's not, I like dancing. but that's not what it is, the misfits entrance was one of things I was telling you about where they had to add it later. And it is a very strange entrance. Jerica goes up to the Starlight music to confront Raymond about what he's going to do with the company, because she needs money because the orphanage is falling apart. And he's like, well, I'm going to promote bands like the misfits and all of a sudden, the misfits come in the door and they're on guitar shaped motorcycles. And they were just riding around the room.

Garret: 11:08

yeah. So the door, bust open and they're on these huge motorcycles shaped like guitars and possess.

Ashley: 11:18

it's that slow interest, and their name comes up but I just was sitting there like, how did they know Jericho was coming? How did they get the motorcycles to the top? you know, all those things as an adult, you're like, this does it mean? And

Garret: 11:32

they busted in, they introduced themselves and they instantly went into song, and then I thought it was cool was like they, when they go into a song and they do like the music video, they have like the name of the song and who was fired, you

Ashley: 11:44

know, in the music section is one of the things that nobody was doing at the time that made them so popular because MTV was so popular is they do music videos they move the storyline along, but it's, they're kind of random. It is like literally watching a music video. You're like, okay. And then they go right back to the storyline and it just was something that nobody was doing. One of the cool things is, The voice actors and the speaking actors are all different yeah. So none of them are the same. They are the same. All the voices were done in California. All of the music was done in New York. They never even met each other. She would send a thing saying, this is the premise of the story. This is what I want to convey. They would send back a tape. That's exactly how it worked. They never, they never crossed paths, which is what

Garret: 12:32

it's crazy, how they can film stuff. So separate and then like edit it together. And it's like, you would not have known unless you told

Ashley: 12:38

me it's crazy to me to be a big part of something and be like, oh yeah, we work on Jim, but we've never met each other. You know, like some things are successful and I don't know if any other cartoons have done that, maybe just with the music. But, so I thought that was really cool. One of the other funny things to me was character wise, everybody obviously has their own personalities, but since the misfits are my favorite, I think theirs are like, need to go into a little more detail. So pazazz is a spoiled rich girl. She runs the misfits and then you have Roxy. Who's just her little sidekick who they just together get in trouble. Then you have Stormer. Who's actually really nice. And doesn't like to get into trouble. And she's always trying to be the voice of reason of like, do you really think? and they're mean they've definitely. And the episodes I watched they called somebody a jerk, a pig face and trash. And I was like, dang, these misfits so, but I did want to point out that possess his real name is Phyllis, which is my grandma's name

Garret: 13:29

name, but it's not like,

Ashley: 13:32

it's not like, Hey, I'm a bad ass. My name is Phyllis. I'm the never of a punk rock band, you know? So I thought that was funny. And then the, her sidekick Roxie always uses it, like when she wants to get on her nerves. So she'll be like, okay, whatever, Phyllis, she doesn't want to know that. One of the cool things too was, we know all the first names of the characters, but their last names were actually a nod to scientists at the time who were working on holographic science So, it was a nod to science. I had written down their names and now I can't find it, but Yeah. So I thought that was really neat. That was pretty

Garret: 14:06

cool. Now we have Tupac holograms and Michael Jackson do they've come so

Ashley: 14:11

far. Oh man. Those concerts were like the, when they did like prince and he was, that was weird. so, Let me think of what else I want to, because I don't know that bringing the other characters in is going to bring much to the table. some of the repeating henchmen are really funny because their names are one of the guys is his zipper and the other guy is tech rat. And those are the two you're going to see. I

Garret: 14:33

can picture it in my head. Just like

Ashley: 14:35

the name, Eric Rainman needs some dirty work done he's of course not going to do it himself. So he has a guy named tech rat. That's always messing with Jim's technology, even though he doesn't even know she's a hologram, but it would be like her. And it always gets them in trouble by, I think it was in the second episode, zipper breaks in Jim's house and starts a fire and burns down the orphanage. And so they ended

Garret: 14:56

up yeah, like the, futuristic

Ashley: 14:58

sunglasses on like, like down the house. And then tech rat he has the shaved side head and the comb-over And then you picture like the eighties blazer. And then of course it's always a bunch of punk rockers just hanging out. yeah, because

Garret: 15:17

they're just waiting for a fight.

Ashley: 15:19

They just want to write that's all.

Garret: 15:21

Are you guys riding right now? Cause we'll probably come in and

Ashley: 15:24

out. Yeah. Right now they would just have like their own Facebook page. You're going to be riding on, you know, probably something even newer than that, but I don't do so. A couple of other reoccurring characters, they have Lindsay Pierce. Who's a VJ and she's almost in every episode, pretty much anytime Jim and them are on TV, she's going to be there interviewing them. And there was a girl named video who does all their music videos and stuff like that. And in the third season they actually brought in, it was a German band called the stingers and they're not good, but they're not bad. Like, they're kind of just another band that's competing with them, but it's just funny. Cause they all are. Bleach blonde Germans. And they're very just, I don't know. I just thought that was, I'm like, that's a choice.

Garret: 16:05

noticed that like, in the first episode, when they had the battle of the bands or whatever, that the misses were supposed to win, they brought in some bands that were like, not good. Like you weren't supposed to move in. And they had names like the limp lizards and like just weird names.

Ashley: 16:19

Yeah, in the very first episode, the whole reason she becomes Jim is because, Eric, Raymond is throwing on a music competition and he sets it up to where the misfits are gonna win. And Jim shows up and it's like, but what about this band? And of course that starts the whole rivalry, but yeah, they picked really bad bands. Christy marks was saying that those other bands have their own Facebook pages and fan base. And they were not good, but I don't even know. You have to watch episode one, but yes. Was one of them. I remember that the lamp lizards, for sure. I can't remember the other ones either, but yeah, they weren't supposed to wit you know, the misfits were supposed to win the competition. The other part that's really funny about that is there's a guy named Howard sands who shows up in a lot of episodes and he's a music executive, and he happens to be at this battle of the bands. He's like, whoever wins, I happen to have this mansion that you would win. And it's like, oh, the Starlight mansion, just burned down. And all of a sudden he just happened to be like

Garret: 17:15

It shows I'm rocking out. And then it shows like these three business types, watching and just checking it out. And at the end, it's like, I really liked what I saw, the winner, this gets, instant contract, a video deal. And this mansion,

Ashley: 17:28

that's like real life. I know. And he just shows up all the time when it's very convenient, to show up.

Garret: 17:34

Yeah. They call that when you have character that always is never always does something right. for the plot Mary Sue or something. Have you heard that before? Yeah. It's a character that basically can do no wrong or it's the mold of

Ashley: 17:47

what. This story along, you mean? Or

Garret: 17:52

It just, it solves the problem for whatever is the plot. So if an asteroid's coming, then they turn into Superman or they're like, oh, the asteroids can be moved or, or

Ashley: 18:01

whatever. Well, I feel like I can't remember what we were watching, but I remember saying that to Dustin, I was like, the only purpose of this person is to move the story along. There is no reason for them to even be in the show. It was just like, oh, we need some conflict. So let's have, so-and-so do something stupid. And you're like, why are you here? Like you don't. And I can't remember what that was, uh, anyway. okay. So as far as actors go, you might recognize some of them, they did voice work, but if you looked at IMDV, you wouldn't say oh, I know them from such and such. Samantha Newark, did the voice of Jim and Jerrica and despite being a singer. And when she was young, she was actually a singer in Africa, which I thought was a little strange, but, she was never auditioned for singing part. They did voices songs. So, she actually put out a country, Western album and she was eight years old. And she's originally from England and moved to Africa. Yeah, she was singing. she started singing it like state fairs and benefits when she was younger and then got cast as the voice later, but never saying, but she still in Nashville, she still has a website. She's still selling stuff. Her and, the person who played pazazz were friends up until 2020, and then pazazz passed away, which is the one I was talking about earlier.

Garret: 19:08

Oh, like what happened? Like what kind of beef happened? I thought something bad like that, a falling out,

Ashley: 19:17

I guess that's one way. we did talk about one of the cool things being the music each episode had at least three songs

Garret: 19:28

I do remember it being like a music video,, because they had the lasers and the lights and you wanted to jump into your TV and like go there and hang out with them. well, I kind of wanted to hang out with the misfits, the really, really nice, cute one because what the harass people is. Yeah. it was just so iconic they really made you feel. You were almost a part of a music video. Just watch

Aaron: 19:52

what I thought was funny. It was like, and winning is everything. And then it was like,

Ashley: 20:01

it? Isn't how you play the game. that was one of the big things is that they definitely try to make it musically different. The misfits are more like this, talkie, punk rock thing. And the gym of course is always singing about good things. But in the videos, it's always like when they're coming to a head and then it's showing them dropping Jim off a cliff, you know, like,

Garret: 20:21

yeah, like they put, like she was in a banana split. she was the banana, in the split one time. And they, it was just like, what the hell is going on

Ashley: 20:29

here? You were exaggerated. it was well thought out. I thought it was funny.

Garret: 20:33

As a guy, I remember they were like, why are you watching that? I was like, It was the story. I thought it was really good. Well, I mean, I was 5, 6, 7, 8, whenever I was watching it. you only have an attention span of whatever, but I,, always thought the stories were really good.

Ashley: 20:46

that's one thing about the writer having. Her hand in GI, Joe and transformers is, she said, I don't want to not write action. And so she actually made a point to really make it action packed and conflict because she's like, I don't want them to just be playing music. Like I want them to be battling it out. So it was very successful because of that. one of the things I noticed too, when I watched the first episode, I had a theme song in my head of Jim. And then when I watched the first episode, I was like, oh my gosh, there were two theme song. So this one is like, me and my friends are jam girls. Jim, Jim is my name. And the one that I remember was Jim, Jim is outraged. So I'm thinking maybe that was the third season because I didn't watch the third season, but I watched a lot of the beginnings of the first two, because I was like, when did the other one come in?

