A Family Restored — How Jesus Broke Generational Chains

Can a family break generational curses and reclaim their spiritual legacy through deliverance?

In this powerful episode of The Blind Exorcist, I sit down with Asis and Nyna Majothi from South Africa to hear their incredible testimony of overcoming demonic oppression, religious rejection, and spiritual confusion. Their journey spans apartheid, a conversion from Islam to Christianity, and the desperate struggle to save their son from demonic influence brought on by marijuana use and New Age practices.

After being turned away by their church, Asis and Nyna found help through Dr. Bob Larson. We discuss their personal exorcism sessions, how they broke ancestral curses, and why psychology alone couldn’t set their son free. Now certified exorcists themselves, they’re helping others find freedom through the authority of Jesus Christ.

📌 What you’ll discover in this episode:

✅ The dangers of New Age practices, marijuana, and open spiritual doors
 ✅ How Christians can have demons—and what most churches miss
 ✅ The role of ancestral curses in generational oppression
 ✅ Why faith, exorcism, and biblical deliverance go hand-in-hand
 ✅ How parents can free future generations by confronting their own demons
 ✅ The power of Revelation 12:11 in breaking spiritual bondage
 ✅ Why some healing requires both exorcism and inner healing

This episode is a reminder that true freedom comes from confronting darkness head-on—with the authority of Christ and the word of your testimony.

Transcript

Introduction

Speaker 1 0:38

exposing the darkness, revealing the light. And we are back at it. My friends, welcome to the Blind Exorcist. We are up to episode 19, and 20 is just around the corner. Thank you so much for tuning in and coming along on our journey. I appreciate you. Thank you for listening and you know what to do, right, just tap on share, get this out to your family and friends, post it out on your social media and also join and subscribe to the podcast if you haven't already. You're gonna enjoy this episode 19.

Speaker 1 1:19

Here I'm interviewing Aziz and Nina. They are from South Africa and they are an exorcist husband and wife team and, oh my gosh, do they have an amazing testimony, amazing story being raised in South Africa during the apartheid era. Fascinating. They themselves having demons being introduced to Dr Larson, going through exorcism sessions and then they themselves becoming exorcists. Aziz is Indian, he was Muslim, he became a Christian Fascinating story we're gonna hear. Nina is Indian and Sicilian Interesting bloodline there and we're gonna talk about that too and how she became a Christian and how she went through exorcism sessions and became an exorcist. But this episode is really full of a lot of history of South Africa Fascinating. You're gonna wanna listen to this man, I'm telling you this is so interesting. And then to incorporate the Muslim religion and the practices that Aziz was involved in Fascinating. So get ready for a great episode. This is gonna be very interesting. I think you're gonna really enjoy it.

Speaker 1 2:45

Let's put it this way when we were done with the interview and I had stopped on record, I was speechless, and that doesn't happen. As you guys know, I have the gift of gab, heavily anointed with the gift of gab, where I can just dog and dog. Right At the end, I was speechless and I told them. I said, guys, I don't know what to say, I am speechless. The beauty of the testimony and the movement of God in these people's lives just outstanding. So get ready, this is gonna be an awesome episode. Sit back, relax, enjoy this and make sure to share it out to again your family and friends or anyone you know that's Muslim, or anyone that you know is Sicilian. They will get a lot out of this. So get ready, this is gonna be an awesome episode. Without any further ado, let's go. Aziz, nina, welcome to the Blind Exorcist.

Speaker 2 3:47

Thank you, Justin, for having me and Nina on. It's really a blessing to be here with you today.

Speaker 3 3:52

Hi Justin, thank you, thank you so much, really a blessing.

Childhood Memories: Asis and Nyna

Speaker 1 3:58

I would like to thank both of you for taking the time to come on and speak with us. I'm excited, guys. These are a wonderful couple who are exorcists in South Africa and they have been trained by Dr Larson, so I'm very excited to step in their story and see how in the world does a husband and wife become exorcists? And Aziz and we'll get into this he was Muslim, he's now a Christian exorcist, and so at first we're gonna talk about where they were born and a little bit about their childhood. Then we're gonna talk about how did they get into exorcism as a ministry, and then after that we're gonna flush out some of the concepts around exorcism, maybe talk a little bit about it, educate people about it some, and then, from there, see where the Lord wants to lead us. So as a start, aziz, can you tell the audience where you were born and what was it like being raised as a child in your country?

Speaker 2 5:20

Thank you, justin. So I was born in a South Africa's geography towards Botswana and there's a border town, a rural town, and I grew up in a Muslim home. As you said, we were four brothers and we grew up in a very, let's say, loving Muslim family and being a practicing Muslim used to be in Madreya and mosque quite often. So that was the practice. You spend a lot of time in the community as a Muslim and this was important. My parents were loving, my grandparents were loving towards me. As a child. We, I would say, would be the typical normal family with no major challenges or issues. We then decided, due to economic reasons, dad moved to find work and we moved into closer into the middle of the country, towards Johannesburg for the audience, maybe to keep it simple, but close to Johannesburg, there was a little let's call it Indian town, because at the time we were in the middle of apartheid, we were still segregated at that time. So we grew up in a very small Indian community, again as a practicing Muslim.

Speaker 2 6:38

So, as I grew up in this Muslim faith, let's call it, I would say that I was a Muslim that was practicing. So I did mosque, I did the fasting, the 40 day fasting. So I was really a practicing Muslim. I joined a Sufi group at a very young age. My dad asked that I join, so for those that don't know, it's almost like a mystic sect in the Muslim faith and so I was asked to join this. So very typical, I would say, for my upbringing. Nothing extraordinary at that point in time. So yeah, my childhood was, I would say, normal, with no, let's say, major issues in my life.

