You Remind me of the Babe.
What Babe?
Join us as we zig zag through the magical world of Labyrinth!
As Promised! Links from the show!
Labyrinth Official Trailer
Recipes
Labyrinth Recipes | Nostalgic (ournostalgicpodcast.com)
Drinking Game Idea: (you can always create your own)
After 12: The Lush Labyrinth Drinking Game! - RandomOverload
Jennifer Connelly Music Videos:
JENNIFER CONNELLY sings 'Ai No Monologue' in 1986 Japanese Technics commercial - YouTube
Roy Orbison - I Drove All Night (Official Video) - YouTube
Joe Satriani - Always With Me, Always With You (Official HD Video) - YouTube
Duran Duran - Union Of The Snake (Official Music Video) - YouTube
Get your own worm or Ludo to snuggle
You Remind me of the Babe.
What Babe?
Join us as we zig zag through the magical world of Labyrinth!
As Promised! Links from the show!
Labyrinth Official Trailer
Recipes
Labyrinth Recipes | Nostalgic (ournostalgicpodcast.com)
Drinking Game Idea: (you can always create your own)
After 12: The Lush Labyrinth Drinking Game! - RandomOverload
Jennifer Connelly Music Videos:
JENNIFER CONNELLY sings 'Ai No Monologue' in 1986 Japanese Technics commercial - YouTube
Roy Orbison - I Drove All Night (Official Video) - YouTube
Joe Satriani - Always With Me, Always With You (Official HD Video) - YouTube
Duran Duran - Union Of The Snake (Official Music Video) - YouTube
Get your own worm or Ludo to snuggle
And I'm Aaron and welcome to nostalgic. Welcome friends. This is our first official podcast. We're excited. We know the first one. Wasn't perfect, but we hope you enjoyed it we just want to create a podcast where it just feels like you're having conversations with your friends or your family about, all the rad things of the eighties and nineties. Conversations that we would be having anyway. So we figured let's just go ahead and record them. just A little warning. If you're looking for, expert analysis or professional breakdowns of films, this might not be the podcast for you. Ash, What's up? Yeah. We are not movie critics We just know what we love. We're having a blast doing this, has it been more difficult than you expected or
Ashley:Like, I see people who just go on and record and they make it look so easy and the technical side has kicked my butt for sure.
Aaron:Yeah, I think the most difficult part of me is. Not dropping an F bomb on here sorry, mom.
Ashley:we have a fun idea to do dubbing later, so hopefully we'll get that in the works.
Aaron:All right. I say we get into it and let's rock this thing.
Ashley:What are we doing for first episode?
Aaron:Labyrinth. The magical world.
Ashley:Let me ask you something. When you were writing notes, did you have problems, spelling, labyrinth. Cause every time I could not spell it until I started doing"Laby Rinth" in my head, And then I got it. Spell check. I was like"No.""No""NO!".
Aaron:Yeah. I said,"This has to be a word. Right?"
Ashley:Or the I go here? Does I go here? Is it labyrinth?
Aaron:You are not alone on that friend. Labyrinth was released June 1986. And it runs for an hour and 41 minutes. budget was 25 million, but it only made about three and a half million on the opening weekend
Ashley:they spent all of that budget on puppets making.
Aaron:On puppets or David Bowie's Cod piece or his songs!
Ashley:Oh Yeah, I meant his
Aaron:musical talent....
Ashley:Uh, a shining CoStar.
Aaron:This movie was written and directed by Jim Henson with help from the legend George Lucas. Hey-OOOOO
Ashley:I'm gonna assume that people know who Jim Henson is, but I don't know why I'm assuming that it was a long time ago. He is not alive anymore. So if you have seen the likes of the Muppets Sesame street, the dark crystal Fraggle rock, and there's actually a bunch of TV shows on his IMDB that I'm now going to go back and watch that I've haven't seen, so if you've seen anything puppet and major screen know, Jim Henson,
Aaron:Did he do Alf? Stumped? Ya? I don't know. I always heard that. You're not supposed to ask questions that you don't know the answer to yourself. So probably just committed podcast crime
Ashley:And the thing is, My instinct says that Alpha's not a complicated enough puppet to be a Jim Henson thing because his are so realistic. And once we get into the hoggle and stuff, you're going to realize Alf is kind of a generic, but I love Alf. Oh, but he's a little basic. I do have something I want to bring up too is. Have you seen the dark crystal before?
Aaron:That's what I've never seen. so when we do a new one I can give a good, first time review on their side. I've never seen it before.
Ashley:I have a theory that whatever movie you've seen first, whether it's the dark crystal or labyrinth it is your preferred one over the other one. so for me, every time I say, I love labyrinth. People are like Oh have you seen the Dark Crystal, I would love to do a poll on social media that says which one you saw first and which one you prefer to backup my theory or bunk my theory because I am labyrinth all the way and dark crystal, I know they're by the same person, I didn't even put them together. But curious what people think about
Aaron:a good poll for our listeners on our social media follow us. Okay. Back into it. this movie was filmed in England. The opening scene was in New York, but the rest of the film was made in England. I was really surprised when I figured that out. I thought it was probably Germany, with all the brought worse than Wiener schnitzel that David bow was packing around.
Ashley:It's I'm like Germany? It's very English. It's like rainy Got set up.
Aaron:Uh, I just wanted to give a disclaimer. I am a happily married heterosexual male, but I give credit where credit's due and, the package is impressive in this film. So you may hear me reference it multiple times,
Ashley:well, I noticed when I was making my notes that. Admittedly, David Bowie was my first crush and so his androgynous can you say androgynousness? androgynousness... His androgyny, was a little confusing causehe's feminine, but also a lot of rockers were then, but then I was like, maybe it's because he's wagging his piece in front of my face.the whole time and it made me have funny feelings, you know, I I was young. so Anyway. Yeah. He, hiswang is going to be a topic of some conversation. they dangled the carrot.
Aaron:That's a great way of saying, yeah. Speaking of Bowie, AKA Siggy star dust. he is one of the main stars he was born David, Robert Jones. I don't know if you knew that or not.
Ashley:I did not,
Aaron:but you know why he changed it? He didn't want to be confused with David Jones from the monkeys. See, we're having fun. And we're learning at the same time. he did pass away in 2016. most people remember him from, besides his music, but his acting career the younger generation will remember him as Lord Royal Highness from SpongeBob.
Ashley:Okay. So legit, my notes for David Bowie say, how does one summarize the career of David Bowie? I'm overwhelmed in the most joyful way possible. I didn't even write anything about David Bowie. I'm hoping you got me covered
Aaron:I got you. At 17, Bowie founded"The Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Long-Haired Men"
Ashley:Is that why you're growing your hair out? I get it now! It
Aaron:Could be thator that after he passed away a lock of his hair recently sold for$18,750.
Ashley:and only selling on marketplace.
Aaron:Only fans. few more interesting facts He started the downloadable song revolutions he had the first downloadable song in 1996. And He declined to be knighted from the crown of England before he passed away.
Ashley:did he say why he refused to be known?
Aaron:No, I couldn't figure anything out about that, but maybe he was just too cool.
Ashley:Yeah. You just want to be like, nah, I'm David Bowie.
Aaron:I think turning down The crown would be like a whole lot, like more metal.
Ashley:did he live here? Cause can you live in England after you've turned down the crown?? Maybe He, inspired, Harry to like stand he's like, well, we did it
Aaron:maybe
Ashley:Brexit.
Aaron:so Before they pick Bowie this film could have been completely different. Do you know anybody else that could have been in this film instead of him?
Ashley:I looked it upbecause Dustin and I had an entire conversation about it earlier. So I saw Michael Jackson, Prince and(swagger) prince Michael Jackson, it wasn't Jagger! There was another one,
Aaron:Michael Jackson, prince and Mick Jagger. We're all considered to play the goblin king. Oh! and Sting! They were looking at Sting also.
Ashley:Sting! That's who it was! I think The biggest thing is the music, you have to think of their musical styles because he wrote the music for this movie. if prince did it, it would be real funky and like, guitars. And it's just different. And Michael Jackson, I just can't even see like him with a bunch of puppets with that little kid.
Aaron:Yeah. Those, jokes would write themselves we'll just continue on. So young Sarah was played by Jennifer Connelly which is she's 51. now. That just blows my mind
Ashley:She is ageless to me. 150 girls had auditioned for it. like Helena Bonham, Carter she read it in England, but then they decided they wanted an American actress. And so they did, Jane Krakowski from 30 rock, sarah Jessica Parker, Laura Dern, Allie Sheedy. There's a huge list. Marissa Tomei.