Garret: 21:32

I don't remember that first one.

Aaron: 21:34

I thought I was crazy. Cause I remember it being something different, but when it came on here, I was like, well, maybe I just was wrong. And it had been notice. He said, once you're a gym girl, you'll never be the same. I'm like, well, okay. I still have that, that it's, that plays up here, like

Ashley: 21:55

telling you when it came on. I was singing to all the songs. Even the, random songs. They, tried to do some episodes where they made the Starlight girls seeing, like they made their own music videos and they're not musicians. And I was even seen in those songs I don't want to get too far into the Starlight girls. There's one, who's like a little Asian girl. And her name is Bo ne. And it was actually named after somebody that the writer knew. But her dad was a soldier. She's an orphan. and he was in Vietnam and hooked up with the mom. And the mom told her Bonnie before she got into the orphanage that her dad had red hair. So every guy she sees with red hair, she's like, she's like 13. Like there's a musician. And he's like, I'm not your father. And the video is actually really sad because it is about her dad, but, I even knew those videos. And I was like, oh,

Garret: 22:50

that's crazy. I'm not surprised that. You remember that. Cause we were that young, our brains are still developing. So those are like the foundational walls. You remember gen before math,

Ashley: 23:01

I mean, it would be nice to know something a little more useful. I'm using it now. So I guess if we really went full circle short. okay. So the other thing is there was never a soundtrack that was released for gym, when they sold the dolls, they gave out tapes each all had their own tape, so they would have the gym thing song on it. And then two songs that were to the character. So if it was Kimber, it would have, I don't know. I mean, she never sang, but something with maybe a major Kimber episode. And the other thing is the game had a tape with it. And I remember listening to the game tape a lot. so It had cut up songs on one side because that was part of the game, but the other side had full songs on it. I remember jamming out, but yeah, it reached platinum, I think but only because of these tapes, not because of, you know, not released on a CD or anything, The theme song reached triple platinum sales status.

Garret: 23:50

that's not a dollar was being so old. You could only get the tapes through

Ashley: 23:53

those. I know that's what I was thinking too. It was said I'm more than 3 million dolls were sold between 86 and 87. I did have the Roadster at one point, the Roadster had an FM radio in the trunk, a working FM radio. So you had the big Roadster and then you could lift it and out of the Lantana and you could listen to music in it. I'm just saying Lassie. Jim is Latin. Yeah, dude, that seems awesome. Now, even though I was like, I want to get one, just to see what it picks. Okay. So I'm getting into odd facts now. one of the major plot points that you have to talk about with Jim and, Jerrica is that they they're not dating the same guy, but they're kind of dating the same guy. And this is one of those points where he doesn't know. So it was so weird. it begs the question is. Because technically he does. He thinks Jim is a different person. So like he knows that it's not Jerrica, but Jerrica is in there. So really he's so in love with Jericho that he loves her, no matter what form she's in. So really it could be an epic love story.

Garret: 24:58

That is something that's like. Yeah.

Ashley: 25:01

Yeah. Okay. And so there, they try to cover, why Jerica doesn't tell Rio, because that's the thing again, in the Jim Bible, it talks about Rio's background and Rio comes from a very abusive background and he does not like to be lied to. So they have him have these few kind of episodes where you're like, uh, he might be a little bit psychotic or really mad. he's the nicest guy. He's like, I will do anything for you. And he shows up all the time and then all of a sudden he'll be like, I don't like liars and you should die. You know? And you're like, oh my gosh, like that was,

Garret: 25:35

but isn't he lying by dating two women like dating them? Or is he just in love with both

Ashley: 25:43

of them? He has feelings for Jim. And he will always run to her and come to her rescue, but he's not like they're never seen in public. Like this is Jim's boyfriend, but Jerrica knows. I mean, cause she's the way that they cover it, because he never finds out, is the one time she goes to try to tell her. It shows a thing where Kimber, the younger sister is dating two guys and she gets caught and his response, like Jericho's literally saying, there's something I've been wanting to tell you. And then this scuffle happens between these two dates and Rio like flips out and he's like, I hate liars and you got what you deserved, you know what I mean? And so Derek was like, okay. Yeah, I can't tell him because I've been minding the book. I know I'm going to lose him. And that's how they cover him. Never knowing that she's Jim and Jericho, so we

Garret: 26:28

cover spoiler alert. So does she ever completely go to one or the other?

Ashley: 26:32

oh, that's a good question. I don't think so. I'll talk about the ending later, but I think it's just, she's going to be both. Yeah. Which is a, it's a really good, that's a very insightful, deep question here. And I really liked where you're going with that.

Garret: 26:47

That's why you guys have me on here.

Ashley: 26:48

deep

Garret: 26:48

thoughts with Erin. That's another podcast, bro.

Ashley: 26:56

Um, one of the fun facts is that Jim was actually going to be called Misty. the doll's name was Misty, and then they were just going to make the cartoon Misty and they shortened it to em, because I guess they didn't like Missy. Then they realized that they couldn't copyright the letter of the alphabet. So M so they just changed it to Jim. So that's how Jim came about The dolls actually all had different names. And so Christie was talking about in the, the Jim Bible. You might see the other names instead, because they didn't get changed until later. So like Kimber's name was Morgan. they, they switched a lot. Roxie was Rue, Stormer was Roxy. Like it was all confusing. when they wrote it, it was, just one of those things where I can't imagine it being called Misty though,. Do you guys ever do like yeah. I don't know if I could talk about that, but I was going to say, you know, we're talking about having kids soon and I have to go through names and I really associate names with people that I knew. And I'm like, oh no, I knew a Misty. I can't, I can't have a miss, you know? Like, and so I just want to have other people, like, I don't know if I don't like the name Missy, cause it sounds like a stripper or I dunno if I don't like it, we go through

Garret: 27:58

all the scenarios of like, does that rhyme with anything? It could be made fun of. Yeah.

Ashley: 28:05

You know, I'm like, yeah, I definitely do that. And then I always have to put our last name on it. Cause I can't. like Dustin was joking and saying, cause our last name is a micro to cholera and a mammogram or whatever, where you can spell it either way. And it's the same. So he was like, what if we need your Hannah and Hannah? And it'd be a full Hannah, Anna Hannah

Garret: 28:25

it's brought with you for real. But

Ashley: 28:28

I always say it can't end with an up, cause you can't have Anna Hanna or I can't think of name now. AZA Hannah. I don't know. I have a thing with that. Like it can't be, uh, so anyway, I'm wondering if other people do that with names. Like I'm like now I knew a Missy once. you can't be Misty. It's not. Yeah. And then there's

Garret: 28:45

names that are like, you can't name like Karen, you can't do it anymore. The Corona mommy. Nobody wants to play with me.

Ashley: 29:06

Right? Because you're cursed. Okay. So I didn't want to get too far into episodes, but first I do want to say one thing is that even though synergy had a lot of power. The writer has actually said, it's still had to be kind of magic. Obviously it wasn't science. So they were like, okay, she is a holographic thing, but she's going to have to be able to do things that a holograph would be able to do, but they still tried to keep parameters around it, which I thought was neat. So,

Garret: 29:30

It was good though. Cause if it does everything then it takes some of the possess away, But if it has parameters, it keeps it realistic. Ish within the context of the show.

Ashley: 29:39

Exactly. No, you put that exactly right. And that's how she said it was. Yes, it is unbelievable. But what I think of that is when you think of, time travel movies are more, they can just almost do anything. I always thought that with heroes where it's like, they could really erase this whole timeline if they want it to take it so far, and that's what they didn't want with synergies. Like, do we want her to be able to do stuff, but we also want there to be parameters around it. So one of the things I didn't say, which is really important is Jericho wears earrings that, activate synergy and the way she does that is by touching her earring, she'll say Showtime synergy. And she'll ask her to do like a holograph or a diversion or whatever. And then the way she stops it, as you said, shows over synergy. And so she can do that from anywhere, even though the master computer is by the Starlight mansion. You know? So even that alone obviously is weird, but the parameters were. She can't go through solid walls or objects. So if she's doing a holograph and a van pulls in front of it, the holograph is going to show on the side of the van and not go through the van, stuff like that, they kept in mind. They kept singing noises and voices really simple. So if they were like, Hey, be Rio and Rio would shout Jim, come over here. It would just be a voice she couldn't be like a full band and have oh, these techie sounds so it was very basic there. And then they even put she can project as many as 600 holographic changes per minute, which I thought was like, like, how did you get that text? Like, I'm pretty sure there was 6 0 1 in that scene. So we really need to reel it in who's keeping track., so without getting into all the episodes, because they are also different, the plot line is typically the same jam and the misfits are going head to head. The misfits are trying to undermine Jim and then Jim wins. That's pretty much it, but the major episode that, merges season one and season two is called the glitter and gold episode. So they did like this fundraiser and they brought in a bunch of extra characters that were. one-offs but they based a lot of these characters off of real people. So they had a character that was, Michael Jackson and he even does like a moonwalk at one point they have one name, Lena learner they had one after Bruce Springsteen. you could tell him he comes out, he's got his guitar, you know? Oh, Mick Jagger to that. Lena Lerner was the only one that was really obvious. Like, were they

Aaron: 32:01

all like that?

Ashley: 32:02

Like, I'd be like, Michael, I'm trying to think like I

Garret: 32:12

wonder if they had to put like a, a notice, like these characters are all fictional. Like no one is based on real character.