Speaker 1 7:22

Thank you, aziz. That is fascinating. We'll definitely flush that out. About the Sunni and your involvement in that, I'm interested to talk about that. But first let me jump over to Nina. Nina, can you tell us where you were born and what your childhood was like?

Living Under Apartheid: Asis's Perspective

Speaker 3 7:40

I was born in a place called Lady Selborn. It is part, it was part of Pretoria, in a where nuns, a convent, where nuns are, and that's basically where I grew up until the group segregation act came into being, with the apartheid laws, end and end, and we were forced to move, like Aziz, you know, segregation became a real thing. So my childhood, I would say, was I will use the term very colorful. It was beautiful. I know that I was a very spoiled little, privileged little girl. Yeah, that is about what I can talk about. In terms of religion. There were all kinds of religious practices that my mom bought into. However, I must say that she came from her dad and her grandfather were Muslim, but from a different background than Aziz's. There's not just one type of, but also the intermingling of, different races in this country when, I think, I turned three years old, became an issue and that's when my life became interesting as well. But, yeah, in a nutshell.

Speaker 1 9:26

Thank you so much, nina, for sharing about your childhood and it's interesting about. I've watched lots of documentaries about South Africa and apartheid and to have people here that actually experienced it. I would like to flush that out a little bit for the audience so that they can understand what this exactly was like for each of you. So let me start with you, aziz, first of all. If you could let us know what is your ethnicity and then share with us how the apartheid impacted you in your life.

Speaker 2 10:04

Yes, justin, so I'm actually. I grew up as an Indian in, as I said, in the Lordyum in the Indian community. I say I grew up as an Indian only to find out later I think my mom was saying that her mom was Portuguese. So I have some Portuguese in me. Some of them are very small percentage, but we grew up Indian. And if you know, from, as I said, apartheid, when we started apartheid in the country, we were all classified in different let's call it groupings. So you had a classification white, indian or Asian colored, so I think in the US it's like a mixed race, almost the term which is not a PC or politically correct term, but I'm just trying to explain. And then you added the black community and so the country was segregated or separated in different townships according to the community you belong to. So we at the time were classified as Indian and we had to live in an Indian township close to Johannesburg.

Speaker 1 11:12

And Aziz, when you were segregated what was the reasoning behind that from the actual government?

Speaker 2 11:20

Justin, it was interesting. So I was obviously a young boy. But their point was, it started off from the Africans let's call it government at the time, or the Dutch government, or Dutch descendant, shall I say. They used actually the Bible as a basis for their reasoning, but in fact they felt all other race groups were inferior compared to the European or white race group and so they developed this segregated communities based on this because they didn't want, let's say, inter-community relationships or marriages. In fact it was according to the country's laws at the time. It was illegal for you to get married to a white person if you fell in the other race groups. So this was legislated in law at the time.

Speaker 2 12:15

Let's say, with God's blessing, this has obviously changed since 1994, and I think it's much better today and there's a lot of, let's say a lot of hurt that God has helped most of the communities to get through. I wouldn't say it's done, but there's still a lot of work that God needs to do. But at that time for us it was normal. Growing up in this segregated community. We thought it was normal to live separately as Indians. This was quite interesting.

Speaker 1 12:44

And in 1994, what was it that drove the government to stop with the apartheid? Aziz, I'm asking you that. I'm curious on that.

Speaker 2 12:56

Just since at the time, I think there was a lot of international pressure on the local South African government.

Fear of Apartheid: Nyna's Experience

Speaker 2 13:02

At the time there was a lot of help given to, let's say, those that fought what's commonly referred to in the country as the struggle. I am not one of those because, as I said, it was as normal to live as Indians and I didn't see an issue with this. But at 1994, I think it was a lot of pressure from international governments and also from the inhabitants of the country. There was a lot of unrest and political unrest at the time and it was a combination of many factors that actually led to the government realizing that they actually sitting on a powder cake and if nothing is done, the country will actually end up in anarchy and unrest. With God's grace, I think God's in the Bible it says God works on the king's hearts and I think in this case, the president at the time realized that it was time to stop apartheid, of segregation for the country and they worked with, let's say, with the, with Nelson Mandela and he's a team, to try and get the country out of apartheid.

Speaker 1 14:14

Yeah, Very interesting. Yes, I just watched a documentary on Nelson. It was fascinating. What a wonderful person to help with all of this. Nina, coming back to you and talking about apartheid and the impact and how you felt, what was your ethnicity and what are your thoughts on when you were living in this apartheid segregation- For me it was basically what is just spoke about.

Speaker 3 14:49

My background, or my biological dad is a Sicilian and when the apartheid was installed into the country, I guess I was about three or four years old. My mom had a choice and she chose to hide me in plain sight. I don't know that makes any kind of sense, but now that I'm thinking about it, she lived in a lot of fear. I was free as a child and she hid me away, as it were. So, yeah, this was coupled with the fact that she would always say things to me like it's not going to be forever. She knew the underground movements of what was going to happen when the new government comes into power, when the street names would be changed, when, because I saw the restriction we were.