Aaron:I also had Yeah Marissa Tomei. Uh, oh, Molly Ringwald! I didn't have Molly. Yeah. I could see her with her resting face. Aw! Who else do you have? Yasmine Bleeth and Mia Sar ah was one.
Ashley:I don't know who Mia Sarah is.
Aaron:Yes you do! Ferris Bueller's Day Off. Legend
Ashley:oh,his girlfriend? Oh, I do know Mia Sara. I don't think I knew that was her name. Two first names.
Aaron:She was 14 when she accepted this role and this was her first acting role.
Ashley:okay. First of all, she's 14 playing a 16 year old, but when she interviews, she sounds like she's going on 30. I mean, she's so demure. As soon as Jim Henson met, Jennifer Connelly, within a week. He was like, she's the one she's at.
Aaron:Do you know what she did before
Ashley:music videos. She's done three music videos. that was, the rabbit hole I went down. When I started looking at her MDB, was what are all these music videos that she's in? It was fun. she had some uncredited roles as"underground cult member" in Duran Duran Union of the Snake We're going to link it in the show notes. It is like mad max meets. I don't know I was going to say labyrinth, I actuallycouldn't find Jennifer Connolly in it because when I was watching it I was like, what am I watching? But the best one that she was in is Roy Orbison. I drove all night. Did you watch that one?
Aaron:I've heard a song. I've never seen the video though.
Ashley:It's her and Brandon Presley,from 90210 Is his name Brandon Presley? Jason Presley? JASON PRIESTLEY!.
Aaron:Slippin
Ashley:!Yup. I get it Brandon. And the name of the show. So it's Jennifer Connelly and Jason Priestley. And it is so nineties, they're both wearing white t-shirts and these mom jeans and leather jackets. And it's just him riding all night to hang out with Jennifer Conley. He's very at a peak of"Brandon-ry" 90210-y, ya know? handsome. blue eyes.
Aaron:So after this movie, she went on to do the Rocketeer and she won an Oscar for her performance in a beautiful mind.
Ashley:I actually forgot about the Rocketeer So it was the lead in that Was it Dean Cain? Why do I think it's Dean Cain?
Aaron:I don't know.
Ashley:Where did I get that?
Aaron:Um, oh no. Bill Campbell
Ashley:.Who the heck is Bill Cambpell?
Aaron:I have no idea, but he does look like Dean Cain.
Ashley:All right. Maybe that's where I got that.
Aaron:Um, the main role when I think of her is this movie and Requiem for a Dream
Ashley:yeah. Then I had house of sand and fog, because I read that book and the book blew my mind. Um, so it's, slow the book just start and it builds up, but when you get to the end of your life, it's a thing
Aaron:I'm digging it. She also attended Yale and Stanford for drama and some acting. She speaks multiple languages, including French and Japanese.
Ashley:Right. I did see that. I read earlier and it was assumed that she spoke Japanese because she put out a song in Japan, but she didn't actually speak full G or something like that. Two songs.
Aaron:Yeah. Whose songs on the charts in Japan. So what I read and you might be right, is that she spoke Japanese, but that goes with what you're saying, that they assumed it was Japanese, because she did put out two singles in Japan.
Ashley:have not done any research on that. That was just something I read earlier. And I wasn't even going to talk about, so you started talking about languages and I was like, I can bring it up. oh, I know her from recently is we watchedSnow Piercer. I did not watch the movie with, I think it was Chris Evans, but, the one with, what's his name? Daveed Diggs is really good.
Aaron:I've seen either. Um, one final fact I had that the movie Heathers was actually written for her in mind.
Ashley:I had that in my random trivia.
Aaron:Do you know who took her place?
Ashley:no. Who is it? Was in Winona Ryder? Uh, yeah, Wynona really crushed it, that her and Christian Slater as a couple is
Aaron:just one of those things where, you just can't imagine it.
Ashley:Yeah. And happened how it was supposed to happen. I could see her as one of the Heathers, but I can't see her with Wynona Ryder's role. So thanks, Jennifer. Sorry. I'm sure you had a good reason.
Aaron:The next thing I have on my list, six degrees of Kevin bacon. Are we still doing that?
Ashley:Yeah, I mean, I didn't know when we were going to do it, but I definitely want to.
Aaron:I put it after casting, so
Ashley:wait, Do people know what six degrees of Kevin Bacon is?
Aaron:That's what I was getting read to say.? I guess we should probably
Ashley:Cause what I put here, on my notes,, is explain everything like we're in a game show, like, Hey, we're going to play this game. What the game is, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. You know, so I guess I felt like, yeah. Okay. So if you would like to explain six degrees of Kevin bacon, because I didn't know what it was dustin's actually the one that told me about it. And I was like, I've never heard of it's really old because I just IMDB everything for someone to be able to do it withoutIMDB is very impressive to me because I would just be like,"I'm gonna look it up."
Aaron:Now we get spoiled there's this so many different things to now. Yeah. So I guess the game is based around every person on the earth is connected by six degrees of separation. That's supposedly rules. So the game is six degrees of Kevin bacon. You have to name an actor and then get to Kevin Bacon in six"moves" or"degrees", or less.
Ashley:And everyone has worked with Kevin bacon. He is Hollywood royalty.
Aaron:Right? These ones were pretty easy. when we go forwardI think we'll try to pick the harder characters, you know, and try to do it I only went with, Jennifer Conley and David Bowie, but in the future, because most of the movies that we do will be mainly actors and not puppets. for instance, Jennifer Conley played in a beautiful mind with ed Harris. Ed Harris was in Apollo 13 with Kevin bacon. So that's two degrees, pretty easy
Ashley:I mean, they're big actors that have been around since the eighties
Aaron:like I want to do. And I actually did just to kind of play around like the maid in The Goonie s. You know, the most like, you know, and then kind of do it like that, which actually was easier than what you think it would be. But, and then the second one data Bowie was in zoo Lander with Ben Stiller. Ben Stiller was with Robert DeNiroand in"Meet the Parents". And DeNirowas in sleepers with Kevin bacon. So three degrees, very easy, but this is a good way to introduce what we plan on doing in the future,
Ashley:easy peasy, so I had, other main characters in the show, you know, other human care, I guess when I wanted to say which I put only two, one is Toby, so Toby was Brian Froud, who is the concept designer, son, and his actual name was Toby. That was, just because they needed to get his attention. A lot of times, I think, Brian was getting a lot of crap for being like, oh my God, I can't believe we werescared your son and He put them on the set with all these scary puppets and then he ended up being a puppeteer. So if you guys would worry about that, Toby's okay. Or he was like, you know what? Puppet scared the crap out of me. And I'm just going to step into that fear and maybe got some good therapy. alsohis outfit was inspired by Alison Wonderland. They pick the red and white, cause the puppets in the set was really dark and it would make him really,
Aaron:a fact that I had that Toby wasn't scared of the puppets at all, the way they had to make him cry, was to get him real tired and wait until he was cranky. he wasn't scared of the puppets at all.
Ashley:Okay. Cause so this might be a child labor thing, but this was the eighties and yeah. Getting really tired. I would be cranky too. I"m always cranky it's kind of a random note, but this reminded me of that for some reason. So the dude, and I know I'm not going to remember his name right now and I'm going to get, rammed for it. But the dude who did Coraline, his name is Neil was talking about how he wrote that book a long time ago. So it's a movie, but it started out as a book and how parents were like, thisbook is too scary for kids. And what ended up being the kids, weren't afraid. They knew the Coraline was going to get out of it. They knew it was going to end well. And so he was like, well it's not over-parenting but he was like, it was almost like the parents thought it was too much and they were more scared of it than the kids. And that was just really a strange, observation that it's maybe the puppets aren't scary to the kids, but because we're like, oh my gosh, that's scary. Then the kids make our reaction. You know what I mean? So I thought that was interesting he was like, no, it's not scary. I mean, a kind of less scary. to then be seen it when she goes in and it's got the button eyes and they're like, like it's creepy. But he said that kids were not afraid. They loved the book and it was the parents who were doing the shine away from it,
Aaron:well, that's just kind of like, if a kid falls off his bike, the first thing he does is looks at his parents to see how they're reacting. And if the parents are freaking out, then the kid starts freaking out.
Ashley:Yeah. But you know what? I took that as from, you don't know if it was, our parents were, was ignore it. So then they got to the point where kids would get hurt and I would just ignore it. And that is also not you need to acknowledge it, but in a way that's checking in, because I just was like, don't look at the kid if he's hurting, you know? And then it's oh, well I'm hurt, but nobody's responding. So you can go too far with it too. Yeah.Just FYI something later, I was like, oh, you don't ignore it completely. You just have to regulate your response. Say it a lot. Growing up in the eighties, we aren't going to have one about parenting too. So.
