When Demons Attack Marriage — Lucas and Diane’s Healing

Can demons infiltrate marriages and relationships? 

In this episode of The Blind Exorcist, I interview Lucas and Diane Wagenaar, a married couple who overcame intense spiritual warfare, emotional torment, and demonic oppression through the power of exorcism and biblical deliverance.

📌 What you’ll learn in this episode:

✅ How demons manipulate emotional wounds to destroy relationships
 ✅ The spiritual danger of soul ties and sexual connections
 ✅ Breaking generational curses and demonic patterns in marriage
 ✅ How deliverance and inner healing brought freedom in Christ
 ✅ Why spiritual warfare impacts even successful professionals

Lucas and Diane share how deliverance ministry not only restored their marriage but deepened their walk with God. Their story is proof that spiritual freedom is possible—no matter how deep the oppression.

🔥 If your relationship is under spiritual attack or you’ve noticed unexplainable tension, this episode is a must-listen. Share it with others who need freedom and restoration through Jesus Christ.

Transcript

Introduction

Speaker 1 0:37

Hi, I'm Justin D, your host, and welcome to episode 28 of the Blind Exorcist. Today's episode is all about relationships, whether you're single, dating, engaged or married. This is for you. My guests, lucas and Diane Wagner, are a married couple who've been through exorcism sessions. We're pulling back the curtain to reveal how demons operate in relationships and marriages. We'll also dive into the spiritual impacts of dating, engagement and even explicit sexual experiences. My hope is that this episode will be especially helpful for young adults navigating these seasons of life, giving you insight into how Satan can influence relationships.

Speaker 1 1:26

If you know someone who's single, dating, engaged or married, I encourage you to share this episode with them. It's packed with valuable insights for everyone. Lucas and Diane are highly educated and retired after holding high-level positions in corporate America. I share this because one of the goals of this podcast is to challenge the misconception that demons only affect people whose lives seem chaotic or broken. Success, wealth and the appearance of normalcy don't make anyone immune to demon possession. Lucas and Diane's story is a powerful example of how even the most successful and functional lives can face these challenges.

Speaker 1 2:14

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Speaker 2 3:10

Lucas Diane. Welcome to the Blind Exorcist. Hey Justin, thank you for having us on today.

Speaker 3 3:14

Yes, Justin, we are very excited to be on here today.

Lucas and Diane’s Backgrounds

Speaker 1 3:19

I appreciate both of you taking the time to come on today. Your story is very powerful and today, folks, like I mentioned in the introduction, we're going to be focusing on relationships, dating, marriage and the transfer of demons. This is going to be a good topic. If you know somebody that's engaged, you know somebody that's dating, I'd encourage you to share this out to them. This is going to be very powerful.

Speaker 1 3:51

A lot of people have questions about how can you get demons by having sex? How can you get demons as a Christian couple if you're married? How is that even possible? We're going to dissect that today. We're going to get into it. So I'm going to go ahead and start here and, as you guys know that have been listening for a while, normally I start back in childhood, because oftentimes that's where demons enter. Oftentimes that's where people go through trauma. Demons enter through trauma. Demons enter through dysfunctional family patterns. Demons enter people at birth from generational curses. Now, obviously, no one's life is 100% terrible nor 100% good, but most demonic possession starts in childhood. And I want to point out real quickly and we're going to get into this but Lucas and Diane they are highly intelligent individuals, educated and are retired at this point, but work professionally in pretty high up positions. You guys know that. Have been listening for a while.

Speaker 1 5:11

One of my intentions of starting this podcast was to show that people who have demons are not crazy. That's the stereotype they're crazy. I'm above this. There's no way that I could have demons, being college educated, or even if you work in a factory or drive UPS or Amazon like you're functioning in life, so you're normal. There's no way I could have demons, doesn't matter that I'm addicted to pornography or alcoholism or I fall in and out of depression. That's not demons, that's just life. Right? No, it's not just life. We're going to get into this, lucas. Let's start with you Now. What I find very interesting about you, lucas, is that you are originally from the Netherlands. I think that's amazing. So I'm going to come over to you here now and I'd like you to tell us about your childhood. What was it like being raised in the Netherlands and what was it like in your family growing up? What was that dynamic like? Lucas, go ahead, you're up. I grew up in the.