Ashley: 32:19

She didn't say anything about them getting like right. Stupid or whatever, but there was one too, her name was Luna, dark. And, it was Madonna. She said, it was like the cone Madonna age, you know? So I just said the glitter and gold episode is like a bridge between, it says the first and second season. Oh, and so in this one, the reason that they, they busted out this one, cause like I said, Jim is a huge, just advertisement is they wanted a new line of. So they wanted to do the glitter. So they, they bring out a new car for this one, which is the same exact car as the Roadster, but it's glitter and gold. So it's cold. Then they bring out jam and she has a new outfit on. So all the outfits from this episode are their new line of dolls. So really it was sales are dropping. We need the glitter golden Ray. So glitter and gold is where the big punk rockers come in because, you know, it's a charity event and they hire a bunch of punk rockers to come in and like trash the event. And so that's where the pirate shows up because the animation wasn't done there, she's like, yep. I don't know why they're not wearing.

Garret: 33:18

Yep.

Ashley: 33:19

so the last thing I think I have, So in 2012, they did come out with a second set of dolls and I looked them up and they are bad. A's I love them so much. They sold at$135 and they sold out in two days at a, at a common dimension

Garret: 33:35

didn't they released on Netflix, like a new series on Netflix. Is that what this is for?

Ashley: 33:40

Um, so this one, it was it's called integrity toys it says a brand new series of collectible fashion dolls based on the TV series,

Garret: 33:48

they do sometimes randomly do that. a company will get the rights to it and they'll do like really detailed action figures And they'll release them at, or some sort of like, uh, masters of the universe, X or something. I don't know if they did that exactly. And they become collectibles because they're so good. So that may be what they did there, I look it up the newest one, gentlemen, Haagen-Dazs didn't come out until 2015. So yeah, this must've just been a rerelease. sweet.

Ashley: 34:12

Yeah, they said in 2012, we're going to come with new dolls and they're going to sell for this. And then again, two days they sold out. I don't think they've released any sense. So another Jim merge, that was released. And I actually have one that a friend bought me was they did a comic. they updated her. One of the things they said was that, everybody looked really sleek. It was a one-off comic. I think it had 13 issues. And I just had a friend who saw it at the comic store and sent it to me. I hadn't actually opened it until we started talking about this episode. I just lost all this

Aaron: 34:40

value, you know, that you opened it. Come on. Well, I think she, I don't think it was

Ashley: 34:47

I've done it all with my oily fingers. Oh, so this comic book takes place 20 years later. And what I was reading was it has the original characters. There was only one new character released on this one named blaze. And, she was trans blazes. The first new character be introduced in the gym since the original series she's transgender, and her coming out as a major plot point and issue 12th. So it was really funny because when I was looking up the, the character lists, I was like, who's blaze. And then when I read it, I'm like, there was definitely not a trans character. And then I realized, because I was like, I would have known that. And that also would have been super progressive. I was about to give like, woo. Yeah, still very progressive.

Garret: 35:30

that's awesome. I personally love it when they include, LGBTQ. Cause we are a part of so many things. So even if it's just a side character, the fact that we exist in all these different things, it's just nice. It's nice when there's like an omakase or a new character it just makes me feel good.

Ashley: 35:45

You cannot tell me that there was no LBGTQ in glamor glitter fashion and faint yeah, they were, they were probably behind the scenes, but those outfits they're out doing synergy on the office. Like, girl, let me get this. Yeah, you can't tell me that gem is not okay. The last thing that I'm going to talk about 2015, they did come out with a movie of gym. I need a moment of silence.

Garret: 36:20

It wasn't, I don't know

Ashley: 36:22

why they didn't name it something different. I didn't watch it. I couldn't watch it.

Garret: 36:26

I was really excited. And then I saw the trailer, obviously, because we've been friends for so long, I was like, oh I wonder if she's going to love this. I saw the trailer and I was like, Ashley's going to go hunt them down with a dagger.

Ashley: 36:39

I just decided to act like it never happened and just erase from my life. I don't even think they can call it jam. I don't know why they did that. The only notes I have on it is that they had Juliette Lewis in it. And Molly Ringold, I guess, made an appearance again. I did not lock it. It was a box office bomb. It says it's considered one of the worst films ever. but the voice actor and the singing actor did show up as side characters of like a hairdresser and a manager so they made a cameo, but I'm just like, it's not

Garret: 37:09

worth the hit. Bring back like what I know or what I love, doing something right. Is like having Peter Colin come back to voice optimist prime in the movie that was like, okay, you're taking what people know, and you're putting it into something new. It's still fresh, but, it's familiar. It's awesome. They didn't do any of that with that movie. I just needed to see the trailer to know that that thing should be shot, very like the bottom of the ocean.

Ashley: 37:33

And nobody would look for it. It's not, no, you could get away with that murder because nobody would care. They would probably give you an award. And again, I didn't watch it. So I can't really say, but can't, I can't say

Garret: 37:45

um, there, there are things that you don't need to put yourself through.

Ashley: 37:49

So the last thing I'm going to say is that, in the end, just so you know how it ends, basically the bands all make a truce. So they tied it up in a pretty little bow, due to low sales of the toy in 1987, they,, cut it out in 1988. And so once they canceled the dolls, Jim was canceled because again, giant advertisement. Christy marks, the one who had been talking about the whole time, cause she was the major writer in it has long expressed desire to make a modern day revival of the animated series, but stated in oh four that there are a great deal of complications concerning the rights or something like that. So she said, I'd like to see it happen. I don't want to go on a lot of detail, but the whole rights situation in gem is very complicated. Believe me if it were that simple. Yeah. I don't understand it. but know that Chrissy marks has got your back. And if there is a chance for it, she's going to do it. So that maybe gives us something to look forward to. Yeah. So it's in the cards. I would like to think it's not going to be a total. Shit show like the dumpster fire of 2015. that's Jim, it was a lot of information, but all of it, I like read maybe 75% of my notes. I cut so much out We'll put some, show notes of just the character listing, which is great. And uh, yeah, some of the games for sale and all that stuff. So if you want to deep dive,

Garret: 39:09

even further.

Ashley: 39:10

All right. We're segue

Garret: 39:11

into butter cats. oh yes I am. That's my other name? so, thunder cats was one of my personal favorite cartoons. I remember running in and if I call it, like the first of the episode, I was so happy. I didn't want to miss anything. It was just so cool. Such a different concept. Oh, I just, so

Aaron: 39:32

these kids will never know what it's like to have to try to run in and, and oh yeah. Cause you're the beginning of an episode or a meme. I'm sure it was like these kids that never know, but it's like, you never know it's on you while you're jumping over the couch, trying to make it back from the kitchen, you know? Oh God. my mom would get so mad cause we'd be becoming home and she'd be like, okay, help me with the groceries. And I'm like, screw the groceries. I need to sit down.

Ashley: 40:03

That's one thing that shocked me, I think about the, Hey, Jim's coming back. I'm like, yeah, I know I haven't left. I'm waiting.

Garret: 40:15

so like Jim, the Thundercats came out in 1985. they were created by Ted Wolf or Tobin he was an American writer. And then, Leonard star was the head writer of it. the animation was done by also a Japanese studio called, Pacific animation corporation. And then it was acquired by Walt Disney after awhile, and then it was distributed by Telepictures. And they were bought by Warner brothers. So I was like, that's kind of a weird dynamic where, two huge, studios have, a little bit of a thing.

Ashley: 40:46

And then how long did it air for? I'm sure you're going to tell me, but I was just curious if,

Garret: 40:50

it had four seasons, and, they also did a series finale, which a lot of cartoons never got.

Ashley: 40:57

That is what they mentioned about Jim. Is that it was tied up in a bow where a lot of them just, you know, they don't

Garret: 41:04

we're held by that, that standard of if they don't sell toys, it was canceled. There's many cartoons that I was like, what happened only to find out later that it was canceled due to either low toy sales or just low ratings overall. But if you've never seen Thundercats, what it was about is the thunder cats were a feline race. and their home planet bundara was dying and they had to flee and find a new home so on the journey, their ship is attack because these mutants want the sword that the Thundercats have, it's the source of their power. So they're fighting and the damage to the ship. but the sort of omens defeats the mutants before they can kill the Thundercats, but because the ship is damaged on their way to the plan that they wanted to reach, they can't get there. And so they have to go to a place called third earth. So they put all the Thundercats in spaces and the oldest one jogger is like, no, I'll pilot it to this place. It's going to take forever. He dies. This is kind of dark for like, a kids show, but joggers dies on its way to this earth. And all the pods are basically okay, except for the main character lie. You know, he is a child when he enters this pod, but due to an error, he ages, a little bit of a slower rate. So when they arrived at this planet, Lana was now from 12 now and adults. so that's a really significant plot point if you miss the beginning, that like he has the mind of a child, but he's in a body of a man.

Aaron: 42:37

one thing I noticed is it, they all were naked when they were on the ship.

Garret: 42:41

That is, what they, obviously they didn't have genitalia or whatever. It was a question they say something about the planet we're going, we will need these guards to protect us but I'm like, why are they all naked? Yeah. It was like, then one thing I thought was funny too, was when they landed and Llano woke up and they're like, he's grown up, Totara's like, and handsome too. And I'm like, I was like, Hey, I'm located this Google predators. She tars on how to catch a predator. So the group of heroes, arrive on this planet called third earth, which actually is our earth. them calling it third earth isn't necessarily what you think that it's the third from, our son,, it's actually the age. So it's the third age, meaning that a lot of the humans are kind of gone. There's still humans in the show, but our technical ages, everything, we're all pretty much dead and gone, and the people who are left are like, Amazon warriors it's kind of going back to that, you know, you advance so far and then you kill each other off and you're left with just a post-apocalyptic sort of thing. And they all spoke English too, is what's crazy. Yeah,

44:04

they

Garret: 44:04

did. They had a translator, so Google translate did survive. so when they arrive on this planet,, they piss off one of the only Sensient humans. Mumm RA who's like this old mommy who worships these ancient spirits of evil. And he's basically like the old man, like get off my lawn sort of thing. And so he's

Aaron: 44:33

like,

Garret: 44:39

so he's this old decrepit mummy, just bandages in this red cloak. And then when he summons these ancient spirits, he morphs into this body built, blue sourcer, God who can fly and just, is constantly battling the Thundercats, either he's trying to get the sort of omens or he's trying to kill him, or he's trying to like, just do something

Ashley: 45:00

they just piss him off by landing,

Garret: 45:03

kind of he saw that they had those sort of omens and he wants that because it's powerful and yeah.