Aaron:All right. That's pretty much all I have before the movie. Unless you had anything else we can get rolling in it.
Ashley:Except for,"No one can blame you, for walking away...". I'm just trying to start the movie out too much.
Aaron:Okay. So the movie starts with Ashley's singing Oh, wait a minute. We need to go to our, summaries almost forgot, do we have first time watching
Ashley:power I really don't. I feel like labyrinth has always been a part of my life. And I don't remember the first time I watched it I think I so much that it's just always been there for me.
Aaron:Yeah. The same thing. I don't remember the first time. It's just always a memory that I have from as far as I can remember.
Ashley:One thing I can say, that's really weird. And I don't know if it's like this for you. Is watching it when in this, this could qualify for most of these, but I think specifically to Jennifer Conley, how we were talking about her, is I watched it and she was way older than me. And it's weird to go now to her being so young and thinking like, wow, she's a teenager. There's something about seeing her not aging. And now being almost 40 and watching her in his little baby face, it's such a weird perspective shift for me.
Aaron:I think we're going to run across that with a lot of movies that we, rewatch
Ashley:agreed. And I know we've talked about this, but it would be so weird to watch Goonies for the first time now, because one of the cool things about it is you're like this could be our gang and we're the same age and now it's weird watching them.
Aaron:the DVD summary.
Ashley:if you were to have rented this back in the day, this is what it would say on the back of the VHS, yeah, this would, be on the back of the box atBlockbuster.. you know, back in the day you would go to the blockbuster or the Hollywood movie or
Aaron:Brodax. California throwback!
Ashley:Grew up in California, Pennsylvania.
Aaron:A small town in Pennsylvania called California
Ashley:and that still exists and looks very the same. yeah. So when you were going into your Brode ax, you would scan the Isles, in the movies on like a little rag and there the cases, but not the movie, more where they, the actual movies then before it was the boxes. Okay. So they were just the boxes and you take the box up to the counter and you give it to them and then they give you a case if the movie in it and this, and what you would have read when you were choosing your movie,
Aaron:grab a box, turn around and read babysitting infants, that brother Toby on a weekend night, isn't young Sarah's idea of. Frustrated by his crying. She secretly imagines the goblins from her favorite book, labyrinth carrying Toby away. When her fantasy comes true, a distraught, Sarah must enter a maze of illusion to bring Toby back from a kingdominhabited by mystical creatures and governed by the wicked goblin king.
Ashley:Would you have rented this movie? I mean, obviously we did, you want to pick it up now and you went it.
Aaron:Um, If I saw this description on Netflix, I probably wouldn't watch it.
Ashley:Yeah. I felt like I'd have to be in a mode. Am I going to queue, you know, the queue we talked about last time? Like it might go in the queue and one day I might feel a little mystical.
Aaron:I've definitely scrolled past movies like this.
Ashley:If it's a cast David Bowie, that would be kicker. If there were. Prince. If there were Michael Jackson, I probably really wouldn't do it. Did he ever do a movie? I've never, if they were Michael's seventies, son, I would have a
Aaron:He had a video game...moonwalker
Ashley:We'll talk about that in our video game next to what Okay..
Aaron:Mo if that summary was to be rewritten in real time, how do you think it would sound? So we rewrote it if it were to be written today and a little more updated Jareth is a lonely middle-aged rocker with a bad wig, huge piece and only goblins as friends is seeking human connection. Enter teenage loner with daddy issues, Sarah, in order to get Sarah's attention. Jared sticks, Sarah, and an Oubliette to be forgotten, and also tries to make her chronic order while committing blatant child abuse and neglect.
Ashley:If you were renting it today, that would be your, uh, you do watch them and that's it. That's that's the script's on Netflix right there.
Aaron:So I guess, that's a very interesting way to, meet ladies.
Ashley:Yeah. Like I love you. I'm going to get out of your brother. I would swipe righton the Jareth. The Jareth King.
Aaron:We, have the actual movie trailer, which we will link in the show notes.
Ashley:You could definitely get you I'm like marrying words. So I was going to say YouTube, or you Google it. You can do a, or you can use Google it, but yeah.
Aaron:I'm sure there is a goo tube you probalby don't want to look up
Ashley:Oh yeah. All right. Don't do to anything. Don't go too. Don't Google.goo tubeOkay.
Aaron:All right. So we start the movie with young Sarah she's dressed in princess attire and she's reading LInes from a play in a book called labyrinth the clock bell rings. And she realizes how light she is to get home
Ashley:Berlin.
Aaron:Speaking of Merlin. you'll see Merlin later as Ambrosius you know what kind of dog he is?
Ashley:Oh! A sheep dog?
Aaron:English. Sheep, dog. Very good. Yeah.
Ashley:and you may have beach on this, but I heard that they picked that dog so they could make a easy puppet out of it later because he did get puppeteered. So they were like, okay, we need one lots of Burr. And you'll see later that it's an obvious target, but it's honestly, it makes it so fun that it's that obvious.
Aaron:Yeah. You can tell. So if you notice anybody lurking while she was reading, no,
Ashley:are you being serious?. And you talking about the owl?
Aaron:We're just talking about,
Ashley:I was like Okay. Imagine Bowie trying to learn and she's like, listen, I can see your wig. It's like now I'm picturing him like standing behind a tree and it's just like the blonde wig,
Aaron:who who's logging. And I'm like, it'sthe owl! we just talked about.
Ashley:That's where my mind went. maybe I missed a goblin
Aaron:Technically it is David Bowie in owl form.
Ashley:Okay. So my thing about the owlthat I did not know until I was reading this was that legit. He was the first digital, animal ever, so Jim Henson made a CGI animal before. It was the thing to do. And one of the things I read was eventually CGI would replace puppets. So it is kind of weird that he would do that because it ended up replacing his passion. but I just thought that was so cool that it was one of those firsts, like you said earlier with them. first downloaded song. Digital song. Yep. Yeah. I was like open to first now. That's cool.
Aaron:Yes. Kind of like training your replacement at work,
Ashley:yeah, you really think about it, then you could still be the puppet master because it's like, well, who else does puppets? Like I do. You know? So that might've been like a clever move
Aaron:True.
Ashley:We have confirmed.
Aaron:So they race home and it starts to pour down rain We'll get to the house. And Sarah, step-mom the evil step-mom, won't let muddy old Marlin in the house. Which enrages? Sarah in Sarah's room, it shows her putting on lipstick and looking through a scrapbook, which in the book is actually her mother, but it doesn't really say that it's just implied in the movie.
Ashley:I have to read the book. Now I need to know all these details. I wish I would've done it before this, and I could have chimed in on that stuff, but I might do a follow-up also her room is a major foreshadowing. I mean, you look around that thing I think I noticed some of it when I watch it, but it's just all over.
Aaron:Pretty much everything in the movie isdefinitley foreshadows. There's, a couple Jareth dolls on her desk. Hoggles in there The room with all the stairs and, Is that the Escher? Painting, uh, yes, or something. Yeah. we'll go with that I didn't know how to pronounce that, so I didn't put that in. so when you watch this, you can definitely see all the character. You can see, the cleaners in there.
Ashley:where the cleaners? Did you see them, or did you read this and you haven't looked yet?
Aaron:it says that there is a small painting on her wall that depicts a contraption much like the one operated by the cleaners. Yep. And it is Asher. You are correct. So next time you watch definitely check out her room and you'll be able to see all kinds of swell things. Yeah. I do like super slow-mo. Yep. So, Sarah gets all pissed off because she has to watch a little bro while her parents go gallivant and all over town on the Saturday night. Sarah's in a bad mood and she wishes the goblin king would come take Toby away. she says the magic words just as a storm is brewing and
Ashley:sorry. So as you're going over this here, the movie, so all I want to do is just say here and like the, of the whole time.
Aaron:They don't want to watch a movie. They just want to hear us quoted. So the balcony doors bust open introducing Jareth with his black Cape skin, tight pants and his very large........hair. Yeah. So
Ashley:can't stop picturing it can you?. Alright, moving
Aaron:on. Jareth informed Sarah that he has taken Toby to his castle and that he will become a goblin in 13 hours. Sarah tries to convince him that she didn't mean it.
Ashley:What did she say? It's not fair there.
Aaron:No, not yet. We don't hear her. It's not fair. But Bowie responds with, what's said, it said,
Ashley:yeah, Forget the baby
Aaron:So This is also the first time that we see Jaris package and it's glass ball. Did you see in the making about how he juggles these balls?