Speaker 2 6:18

Netherlands, of course. I was born there in a small town, onlo, which is in the province of Drenthe. The Netherlands has 12 provinces. Some people will know it as Holland, but Holland is really only a subset of the whole Netherlands. Grew up there, went to school there. I grew up with my mom and my dad and we moved around a little bit. My dad and we moved around a little bit. My dad changed the jobs quite frequently. I thought it was a very normal type of upbringing. Went to school there. Eventually I did my electrical engineering and I got a degree in electrical engineering, worked there for a number of years in the Netherlands and in Germany. I had a pretty good upbringing. We did have some issues and we can talk about that maybe a little bit later, but it was pretty good. My mom died when I was 16, and my dad got remarried and then when I was 25, I moved to Canada and eventually in 97, I moved to the United States.

Speaker 1 7:25

Thanks, lucas, for sharing your career history with us. Diane, I want to come over to you now. Let's talk about your childhood. Where were you born? What was your family life like coming up, and was there anything that stuck out to you, that was tough for you during your childhood or teenage years? Or was your childhood teenage years, quote unquote normal, as well as what Lucas explained?

Speaker 3 7:51

So thank you, justin. So my upbringing was quite a bit different. From Lucas, who grew up in the Netherlands, I grew up in Nebraska, so the small town in Nebraska and the thing about my life and to put a little context around it, if you would ask me any time while I was growing up, I would say my life was wonderful. I had the mindset it was normal, it was positive, I had a good upbringing, everything was great. In actuality, I was the only child in second grade from a divorced family. Now, this was 40 years ago. There were no divorced families in our town, hardly at all. In second grade I was the only one from a divorced family and I was being raised by my father, which was totally unheard of. People used to practically cross to the other side of the street so they didn't have to walk on the same side of the street as we were because we were just that different. But I felt Dad loved us and he showed he cared for us and that was my upbringing.

Speaker 3 9:00

But in actuality there was not a lot of love in the family. There was a lot of abuse. I was always the people pleaser and I looked for the positive in life. I didn't pay attention to the beatings. I didn't pay attention to the manipulations that went on. I just in my mind the only way I could cope was by saying my life was great. So that's how I grew up. And saying my life was great so that's how I grew up. And when I was the, when I was the late teenager, I found that I had. I went to sexual partners because that was what I thought love was. That's where you find love with a man, because growing up with my father, who always had the guys over, you always hear them talking about sex and how good it is. So that's how I. That's what my feeling of love was.

Speaker 1 9:50

I'm so sorry to hear you had to experience a sexualized understanding of a woman in your childhood and teenage years. What about your career? Can you tell us some about it?

Speaker 3 10:02

I lived in a town that was a railroad town and everybody went to work for the railroad the day you graduated. I went to work for the railroad the day after I graduated high school, had no intention of getting a college degree, just wanted to go to work, to party and do all the fun stuff. But moving forward, I I had. I moved twice with company. I ended up in Denver, colorado, and I was married and had two children. Two small children got a divorce and I moved to Texas and through that move it was very hard and I was a clerk making not very much money and I kept going to my boss saying you have to promote me because I have these two children that I'm not going to be able to afford to support. And they kept telling me you need a college degree. And I said, how can I get a college degree? I have two children at home and I'm working full time? And finally they convinced me if I just started taking one class, that the company would promote me. So I thought, okay, I can do that, I can take one class. Lo and behold, I took one class and four years later I had a full college degree. I had raised my two children. While raising my two children, I never missed any of their games or anything. And when I talk to my children now, it was such a great experience for them to watch me going through this. But at the time, of course, it was very hard. But once I had my degree, the company I worked for really helped me and put me on a succession plan.