Speaker 3 15:50

If you get onto a bus, for example, as a child, you with mum, you get onto the bus, you going to town with mum. There are different bus stops, so the one says white blankers or whites only, then the other ones for barn tubes, which is black, and then the other is for all other. And I remember when I was in college, the one day I stood at the all other and the white bus stopped for me and I was so fearful that I said you know, go, don't even stop. That is the kind of fear now that I'm thinking about it as an adult that we actually grew up with of the white man, of basically not stepping over that line, because my mum used to tell me what they would do Like, for example, with the black people, especially if they found them on the streets after 6 pm in the evening and they didn't have a book. It was called like it's not a passport, it's a passbook. They would pick you them up and they would literally not even give them a trial and they would literally hand them. That is how this apartheid government ruled this country. I was as a child, you spoiled, hidden away, because if mum was caught out with who my father is and she, I would have been taken away, they would have locked her up and the repercussions would have been parallel to that is always hearing the stories. She spoke about what they do and seeing it.

Speaker 3 17:35

The fear that drove this country is they don't speak about it. It was ruled by the apartheid government with fear, fear of being killed without a trial, without even if you were just a deeper shade of dark, whatever it was and there was a dispute, you would be literally what my mum used to say, taken to the gallows and hanged. Today they have closed the gallows, the hanging gallows. That was apartheid in this country. So for me it's the fear. So I think I grew up with it. Don't look at me too much. No, I'm not. I'm trying to blend into the Indian community, as it were, trying to simulate into that with my Mediterranean skin, my lighter eyes, my straight hair. It wasn't comprehensible, but I managed to blend in.

Speaker 3 18:36

But fear, justin ruled this country to a point where the white African government, the white man, was right and everything else was wrong. And they never talk about it or if they publish things, it was never out of this country how they murdered on the farms and without inciting violence by every year's. This and it was a big thing. I think the day when the country with Nelson Mandela got together and the ex-government and decided on he could have turned, mandela could have turned and decided, fast forwarding now to 1994, 1996, they could have literally turned on the country and killed. But they decided let's make it a peaceful transition, let's do it, and he would become the first black president of this country and this was a spiritually a big moment for the country as well as for the people. It's not reparation for the blood that was spilled, but between growing up in 1994, 1996, it was really we could. We voted for the first time we is in the entire country, because in the past only the white men could go and vote, and it's not spoken of outside of this country or unless you are from South Africa.

Powerful Conversion: Asis's Journey to Christianity from Islam

Speaker 3 20:31

There was a lot of bad that was done in the name of. I have a white skin, so hence I am like like Hitler, I am superior, the Aryan nation, that type of superiority which, yeah, so the fear, so every what was became normal to us was living in the shadows of not stepping out of line, not going to the wrong bus stop, not even the schools were segregated. Oh, there was a lot. So you couldn't get an education at a university or a higher place of learning if you were non white and if you were black, if it was even worse. Yeah, this country was. It was a lot of fear at, yeah, without going too far with it.

Speaker 1 21:24

Nina, thank you so much for giving us history on how bad this really was inside of the country. And you are correct, I live in America and we hear some about it. We have some documentaries that that we can watch, but to actually hear it from somebody who experienced it is an entirely different matter. So all I can say is thank you, jesus, for stopping this in South Africa. And I'm sure it took time to adjust once the segregation had been removed Psychologically. I'm sure it took quite a while for both of you to become comfortable and used to being free. And speaking of freedom, let's transition over to Christianity and how Jesus Christ became both of your saviors and at a certain point in time you both became a Christian. Aziz, I'm going to come back over to you. And how did you hear about Christianity and how did you become a Christian?

Miraculous Healing: Majothi's Son's Near-Death Experience

Speaker 2 22:32

Justin, as I said, I was a Muslim at the time and I can't express the hatred I had for Christians or Jesus as the Christians described him, because, as a Muslim, jesus was at that time a prophet like any other prophet before. So if a little about Islam I'm sure you in your podcast, had a few ex-Muslims you'd know that all Muslims are not equal, if that makes sense. So within the Muslim faith, and today even, there are a lot of different belief systems and rituals that I perform. So for me at the time, I'd say, growing up as a Muslim, I never I saw the church, because we lived, by the way, in this Indian community. We had multiple faiths, so Islam, hindus, catholics, methodists, so they had their places of worship in the area but they knew not to, let's say, try and evangelize across the different faith lines, because this was frowned upon. So when I grew up, I didn't know Jesus and I didn't want anything to do with this Jesus that the Christians believed in, but let's say God. I think our Lord has a great sense of humour and loves us, because he put me in front of this beautiful wife of mine. So when I saw her I told her listen, I love you and know, somewhere in our future we are going to get married to each other.

Speaker 2 24:03

Eventually, we got married just to keep it short and for me it was a blessing, but I still was a Muslim, so I got married in the Muslim faith. In fact, nina was a Christian at the time and she had to convert to Islam or else we would not be getting married. And this was quite at that time, as a Muslim, quite the victory, because I thought, hey, I'm getting one Christian out of the faith and joining the Muslim faith, little knowing that my I call it a firecracker wife of mine was an undercover Christian. So, even though she got married to me as a Muslim, she kept the Bible and she would keep the faith and reading the Bible and praying for me with a mum at the time in the toilet or in places where I can't see, and her mum and her prayed on some of my clothes. I didn't know about this. Obviously they were praying for my freedom into this wonderful let's call it relationship with Jesus Christ. I don't like to call it a religion, but a relationship with Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit started working with me because then, eventually I think, I realized there was something wrong and I was searching in my life because something happened to our son. Our son had a bad accident and almost died and I was praying to my Muslim god, allah, with no results. And Nana stepped in with the mum and said now it's time, we're not keeping it, we're not keeping it hidden anymore. And they prayed for this, for my son, and he had a miraculous healing. So at that point I was quite confused because I thought I was serving the one and only through God, as they say. But today I know that it's not the case, but at that time I thought it was.