Ashley:I did. It's a dude. Who is he? A juggler early on. If you're juggling a bowl hand, he handles balls for a living. He got paid a lot of money. Yeah. If I could, I would, I didn't know that was an option,
Aaron:well, I got some good advice. One time, it said to find what you love to do, get really good at it and find a way to make money doing it. So handling
Ashley:awesome So, I didn't actually explain. There is a famous juggler that stands behind David Bowie and they have clad him in an outfit like baggy with the Cape so he can stick his arm through and he's doing it blindly, which he said in theMaking Of that Bowie was is very patient with him because it did take a long time to get it right when you're not seeing what you're doing and you're doing it behind someone crouched down. So you can't actually be seen Is there anything,
Aaron:that's it? You nailed it. Yeah. So he tells her about the labyrinth and what she needs to do and She replies with it. Doesn't look that hard. Uh, of course she does. That's what she said. I am not. That's what she said, her I'm a volleyer up for that. That's what she said. It's like, I just don't like the park. So stairs, whisked away to the entrance of the labyrinth where we meet Hoggle being in the goblins water supply, water supply. I don't know. It was just a reservoir. somebody has got a drink that, you know, so yeah. So in the original script, it really had Sarah, entering the goblin dimension by grabbing Jared's mantle as he flees away. That was in the book. It probably is. There's a whole nother scene in between this part, in that part. That was rewritten. It was rewritten. So It's not like the director's cut where I can go find it. It was in the original, actual script and the original meeting in the house also, was a little more elaborate and had him kind of creepier, um, with an ugly. Totally just said a labyrinth, not elaborate, oh my gosh, you just made a new word. I'm gonna start singing. we'll get back to it. So Sarah sees Hoggle and Hoggle sees Sarah and you know, It was actually, oh, it's you? Yeah, that's kind of usually what people say when they see me like, oh,
Ashley:oh my God. I'm loved. And I'm going to keep talking about it. So y'all just need to watch it. The, in the making of I'm pretty sure it was Jim Henson's son the voice of Hoggle and watching him do it Kind of like when you see the Simpsons or cartoons where it's like Peter Griffin and they're real, it was so fun to watch him doHoggle's voice. Cause. I don't know what I felt called to look like, but it wasn't like him
Aaron:Yeah. Hoggle was actually voiced by Brian Henson, which is Jim Henson's son. So you were on that. and, Kind of an interesting fact, this movie was being filmed next to legend, which is another one that I think we're going to do.
Ashley:With me as Sarah, now that I know.
Aaron:So get this, Brian Henson met Mia, Sarah, while they were filming this. And two years later they were married.
Ashley:Labyrinth brings lovers together. I don't, I don't know why I said that. But that's just you know, both of those movies are magical.
Aaron:Yeah. I was going to say rut. Nevermind. Anyways. Okay. you were talking about Hoggle and the puppeteers and how complex they were.
Ashley:Well, Hoggle and the first place, is a little person named Sherry.
Aaron:Yeah. So she was the one that was inside the suit.
Ashley:well, the thing I had because she was a little person Hoggle had a really big head and she had little tiny hands. So they gave her hand extenders and she had to learn to grab things with her hands. And then a lot of the noises, the Hoggle makes is legit so she can see because she can only see through his mouth. So sometimes has like making all those noises it's just so she can see where she's going.
Aaron:And the reason they have a making groaning noises was to keep his mouth open as much as possible. So she could look out
Ashley:yeah, she's going out a blind man.
Aaron:Butfour puppeteers controlled the 18 motors in his face,
Ashley:like his features as micro-expressions and we're talking they had to work together to do eyebrows looking left, looking right. Smiling, laughing, all the things that hobbled does.
Aaron:Yeah.
Ashley:I can't imagine how many hours they put in on for me expressions. Like it's just the little I saw the thing. It was like a little remote controls and it was it wasn't tense.
Aaron:So actually Hoggle the puppet mechanism got lost on the airplane and remained undiscovered until it turned up at the unclaimed baggage center in Scottsboro, Alabama. When they opened it up, they were like, what is this thing? Can you imagine being a worker open up a crate and seeing Hoggle? the Hoggle costume was actually on display in their unclaimed baggage museum.
Ashley:I wonder if there's a picture of that
Aaron:I want to go there. So after seeing Hoggle, peeing, there's some foreshadowing going on here because if you look on the back of his jacket if you look really closely you can see another face foreshadowing that he's two faced, So after some Hoggle and teenage arguing algal sets or let Sarah in the labyrinth. When she gets inside, she goes straight Forrest Gump and just starts Runnin. I
Ashley:felt like running.
Aaron:So she runs and she runs and Finally gets tired of running and she hears a voice.
Ashley:I'm so excited.
Aaron:Yup. So she meets a worm. One of the most favorite.
Ashley:I got a stuffed animal. This is their stuff in was somewhere. We need to look that up. If not,. We need to make one, I'm making all these notes. I do want to say something. About the worm. That's going to be a theme throughout. And that is that Terry Jones was brought on board and Terry Jones from Monty Python. and I'm going to get my button handed to me, cause I haven't seen the money by thumbs, but I know what they are and who is in them. but Terry Jones spread on to do the script and a lot of the humorous, very English parts are going to be his doing so the worm, when we get to the rocks, when we get to, Weldon and his head, probably the door knockers, anything like that, where there's this back and forth banter, that's making it fun. And what I really do feel like was missing from the dark crystal, you know, this just one banter was probably the work of Terry Jones. I love all of the things that he had a hand in., those made the movie for me. This is a good time to bring it up because when you're watching the movie, you think about any of these funny bantery parts and you think Monty Python-esque
Aaron:I love it. Great. So after speaking with the worm he invites her inside to come meet the Mrs. Yeah. he shows her a hidden entrance and she starts to run down one way and he tells her, no, no, no. If you go in the wrong way, question, why did he tell her not to run that way?
Ashley:And she would've kept going that way? She would have gone straight to the castle. the goblins are bad. So He was trying to keep her from going straight to the castle because maybe he didn't know her destination.
Aaron:Maybe. So, So we cut to the castle where Jareth has Toby on his lap and surrounded by his goblin friends,Jareth' s mad, because Sarah has already made it farther than she should have and he thought she should already have given up by now So what does he do? He busted into song and dance. He does what we all would do. Yeah.
Ashley:this seems like a time to warrant that, he's went straight. It, she's making it through the Laffer and he's not going to be able to keep me forever. So why not dance with them? Right.
Aaron:Dance magic.. The dance magic scene was one of the most difficult scenes to film. There were over 48 puppets, 52 puppeteers, eight people in goblin costumes
Ashley:and it was a little people, they were on cables to make them jump.
Aaron:all right. I got a question. finish these lyrics. Put that magic, jump on me. Slap that baby. Make him what? Free. I always thought it was Pee
Ashley:I did think that when we were younger or maybe I just thought I was funny that it would say that this is child abuse. Like he's throwing them in the air. slapping him. And what does it mean making him free as I want to be free, he wants me to be a gobble. So I don't really, I know David wrote this. I would like to get into his brain and be like, why are we making him free free of what is it free of Sarah Maybe he thinks that turning him into a goblin IS making him free.
Aaron:So in the same, if you're looking for, appearances by always bowls, uh, this is one of the scenes where it's really prevalent. Yeah. This
Ashley:is like,
Aaron:it should have been magic pants.
Ashley:well, he also does like that hip move where he's
Aaron:I don't blame him. I'd be doing this.
Ashley:I was mad.
Aaron:is there. So, Toby was a doll in this. You can definitely tell.
Ashley:you know, what it reminds me of is, married with children and they would always have bud fall off something and it would be an obvious, dummy. And it just, I think it was so overly, I was like, his arms are flapping upreal funny, but you can tell us a doll even though I know that's not what they were. Maybe I know everything else is so realistic that this would just be a, we didn't know that.
Aaron:Yeah. You think they could've done a little bit better or even CGI back then they have,
Ashley:Do the first CGI baby. So while there are dance magic dancing in the castle, Sarah is still trying to navigate her way through the labyrinth. I'm sorry to interrupt about two minutes on dance, dance, magic dance. One of them was that because Toby, we talked about like how good of a kid he was that they didn't even get him to cry. Bowie is actually the one that made the little kid in gurgling noises in that. And his Sceptre that he's dancing around with is actually a microphone because. They said that the set was almost like Swiss cheese without all the puppets. And it was really hard to make it, cause there was all the movement, everything. So to get my close to him, his Sceptre actually has a microphone in it. so that was a fun fact
Aaron:his sector was actually named the swagger stick.