Aaron: 45:12

And it's like the old cartoons where the villain is a bad-ass, but he's always got like minions. And like, they have a chance to beat him every single time, but one of them men messes it up and it's like, y'all Swan.

Ashley: 45:28

Why can't you find better people?

Aaron: 45:29

I don't understand, like on third earth, you know, it's Priceline Pickens. And so I guess, and those people

Ashley: 45:37

are warriors that lasted in this apocalyptic thing. I felt like there, maybe it's like, you don't want other people that are smarter than you because then they're going to take, you know what I mean? You do pick the stupid it's like we talked about with Jim battle, the fans. you pick the, the lesser people, so you can be on top. You know what I mean? You don't want to put the person that's your equal. Cause then you're like, you know, you're

Garret: 46:01

Diana from LinkedIn is like, Hey, I'm on RA. I've got these, um, news here. How smart are they? No, I don't want have some really dumb ones. Uh, they have a GPA of like 0.2. Yes. I'll take those. Please

Ashley: 46:15

send them

Garret: 46:15

over. Yeah. So, the mutans that fired on their spaceship as they were traveling. Coming to this earth and Mumm RA creates like an Alliance with them. And they're always trying to like do stuff. Now, one of the fun facts about this that you mentioned is that the PSA's they always had do better or they always had to have some sort of, learning mechanism for kids. They even came out with a study guide that kids could, ask your teacher for it, take it home. And they would write stuff down and then they would try to, put it in the lesson plan. that is some smart marketing, if it's a part of your study, like what it lineup learned yesterday, kids not to kill.

Aaron: 46:59

Well, I noticed they, put messages in there. Like one of them, for example, I saw was like, rules are only rules when people follow them. Otherwise rules are just words, And it's like, they throw it in there, you know, like,

Garret: 47:12

they would put them in. Everything that I saw as a kid. Like, I just remember GI Joe was a huge one that they did it with. I remember

Ashley: 47:19

this is kind of random, but in the beginning, when the Simpsons actually had like moral stuff in there, like they, you know, son, we don't, and then later it's like, they were just like fit. I do remember watching the old ones and I was like, Homer's giving a, like a Danny Tanner moment,

Garret: 47:37

how messed up, where the kids from the seventies and sixties that they were like, look, we got to get them when they're young, because Billy is pushing old ladies into traffic. we gotta make sure that he knows not to do that. Oh, we'll put him in cartoons. And now Billy doesn't do it,

Ashley: 47:52

Yeah. Like, why do they need to put it in the cartoon?

Garret: 47:55

yeah. so like what you were saying about the movie for gym, they actually were going to do a movie for Thundercats, but when transformers, flopped, and then there was another one that flopped Oh go bots and my little pony, they both bombed like hard. And so any cartoon movie that they were going to do around that time, they were like, eh, scratch it. And what they did is they chopped up the movie into certain parts and they would create season two where season whatever out of that movie. So that's why you see sometimes to be continued or whatever, and it just kind of starts, you know, so that's what they did. Cause I was like, I never saw a movie of the Thundercats. And then when I dove deeper into it, I was like, ah, that's what they did

Aaron: 48:39

at all. Makes sense.

Garret: 48:42

But if you watch all of it, some of it doesn't make sense because they'll put the movie in before or after, or they were trying to fill up slots. Right?

Ashley: 48:50

Like that timeline they're like, wait a minute. They're not.

Garret: 48:52

Yeah. And so there was a bit of continuing error with, I think season two, like going into season two and they were like,

Ashley: 48:59

Hmm. And it's stuff that we question now, but I don't know if as kids, we were also most cartoons weren't a to be continued. there you go, thank you. where they tie it up and the next episode could be completely different and when you give it to be continued, you're like, oh, okay. Yeah. But it does

Garret: 49:16

keep that. I personally liked it because I liked those storylines that happened all season, where it was like, okay, the episodes, are the filler, but as you get deeper in it and you're like, oh, this is really cool. it just made for a better story. For me, it was more impactful and it was, I was deeper invested.

Ashley: 49:33

Did you see an and I think, because of the, to be continued. Is this where we started seeing the like last time on. Jim, this is what happened, because if you think about it, started, halfway through you're like, what last time here? So you have to do the like last time on Jim, the store, like mansion burned down, So you get caught up without being like what's happening.

Garret: 49:54

I think that would help too, because if you were watching this on Saturday morning or during the week and you only got one episode sometimes you wouldn't even get the next episode, you get like three down or from season one or eight or whatever, previous recap was very

Ashley: 50:09

helpful. You needed that filler for sure. I'm sure I still would've watched it, but

Aaron: 50:13

where you had no choice.

Garret: 50:16

I love this cartoon because the characters were all cool, like Panther bro, with his nunchucks that had, were in the shape of Claus Shitara who could run super fast with her bow, but the sort of omens was really cool because Lynna would grab it it looked like a dad. that he would put in his hilt and he would say thunder and it would grow in size. And then he would be like, thunder, thunder Thundercat. So, and if he said that this red image of a cat, almost like of Panther face would be projected up in the sky and that's how he would summon his friends come help. And all the characters were so cool. I thought the sword was awesome. All the mythology around it, but one of the interesting facts was it wasn't the most powerful sword in the universe. at one point got the lady of the lake, the keeper of Excalibur Like he basically gets Excalibur in a disguise and the two swords ended up fighting in the episode and, around the hill, there's the eye of thunder, which is the war. The, red, holographic projection comes from. So Excalibur pierces that, and the sword basically dies. And you're like, oh yeah, it was such an iconic moment. I mean, I was like, no, that can't die. it's the highest sword, whatever, but Excalibur was so powerful that, Merlin ended up wielding it and restoring the, sort of omens back to its former glory. Remember

Aaron: 51:38

the

Ashley: 51:40

you're like she can't lose that

Garret: 51:44

man. They had some crazy stuff, but I loved how they incorporated like different bits of mythology from ages ago. And then speaking of the mythology part. So these actually could be, from Japanese folklore, the Thundercats themselves, because there is a creature known as a thunder M for thunder cat quotes. and what they were is the descriptions categorize them as, and I may be butchering this, but I think raid you like R a I J U and that meaning thunder and. So I thought that was really interesting. Cause I didn't know that, that's where they possibly had come from and they can take the form of like different animals, like wolves or weasels cats, obviously

Aaron: 52:25

thunder, weasel. I don't know how that would've gone over, but it looks cool in my

Ashley: 52:33

head. Roger rabbit when I think of weasels

Aaron: 52:35

now. Oh yeah. I want to take it back to the characters real quick, man. Snarfed dude, why they treat him so damn bad, man? Yeah. I

Garret: 52:46

mean so actually the funny snark was the species. It wasn't his name. He would always go like star star. He looked like a lizard cross with a cat. Yeah. This

Aaron: 52:57

like, and then he always was like, well just blame it. A little snarky,

Garret: 53:03

That's a really good boys.

Aaron: 53:09

he was like, the, oh, like their pet or something. Maybe.

Garret: 53:14

do you remember Orco from He-Man how he was always the sidekick that never did anything, right. That's

Ashley: 53:18

not right. So basically what you were saying with the bad guys in the henchmen, the good guys also had.

Garret: 53:23

I wouldn't say like committee comedic sort

Aaron: 53:26

of. Yeah. He was kind of the comedic sign kit. Yeah. But yeah, like quiet down and snarky and he's like, oh, you were saying anything.

Garret: 53:41

I know he was cute. His, his name was actually Osberg.

Aaron: 53:47

I did not know that. Oh, what's his name?

Garret: 53:50

Osbert O S B E R T.

Aaron: 53:53

But every time he finished the sentence is like snark.

Ashley: 53:58

Yeah. It was really funny. Picture came up of him getting the handful of the booth

Garret: 54:03

here. Can you see that? no.

Aaron: 54:13

So It all makes sense. Now.

Garret: 54:22

some of the, fun facts about this, they had a psychologist read every script to make sure that all the lessons were in place. So the PSA's they were done with, uh psychiatrists beyond it to make sure that they were enforcing. It was good.

Ashley: 54:35

And what year was this? Cause I feel like they didn't even start getting into child psychology until

Garret: 54:40

like 85. wanted it. I thought so too. I was like down, it was so successful that they actually had a thunder cats live on stage tour. Let me tell you, it is like the stuff on a nightmares. Like if you took little like Billy to there, he wouldn't sleep for a year. Like she, Tara looked like she was going to be like, I'm in a dance and sing an E

Ashley: 55:08

when you

Garret: 55:14

Um, they just look weird, she tars, she lose angry. Like she ain't been bedding five days or something.

Ashley: 55:20

Right. Okay. So we're saying live show, Thundercats, live show.

Garret: 55:25

Yeah. Say like stage production or something, and it should pop up. Cause I had a few, like some of the characters look okay. But the weird thing was so thunder has posted. Yes. Oh, dear God. Look at that.

Ashley: 55:40

It looks like Lou Ferrigno, and it's not the muscles, right?