Speaker 2 25:58

Then I started searching and, as I used to go to mosque, I started praying, and so, if you know the Muslim faith, you pray five times a day. There's a certain rituals. You'd perform certain prayers you'd perform and then you leave to mosque. But at the end of the prayer part I just sat there and I prostrated and I prayed this prayer and I think it's one that many ex-Muslims would understand. I just prayed a simple prayer. I said Lord, I'm not interested in any other God, but the true God, but the true God, the one, only true God that is created, created the heavens and the earth. So I did not mention a specific God. But I did not mention a specific God, but I just wanted to know the Creator of the universe, the one that created me, the one that created the earth, the one that brought everything into existence and that started me on a journey. Because I believe the Holy Spirit was already working with me at that time.

Speaker 2 27:08

And then I started speaking to Naena about this Jesus, because the Holy Spirit softened my heart to Jesus and his message. And we started talking and Naena shared with me some videos on preaching about this Jesus, this God. And so, yeah, it is interesting. I think it's in John where God is described or Jesus is described as the world was with God and the world became flesh and dwelt among us. And I saw this whole video and I was really glued. It made sense to me. What was being described and what was being shared by this pastor at the time really made sense. And I believe it made sense because the Holy Spirit was working in me to understand what the pastor was saying.

Speaker 2 28:00

If someone had shown me this, even two, three years before that, I would have probably broken the TV screen because it's blessed for me as a Muslim, but because of what happened with my son and I could see that there was something in Jesus that I needed to find out. It led me to that point and God started opening me up and I was still searching, but I did not find the right answer, the right moment. But I understood that I'm heading in the right direction. In fact, I then decided there was a big evangelist coming to the country and I needed to go and drop a mum and a self. At this event, I was still a Muslim, still going to mosque, and I said, okay, I will go, I will drop you at the entrance and then I will come back home. But when I got there, I realized that they were quite far away and it was not in a very secure place and I said, okay, I'll go with you guys and I'll stand there. This is a Muslim and nothing is going to actually impact me. But when I was standing there and I was just looking at this and I said, god, this can't be you, because there's people jumping around, singing, happily, clapping, this can't be you. And I remember it was raining that day and I said, god, who are you? Who are you? Who are you, lord? And I heard the audible voice of God speaking to me at that moment and God says I am Jesus Christ. Justin, you wouldn't believe it. Just sharing it again. It's such a blessing to have received such a word from the Lord.

Speaker 2 29:41

And from that moment on I did not tell Nina or her mom what I experienced because I still processed it. I work in IT, a very logical person. I had to go home and process it, but I knew at that moment that, hey, this is God, and I started reading and praying before the Lord. Nina had a Bible in the house and I used to just go through the Bible and the Lord also used Matthew 5, which was quite an inspiration and a support for me during this time. Eventually I told Nina listen, love, I am now born again. I don't want to serve the devil anymore and I want to serve the true God, the true Lord of this world. His name is Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 30:28

And Nina then took me to church where I gave my life to the Lord, and this was in 1995, so just around the time when we came out of apartheid, and she was obviously very happy and so it was a little blessing to us, obviously not knowing at the time, but I had to share this with my Muslim family and this really caused, as you can imagine, quite a big problem, because as a Muslim, you are not allowed to leave the Muslim faith by law. They would have allowed to kill you. But I think it was a blessing to actually be in a Christian country, because I got support from a lot of Christian brothers who I never knew, to try and protect me. But, let's say, when I shared this, they started persecuting me and my family. They came to my house and actually threatened to kill us and threatened to harm us, but not only me, but the entire family, meaning my wife, my kids. So at that point, obviously a lot of prayer and Nina sharing some of the word through the church also got a lot of support from the family.

Speaker 2 31:38

But it was very tough and actually during this time the Lord encouraged me with a vision, because actually what happened is, as I slept one night, I slept, the Lord showed me a dream or vision where there were angels and camped around the home where I was living at and I was winked up to winked up and this is a prayer, it's in my prayer life today, I always use this but so the angels were in, camped around the house and winked up to winked up and there was the enemy demons trying to attack us, meaning my house and my family, and they were repelled by God's angelic forces who was protecting us.

Impact of Christian Conversion: Nyna Reflects on Asis's Transformation

Speaker 2 32:23

In fact, eventually I started, let's say, meeting up with some of my family again because they started softening and one of my cousins actually said he deals in the mystic arts and started praying to harm us. And he said, as he believed, he was sending angels, but it was not angels. The demons, as these are angels, could not penetrate your house to harm you. And so he just confirmed what God shared with me in my dream. This was really a blessing and from that moment on, as they say, it's history. I don't look back. I love the Lord. The enemy can take everything around me, away from me, but I will always serve the Lord.

Speaker 1 33:08

Thank you so much, Assis, for sharing your testimony. How powerful I love how the Lord just kept working on you and I'm muted on my end. But when you said that Nina and her mom were praying over your clothing, I burst out laughing. Yes, that is the love of a wife. And that was your first mistake. You married a Christian. So, anyhow, Nina, let me come back to you Now. You had to have been absolutely thrilled when your husband said that he wanted to become a Christian. Tell us about what was it like to experience that as a wife?