Speaker 3 11:49

I went on to get a master's degree actually, and they moved me around the company a couple places and I was always in a customer-facing role. I'm outgoing, I'm friendly and I was always in customer-facing and I'd been with the company for 42 years. I moved down to Houston. That's where Lucas and I actually met and it was supposed to be a temporary move for me and then I was going to go on to my next promoted position. But the Lord had different plans for me and I had been single for a long time, no intention of having any career with a man or a life with a man at all. I was just career oriented and going for the big bucks and that and I was loving that. I was traveling all over and had all the points and everything. It was wonderful. And then Lucas and I happened to meet everything. It was wonderful. And then Lucas and I happened to meet, and the same weekend that we met.

Manifestations and First Deliverance Experience

Speaker 1 12:46

I gave my life to Jesus Christ. Diane, thank you so much for sharing your history with all of us. It's interesting. I think a lot of people can relate to this getting educated to make money and make money and there's so many people now that really are single because they're chasing that corporate dream, the money and all of that. So this is a good episode for people to be challenged. God loves family. God loves children, right, he made us and be fruitful and multiply. That's what God said in Genesis. He loves family, he wants a huge family, he wants a big family in heaven. He's all about family, right? So, lucas, she brought up. You guys met and got married. Tell me a little bit from your perspective. How did you meet, diane? Where did you guys first meet? How did this unfold?

Speaker 2 13:41

So I just got out of a divorce. I was married in 84, and I was married for a long time, almost 28 years, and things didn't go very well and anyway. So I went through a divorce and after divorce, I like to have some company, and, and after divorce, I like to have some company, and and I was going online to find somebody for just having some fun with, to go out with, and, and then I'm. I ran across an, an online contact. It was Diane that I started talking to, and what was interesting is you talk to different people on online and and they have certain ways of saying, okay, fine, but I'm not interested.

Speaker 2 14:24

So, diane, we were talking back and forth and Diane says I'm going to go to Hawaii for for a week and so I won't be able to talk to you anymore until I come back, and usually that's code, for it was nice meeting you, but we'll see you later, alligator. And so what was interesting is she left on Wednesday or something, and on Thursday I had a text from her again and she says I thought you were going to send me some pictures and I said I thought you were in Hawaii and she goes yes, but I brought my daughter's computer and so we can still talk. So anyway, I sent her some pictures and she goes oh, she liked it and she gave me her phone number, I think eventually, and we started to talk and we had our first live date. We went for dinner at Papa's in Houston and we had a great time.

Speaker 1 15:16

Thanks, lucas, for sharing your life with us. I love the story of how you and Diane met after both experiencing divorce. It's so inspiring to see God restore both of you into a healthy and thriving marriage, now shifting gears a bit. As a married couple, how did you first come to realize that you guys had demons?

Speaker 2 15:40

I was telling her about the Illuminati, there was a guy at work. He says all this music business and everything is all from the devil and it's the Illuminati and you should look into it. So I started looking into it and, sure enough, it's all demonic and everything. And I started telling Diane about it. She didn't want to hear about it, and so I kept on trying and after about six months of slowly probing and telling her a little bit about it, she was getting a little bit more open to accept it. And so one night I said hey, I got this little YouTube video, I want you to see this.

Speaker 2 16:19

And so we're sitting there on the couch watching TV and Diana's acting a little funny. And I said what's going on? And she goes something's going on. And before I knew it she is manifesting. And of course I had watched some videos from Bob Larson, and so I was grabbing a Bible and she's laying on the floor manifesting and I'm going, whoa, what am I doing? And so I go come out in Jesus' name. And I tried everything. I thought I knew what I had learned from those videos, but at the end of the day the demons were laughing at me and I couldn't do anything about it. And I go this is over my head, I need help. And so we called Bob Larson. We called the churches too, but of course they know nothing about this stuff. And so we called Bob Larson and we went. We drove all the way from Houston to Nashville and we got our first delivery that day.