Garret: 55:44

it's like, I don't think so. I mean maybe like

Ashley: 55:48

no way Wow.

Garret: 55:52

So, but the host of the live shows, they would incorporate other cartoons. So, Gumby like Gumby and like the pony thing, I guess they would host the show and somehow they connected all the universe as, so this was Mehta before it was even they had a multi-verse of like cartoons on stage.

Ashley: 56:10

Yeah. Like when I pulled it up, that's why I couldn't figure out if I had the right thing or not, because there's a picture of Gumby and pokey. And then in the background, there's like a Jew, like a, oh, I think it's one of the other ones we had talked about. there's a, karate cat. Remember the other cartoons we were talking about the hop frog. Do you remember Aaron? You said, I said, what is that? A hop frog? And you were like, oh, it's this? And I'm like, oh my God, it makes so much sense. Wow. Good. On a resume. You're like,

Garret: 56:36

dude, like that you produce that

Ashley: 56:40

I'm saying the person who was in it still riding that Thundercat wave, but I did.

Aaron: 56:48

the job, you know who I am.

Garret: 56:51

I don't know. I feel like they all had to start doing strip teases or something for 25 cents. Show me your bow.

Aaron: 57:03

Tell me I'm handsome to Tara.

Garret: 57:07

Oh, sorry. Like if you stop hearing from me, it's the portal, the hell that opened up Jessica Alba was a huge fan. Like she absolutely loved it, which I thought was interesting. if you remember grandpa Huxtable from the Cosby show, he actually voiced, Panther, I loved Panther. I was like, I thought his voice was so

Aaron: 57:29

cool and all the heroes did have like just that deep boy taste my blade, every time they have a goal,

Garret: 57:37

So I always love panto though. Cause I, like, I felt like if there was ever a battle Panther would always wig he was definitely, probably one of my favorites. so what else? they had a comic series that they've done. there was one they crossed over with He-Man that's been pretty popular. the one thing I will say about some of these shows that I did not like, and it made more sense when I did more research, do you ever come across those characters who were like, why is this character there? Like, What is he or she, the writers would actually have to write in new toys. So they would come with like these crazy ideas and be like, okay, we got stick figure, man. Like what can we do with that? And we're like, ah, I guess we can make him Leno's friend from when they were in high school or something. I don't

Ashley: 58:19

know. Tell him he has opened up my world I don't know why I wouldn't have thought that the world of cartoons was that corrupt, I, I just thought we were being entertained. I didn't realize we were

Aaron: 58:29

being fricking we're on that. When I, when I do

Ashley: 58:34

like, I feel like product placement now is so obvious. so I didn't really notice. It I'll be honest. I'm like super naive, I guess. until Dustin started pointing it out and he would go product placement and I was like, what? And he's like, why are they drinking their Pepsi cam that way? Why is it, you know what it's like really obvious. And now I'm like, oh mom,

Aaron: 58:55

he's

Ashley: 58:55

like, we'd never sell out. Yeah. I guess it's just less obvious than because the characters were the product and I

Garret: 59:03

didn't even think. Yeah. yeah. Cause you wanted to be around them. And if I love Panthers so much, I dunno if my mom got me any, thunder, cat toys, I think I had the sword, which was good. And it actually extended.

Aaron: 59:15

Did

Ashley: 59:15

we see any Thundercat stories at that museum? We went to here? I feel like that was not, and there was everything.

Garret: 59:20

there probably was you just probably weren't looking for them. Cause they are pockets. They what they sell. what else? so they, they created a game but it was on like the CPC, the Atari St. Commodore 64. So obviously nobody played it right. The other funny thing was lying. Oh. Was supposed to be called lion L, but it was too close to Lionel and, yeah. And they were like, yes. And so they didn't want it to be confused like Lionel Richie or other things. So they there is actually a movie that is being produced as we speak. There's a script that's written, but I want to say there's a director that's attached, but they've been trying to do this for

Aaron: 1:00:09

years. Yeah. I remember. it's probably been four or five years that they, I remember Matthew McConaughey was going to be, I was going to ask,

Ashley: 1:00:16

was Ryan rentals attached to this at all? For some reason I have a Brian Reynolds. I don't know if I'm making them, this

Garret: 1:00:22

has been ongoing. Oh God man. Brian Reynolds could like, could play anything and I'll watch

Ashley: 1:00:27

it.

Garret: 1:00:30

It was, but this, has been a movie Pitt for like ages. Like somebody would go in, take it out and they'd be like, I'm going to make a movie. And then it never gets made. This has had a long history of failures, for getting it up and running. so they actually did a reboot of this in 2011, so I watched all of it. It was so good. It was very well done. It was respectful of the original take on it, but it updated it in many ways. The original liner was brought on as like the new line of his dad. So he voiced him, they took their time and explored the characters and didn't show everybody at once. It was cool and it got canceled real quick and it only had one season and due to failing toy sales, that's what killed it. they were supposed to have 52 episodes and it only got to 26 I was so heartbroken because it was so

Ashley: 1:01:18

good finale or did it,

Garret: 1:01:20

no, this is one of the ones that it's supposed to go into like, season two with a cliff hanger and

Aaron: 1:01:26

it never,

Ashley: 1:01:27

that's the word I'm like, you haven't told me what happened.

Garret: 1:01:31

It was awful. And then they tried rebooting it again. But this time, instead of it being like quality animation this stuff was like, somebody was like on acid and cocaine. And they just put a whole bunch of shit together and was like, let's make Thundercats weird. And that's what they did. They turned it into like this, turn express that just looked like a more this very cartoony sort of, art style. I'm trying to think not Steven universe, but like almost that sort of weird just everything doesn't make sense. It was a very fast paced, show. And I only saw the trailers for it and it looked awful and it was supposed to be like more of a funny take on a serious cartoon and it bombed everybody hated it and they quickly canceled it. And I think it's now down in the bottom of the ocean, but the most crazy, crazy, crazy thing that I could find that I know is going to perk Ashley's interest is one of the writers was murdered in 2010.

Aaron: 1:02:30

so his name

Ashley: 1:02:31

was on one of our true crime episodes.

Garret: 1:02:34

I was like, I know she's going to be like, okay, dive deep into this. So his name was Steven Perez. And he went missing. His van was found abandoned at Tampa hotel. And soon after they found his severed armed, nearby, authorities later revealed that he was a victim of a homicide and arrested his roommates in connection with his death. And so although they were charged with the crime, the rest of his remains were never found. And I don't know if they got all off or whatever, but can you imagine they just found his arm, like immediately, what comes to mind is that magic, these givers, I got your arm

Ashley: 1:03:08

bay. Yeah. Or I think of a penny wise when he's like

Aaron: 1:03:14

um, what came to mind was Panther making a nunchuck out of it, but the dead like that, but

Garret: 1:03:24

no, I mean, I don't either. I apologized to

Aaron: 1:03:29

him and I would have been by

Ashley: 1:03:31

that. Oh yeah. We're definitely going to have to deep dive into that. That

Aaron: 1:03:34

is,

Garret: 1:03:37

And so apparently he was going in for like cancer or something and they picked him up out of the hospital and they just never found him. So that's so

Ashley: 1:03:44

weird. I wonder if morbid has done one on. So I do want to backtrack a little bit besides this wonderful nugget that you've just dropped on us. That I'm totally intrigued by. if the rights are so hard to get, like, we're talking about how do people like the other person who mess it up so bad, get the rights. Do you know what I mean? Like how did they get permission? How do they not have to pitch it first and say, Hey, this is my idea. And say, no, you are worthy of this because it's really hard to get these rights because now the idea that they could get a remake again is going to be, it feels like no, we tried Thundercats and it didn't work. You know? And I'm just like, but that person sucked. And I don't understand why. They would treat it. So not precious. Like did somebody like lose it in a poker game? And they're like, all right, right. Under cats. And they're like suckers

Garret: 1:04:29

because that first reboot didn't do as well as they want it to. they killed it. But I do know that with some of the rights to things, if the parent company is bought and something's going on with it with another distributor, I'll give you star Trek for an example. so when Viacom was split up, like certain things at paramount could only do movies and certain could only do like TV shows. And there was this weird thing where they couldn't exist together I may be butchering that, but, the idea is if a parent company owns it and one is bought off, but the rights are with another group, who knows if they were given a time limitation or something. So then it's well, we own this, but we've given the rights to them, So how do we talk? Oh, it's like

Ashley: 1:05:10

permission to butcher it seems very careless to me with these precious cartoons that we have. I am taking a stand. I have signed my petition. if you feel this passionate about it, just,

Garret: 1:05:26

Uh, but that's my thing, I was under cats. I didn't want to go crazy So I was like, I just, I

Aaron: 1:05:32

don't know,

Ashley: 1:05:34

way, way more streamlined.

Aaron: 1:05:39

I mean, it's just crazy how in depth you can get, when you really look into really, can And then if, I don't know, I'm sure you guys had the same problem I do, but the research in one thing, and then you're like, Hmm, then you see the murder thing and you go down there and you're like, oh, dude, kind of have one in mind too, that you know, that

Ashley: 1:05:57

mine had like a murder. I would not have gotten very far, but the whole different episode,

Garret: 1:06:03

yeah. I was like, I'm so happy after they get this. Cause they would be like the Steven Perry show

Aaron: 1:06:12

yeah. Change your plans. Y'all

Ashley: 1:06:15

On a good segue. Let's move into

Aaron: 1:06:16

Scooby-Doo sweet. All right. Scooby doo.

Ashley: 1:06:20

I want to sing that Scooby dooby doo, where are you? We've got some work to do now. That's the only part I know is that it? Yeah.