Ashley:Are you being serious?.
Aaron:No, I'm dead serious. Yeah. when I saw a swagger stick, I thought they were talking about the thing in his pants yeah, no, it was actually,, called it when they were on set. It was supposed to be designed to look like a microphone also. Okay. Well partying and kicking in the castle and Sarah's still out grinding and she comes to two doors with red and blue creatures carrying shields
Ashley:they look like playing cards good and bad left and right. I don't know what their names are.
Aaron:So the top GARS are Alfin Ralph and the bottom ones were originally named Alf B and Ralph B. They changed them to Jim and Tim later on in the script.
Ashley:All of the goblins have names. so Brian, the concept guy, when you see the scene where they're like, we're doing her, like, she's going to say the words, every single one of us has a name he's named all of them. You never hear any of them. But I was like, dude, that is some detail. It's just, it takes it to another level. Yep. Okay. So they come to the door,
Aaron:And they explained that one door leads to the castle and one door leads to certain death, so after some, questionable logic,
Ashley:I liked the one that says I've never understood it. And I was like, that's how I felt. Just let her do her thing.
Aaron:Yeah. she chooses the right. so the first time when she was speaking to the worm, she went left, but he talked her into going right this time she chose. Right. Again, seems to be a theme. another thing that you'll hear throughout the movie is she says, it's a piece of cake. So every time you hear her say, it's a piece of cake something bad is going to happen. It does every single time
Ashley:It's kinda how I feel about life? Like you're like, great. And then some shit goes down, just don't say it
Aaron:So there is a labyrinth drinking game. some of the options are, you know, it's a piece of cake, it's not fair, Jaris Wiener. every time it comes on, yeah, you better just do Jared's Wiener on that one because you're going to be doing it a lot. If you're interested, we will pose that in the show notes on how you play the elaborate drinking game. So, she enters the door on the right and she says hey, I'm getting good at this. And she falls into the helping hands. this was also one of the most difficult scenes in the movie to film. there were over 100 pairs of latex hands, for this scene,
Ashley:I don't know that there's ever been another scene in a movie like this, the way that they made the faces. And was that the original idea for some reason I'm in getting a little blip on my radar that maybe that wasn't the original idea for that. And then later it came to them and it just worked. I don't know. It's probably in that making of,
Aaron:We'll check that out and get back with you. This was also one of the most dangerous scenes, especially for Jennifer Conley, because she was on a harness and the way that they had to maneuver it if it would've flipped around or she could have fell out of the harness and fallen at any time,
Ashley:and it's not like the hands are really holding her, Like
Aaron:So he chose damn, that was my next thing in my notes. So they gave her an ultimatum up or down and she chose that.
Ashley:She was already headed that way. her logic is just something else.
Aaron:So after being fondled by the helping hands, she ends up in the Oubliette do you know what ULI it means?
Ashley:It's French.
Aaron:Hoggle kind of describes it. He said, Ooh, that is a place where, people go to forget or to be forgotten. the Oubliette was actually a real thing. It was a dungeon. A narrow and dark hole that was made to increase psychological damage and just to put people to pretty much where they went crazy and started.
Ashley:I was going to say, is it like under castles You know, where I think I heard it recently was but game of Thrones book that I was reading, cause I've never really seen it in anything else besides this. I don't even think I knew it was a real thing. I almost thought it was like a fantasy Jim Henson ism or something
Aaron:Mainly it was used for, people in politics and um, different kinds of prisoners, that sounds terrible.
Ashley:If that was an option though, some people would still use those. No, not me to each their own, but I do feel like in the state of things
Aaron:so Sarah ends up down in the Oubliette and we find Hoggle again Hoggle offers to take her out but she would have to go back to the beginning. You know what she says,
Ashley:she said, but I've come so far.
Aaron:that's exactly it. So Hoggle and Sarah make a deal for Sarah's plastic Blinky bracelet. to help her continue through the labyrinth. As they leave they come to the false alarms who go. they were actually called the phony warnings in the script, but they changed them to the false alarms. I liked the false alarms
Ashley:and sounds like an eighties band Ashley in the false alarms.
Aaron:Yeah. I saw them open up for, Yeah. There you go for it. David Bowie.
Ashley:I've got PRince on the brain.. Cause we were talkingabout him earlier. This is one of my favorite parts this is one that is purposefully is like you could have gone without the scene. You know, This is not bringing the clock forward in any way, but it still brings so much. And I'm going back to that. The Terry Jones isms of but I haven't said it for such a long time and he's like, can I just say it and Hoggle's like fingering, but it won't mean anything. And he's like, oh, I would never expect that. It was, light and fun. Cause I think the Oubliette kind of brings it down when she falls into it and Jared is looking at her, did the glass and she's got that light on her. It looks pretty dark. So this brings us back to oh yeah, we're in the fun and labyrinth, it was A good timing for comedy.
Aaron:after the false alarms they see a glass ball rolling down the ball.
Ashley:sorry,
Aaron:the ball leads them to ahunched over creaturethat ends up being Jared After back and forth with Jared and Hoggle, Pago comes face to face withBowie's bulge whilebegging not to be punished. Oh man.
Ashley:At this point it's in his contract. I need a close up or at least the
Aaron:recent. Yeah. So if you look at 2 24 0 5 on the DVD, you'll see.
Ashley:You know, you don't want to skip through, we've got you covered. It is that's where it's at.
Aaron:so, Jared asks Sarah how's, he's liking his labyrinth Once again, it's a piece of cake. So Jared throws one of his glass balls down the tunnel and you see the cleaners.
Ashley:let's see how you deal with this little slice. Then it does like this cool turn with the ball and then
Aaron:so how would you describe the cleaners?
Ashley:Oh man. A garbage disposal coming at ya. I picture right.
Aaron:That's great, so at the last second they find a weak spot in the wall. Then climb up a ladder and come out in a large pot and they come to one of the most interesting characters in the movie. I couldn't find his real name. It just said bird head. It's so stimulating being in your head.
Ashley:I know it's my favorite, if she realized that she could come up through that tunnel out of a pot check, other earns to see where they go. but then maybe it's just other affiliates. Probably
Aaron:bird head take some of her jewelry and the old man gives him some unwise advice and just goes back to sleep.
Ashley:I'll go points out a good thing. He does not tell him anything. He doesn't know. He's basically like the way forwards the way back the layups, the way to, you know, it's just very, like
Aaron:nonsense, nonsense. So after that Hoggle and Sarah here ruckus behind one of the hedge walls, and they come across a large beast upside down, being tortured by some kind of goblins with sticks and little biting creatures on the end of
Ashley:the sticks, it was a big thing in the making of, on those guys use. Just watch it. It's fun. I know I'm not going to get too far into it, but with the little chippies on it, they remind me of goalies on the end of the sticks. You know what I'm picturing as do you remember on when you and I used to watch Chippendale and Donald duck and he had the, um, the hedge clipper and they thought it was a monster. Yeah. we will have to do a Donald duck one because you and I used to watch, you don't even know was that in Germany? Where did we get all those Donald duck cartoons, but it was Donald duck and Chippendale, like a whole series, the pancake one. So little town, one where they lived in his little miniature village. Yeah. That's going to be a whole nother episode.
Aaron:That'll make them like that.No more. No.
Ashley:All right. So,
Aaron:So they find Ludo, Hoggle, he runs away scared. as Sarah's watching the beast being tortured they make eye contact like a beast and a teenager would, and he lets out a loud roar. as they let out this loud roar, she notices some rocks, roll them up by her feet. So she uses them as a weapon. She throws the rocks and hits some of the little goblins and they started bite each other and they run away.
Ashley:She's going to get an aimI feel like it didn't take her many rocks.
Aaron:Two actually who knew two rocks could do so much damage to a army of goblins with Chomper things on a stick. They're not very smart. You could tell. But, does Ludo have control over, just when he's making the noise in the rocks rolling or is it like, Hey, rock being my friend you know what I mean? question for another day? That's kind of a foreshadow also that Ludo has control of rocks. Right. which will come to play later on in the movie. So the goblins retreat and the beast introduced himself as.
Ashley:He's really cute. You actually want to snuggle with Ludo is this where, things. Aren't always what they seem
This
Ashley:is where this is introduced
Aaron:I think it is, well, no, in the beginning, uh, Hoggle spraying the ferry with bug spray or something and she picks it up and then ferry bites. Yeah.
Ashley:Does, he say things aren't always what they seem in this place because I knew this was a theme also, so this is not the first time I've heard this, but she's using that advice.