Speaker 3 33:55

Yeah, a young wife it was actually. I was thinking about it yesterday. I was praying, which may not be a good way to pray as a wife because, as he said, I was the closet Christian. I was forced to convert to Islam and I prayed to God in the bathrooms and behind the scenes. My cry to God was Lord, either save him or end his life, which doesn't sound right. However, it's two ultimatums and I never thought that God would could save him.

Speaker 3 34:40

And I remember the day when he spoke about when we were at that big conference. It was massive, an outdoor venue, that was just, you know. I looked at him and my mom looked at him and there were tears streaming down his face and we both looked at each other and as the realization came to me, it became what was the word that I can use Father, you answered my prayer. There was no fear about it. There was an untold amount of joy. I never counted the persecution that would soon follow To me. It was then the children would be redeemed, but by then we'd already had my eldest daughter and my son. So it was a moment that I know the God that I serve is alive. I know that the God that I serve answers prayer, and that prayer came out of desperation. So there was going to use the word peace that came upon us that you can't buy, that kind of peace.

Struggles with Mental Health and Demon Possession: Majothi's Son and Encounter with Dr. Bob Larson

Speaker 3 36:00

The Holy Spirit's presence upon the two of us and our young family was tangible and there are no words that I can use to actually describe those few months or moments. And then, of course, soon, I think a few months after that I think it's when Aziz's mom asked him because they didn't know, can you come in? They fast and then they break. They have a big thing and prayers, they call it Ramadan and he said to his mom without hesitation I can't. And then she said oh, is it the wife? Again, no, because I'm a Christian and I think heaven and hell stood still at that moment. And then I wouldn't say the Holy Spirit left us, but the peace and that we had, for those joyous moments, turned into persecution and hell coming from the outside. But for those moments to answer your question, justin, there is no words, to one day when we are with the Lord, we will know in His presence what it is like. So for those few months, I don't even have a word beyond peace that the English vocabulary can describe.

Speaker 1 37:33

What a wonderful testimony. What a wonderful testimony. Thank you, jesus. And when you mentioned, nina, that when Aziz said I cannot attend Ramadan, that heaven and hell stood still, and of course, as an exorcist, I'm nodding my head and saying yes, absolutely, because that is when the spiritual conflict started. And of course, it started with persecution towards you guys and your family and so forth, but really, as you guys know, it was demons and the Lord. There was a conflict.

Speaker 1 38:14

You guys, at that point in time, started to experience true spiritual conflict and, like you said earlier, aziz, the Sunnis have a lot of supernatural practices into the mystic arts, so there's a lot going on at this point in time in both of your lives. Obviously, you guys needed an exorcism at a certain point in time. So let's transition into that just for a minute. I understand that you guys at some point in time met Dr Bob Larson and I'd like to talk about that. Aziz, let's flush this out a little bit. So you're an ex-Sunni and somehow you meet Dr Bob Larson. I'd like you to share with us a little bit what was it like, first of all, experiencing the demonic attacks in your life? Secondly, how did you meet Dr Larson?

Speaker 2 39:13

Justin, just to actually say, as anybody coming to Christianity and being born again comes with an old host of baggage and the baggage sometimes is not that good. So for me at least, what happened is during our journey we loved as believing Christians and what actually triggered our kind of connection with the pastor Bob when he was in South Africa was actually our son. So at the time our son, unbeknownst to us, was involved in, let's say, a cult practice with his friends and this actually led to some conflict in the house. In fact it got to a stage where he had strong manifestations and we were searching for help for him in the Christian community, but also obviously from a psychological perspective as well. Psychologically he got the help he needed, but at the time when this happened actually not many Christians understood what was going on and actually tried to actually deliver my son. But as we know today through our teachings with Pastor Bob that your mind needs to be first stole so you can't actually treat a. You got to get first treated psychologically or mentally to bring your mind stole so that we can actually go into deliverance and exorcism. But at the time mom and I didn't know this, so we were the typical evangelical Christians, and I remember my son manifested in the garden and we both tackled him to the ground and we started or at least I tackled him to the ground and mom and I started praying fame. We didn't actually realize it was in the middle of a psychotic break, so for us it actually looked like he was. He was signed at the morning today. So just to get a bit of a segue into Pastor Bob.

Son Becomes Demon Possessed from Marijuana and New Age Practices: Church Will Not Help

Speaker 2 41:20

And then Anna was the one that was actually searching to find help for our son and because she believed, as she believed with me, that our Lord would answer our prayer and help us through this difficult time with our son. And this is then this took us on this journey with Pastor Bob. Pastor Bob was in the country and she found this out actually about 1200 kilometers away from us, and we actually drove with my son to visit Pastor Bob. And what was interesting is we thought we were going for our son but in fact, as the pastor explained to us at the time, pastor Bob, that there is things that need to be cleared out generationally, with mom and dad first, before you can get to the sun. So that was our first introduction, at least for us, face to face with Pastor Bob.

Speaker 2 42:15

Obviously through Naina's research, we started watching online what he was about. At first I thought what's this Roman? What is this? What is this exorcism about? Because for me as a Muslim, it was not something normal, so as a new Christian at that point in time, also something a bit strange. So what? I think Naina can maybe give a bit more insight and a bit more detail on our journey to meet with Pastor Bob.

Speaker 1 42:46

Thank you, aziz, for sharing that with us. And let me come over to you, naina, and share with us what was going on here with all of this. Your son is having mental health conditions, plus, there's demons manifesting and, as a mother, of course, you are protective over your children and you're praying, and you're praying. You find Dr Larson. What was it like when you first went to Dr Larson, the three of you, to meet up with him?