Aaron: 1:06:29

Yeah. Great. So you guys were in the eighties and we are an eighties and nineties podcasts, but I'm going to take you guys back to 1960s for a little while. No doubt. So it's kind of crazy because some of the stuff you guys were talking about, ties into what I'm going to talk about. So, the CBS morning lineup was, space, ghost, fantastic for thunder, the barbarian and super friends. And a lot of parents groups were calling these cartoons out, because a lot of these cartoons were sponsored and it was, a lot of advertisements about the products that these, cartoons were sponsored by. and they were calling for the less violent cartoons. when I first heard that I kind of scoffed at him like, ah, violence, but the deeper I looked into it, they had the assassination of Martin Luther king, JFK, the Vietnam war was going on. So when I kind of thought about what was going on in the real world, you know, I realized, that there was a lot going on and parents wanted better for their kids And then also a lot of these cartoons back then were sponsored by posts and Kelloggs. And so the whole half an hour would be just pretty much propaganda for like. cereal and Flintstones vitamins and stuff like that, and some of the advertisements actually found where like the Flintstones were actually in a cigarette ad for Winston cigarettes. No, no, I promise we'll put it in the show notes. And I was going to say, is it on YouTube show? Yeah, it is. So it shows, Barney and, Fred the two wives were out in the yard working and Barney and Fred are like, man, that looks like hard work, And he's like, let's go around back. So they go around back and they're smoking cigarettes back there and he's like, man, this tastes good. And like the catch line was like, Winston tastes good. Like a cigarette should

Garret: 1:08:09

no joke.

Aaron: 1:08:12

So, when I first saw these parent groups, the main one was the act for children's television. It was called act Americans for children's service television. And they were really pushing for these because it was just propaganda on these products. So, they did end up actually getting it passed to where these companies couldn't, advertise and, and do that for a while until about 1984, when Ronald Reagan canceled the act that they had passed. And that's probably when. the shows that we watch, all the shows that

Ashley: 1:08:41

we watched. Yeah. I'm just finding out were just giant commercials.

Aaron: 1:08:46

So it's funny that you gotta talk about it because it did talk about Ronald Reagan, canceling this act that, that the sec had passed about advertising towards children and stuff like that. so

Ashley: 1:08:56

then it was in for like effect for how long, like 20 years, or I guess

Aaron: 1:09:00

not that yeah. Between like the seventies and 84. So yeah, like 13, 14 years. Yeah. So a lot of the networks, they were looking for more wholesome TV. So this is when Sesame street came out and Mr. Rogers came out and, Hanna-Barbera was looking for a TV show that would be a more wholesome TV, a cartoon and appeal to children and adults. so they hired, Joe Ruby and Ken Spears. They both worked for Hanna-Barbera and They came up with an idea about five teens and a Bango playing dog who were in a band called the mysteries five. So this band traveled the country, playing gigs and solving supernatural mysteries along the. the only problem was the original idea of this show was more serious and kind of scary, there really wasn't much humor in it. So CBS turned it down. They said it's too scary. so they had to go back to the, the drawing book. So the original characters, they had Jeff, Mike Kelly, Linda, and Linda's brother named WW. I don't, it didn't say what www dot the original Scooby doo was actually going to be named too much, like too much, because back in the early sixties, that's just too much was a popular phrase. I looked it up there's songs written, titled that and everything, it was just a popular saying

Ashley: 1:10:21

should we bring it back? It's something we

Aaron: 1:10:23

too much. No, that's too much. That's just too much. That's just too much. No doubt. so the original too much, just going to call him Scooby from now on. he was more of like a scrappy dude. He was brave, wanting to fight and he wasn't scared of anything. So he was more of a scrappy dubious character. Then the scoop.

Ashley: 1:10:41

I'm glad they changed that.

Aaron: 1:10:45

Like I said, CBS, they turned us down. They said it was too scary, too serious. That's not what they're looking for. So they went back to the drawing board. and they revamped the characters, the premise. So the new premise still the same thing. It was a group of teenagers and they're lovable mud, the drive around in the Mr. Machine solving paranormal activities.

Ashley: 1:11:03

I wonder how they like changed it up though from the other premise to okay. So the other one, they were in a band and solving mysteries or yes. Yeah. So

Aaron: 1:11:11

they were going around playing gigs, like, you know, wherever we're at. Yeah. They were

1:11:16

solving

Ashley: 1:11:16

this and to be like, oh, there's paranormal things. Oh, we're in the city, in

Aaron: 1:11:21

the newer ones, they would be visiting amusement park, you know,, the, villain happened to be at the museum park. That's just kinda how they did. They never really

Ashley: 1:11:27

CTV shows like that. I'm like, These people have the worst

Garret: 1:11:30

luck. Like

Ashley: 1:11:36

they're like not even surprised anymore. They're like, fine. Can we finish our ride for,

Aaron: 1:11:41

yeah. Just came to ride a rollercoaster,

Garret: 1:11:47

like CSI Scooby doo edition. Yeah.

Aaron: 1:11:49

I'm like, look, I'm just going to, you gotta solve your own damn mystery here.

Ashley: 1:11:53

Right. Para let me make it easy for you all off his head and there's going to be a

Aaron: 1:11:57

dude. So speaking of that, the episodes always ended in, let's see who you really are and it would show it who it was and, there was always some variation. Um, I would've gotten away with the two of you and potent for you, meddling kids. Yeah. And so that reminded me of the Wayne's world. You know, the school we do ending, you know, it's like, it's old man Jenkins,

Ashley: 1:12:21

Rob Lowe. Like he

Aaron: 1:12:24

got away with it. I rewatched it. And then Garth goes, rude, run raggy. You know, like I laugh.

Ashley: 1:12:35

Dustin is actually, and this is a little off, but dozens watching a show right now. I've got to think of what it's called, but I've caught a few episodes and I've been. You know, this is just Scooby doo, right? I watched one and it was this ghost came in and I said, there's a realtor. That's trying to sell her apartment. So They're trying to care all the ghost thing. And later he was like, it was the realtor. And I was like,

Aaron: 1:12:55

and that's the premise of the story. It was always, a villain that, had a problem that you hologram that it, you know, so in the revamp, the writers turned too much AK Scooby into a more goofy. Because they wanted a great Dame, but they didn't want him to be confused with Marmaduke, which was a popular comic back then.

Garret: 1:13:13

Oh yeah.

Aaron: 1:13:14

And they also had another design, but they didn't want him to be confused with hotdog from the Archie show. There was a show, I guess he was a sheep dog or something. I didn't really know. I tried to look up pictures of, I really couldn't find a hot dog, subs to differentiate them from Marmaduke. They wanted to kinda make them a great day, but like not a pure break right day. so they gave him the double chin, the slope back and the overly kind of bow legged. and then of course when he talk, he's a talking dog, but he has the RS, like we just did. there's actually a name for it. It's called Roddick replacement or ratification is what it's called. Whenever you put a, like a syllable

Ashley: 1:13:48

w as I turned into the ares or he doesn't Ruby now. Cause he does it with ever.

Aaron: 1:13:52

He does everything. It's called syllable robotic replacement. his original name is actually scooper to do his real name and he is a triplet. He has, a whole tree of siblings that we may do long. Yeah. Heat a long list of like all the different characters. I'm like, I don't remember all these, but then when you look at, oh, I remember that.

Ashley: 1:14:15

I was just remember, y'all talking about the country one and I do remember that one, but the other ones I don't, I mean, besides not sibling.

Aaron: 1:14:22

Yeah. So there's rumors on how the, he got the name. Scooby-Doo the writers say they got it from one of them joking about Frank Sinatra going dooby, dooby doo or something.

Garret: 1:14:34

Oh,

Aaron: 1:14:34

okay. There was a band called Randy in the rainbows and they sound a lot like a beach boy, like a boy band back then, they say that they stole the name from them. They had a song named Denise where one of the singers was in the background is seeing in Scooby dooby, dooby do like, over and over, it's, it's a big

Ashley: 1:14:55

controversy.

Aaron: 1:14:58

I didn't see anything like that. so. There was also a theory where Barney rubble going back to Barney rubble, the chain smoker, he would scat sometimes in this cartoon, he would be like, I have my tags and Scooby-Doo and Ricky Dicky and boom, boom, boom, whatever. But, and so Barney, like he would like stand,

Ashley: 1:15:17

got to

Aaron: 1:15:18

rewatch. I was gonna say, don't Google Barney rubble razzmatazz. It comes up with a band with a not so friendly name that came out with a song called butts luck. So don't well of

Ashley: 1:15:33

course, I'm going to Google it now. Clearly you do not know my name.

Garret: 1:15:39

I'm not the

Aaron: 1:15:40

Barney rubble. That's one of the things where I'm telling you not to do it, but I know you're going to don't hit the red button. So that's Scooby that's what they changed with Scooby for the new show. The other characters they were all based on a show called the mini lives of Doby Gillis. And it was a black and white sitcom kind of before his time. it was set in the high school years and it really inspired shows like happy days and the high school kind of shows, and even had some ties to say by the bell, uh, Jeff and Mike were combined to become Fred Jones. Fred Johns was named after the CBS executive, Fred Silverman, which he had a lot of other shows that he was responsible for. Or

Ashley: 1:16:21

did he always have an Ascot on?