Aaron:Now Ludo, his costume was one of the more difficult so there was a puppeteer inside of him. And to see that was a miniature video camera inside Lou dos bright horn. It actually fed a small television monitor mounted inside Ludo stomach.
Ashley:I did not see that in the making I actually didn't know how they saw out of that thing.
Aaron:The original, rig weighed over 100 pounds. and Jim Hanson said that was unacceptable. So he made him go and restart the whole thing. So they got it down to 75 pounds,
Ashley:which is still half of a human being.
Aaron:that's pretty heavy for somebody to wear 75 pounds of gear.
Ashley:There was two guys, two puppeteers that switched out. So two actors he actually only had control over one on. So, if you notice, typically he's not moving both arms. One of them is just a hanging arm because it's a really big thing. And it's got only one normal sized person in there. So, I thought that was pretty good tiring.
Aaron:uh, Ludo, convinces Sarah to let him down. After he's down, they start to maneuver their way through the librarians and they come to another set of doors. each One of these doors has a talking door knocker on it. one that can't hear because the knocking ring is through his ears. No Can't hear you. And the other that can't speak because the knocking ring is in his mouth.
Ashley:knock. And the door will open. I don't know if we were going in explain about taking the thing out of his mouth and him not wanting to take it back, but I was like, should not have done him a solid and open the door and then taken the knocker back out, selfish.
Aaron:Or I kind of feel like I would have opened both doors so she left them just as she found them with the guy and the door knocker in his mouth Yep. So what side do you think the doorknocker was on again,
Ashley:at this point she really has going in a square. If you think about it the labyrinth is shaped like a square though, so
Aaron:yeah, that's just one of the things with the movie. So they enter the door into some creepy evil woods and as they make their way along the path, Ludo disappears out of sight in some kind of hidden trap door he gone, he took an Uber. He'd go. we cut back to Hoggle. He's fleeing still how cowardly and guess who he runs into Gareth. Jared asked if he'd lost his head over a girl. Hoggle goes all. I don't know what it ain't like, I ain't lost my head. I don't know why that about knows, but also have, this question coming from a guy who has been tripping over a 15 year old girl, just just saying. So
Ashley:we just talked about all of the things he did for love. Like he is trying to get Sarah's attention, but he's calling up Hoggle, like jealousy going on,
Aaron:Derek.
Ashley:When Paul's running away, is this the thing they did with the rock where looks like Jared, and then it pans and it ends up being several different rocks. I thought that was really neat.
Aaron:I don't think that was actually in their original. I think they redid that for the DVD is what I read. According to the notes on the DVD they put in seven or eight of those hidden, terrorist.
Ashley:I'm going to look them, but now my notes, I need to look up the seven new. Did you actually search them?
Aaron:No, but, I remember one of them was when they're climbing up the ladder after the cleaners, there's one, there
Ashley:that's like the member in haunting of hill house when he's crawling out of the basement and there's a face isn't like that.
Aaron:No, I just remember that being one of them. It's on ABI and D So, yeah, after some conversation, Jaris tells Hoggle that
Ashley:if she ever kisses, you I'll make you a prince prince
Aaron:of what
Ashley:the bog of eternal status.
Aaron:That's exactly what it is.
Ashley:is the bog of eternal stench. We
Aaron:will find out after that, he gives Hoggle a peach for Sarah to eat,
Ashley:I just found a recipe for these beach cookies that I'm going to post. On our recipe page on podcast.com.
Aaron:So back to Sarah in the woods and we've come to the fire gang, which I didn't know that that's what they recalled until I researched.
Ashley:this was my least favorite part.
Aaron:Yeah. I have in my notes that it really doesn't add anything to the movie.
Ashley:who are the fire
Aaron:gang? A group of orange, very characters that scene while moving their body parts. No problem.
Ashley:Don't come off. So yeah, by far my least favorite, the only thing that I can think of is why they would keep this is did you watch how they did the puppets? Yeah. I have to think that they put so much work into this with Korea I have more respect for this scene or watching have they made it because it is three to four, puppeteers and they are actually attached to the puppets and different parts of their bodies and dancing. They're dressed in black velvet, like almost like green suits. and then there are the green screen. It was impressed with that. Other than that every time I think that fast forward through this scene
Aaron:is impressive to see how they did it, but I'm with you as my least favorite part of the movie. Really?
Ashley:Yeah. It's not bringing any characters that are going to go with us., I felt like even their aesthetics it's different, right? these ones feel moremuppety or Fraggle rock or something. I just, yeah, it just doesn't do it for me.
Aaron:for moving on, they
Ashley:tried to take off her head and her head. Yeah. Yeah. They
Aaron:get too touchy feely, and they start trying to take off Sarah's head. She don't like that. So she takes all their heads and throws them and she takes off running. I don't
Ashley:know what the genius move. I mean, it's hard to find your head if you can't see. Yeah.
Aaron:They said something about you can't punch somebody else's head.
Ashley:Yeah. I forgot about that part. So I fast forward through it.
Aaron:So they catch up with her and they surround. And who comes to the rescue? Hoggle and Ludo.
Ashley:Yeah. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Is Ludo with
Aaron:yes, so when she escapes the fire gang and she makes it up she does the unthinkable. She kisses Hoggle. He's fighting it\ but resistance a few times.
Ashley:Yeah, no means no, Sarah. Geez.
Aaron:So she lands a kiss on his wrinkly head and they do like the Ludo earlier and fall in a hidden trap door and they end up in the bogof eternal stench so describe the bog of eternal stenchit is a moat filled with a green toxic substance. And a lot of fart sounds, which is
Ashley:hilarious. I
Aaron:never really know. The forests are coming from anus, like things inside the moat. I never really got that as a kid.
Ashley:I think, the sounds were funny enough. I don't know if this was on the making of, or if I just read this, but the bog of eternal stench they had considered royally approved air quoting because even prince Charles, would laugh at farts and noises. And they said that if, if prince Charles blasted them, they're still funny. And so they were okay with putting fart noises in the movie
Aaron:farts are always funny. But it is a lot of booty holes in there, but
Ashley:spidery
Aaron:uh, yeah, they almost fall into the bog? Ludo does not approve of came out of a couple places before. And did the Ludo.
Ashley:We talked about the shit that just lasted.
Aaron:Oh yeah. As they navigate their way through putrid bog meet their next ally on the journey to save Toby and his trusty Steed and Brosius, which is Merlin. sir didamus is the bridge keeper and after a quick battle, he allows them to pass.
Ashley:He's a dog has a bad sense of smell I do love him as a character. I think again, he's comic relief because he's a dog who can't smell things, but like can admit that it can't smell it. That's why he lives by the bog of eternal sense.
Aaron:He's oblivious to the smell yeah. He grants them access to the bridge and says he'll join them on the journey, but just so rickety bridge breaks when they're crossing it. And Sarah is almost dunked into the fog
Ashley:booty forever.
Aaron:Okay. All right. Before she falls in, we hear a loud roar. It's Ludo again, he's calls his friends, he lines up a bridge of big rocks to keep Sarah from taking a dip in the fart filled moat Our field fart filled is fun. fart field moat.. I'm over here trying to figure out how can I use that more on a daily They don't work it in. So they're making their way on their journey. And Sarah gets hungry, which I was wondering they don't really eat or go to the bathroom or anything, but maybe they just don't show it.
Ashley:I would love to see little squatting behind a tree,
Aaron:Do Ludo's poop in the woods?
Ashley:Rocks is toilet paper. I can't do that. That's his buddy, he's like,
Aaron:sorry bro. I know I called you here, but he did call them to put them in the bog though. So
Ashley:yeah. You know what I was thinking, they came to the bog, but that. Like the first one rolled down and landed under her. So she could sit down and put the other ones rose out of it. So, yeah, you're right. There was one that like took one for the team. Okay. So she gets hungry.
Aaron:She's hungry and two faced. Hoggle was torn. He doesn't know whether to give her the peach, whether it does not give her the peach. So it gives her the peach. And as soon as she buys into it, she knows something's off.
Ashley:She looks probably to stone right there. She's all. Glassy-eyed
Aaron:Yeah, I call it Jaris party peach I know some people that would pay some pretty good money for, some peaches like that. Yep. So her eyes kind of gloss over and she stares off into the distance. And, she ends up inside of one of Jared's glass balls and some kind of eyes wide shut,, dance party scene.