Speaker 1 17:24

Okay, let me explain for those of you who might not be familiar with the term Illuminati. The Illuminati is often brought up in conspiracy theories, but does have factual evidence to prove its existence. It's described as a secretive group of powerful elites who are said to control world events, governments and financial systems behind the scenes. Many believe they're working towards something called a new world order, which is basically the idea of a global government entirely under their control. The World Economic Forum with Klaus Schwab is often mentioned by people as being an example of the Illuminati. They use things like media, politics and even the economy to push their agenda. Hopefully that clears it up. For those wondering, I'll include a link in the show notes to Pastor Billy Crone, who has done thorough research on the World Economic Forum and Klaus Schwab's role in promoting this agenda.

Speaker 1 18:29

Now you both are Christians. Right now You're saved, lucas is saved, and all of a sudden you're manifesting a demon. But I want to know from you, diane, what actually happened. Like you're telling Lucas something's wrong. But what happened? What triggered this? What were you feeling? What were the thoughts in your head? What was going on?

Speaker 3 18:52

I'm going to go back to the movie the Exorcist that I watched when I was younger and that movie never scared me. It was always interesting to me and I always saw that they said come out in Jesus name, come out in Jesus name, and that it worked. So that was always in the back of my mind. And then here Lucas is talking about this Illuminati and the devil. And I was taught in church you don't talk about the devil because it gives you power. So that was my mindset. But he was chipping away at it and we watched some of Bob Larson's videos and he was always saying come out in Jesus name. And here we are, we're watching earthquake Kelly and you can actually Google earthquake Kelly and he'll come up. He's a wonderful guy to research about. He was in the demon organization and then he got out and now he's a pastor, but anyway. So we're watching him and he's talking about how he used to tell these little demons to go places. So I'm laying there on the couch and I'm like if I happen to have a demon, and this is all in my head, I'm saying I'm going to say get out in Jesus name. And only in my mind. I wasn't saying it out loud. I just said come out in Jesus' name, come out in Jesus' name. And I was saying that over and over in my head and all of a sudden I felt my stomach rumbling and everything it just I was going crazy and getting nervous. I just kept saying come out in Jesus' name, come out in Jesus' name. And then behold, here I was saying stuff and acting all goofy and I knew it wasn't me, but it was talking out of my mouth and, like Lucas said, he looked at me and he realized it wasn't me. You could tell by the look on my face, by the tone of my voice. And he went and found a Bible, tried to hit it on me and, like you said, the demon basically laughed at him, kept telling him his name was Jeannie and then he'd be laughing.

Speaker 3 20:48

And I want to say that we went to bed that night after that failed exorcism and I slept in the spare room and Lucas slept in another room and I felt like the dirtiest, most awful thing in the world. The demons were just doubling down on me telling me I was worthless. I thought this wonderful man that I've had this wonderful relationship with isn't even going to want to come near me with a 10-foot pole the next day it was just terrible. And all night I didn't get any sleep. The demon was just telling me how awful I was all night filthy, dirty thing.

Speaker 3 21:26

And we got up the next morning and Lucas is sitting across from me and of course we're both a little bit freaked out and I said I'll get my stuff and I'll leave, I'll go to my go home. And he looked at me, says I'm not leaving you like this, I can't leave you like this, we're going to fix this. And that was all the demons needed to hear. They just it just vanished right then. All the worry, all the everything just. I had hope then and that maybe this guy was going to stick with me and help me figure it out. We drove 11 hours I think it was actually 13 hours to see Bob Larson. We left at three o'clock in the afternoon and we had an eight o'clock appointment to see Bob Larson. We left at three o'clock in the afternoon and we had an eight o'clock appointment with him the next day. We drove all night long and got there five in the morning, got an hour of sleep and then went into a deliverance session with Bob Larson.