Speaker 3 43:19

So my son it was what I call a combination of cannabis or I'm not sure what they called it in their country Friends of his had introduced him to the new age, opening doors, and from experimenting it went badly wrong. He said we cornered him in the garden and all I knew instinctively, and this didn't come. And I have to. Yes, the Christian church that we belong to was a beautiful church and it was a big church. However, the prosperity gospel and exorcism parts ways. At that point, when we approached the church and me as a mum and I said I think and I know, it's my DNA, it's in my blood that he needs an exorcism, and the church basically turned us away. And that was the day I basically went back home after instinctively putting because what my son was also doing with cannabis and end and end is he was astral, projecting which, if there's any new ages or Christians they believe in, the yoga and all of those things, here it is. I had to protect him. I put the Bible, opened it up, put it on Psalm 91, put it over his heart, because he's under age at the time and I said, father, god, protect him while we find help. It was at that moment that I prayed, not on, there was in Facebook or in, and I said, if I Google something, it will pop up. I know it's not the lot to, it will pop up, but the church and this is a mega church can't help us. Please, father, send us help. And there was a little Edward on Google, coming to Janisburg. Then he was Dr Bob Larson exorcisms from New Age, from Satanism, and and, and. And I knew that I had to call that number. And it turns out Dr Larson spoke about he was supposed to be in Janisburg and there was another church down on the coast where he was also invited to, hence the journey that is he spoke about and I didn't know how, but I knew that whoever this man was, who God sent, it was the last money we had, it was the last everything we had to get him into the car and we couldn't fly down those thousands of kilometers. We drove down and I believe when I saw Dr Larson for the first time and I my heart just think is he's present, he's a very well presented American man and I thought, oh Lord, not another prosperity gospel preacher, because we've had the Joel Osteen and the Craflo dollars and. And he introduced himself and we went up into the office.

Speaker 3 46:35

But then that was what I call the Kronos moment in this family's life is in our lives were never the same again. Yeah, that was in 2014, 2015. And I think I believe that was the last time that Dr Larson came to South Africa. Then he would go to Eastern Europe, but to meet him in person, and I believe he was there with his eldest daughter and a few others. So we met some of the others, but to actually have which Americans don't realize is a privilege, when you have the American dollar and you're able to actually drive to where Dr Larson is and go for an in person encounter, you don't understand how privileged you guys are.

Marijuana and Demon Possession: Further Discussion

Speaker 3 47:28

And my, our Kronos moment for the family I marked it down. It was. It had made. I know that God had again answered our prayer. I know again, the things were never, because people think it's an instant. Yeah, instantly, all things are made new and instantly, like when you are born again, everything is made new. No, it, all of it took a lot of time. So Dr Larson obviously dealt with me as well, and and and. But he proved no, he's not an American prosperity gospel preacher and what he's doing was, and there is the real deal it is. You get these fly by night exorcisms and fly by night deliverance ministry, this man, the ministry and what they're doing and no one's paying me for. This is the real deal. Just a fast track to where we are today is a natural progression. That happened, I think, from 2014.

Speaker 3 48:40

But finding Dr Larsen was prayer. It was a mother down on her. I was crying, justin. No one was around. There was no big church to support me or to look at me. I was on my knees crying, over my son crying, and I was saying Father God, if you are in heaven, as I believe you are, please see my heart. I didn't even have words, justin, I just cried. I said send us help. I know in my bloodline, in my, for my ancestry, that we need an exorcism. What it was, what it entailed, I didn't know, but we needed it and God answered Praise the Lord.

Speaker 1 49:33

Wow, that is so inspiring to think that you are in South Africa with absolutely no help whatsoever and your son is suffering because he smoked marijuana we call it marijuana, cannabis, same thing and opened himself up to demons. And this is what a lot of people don't understand. Can I use medical marijuana? Can I smoke marijuana? Can I eat gummies? Can I vape marijuana? You can do anything you want in life, but you are going to get demons, because when you give up control of your soul, your mind, your thoughts, how you think, your emotions, how you feel, when you give that up by smoking marijuana or any drug, you give that control up to someone and that someone is Satan and that someone is demons. And so this is what happened with your guys, son, in addition to that, the ancestral curses that you mentioned, nina, from you and from Aziz, same with me.

Speaker 1 50:40

I've been through exorcism sessions with Dr Larson for 14 months, so there isn't much benefit when you're German and Irish and the amount of ancestral generational DNA curses passed on to me at birth was awful and people have heard me say this before. My ancestry went back to the Druids in Ireland and, of course, being German, clear back to the Hitler regime and beyond, a bunch of murderous freemasonry, all this stuff 14 months to clean me up, and I don't say that proudly. It saddens me that it took that long, because if my Christian parents understood exorcism, if the Christian churches in America understood exorcism and were open to it, I would have never suffered. And just like your son guys, I suffered tremendously my whole life, my teenage years, my early adults, and I think my first exorcism session was in my late forties, maybe 48, something like that, 47. I don't recall exactly. But years of torment Not to give glory to Satan. But I am curious, nina, let's start with you. When Dr Larson worked with you, what was it generationally that he surfaced within you that needed broken?

Speaker 3 52:12

I would say 14 months and then I think, from 2014,. If I counted it probably would be that many, many hours. The common one because I can narrow it down now always goes back with me to the Norse gods. For some very interesting reason it always shifts to the Norse mythology, which I don't know if you can draw it through the bloodline, but I know, was it last year September, october? Dr Larson, yeah, we had another situation and he said he's interested in knowing where this all leads to. But when I went back and we had someone recorded and just reconnected the dots backwards, it all seems to go to either the Romans or the Norse mythology.