Aaron: 1:16:23

Yeah, he did. We have, like, you

Ashley: 1:16:25

always had the tired little like neck CIF

Garret: 1:16:29

fashion

Aaron: 1:16:30

choice. Yeah. Fred was the character. He was kind of the leader of the group. And, he was always wanting to set traps and, his way of finding the ghost was always way too complex and His tracks usually kind of hindered the investigation more than it did help. So Fred Jones was voiced by Frank Welker, Frank actually audition for shaggy, but ended up getting the role of Fred Jones. And he was also the role of Scooby-Doo. this dude was a legend in the cartoon world. he was the voice of curious George, many of the characters on Animaniacs, Megatron and Soundwave, Garfield, Futurama, Powerpuff girls. He was Astro from the Jetsons, abou from. He was both Jerry. Yeah. He was standing as a little helper on the census. These are all

Ashley: 1:17:16

animals that don't talk though. In a

Aaron: 1:17:20

minute, he was a sharp tooth from land before, and he was even the gopher from caddy shack oh, wow. Yeah.

Ashley: 1:17:30

I do love them freaking gopher though.

Aaron: 1:17:36

he was the invoice of inspector gadget and Dr. Claw Cujo dog. Yup. He had range. I'm telling you,

Ashley: 1:17:46

they were like, we need

Aaron: 1:17:47

an animal. And also you were talking about Jim having all different voices for ear. Every character Scooby-Doo was not like that. a lot of the main voice actors played a lot of the side characters on Scooby-Doo also. that makes sense. And his main catchphrase was, looks like we bet another mystery on our hands. so Kelly from mysteries five actually became Daphne Blake. she was played by, Stephie Ana, Kristofferson. She didn't really do too much. She was in mash some, some Sanford and son. So

Ashley: 1:18:15

like an actor, not so she

Aaron: 1:18:16

just voice actress. And so the character Linda became Velma Dingley, Vilma was voiced by Nicole Joffey. I think that's how you saying. And she had some, voice roles in, captain caveman and a few other side jobs one of her famous quotes was junkies. That was when she discovered that. And yeah, the definition of junkies, I didn't know was actually a real word, but, to express surprise or amazement. So I thought that was pretty interesting. Um, so that was a constant theme in Scooby-Doo where Vilma always tripped and lost her glasses it was just a thing, you know, she would fall a trip and she's a, my glasses. I can't see without them, that was actually a blooper cause she was reading her lines one day and she knocked her glasses off or dropped them and she said it in the line and they thought it was just hilarious. So they kept it in there and it just became cool. Yeah. One of the trademark gags,

Ashley: 1:19:11

your research is way more entertaining. I'm not going to do them anymore.

Aaron: 1:19:16

The brother WW, he became shaggy, which Shaggy's real name is Norville Rogers. And he was no longer. Linda's brother. he was voiced by Casey case in which we all know from forties. What's interesting. Is he actually auditioned for the role of Fred?

Ashley: 1:19:34

I want to put those side by side cause Casey Kazem has such a distinct voice. Like no, no, no,

Aaron: 1:19:42

So he was Mr. Magoo. He would, did some transformed roles. they show him an owl, some tiny Toons, but we all know him from mainly America's top 40, And my murder is actually when Casey Kasem died. So he died, a few years back in, 2018 and Casey. Casey. Yeah. Casey Qassem yeah, actually he died 14, I'm sorry, 2014, but no, no. So in 2018, the investigation was reopened over his death because both sides, his wife is accusing the kids of killing him and the kids are accusing the wife for killing them. Like they're both battling, he's worth$80 million and they're both kind of fighting over. And this may be something we can go into deeper down the robot. Oh, hell yes. Yeah. It's kinda crazy. They're both accusing each other of murdering him for the money, you know? So

Ashley: 1:20:34

how did he die? How was he

Aaron: 1:20:35

murdered? it just says a wrongful death. an open investigation was, he was, you would have,

Ashley: 1:20:43

Aaron's going to get into it again. Facts or optional.

Aaron: 1:20:46

Yeah. Facts are optional here. Okay. yeah, that's something that we can say.

Ashley: 1:20:50

It was 82. He died at St. Anthony's hospital in gig Harbor Washington at 82, cause of death was reported as sepsis caused by an ulcerated beds.

Garret: 1:21:00

Ooh, sepsis.

Ashley: 1:21:02

Yup. Yeah, but he was up there. I didn't, I guess I didn't realize he was that old when

Aaron: 1:21:05

he died. Yeah. The last time I saw him, you could tell he was still dyeing the hair, you know, like he,

Ashley: 1:21:10

yeah. I feel like the old, like you were talking about earlier, the rat pack when they get older and you're like,

Aaron: 1:21:15

yeah, but he was on a member. He was at the max on saved by the bell. Remember that one when they did the dance contest. anyway, so we'll keep him on. So shaggy, he's a stoner character that everybody thinks of his expression was zoinks, that was his thing. And zoinks means to express surprise or fear. Uh, and it's the thing, weird words for surprise. So one of the interesting things us all about the case of case was he voiced shaggy until he died, except for in the live movies. but at one time he almost quit the show because they wanted him to voice a burger king commercial, and, uh, Casey Casen was vegan. so he told them if they did not make shaggy vegan, that he was going to quit. So they met in the middle and shaggy became a vegetarian. So if you notice at one point shaggy, doesn't eat meat after. This happened,

Ashley: 1:22:04

take a stand. Casey.

Aaron: 1:22:06

Yeah. just a couple of things about the characters, shaggy and Scooby are the only two characters to be in every version a Scooby-Doo like all the different ones from the beginning to the end, because there was a time where they took Fred and Daphne off. And then there was a time where a Velma wasn't on there.

Ashley: 1:22:19

I wonder why

Aaron: 1:22:21

well, they tried adding new characters, I think maybe there was too much and at one time they said Fred and Daphne were too boring, so they tried to bring on like flim-flam and I don't know if y'all remember all of them, but like, yeah. after the revamp, they approve it. They thought it was good to go. And it actually became the Centerstone of Saturday morning cartoons. they think the reasons that was such a big hit was, it appealed to children. And actually speaking to children, girls, cause most of the cartoons like you were talking about earlier were designed for boys and, the execs for the big, TV stations and the broadcast and stuff thought if boys a watch it, anybody watch it. And it was kind of a thing. So this one was really popular with girls. So that was different than some of the stuff that was going on.

Ashley: 1:23:03

Yeah. I can see the appeal., Daphne was cute. I loved Velma and then its animals. So

Aaron: 1:23:08

Yeah. And it was funny slapstick, good music. And also Scooby doo was the first cartoon to have a laugh track to it. so if you'll notice though that when they remastered the old episodes and re-released them, later on they took the laugh track out of them. But they used to bring it back every now and then to kind of show them Oz to the old episodes.

Ashley: 1:23:26

I remember a lot of skidding noises. They would run it like that. for some reason that's what comes

Aaron: 1:23:33

to mind. So one thing I forgot to mention was that after the revamp, the original title was going to be, Who's scared, like somebody saying who's, schizos scared, what's going to be the original title That was the title that actually got approved by, CBS before they released it. But before they did, they ended up changing it to Scooby-Doo. Where are you? So the original, title, Scooby-Doo where you came out in 1968 and ran till about 71. you know, It was the same premise. And then in 72, instead of a half an hour episode, they made an hour long episode and they started adding guests to go on their missions with them. If you'll remember. That was like Mr. T the three Stooges man. Yeah. Yeah. Batman and Robin, the globe Trotters, Sonny and Cher Elvira. Yes. Don Knotts was even on there,? No

Garret: 1:24:26

I'm

Ashley: 1:24:26

saying like, as a cartoon character, I'm not like the globe Trotters Batman, but Donna, Donna

Garret: 1:24:33

Donna was on there,

Aaron: 1:24:36

but I'm just saying actually in the later ones, I have a list of some characters that came in the later ones. What have been

Ashley: 1:24:42

amazing at prince and McDonald's

Aaron: 1:24:47

oh, in the ones that came out like 2002, they had smash mouth, Urkel or do little white, weird Al Yankovic, Jeff Foxworthy, mark Hamill, and Christian Slater, where some of the names that I found out

Ashley: 1:25:00

he's a perfect cartoon character

Aaron: 1:25:02

voice. So after the Scooby-Doo movies, which were in 1972, in 76 was the Scooby-Doo show. And this is where they kind of took some characters off. And if you'll remember, they had dyno mud. all-star laugh Olympics the buggy races, member of the races, where they had the different races, key races. Yeah. Wacky races and stuff like that. Then 79 they needed another kind of revamp. So this is when they brought scrappy doin and a scrap into it was a. he did not get received well by audiences. so

Ashley: 1:25:37

the middle man syndrome. No.

Aaron: 1:25:41

and so this is where we start coming in, our memories of it. they released a new school. We do new Scooby-Doo mysteries and this was the original gang, same premises, new mysteries, scrappy doo, and then his relatives would end up popping in on these ones, let's see, his dad's name was data. Do mumsy do with his mom, brothers were Skippy do, and you have a do which he's a triplet. His sister was Ruby do, which was scrapping news mom. And then he has a bunch of cousins. He's has Scooby dumb Scooby D do. Yeah. Dixie do, and then his uncles Horton do. Woopsie Dew and nasty dude. Wow. Uncle isn't that like a restaurant like the nasty uncle or am I This was the same premise, but they would bring in different characters from Scooby's family. so in 1985, were the 13 ghosts of Scooby-Doo yes. Favorites, right. So this was, the gang was all back together and they were traveling the world attempting to capture the most terrifying ghost in the world. The main villain was Vincent van ghoul and the, yes, he was kind of modeled after Dr. Strange, like he had the two strikes, you know,

Ashley: 1:26:54

Was it actually Vincent van Gogh. I mean

Aaron: 1:27:01

price. Yes. Yes. That's it. He voiced it. Yes. and it was modeled after Dr. Strange and Vincent Price awesome. so this was the series where they also had flim-flam, which if you saw a flim-flam you would remember him, he was a small child with dark hair in an like a yellow jumpsuit. Um, yeah, if you see him you'll remember him, like he always named flim-flam. Yeah.