The Spiritual Consequences of Premarital Sex

Speaker 1 22:17

This is very interesting to me as an exorcist. Now there's a couple of things I want to break apart here, guys, so you can understand. Number one Lucas did not have the training. He watched a couple YouTube videos, maybe he read a couple books on deliverance, but he's never been educated and he tries to cast out demons and it doesn't work. No fault of his, but I think a lot of people doing deliverance does exactly this. They hodgepodge, watch a video here from this ministry, another one from this ministry, maybe one from Larson. They write down some notes Okay, I'm a deliverance minister, come out in Jesus' name. No, I always encourage you guys listening, be careful. There's a lot of people out there that are not qualified to be doing what they're doing because they have not went through a certification process where they're educated Okay. So that's the first thing to point out.

Speaker 1 23:16

The other thing to point out is that they had no clue that Diane had demons until this happened, and this is later in life, and many of you listening have never had a demon manifest because it's never been challenged. You think the depression's normal. You think the panic attacks is normal. You think the things you struggle with is just the sinful nature, the lust or whatever it might be, the addictions. That's just a sinful nature. You have to resist it. But your demons have never been challenged. And so Diane challenges them in a naive way. Right, it's not like she has this high education, but she's like hey, if I have any demons, I want them out. So come out in Jesus' name. Come out in Jesus' name and bam, they come up. Come out in Jesus' name and bam, they come up. This is interesting. Up until that point, there were no demons, and there may not be demons in your life that you can identify.

Speaker 1 24:13

I do have people occasionally come to me just to see. It's not too often. People come to me to say, hey, I just want to see if you can kick something up in me, just in case, but it happens occasionally. Most people that come to me know they have demons, no questions asked. So here you have a married couple, christians. Both of them have been through divorces. I myself have went through a divorce.

Speaker 1 24:41

You can listen to my story in episode one, overcoming the Darkness. Many of you can relate to this. And they're married and there's demons. They can't handle it. They drive out to Bob Larson.

Speaker 1 24:55

Now I'm going to eventually be getting into how this unfolded, the marriage of Lucas and Diane. Demons transfer through sex, and I don't say that in a dirty way, this is the truth. If you have demons, whether you know it or not, and you bond with your partner sexually, the two become one and demons transfer. Lucas has no clue, diane has demons. Diane has no clue, she has demons. But they're married and they have bonded sexually and because of that bond, the demons that are in Diane or if there are demons in Lucas can transfer back and forth between the partners. We see this all the time. It's very common. It's very common.

Speaker 1 25:47

This is one reason why God says to wait for marriage, because it adds an element like don't have sex before marriage, because when you do that, it's sin and you establish the relationship in the kingdom of darkness. You have made a covenant, a sexual contract, a sexual covenant in the kingdom of darkness that gives Satan full reign to your marriage. And if you have children, also your children, because you have established a legal agreement, a legal contract in the kingdom of darkness by having sex outside of marriage. By the way, I'm not judging, I'm fact-finding here. This is just facts. This is literal, hardcore facts, ma'am.

Speaker 1 26:30

And when you have sex outside of marriage, you get demons and just saying I'm sorry, jesus, forgive us. They don't go away. That's repentance. That's a good thing, but that's not renunciation. Renunciation is completely different. When you renounce something to break the legal contract, then you got to go through the exorcism and get them expelled, and that's a process. It's not just come out in the name of Jesus. I wish it was that easy, maybe for some smaller demons. But exorcism that's why we're here.

Speaker 1 27:02

So I'm just sharing some of this with you guys to give you guys food for thought, because many of you have been divorced. You may have had demons from your first partner, your second partner, your third partner, etc. Etc. These are all people who have trauma. Demons enter through trauma, they enter generationally, and so you got demons. Lucas and Diane, for the first time ever in their marriage, in their life, really, truly have seen evil Demons manifested, speaking through Diane.

Speaker 1 27:33

I'm going to come back to you, lucas and Diane, here in just a second, but I want you to think about that. You who are married, think about that. What was your life like before marriage? What was your partner's life like before marriage? Was there trauma? Were there demons that entered? Chances are yes, okay. So Lucas and Diane, you go to Dr Larson. You work through an exorcism there. Lucas, you're watching this, diane's going through this exorcism. What were you thinking, lucas, when you're watching Diane go through this exorcism? What were you thinking, lucas, when you're watching Diane go through this exorcism? What were some of your thoughts at that point?