Speaker 3 53:18

Like you say with the Germans, the Nord, you are part of the, you would know the entomology and an end when the Vikings and an end. But it keeps going back that way. And that is sometimes in the beginning, when Dr Larson, when it first reared itself. Dr Larson was because my profile, when I give it ethnically and the background, it doesn't gel. But we all don't know what our ancestry, true ancestry is and that would kind of surface from my end. With the Zesis end it were the Persians. They probably conquered most of what the Greeks couldn't conquer, end and end so between the Persians and the Norse. Yeah, with me mainly just the Norse mythology, yeah.

Speaker 1 54:16

Thank you for sharing that. Yes, and for those who don't know the what she's referring to, the Nordic gods, is the mythological gods that the Vikings and so forth would worship Thor, loki, freya, odin. These are real demons. Hollywood makes movies about these, puts them up as funny. Some of them are funny, some of them are just serious. But they are true demons and as exorcists we deal with them, often with people who have Nordic ancestry.

Breaking Generational Curses: Asis's Perspective

Speaker 1 54:54

And to your point, nina, about just getting one recently, I myself also just recently went through another exorcism because as things surface, we keep going. I'm not letting anything live in my mind for free. I just said this on the other episode. Why would anyone give a demon a free hotel room in your mind to stay there? When you can kick them out, I'm going to kick them out. So anytime anything surfaces in my life, it's just another layer of the onion. So very common for anyone listening that's been through deliverance ministry you're not done. You might be done, but typically it's like layers of an onion you remove one layer and maybe a year later, a couple months later, three years later, whenever another layer surfaces, it's okay, you didn't do anything wrong, you're not a bad Christian. Whatever, go get another exorcism, get it done. Put it this way, nina you mentioned we don't know our ancestry and I ordered an ancestry DNA kit because I'm like and this was recent that I just did this. In fact, they're still spinning the results. I've not gotten the results yet because, as an exorcist, I want to see where does my DNA go. I know about German and Irish, but there's more there and I'm going to get to the bottom of it because these ancestral curses come through the DNA.

Speaker 1 56:19

Epigenetics that's the keyword Epigenetics. Study it. It's passing on things through the DNA that surface in someone's life today, in the present. This isn't New Age, this is biological. It happens. The ancestral curses come through your DNA. Most people are born with them. So that's my encouragement to people If you have the ability to get a DNA test run, get one ran. And if you want to get rid of your demons, then get ahold of me and let's kick them out. Stop giving them a free hotel room to just come in and lay around and torment you and enjoy it and laugh at you and everything else. You can kick them out. So I'm going to come back to you as these, if you can share a little bit about the generational curses, the Sunnis. I'm sure you had to renounce all of that and so forth. What was it that was vexing you? What were these demons that were going to get expelled out of you?

Speaker 2 57:20

Yeah, for me I think when we started with Dr Bob, we were mainly focused on breaking our curses. So, as mom and dad, we broke all our curses, as you said, from the Muslim faith, as God led Dr Bob. Obviously we, through the Holy Spirit, we found many other onion layers that you mentioned, but those that manifested were more Persian demons, in fact it was. I think the main one for me was Xerxes, who was a conqueror from a Persian perspective, and this kind of manifested quite strongly. I would say that the one thing which I realized and I think it is the brother Lucas, who's maybe similar where Naina would sometimes manifest some of my demons as we go through deliverance, because we did a lot of sessions together with Dr Bob, so Dr Bob would be praying for me and then this unclean spirit would actually pop up with Naina. So this was interesting and it was a way of getting these spirits clean.

Understanding Soul Bonds

Speaker 2 58:31

A lot of let's call them altars came up as well from the family line that were part of me, from brothers to mom to dad that were still around, that were causing harm to both Naina and I. But yeah, it was quite an interesting experience to go through this as a logical person Quite difficult at times, because you've got this thought coming in your head as you're going through the deliverance and the pastor is saying say this, but the pastor no, because this is quite bad. And so you're always fighting in your mind to actually say this and I realize at one stage it's actually not me, it's the spirit. And to bring them out is to bring them out into the light so that they can be permanently exposed and expelled from your life, because they just create torment and unnecessary torment for you and your family. So I learned that at the beginning I would say I did not have such a big manifestations as Naina did because, as I was saying, it's my spirit, sometimes manifested through Naina.

Speaker 1 59:41

Yeah, thank you very much for sharing. It's a fascinating concept and I've mentioned this a lot on the podcast that the Bible says that when two people come together sexually, they become one. They become one in their soul. They become bonded in their soul, their emotions, their thoughts. Sometimes a husband's coming home from work and he can just get a sense of what his wife needs before he even walks in the house, so maybe he comes home with some roses as an example. Or a wife can just know that maybe her husband's having a bad day. They got this knowing in their knower and so maybe she makes them his favorite meal or whatever. These are just examples to illustrate the concept that they have become one. They have been bonded in their emotions, in their soul.

Speaker 1 1:00:34

And when you have sex with somebody, as we've talked a lot about on here, demons are transferred. I call them STDs, sexually transmitted demons, and it happens Even in Christian couples that are born again, spirit filled, that have demons. The demons can go back and forth between the married couple, just as Aziz was explaining. It's fascinating, but it happens and it can be quite common with married couples or parents and children. There are sessions where you're working with the parents and taking them through an exorcism. All of a sudden the child manifests. How is that possible? All about the soul bonds and spiritual covering. As fathers are the spiritual covering over the family, over the wife, over the children. So if there's things in the husband, then they have legal right to come to the wife and to the child. It's all about legality, legal rights. So, praise the Lord, you guys have been freed up and it's an ongoing journey.