Ashley:Yeah, the masks are Venetian. I was reading how they want it to make them like the nation royalty this is my favorite one song to scene, but it is, as you watch it, when you're older, there's a lot of things
Aaron:It was actually supposed to be made more risque than it was, but they toned it down,
Ashley:16 y'all it's already weird again, I love the song. I would listen to the song all day, every day, but, it is a little weird I think this is where you realize, he has romantic interest in her. Before you weren't sure.
Aaron:But it's almost like on the playground when you're in the second grade, whenyour mea n to a girl to show her that you like, or, you know,
Ashley:Sure. Yeah, it works,
Aaron:so in the DVD on the making part they said this was one of the easiest scenes in the film to make, because the most difficult things to film are animals, babies, and puppets, which every other scene movie, except for this
Ashley:one, this doesn't seem like it would be easy because they still have the choreograph. And I remember seeing some of the making of the way they had to time things like her walking by and pushing through there was a lot going on in the background. So I do feel like, filming would have been difficult, but you're right. There's no baby Toby where you're trying to make him cry.
Aaron:Yeah.
Ashley:man, this scene though, I just, I can't get enough of it. They're in a crystal ball. This would be the foreshadowing in her bedroom of the music box where she's standing in the big white dress
Aaron:yep.
Ashley:She eats the peach, she gets into this ball and she is so focused on this like romantic thing they've got going on that she forgets her mission. Yes, We're trying to, we're trying to wind down the clock right here.
Aaron:So it almost works. Yo, she's entranced and curious and walking through the ball and then something happens and she snaps out of it,
Ashley:She gets a bad feeling. You can tell there's a jive. You can see it when it hits. She's like, now I'm not supposed to be here.
Aaron:Yeah. She goes all triple six mafia and tear the club up. She crashes the party hard. She takes a chair and throws it through a window, which is actually the side of the glass ball. The parties shatters everything's floating and she's coming to just floating down and we meet the goblin, which is named Agnes said, That's her name. this part was actually supposed to be longer and more detailed than there really was. That was supposed to be more scenes where you meet more of the junk people, which I never really noticed until I watched it this last time. That there's actually more junk people like walking around.
Ashley:I did notice that. later, I don't think when I was, younger, but when I did a rewatch, I was like, well, it's like a whole little city of them out there.
Aaron:I never noticed it until this last time. So that was supposed to be like a whole bar scene and everything were Hoggle is looking for Sarah. And he enters a bar and the talking bird heads in there and more junk people in a, supposed to be a whole scene. And this is
Ashley:not something they filmed. I know I asked this earlier, but this is not something I can actually see. it just says that it was originally written in the script. So I'm going to assume that it was not filming. Oh, goodness. I don't think it would have fit in the movie, but for us. Who've watched it 800 times lifted, like see those additionals.
Aaron:So this is more of the same of trying to get her to forget her mission and why she's there.
Ashley:And remember when she lands.
Aaron:And so It cuts back into her room and she thinks that it's all over then Agnes enters the room still was trying to confuse her.
Ashley:the first thing that came to me when I watched it again, was there is an entire show called hoarders,, this makes me want to clean I'm gonna go scrub to get I'm gonna start donating some shit. You know, I'm like, also a lot of the interviews with Jennifer Connolly, she realizes that this is actually about a young girl who was giving up her childhood to move into adulthood. She's letting go for childish ways. And that's in the beginning with her reading the book and all the fairytales Agnes is like, don't you want to keep your dollies and your toys? And she's like, no, there's something more I need to be doing. So I feel like this is a point where if you're going deep with it, that was part of the casting that I read was they wanted someone who was on the cusp of that age of, adolescents and it is about a girl turning into a woman All right. how's she gonna get away from agnes? The roof rips off of her room. Yes. She remembers
Aaron:as she remembers the other roof rips off And she saved by her crew of misfits. And they continue their mission onto the gates of the goblin city. I have intense boss fight written down in my notes. So this is thegate."Whoooo goes!?" The gate closes and this big machine, comes out and who goes, the robot looks all bad ass. I guess we can say ass, but the hero Hoggle jumps from the top of the gate and opens up the control center for the robot. And you come to find out that it's just one little job and then they're running it.
Ashley:It reminds me of men in black or that alien runs the whole body But this is one of the times that Haldol gets to prove himself. And because he's been so cowardly the whole time, this is where I was like, nah, this is my buddy. And you got an inside guy.
Aaron:Instead of Hoggle being able to take it over, he messes up the controls it catches on fire and Hoggle does a massive face plant. so the big boss fights done.
Ashley:if he could have controlled it, he could have taken that thing up to
Aaron:exactly. so Hoggle lands and they're cheering. And of course he says, this is how it was time. It's a piece of cake.
Ashley:He says that that, that was only for line.
Aaron:So if you're playing along with the drinking game, drink a as soon as he says that the goblin army storms the city. there was some trivia about some of the animals in the city and the dark crystal, but I didn't have it in there cause I've never seen a dark crystal, but
Ashley:on Facebook page
Aaron:so does Bowie's Bulge
Ashley:bold.
Aaron:Yeah. There's a couple of them. Jared jewels. Yeah. I think, both, both should have like its own Netflix series instead of tiger king, it'd be like goblin king I want to know the background of that thing.
Ashley:I lead a, basically did, and this is an hour and a half.
Aaron:They could just take scenes from this and probably make their own documentary on it.
Ashley:When you were going to talk about this a lot, by the way, it's a theme. It hasn't come up in a while. We got to meet our quota.
Aaron:The goblin army looks like they're getting raised. Uh, you know,
Ashley:they have a little army of those guys that were a person in a suit. you see Halloween costumes like that, where you're the legs, but it looks like maybe you're riding an ostrich or a dinosaur. That's what these costumes were, it looks like a little monster that they're riding, but it's actually the human's feetand then the upper part of their bodies and other costumes. So it looks like two entities, but it's only one person I don't know if that's an interesting fact at all.
Aaron:Yep. Okay. An impending doom is about to happen until Ludo saves the day he calls in an army of his own
Ashley:stinky rock buddies
Aaron:after Ludo roars, hundreds of large boulders coming rolling into the city to take out the goblin troops and their weapons, I have something about a cannon.
Ashley:What happens where it's like one of the cannonballs, like his butt's on fire
Aaron:it was like, I hit something. You don't know nothing about
Ashley:I really didn't get the part where he says, no problem. Is there anything behind that? The machine gun guys, like and that rock hangs out on top and then falls on him. And he says yeah, no problem. Or something like that. And
Aaron:even get that reference.
Ashley:Okay. And one of the things I did notice, and this isn't something I looked up, it's just something I saw. One of them is a reverse scene. I think the rocks are rolling into a house and then they run out and it looks like something that they rewound, you know what I mean? and I don't know exactly what it is, but keep an eye out for that, because I think I watched it a couple times. I'm like, they reversed the feed, you know?
Aaron:I did see in the making where they did use reverse multiple times in this. We'll talk about it another time here. That's coming up. That's really obvious.
Ashley:Okay. over here, thinking I'm so clever. You'll see it now. That's brought it up.
Aaron:No, you can't miss it. You can't. I have something about the cannons had the aim of stormtroopers, I guess they should be able to shoot them. And
Ashley:Yeah. He misses everything. They were like, yes, we wanted them to have a conflict, but we didn't want anyone to die. they had a death scene yeah, Oh my God. That would be like watching the never ending story. But with Ludo in like the bog of eternal stench,
Aaron:Why'd you bring that?
Ashley:this is how it would feel the same you were enjoying it and then you're like, wait what? Nope. Okay. Thanks for bringing that. I know
Aaron:got over it.
Ashley:I've been having therapy sessions about that for 20 years for like the weren't. Wow. Debbie What happens next?
Aaron:So we made it through the city and into the castle.
Ashley:How are we doing on time? I'm talking about in the castle, not
Aaron:a yep. Still plenty of time. So all the crew work, they're ready to storm. They're ready to help fight and defeat Jaris. And Sarah tells the homies, Hey, I got to handle this on my own. You know, something I got to do by myself, which I know. But Them being the understanding. Goblins You know, the Motley crew they're like, should you need us, So we entered into the, how do you say this room earlier? Oh yeah. the upside down room and the goblin city was directly inspired by drawing by MC Escher, titled relativity
Ashley:Yes. And you've seen this painting. I mean, it's been around
Aaron:if you've never seen it before, it's actually earlier in the movie, in her room. in this room, you got Toby. In danger the whole time and Gerald. Yeah, no doubt. this is one of the reversing that you were talking about earlier. There's a scene where a glass ball bounces up to him and that's kind of how they did it. It's, it's obvious,
Ashley:super obvious cause the way he catches it it just goes into his hand. You're like,
Aaron:I will say though that the Jareth walking off the edge like one of the most bad-ass things I've ever seen,
Ashley:and that was a guy in a Jared suit and he had, a mechanical. winch Like the way his body shape. It's like, Ooh, it's just remember thinking that was so odd. Like I was like, that's a weird,
Aaron:but it's awesome. So, Sarah is trying to rescue Toby, she's walking up and down the steps and trying to keep Toby from falling off and Geris busting the song,
Ashley:which is my second favorite song. Oh yeah. So my second favorite scene in the whole movie, turn my world precious thing.