Speaker 2 28:10

Wow, yeah, that was quite something. Of course, when Diane manifested in our living room, that was horrifying and I didn't know what to do, and so we finally figured out okay, the only place we can get these demons cast out is through Bob Larson, and so that's why we went there. And so then Diane is sitting in a chair and Bob is, dr Larson is talking to her, finding out what is going on, and finally, after actually two hours, the demons manifested and he cast them out. It was quite the experience, and when you see the demons there, you understand a lot more about the spiritual world, about spiritual warfare. We go to church and the pastor talks about spiritual warfare and we think, okay, fine, but we don't realize what that's all about, and so we started learning about it.

Speaker 2 29:15

I was so interested in all of this and I wanted to know more about it, wanted to know how you could protect yourself, how do we do curse, break it, and how do we get rid of these demons, and so we started.

Speaker 2 29:27

We signed up for the International School of Exorcism with Bob Larson because I thought, first of all, as a Christian, I think we need to know what our enemy is and we need to learn their strategy so that we can deal with it.

Speaker 2 29:41

And we started the school and we got graduated from that and we learned how to deal with it. And we started the school and we got graduated from that and we learned how to deal with this. And we started actually signing up with the DWJD. Do what Jesus Did and we tried it ourselves and then any time that Bob Lawson would come to town, to either Houston or Dallas, we would go sit in with him on these sessions and learning more and more about it, and so that's how we got into it. But the first couple of times was, wow, this is interesting and very complicated, especially when you talk about disassociated identities or alters and they can be alters from earlier generations, could be alters of a soul, part that is younger in a person's life, and so all kinds of different things that we have to really learn how all these pieces fit together and how to deal with it.

Speaker 1 30:39

Yes, it can be very complex and that's why I always share with you guys that it's not just come out in the name of Jesus. There's so much. There's disassociation, where people split off from trauma, the generational curses. There's things passed down through DNA. Oh, it's so involved and it's very methodical. It's involved, it's clinical. Oh, I'm just thankful that Jesus allows me to serve him and serve all of you guys in this way.

When Demons Transfer Between Spouses

Speaker 1 31:26

It's a beautiful thing to expel demons because it's a healing ministry. Exorcism isn't about casting out demons. It's about healing people from their traumas, their broken hearts and getting rid of the tormentors. Traumas, their broken hearts and getting rid of the tormentors. Like Diane mentioned, that night it was so bad in her mind because once the demons got stirred up, then they're like you're terrible, he'll never love you, you're a bad person, all these thoughts in her head, to the point where she gets up in the morning and at breakfast says I'll pack my bags and leave.

Speaker 1 31:59

And there are many of you listening right now that have demons and they're the ones who are talking to you. They're not your thoughts. They're not your thoughts telling you're worthless, no one will love you, you'll always be alone. Whatever the thoughts are that you hear. Those are demons influencing your emotions, pushing you towards something. Oftentimes it's death. Anyhow, whether it's suicide or addiction or whatever that's their nature, they're going to push you to die in some way emotionally, physically, whatever. Keep that in mind.

Speaker 1 32:33

These voices that you're hearing and they're not all the time what do you hear when you look into the mirror? Can you look in your own eyes? Can you look in your own eyes in the mirror? And if you can, or whether you can or cannot, what do you hear when you look in the mirror? Do you hear something positive? You're a beautiful child of God. Jesus Christ cares about you. He loves you. Is that what you hear when you look in the mirror? Or when you go and pick up a beer and crack it open and start drinking it or smoking marijuana? What are you hearing? Something's pushing you toward that. My point is demons talk through thoughts and oftentimes the thoughts sound like your own, but they're not you. Demons speak through your thoughts and oftentimes the thoughts sound like your own, but they're not you. Demons speak through your thoughts and it can sound like your own thoughts, but it's not your own thoughts. Diane, I'm going to come back to you. You go through an exorcism with Dr Larson. My question for you you're getting freed up.