Ashley: 1:27:26

I remember that outfit, I think, cause he had,

Aaron: 1:27:28

what I thought was kinda funny was the names of the episodes. Were they all kind of had pun names, like a spooky little goal, like you when you wish. Yeah.

Garret: 1:27:38

I do remember him

Aaron: 1:27:43

and to all the goals I've loved before, you know, just till the titles were names like that thought that was pretty funny. Yeah, that's

Ashley: 1:27:50

cute.

Aaron: 1:27:51

And then in 1988, was a pup named Scooby-Doo. So this took the gas to the elementary days back to Coopersville was the name of their hotel. So cools bay element. And this was more of like a loony tune style. Cause it was the same creators as tiny Toons Animaniacs. So this was kind of in that animation. and you know, it was just the gang still solving mysteries, and they were kids in elementary school and something you'll remember was, uh, there was a kid at, at the school named red herring. And he was like this redheaded kid, and it was based on the pun of a red herring. So Fred always like thought it was red herring. Like he would always accuse a red being like the villain and never was, I think one time it actually was, but it was the time where he didn't accuse red herring of doing it. But

Garret: 1:28:34

dude, I loved that one I remember when that was coming out and my mom was dragging me around with her. It's some of her friend's houses, cause obviously she wasn't gonna leave it an eight year old loan. So I remember going to this house and I'm like, mom, a pup named Scooby-Doo is coming out. It's coming out today and I want to watch it. And she was like, okay, fine. So we go over to this house and she's got her granddaughter there and I got the granddaughter, all hyped up. we were watching the clock, waiting for it to come on. I want to say 10:00 AM or something. And we were waiting, waiting and. every time, half an hour would go by, like we turn it on and it wouldn't be there. And we're like, oh, 10:00 AM came and football was on. And I about had a meltdown. I was like, I was like, where's Scooby doo. And I was like, oh, maybe the channel is wrong. So we got the TV guide and we looked at the TV guide and look up the channel. We were like, oh my God. And so football replaced the Saturday morning cartoon for that day if an eight year old could have gone ballistic and murder things I probably would have, because I was so obsessed with Scooby-Doo and I wanted this cartoon so bad. Cause it was new, fresh, and that's so cool. And me and this little granddaughter were so disappointed. We were just like, I was

Aaron: 1:29:53

so

Garret: 1:29:54

mad I

Aaron: 1:29:55

was supposed to be on I'm sure she talks about it in therapy to this day. Like probably like this.

Ashley: 1:30:01

And I'm also like, and Garrett has hated sports ever since downfall

Aaron: 1:30:09

So, that lasted a couple seasons between 98 and about 2000, there were no new episodes. They rerun a lot of them, of course. And they came out with a lot of animated movies, like solo movies, they weren't a show. They would, it would be like an hour long movie and they would just pretty much release them on DVD. So there was like 30 of them you'll remember, they were like zombie island. And, you know,

Garret: 1:30:31

there was a lot of the direct to video ones.

Aaron: 1:30:34

And so in 2002, I'm not going to really go into these. I'm just going to go over the timeline. But 2002 was the what's new Scooby doo. That was the original gang back together, new missions. and then of course you remember the movies, the live action movies with Freddie Prinze Jr. And all of them. So recently they've redone a lot of these and they're really good. I don't know if you've seen them like mystery incorporated. Oh man, you gotta check them out. So Mr. Incorporated is a dark animated series, so it goes in their past and it's more of a dark, serious, take on. mysteries incorporated might be on Netflix. It's on one of the streaming services. I've watched it before. And so there's a new one. That's be coolest. Could we do a Scooby doo and guess who and Scooby doo a new universe are all on streaming services. I haven't really watched any of them, except for missionary incorporated, that one was really good.

Garret: 1:31:18

I'm looking at it now. The animation looks really good too. Yeah,

Aaron: 1:31:22

it is. over the years,, Scooby-Doo has made almost$10 billion. yep. It's one of the highest earning brands of all the animated series is serious, serious, serious ssssss. I got you. You feel what I'm saying here? So there's been three live movies. there's been a video game series for game boy in 64, PlayStation, Xbox, and that was even a plug and play. It's a Mr. Machine controller and you just plug it in to the TV and it had the controllers in the Mr. Machine. I saw that, there's been all kinds of Scooby-Doo board games, like have guests, who version of Scooby doo Scooby-Doo chess, a monopoly, their own version of clue. And escape from the haunted mansion.

Garret: 1:32:05

That does make sense. I want that

Aaron: 1:32:09

it was called I think, clue. Do clues look that up. Of course there's been, action figures, uh, Lego set, stuffed animals, even a Scooby-Doo line of dog toys that was out for awhile. Uh, there's been a Scooby-Doo series of Chuck Taylor's and vans. they have, roller coasters different theme parks all across the world. There's even a Scooby doze coin and NFTs that are out right now. If you're into that kind of thing,

Ashley: 1:32:36

I don't even know what you're talking about right now.

Garret: 1:32:38

I vaguely know what an NFC is and I'm not crazy

Aaron: 1:32:41

about them. Yeah, it's the future, man? Uh, no. And there was actually even like a comic book series of Scooby-Doo also, that was a 36, issues based in the future. So the zombie apocalypse is broken out. The gang is still together and they're going around the country, looking for the cure and solving mysteries and trying to find the cure for the zombie.

Garret: 1:33:02

Yeah. So it's like the walking

Aaron: 1:33:03

dead meets UV to pretty much it's called Scooby apocalypse. Yup.

Ashley: 1:33:07

These Chuck Taylors are going like$150.

Aaron: 1:33:11

Oh, that's nothing for a pair. Yeah. Patrick, Patrick is paid way more than that for a pair of chucks. My dude, you know, like back in my day, you could buy this for 20 bucks, bro. I

Ashley: 1:33:21

was saying the PX for$8.

Aaron: 1:33:25

We used to get them for summer shoes. Like they would buy them just so we could tear them up during the summer. So, some of the fan theories, there are some pretty funny ones. some of the fan theories, of course, that shaggy and Scooby or pot heads. because they always have the munchies. They're always the ones that see the monsters first and they always look real and there's some evidence to this. Cause if you watch it, sometimes the Mr. Machine just have smoke coming out of it for no reason. Or like, shaggy would just have a random, corncob pipe for note, you know? And I'm like, wait a minute here. I

Ashley: 1:33:54

thought that was the version that was for the adults when they said they let's do a little weak, weak,

Aaron: 1:34:01

some of the other fan theories are that Scooby his family is actually mega rich, and that's how the group supports each other. Cause none of them ever work and they're always going places and stuff like that. That's true.

Ashley: 1:34:12

Yeah. That'll get like paid for the mysteries. They've just to be

Aaron: 1:34:15

there. one, I thought was funny that Scooby is actually a space experiment from the Soviet union. That's why he can talk. they said he escaped the project in the USSR and he defected to the U S and, the show is called, where are you? Because the CIA is looking, they know he's in America and they're looking for him. So I thought that was pretty good. Another one is that the group is all draft Dodgers from Vietnam. And the reason they're traveling around the country is because they're on the run from Dodge in the draft.

Ashley: 1:34:45

Okay.

Garret: 1:34:51

Although

Ashley: 1:34:51

I don't know, maybe that's part of the plan. I would have a marketing vehicle, but at the same time, maybe that they're like, clearly they wouldn't drive such an obvious

Aaron: 1:34:59

vehicle. Like the transformers are hiding in plain sight, you know, so, but wasn't there a piece on, on the, on the Mr. Machine,

Garret: 1:35:08

maybe

Ashley: 1:35:08

flowers,

Garret: 1:35:09

for sure.

Aaron: 1:35:10

So another one is that, Scooby snacks are actually steroid filled biscuits that give him superpowers. I don't know. I was thinking

Ashley: 1:35:19

maybe we brownies, but sure. Yeah. Yeah.

Aaron: 1:35:22

I said, cause Fred is like the leader of the group and always wants to drive, even though the, Mr. Machine is actually. But they're saying that Shaggy's too high to drive. So Fred's like the all-time D D

Garret: 1:35:34

C. That's a good, that's a PSA right there.

Ashley: 1:35:38

They

1:35:38

were

Aaron: 1:35:38

responsible. I got a couple more that, so one of the one that was funny was that shaggy is actually captain America's son. His name is Norville Rogers, Steve Rogers. And that he actually has super powers. Good. And they said that he is probably actually a word. But he's too stone to realize sometimes every now and then, like he does stuff that humans shouldn't do. you know, so, yeah, they said that, every episode is actually just one really bad acid trip. and then the last one is that the Scooby gang is actually a Colt and they travel around from town to town recruiting for their Colt. I just thought it was funny.

Ashley: 1:36:20

So it worked, they made$10

Aaron: 1:36:22

billion. how do I join?

Ashley: 1:36:28

We're already joined guys. We're talking about it 40 years

Aaron: 1:36:31

later. So that's my Scooby-Doo honk. I thought that was

Ashley: 1:36:37

no, I always make so many notes. I'm like, where does he find it? Yeah. I think you have a secret stash of something

Aaron: 1:36:44

we'll, we'll definitely put a lot of these links in our show notes. Make sure you're checking out all of our social media and please leave us some good stories, comments, anything,

Ashley: 1:36:55

I want to hear your memories of when you first saw some of these. And, I agree if you have any suggestions because we're doing a whole line of Saturday morning cartoons. I know when I ask people Scooby-Doo was one that everybody mentioned, but have ones that you want to bump it to the top,

Aaron: 1:37:09

voted up?

Ashley: 1:37:10

And then Damn is Judy.

Aaron: 1:37:17

The villain really is.

Ashley: 1:37:22

that's all I got. Okay,