Aaron:The acoustics in the relativity room must be freaking awesome. yes, so Sarah gets to the bottom and Jareth appears and is our costume.
Ashley:Okay. But I just have to point out that she gets there by taking a leap
Aaron:that is
Ashley:because you're like, how does she get from a to B? But she's so close to Toby each time, but he's just out of reach in front of me. It's like, I see him right there. I'm just going to take the leap and she's going to. And then all those stairs go up and then Bowie and the music, the entrance music on that one is epic. This is a RuPaul episode. And then his white pants are one last time to show off the goods. Yeah. Well, I have Jared's appears and his Al costume and his impressive beak makes his final appearance of the movie. Yeah. That sums it up. We have brought a full circle. The play on words there, but this outfit, I mean, seriously.
Aaron:white pants, knee-high boots, feather boa,
Ashley:I mean, I still really stupid, but I'm just putting together that it was even supposed to represent the owl. Like I just thought that was like,
Aaron:yeah.
Ashley:I mean it's feathers. It's why it makes sense. I just never, I just think I was doing all that jacket. Yeah.
Aaron:So Jared comes clean and he explains to her that he wants her to be a partner in ruling the Godwin kingdom.
Ashley:That's what all this was about guys. It just said in the beginning, like, listen, I don't even want your brother. I just want you, like, let's do this thing.
Aaron:Yeah. But if he came to her the very, in the beginning and was like, fear me, love me do, as I say, and I will be your slave
Ashley:and I will be your slave. Like, what's weird. So basically I have to be scared of you. And then you're going to do what I know
Aaron:passive aggressive. That's I, it goes into the summary. So he says, I'm exhausted from living up to your expectations. So what all has he done, I guess to, I
Ashley:think it's okay. So I've never asked myself this question, but as you're saying it, she was living in a fantasy world that was this world. So he created this world or her, I don't know why still, because he loved her, but yeah. So, cause it's you think about it in the beginning, she's acting out all of the labyrinth and he brought the labyrinth to her. So it's her expectation of what life is, I don't know, or what she wants it to be this fantasy world that she was acting out instead of her real life. I don't know. That's a really deep question.
Aaron:That's what comes to mind for me? No, no, I like it. That makes sense. I never really thought about like that.
Ashley:Yeah. and I've done it all for you.
Aaron:he's pretty persistent and she starts going over the lines of the labyrinth, just like in the beginning, she keeps on getting to the line that she can't remember. I
Ashley:never remember that line. does she realize right now that she could have done this the whole week? You know what I mean? It was just like, does she realize she was living out her book labyrinth? Or was it when he said that she's like, oh man, I just had to say those things in the whole time. And we couldn't, you know what I mean? If she would've
Aaron:said it earlier
Ashley:though, I don't know. We would not have our friends. All right. So we're full circling it. This is where we started
Aaron:and she remembers the lawn and she says
Ashley:you have no power over.
Aaron:So the clock strikes, you says it right before the clock strikes 13th hour.
Ashley:Part of me thinks that his tactic of just talking to her was stalling her and trying to confuse her with all that. But like, love me, fear me. You'll be my slave. And she has like about this. Okay. So love you. And then, I'm going to run out, but she's like, oh,
Aaron:so if Tom would have ran out what would have happened.
Ashley:Baby brother would, it became one of them
Aaron:forever. You just went back to
Ashley:what a weird lifestyle would be
Aaron:like. It's going to be weird life anyway, but I think we'll discuss that after, after the ending. I think we'll kind of okay. Yeah. Yeah.
Ashley:Don't let me forget it. Cause I got some theories on.
Aaron:Yeah. Okay. So it shatters there. The world is shatters as the clock strikes and we ended up back in Sarah's room. Everything's back to normal. She checks on Toby and she hears her dad and step-mom come home and she looks into the mirror. Who's in the mirror, all of our friends.
Ashley:Ah,
Aaron:at first she sees just our friends in the mirror and then she turns around as soon as she says, she'll always need them. It's a part, a out those party, peaches, bitches
Ashley:going round the tray fire. Once
Aaron:yeah.
Ashley:So he read I want to say it. Wasn't tell him his dad, the creative director. Was it really against this ending? he just did not like the party. I don't remember how they said they might've ended it, but he was like, I think that's dumb.
Aaron:the original script ended with Sarah punching and kicking Jareth then watching him shrink down until he becomes a small sniveling goblin. And that's how it ended.
Ashley:I don't know. That is a strange ending that I would have to contemplate I mean, I kind of want to see it, but I also, don't because it's David Bowie, I felt like he would run away. Like never run it. He throws a snake on her and the ones like, yeah, It really does change the need of everything. Because even when she goes back to the house, isn't there a part where he is the owl and he's like stuck in the house or something and he's trying to get out.
Aaron:At the end, while they're partying, the owl is looking in the window, that's it? And then it was kind of fly the way that's it? The ending of the labyrinth.
Ashley:Okay. We made it through, So the ending. If you didn't have those two choices of the party or her kicking him out shrinking, how could it have ended? They got married.
Aaron:Oh, what if she had children? She, yeah, she took him up on his offer and was like, right,
Ashley:right. Slave dance, magic room
Aaron:ball. I don't know. it's hard for me to really go into too much with her being that young. You know what I mean?
Ashley:Yes. We do have to consider that she's six, 14 length, right.
Aaron:So what do you think happened? After the movie?
Ashley:That's a good question. I was picturing if Toby did turn into a goblin. Oh, she going to explain that like she's in a mental institution. That's the only thing I can think of is the parents come home. They're like, where's our kid. And then we're kind of like the, that for her.
Aaron:Yeah. Or how are you going to explain the loud and partying going on in there
Ashley:Yeah.
Aaron:I feel like, years of therapy, first of all, and then so can they come out of the mirror anytime they want? Or are they always looking at anything she's doing?
Ashley:or like they keep showing up and she's like, I don't need you here. And she's like, well, you said you're always needed today someday. Okay. I guess she stopped needing them. I think that is why the person was against the ending. I'm thinking about it because the whole thing is supposed to be her giving up or childish stuff. And maybe he's like, we just got her into womanhood and now she's bringing him back. But then maybe it's always be a traveler at heart.
Aaron:We'll never know.
Ashley:So this is what I wrote down for what we think might've happened. Sarah went back to high school. I got bullied for being a theater nerd because glee at wasn't cool at that. But theater was her outlet and later became an actress getting a big middle finger, thelittle town America. I was thinking, Are you going to say, I was thinking like in the never ending story where he brings back Val, or she's like Ludo, we don't go get some bullies so here's what I wrote. Like the never ending story. She came back with Ludo and points to the bullies and then he yells and some rocks run them over and then they go get ice cream. And I said, please, someone draw me a picture of Udo eating ice cream, because that is some fan art that I would have What are you now? Little eats? Like what does,
Aaron:okay,
Ashley:wait, hold on. Did you your trivia? Cause I had some like random
Aaron:trivia. Yeah. all the trivia, I had a sprinkled in okay.
Ashley:so I was going to point out yes, we have made it through the end. I've learned so much. We're gonna widdle this down to an hour, but I am going to keep bonus material on the side if you haven't gotten enough of us because,
Aaron:We grow on you.
Ashley:Yeah. Like afine wine
Aaron:like I said, we're working at this. We're trying to get better. We hope you enjoyed it. And if you have any suggestions, memories, stories, trivia of your own, reach out to us on social media or by email.
Ashley:Yeah. ournostalgicpodcast@gmail.com? Our website isournostalgicpodcast.com kind of closing words?
Aaron:We made it through a whole episode without dropping one F-bomb
Ashley:uh, I dropped in, I think I don't want her, I got really excited. I said it was going to dub it. It's fun. Yeah. I think it's, I think the more passionate about things, the more,
Aaron:you know, should you need
Ashley:I do need you. Yeah,
Aaron:yeah.
Ashley:Check out our other episodes. And next time we will be talking about that should have killed us.
Aaron:We should be dead.
Ashley:Yeah. Look at us now.