Speaker 3 33:43

Did Lucas have demons? Yes, but getting to that route was quite a bit different, and let me go back. So what Lucas said we went through the ISE and then we started dipping our toes into deliverance ourselves and, looking back on it, we were babies in deliverance ministries, but you know what the Holy Spirit is so wonderful. We were able to set some people free and it started giving us confidence and we started learning and experience. But Lucas could not manifest. He would, would not.

Speaker 3 34:21

He sat in front of Bob Larson and he sat in front of Bob Larson a couple times and Bob couldn't get him to manifest. We could tell there was something there and so there was one time, when we were in front of Bob Larson, lucas was in the chair, I was sitting behind him and Adrian, who was a friend of ours, was sitting there and he said wait, I think the demons just moved from Lucas to Diane. And Bob looks at him and says what? And says okay, let's trade places. And I got in the chair and I manifest, because I manifest easily, easily. And Bob was able to talk to demons that were in Lucas, and so that was new to us and we weren't really sure about that.

Speaker 1 35:11

Let me interrupt just for a minute just to make sure I'm understanding this correctly. And for others, lucas cannot manifest, and that's common with people who are analytical and logical. They have trouble setting aside their logic or letting go of the control and making themselves vulnerable. Sometimes this happens, so Lucas cannot manifest. Someone there named Adrian thinks that the demons in Lucas have transferred to you, diane. Okay, and so you, diane, sit down and Dr Larson begins to address demons in your body, in Diane's body, that are actually the demons from Lucas, who would not manifest in him. Is this correct, diane?

Speaker 3 36:07

That's correct, and I can do better than that if you want me to.

Speaker 1 36:11

Let me flush this out for just a minute Now. I know those of you listening are like this is crazy. There's absolutely no way demons in Lucas could transfer to Diane manifest, come up inside of her, speaking out of her mouth her eyes dilated black, and saying that I'm the demon that is in Lucas. Yeah, that's literally what happened. How is that possible?

Speaker 1 36:41

Remember what I talked about the sexual soul bond. Does it matter that they're Christians? Remember I said if you have sex in sin in the kingdom of darkness, right, demons transfer. This is demonic transfer. It's that simple. They are married, they're bonded as one spiritually. That's what Genesis tells us.

Speaker 1 37:04

And so demons can transfer between the spouses back and forth to their demonic purposes, whatever that might be. So demons in the husband can transfer over to the wife and cause torment, for example, crazy jealousy. Or demons in the wife can transfer over to the husband and vex the husband in different ways, whatever depression, anger, isolation. These are just examples. Point is this demons transfer between spouses. It's interesting to me when I work with a married couple how one of the couples they are all the well put together one I do not have demons, my spouse has demons and she needs help or vice versa. He needs help, I am fine, needs help or vice versa, he needs help, I am fine. And what they don't understand, which I have to explain, that, oh, you have demons because your spouse has demons and they transfer back and forth between each of you. Fascinating, this is fact. Let's talk a little bit more about that. Diane, demons from Lucas come up in you and are talking to Larson. How did that flush out? What happened?

Speaker 3 38:30

We ended up casting them out and I really I don't remember the particulars of that so much, but I have another instance, if you want me to tell you where we really learned how this works, if you'll let me. So we were, lucas and I had gone through the International School of Exorcism. We were babies and doing deliverance, but we were doing deliverance and we had driven to this couple's house and had done deliverance with them. That night, on the way home, I started manifesting, or I was saying things, for somehow we knew that we needed to pull over and Lucas needed to go to work. So we did. We pulled over. We had all the stuff with us because we had just come from a deliverance session with the cross. We had the Bible and Lucas proceeded to engage in spiritual warfare.

Speaker 3 39:20

And up came a demon from a woman he had an affair with years and years ago, the name of that person, everything I would have had no idea, but it was me that was manifesting, me that was saying all this stuff.