Closing Encouragement from Asis and Nyna

Speaker 1 1:01:43

I had someone recently ask me do you think we'll ever stop needing exorcism sessions? And the answer is, for me personally, no, I think I'll keep getting them along the way. I just think that's a personal opinion. But I think it also can come to a point where there's people in life that they're demons. They're comfortable living with them, so they don't get rid of them. So I know Christians personally that are loaded full of demons and they're comfortable with the torment. They're comfortable with the dysfunction in their life. They're comfortable with everything because they don't want to face themselves, and I think that's key. They don't want to face themselves, they don't want to take ownership of the mistakes that they made in life or the things that's happened to them in life, because you have to be brave and bold, to go into that pain to get rid of the demons. The demons are hiding in the trauma. The demons are hiding in the pain. You've got to go in there to get rid of them and you listening right now, you can get rid of your demons. You don't have to be afraid about going into your trauma and your pain.

Speaker 1 1:02:50

Aziz and Nina did it. I've done it, many people have done it and so can you. You don't have to be afraid. You don't have to say I can't do this. You absolutely can do it. Look, I'm blind. So if I can do it, certainly you can do it.

Speaker 1 1:03:08

And my encouragement to you, listening, is to make this year be your year of freedom. You don't have to give these guys that free hotel room. Kick them out, get tired of it, the torment. Everybody's tormented in different ways and it can stop. You don't have to live that way. Make this year be your year of freedom.

Speaker 1 1:03:33

And, aziz and Nina, thank you so much for coming on and sharing your powerful testimony. This was so inspiring. I feel like I could do cartwheels when I see how Jesus Christ restores the lives of people, and he has restored both of you. This is wonderful, and at the end of every episode, I always ask my guests to offer words of encouragement to those listening. Listen, aziz and Nina.

Speaker 1 1:04:01

There are people listening right now that have been listening for a while, that know they have demons and they're afraid to go for an exorcism. There are people listening who are intellectual like you, aziz, that are intellectual, that are into IT or accounting or attorneys or whatever the analytical skill set is. And there are families that are broken from demons. There are parents that listen whose children are tormented. I would like to ask each of you to just offer some love and encouragement to the people listening. Whether you're Christian or not, there is hope for you. You do not have to live in torment. You do not have to end your life. There is hope, aziz, let's start with you. Can you please offer some words of encouragement, maybe to even people who are Muslim? Listening? Go ahead, my friend. Here's some compassion and encouragement with the audience.

Speaker 2 1:04:58

Maybe I'll speak first to those Muslim listeners that are listening. I would only like to say that our Lord Jesus loves all in the world and is only after the best for you as His children. So I would only encourage you to search and seek the true living God. Find Him and let Him find you. In our Bible it tells us he knocks. He's a gentleman, he knocks on the door. So if you search, he will find you. Keep seeking the true living God. He really loves you. He's out of love and respect.

Speaker 2 1:05:35

I tell you this and I ask you because, at the end of it, there's two places we go to when we die, and I would love to meet you in eternity in heaven, together with Jesus. For those Christian brothers and sisters who actually say I am born again and I am not, I don't have a demon I would encourage you Look at your life, step back. I ask the Holy Spirit to lead you, because all of us sure we are born again. Our spirits are white as snow. We are redeemed, it's true, but I believe that there are still parts of us, in our emotions, in our thinking there is still oppressed by demons or spirits. So seek the Lord, find those things and seek help.

Speaker 2 1:06:26

Today we have the internet. In the past we never had this, so you have an opportunity to get things right in your life so that the next generation and the generation after don't have the same issues that we have to go through in our lives. And I think that is the key, that is the main message I would give you. Give anything, it's not for our generation, but for the ones that come after us, so they can truly serve the Lord in freedom and in peace. It is my encouragement to you today.

Speaker 1 1:06:57

And Nina, let's come to you, go ahead and offer some encouragement to Christians who are listening, or mothers or people who aren't even Christians. Go ahead, offer them some encouragement.

Speaker 3 1:07:10

My encouragement would basically be to praying mums who believe in God. Don't stop praying, because God hears you where you are. You don't mum, or even young women. You don't need to sell yourself out to a prophet, to a spiritual leader. There is a reason, like when God created Eve, that God hears the fervent prayer of a mother. God hears, he answers in the singular time. Don't stop praying mothers, sisters, for your families, for your husbands, for those who come to salvation, to come to no freedom in the land of the living. Don't stop praying, don't lose heart, don't stop covering your family. Don't stop believing because God, the righteous God outside of eternity, he listens, he stops everything to listen to a mother's prayer.

Speaker 3 1:08:27

Don't lose your identity in what is going on in the world, even in the church. It's too easy. And also another word deliverance and exorcism. It's real and it usually starts with a mum saying but what about what if we? And God is able. Jesus hears, he sees your heart, he knows the love he has. There is no measure of it. It's that wide and that high. That's how much Christ loves us. And your Bible, woman of God. Keep it open. This online Bible, know, get yourself a Bible, the living word of God, get it in your house, bring that life back into the house. It is where you can start as a child of God, as a woman of the most high God.

Speaker 1 1:09:31

You may be demon possessed and this is the first time you're coming to the realization of it. If that's you, I'd like to invite you right now to go to my website, justindeedcom, and book a session with me. Until next time, god bless.