Speaker 3 39:34

As he's sitting here looking at me, he's talking to this demon who's telling him all this stuff that he knew was true and I, you know, I wouldn't know none of the particulars. The demon totally described what had happened that day and Lucas cast it out. You know we went through, but it was a little different. He went through then he went and he renounced it all and he Lucas said out loud that he renounced it and did all the curse breaking. So that was really when we started realizing there's really something here. And it just goes back to the devil wants to destroy your marriage and they will work together any way they can. The demons in me will work and the demons in Lucas will come back and forth whatever they can do to destroy the marriage, because we are in a holy union that is blessed by God and they want to destroy that.

Speaker 1 40:31

Okay, a couple thoughts here. First of all, people are listening and wondering a holy union, how could demons be there? Simple, they have a legal right. There are godly soul bonds established through the Holy Spirit and there are ungodly soul bonds established in the kingdom of darkness. Lucas, this is fascinating. Oh, as an exorcist, this is thrilling. Like this is the type of stuff that just gets me all kinds of excited.

Speaker 1 41:01

So Lucas has an affair in his past. He got a demon from it. Now, this is interesting. Think of this, those of you listening who's had an affair and you're like Jesus, I'm sorry, forgive me. You are forgiven Absolutely, but you got demons. I want you to understand that Forgiveness is not deliverance, forgiveness is not renunciation, forgiveness is not exorcism. Lucas had an affair. Demon comes up and his wife explains in detail what happened, how it's there, the person, the name of the person, and Diane is oblivious to all of it. You have a demon speaking through his wife to Lucas about what he did and why that demon's there, and it was expelled. This affair happened in Lucas's first marriage, not in the marriage with Diane. Now, the beauty of this is you have a married couple working together as partners to clean each other up, and if that means demons from Lucas, manifest and Diane, so be it. That's legal spiritually because they have the soul bond. That demon had a legal right to be there, so Lucas renounced, repented, repented of it. Then he renounced it to break the legal right and then it was expelled.

Speaker 1 42:25

Everybody wants to, just as a side note, do this on their own. They really don't want to humble themselves and come for help, so they just want oh, can I do self-deliverance? Can I do self? Because I don't want to humble myself and really expose the things that I've done in life. I just, I should say the majority of the time it does not work. The biblical model of prayer is what Jesus said where two or more are gathered. There. I am also. The Bible also tells us I believe it's in James if any of you are sick, call on the elders, come, let them anoint you and pray for you. The Bible is all about humbling ourselves, coming together, praying so that you can be healed. Confess your sins one to another that you can be healed. This is Bible scriptures. Oh, I just want to do self-deliverance because I don't want to let anybody know what I've done, because I'm such a bad person and I feel terrible and foolishness. Come, get your freedom and if you're married, this is fascinating for you you and your spouse can be performing deliverance on one another and getting cleaned up. This is awesome. This is so exciting, so interesting to understand that.

Speaker 1 43:48

Think of this guys. Think of the people you've had sex with in your life. You got demons from them. Think of the people who molested or raped you. You got demons from them. I could go on there. They enter so many ways.

Generational Curses - A Battle Through Time

Speaker 1 44:01

Think of your parents. Many of our parents were unstable alcoholic, drug addicts, mental health conditions, completely demon-possessed. One minute they're happy, next minute they're angry. Abandonment, rejection, dad leaves on and on it goes. But you don't have demons, right? Oh, I love to challenge people's thinking. I'm not doing this to be hard on you listening. I'm doing this to challenge you because I want to see you free. You don't have to live the way you're living and deny on saying I don't have demons, everything's fine. Lucas, I'm going to come back to you. I'm going to set that soapbox aside and thank you all listening for being patient with me as I went off on my tangent there. Sometimes I've been known to do that. But, lucas, I want to come back to you and just get some of your take on this. What is it like to be married to a Christian and going through deliverance together as a team? What has that experience been like for you as a?

Speaker 2 45:09

man. Yeah, justin, it's been very good because Diane and I we do everything together and we pray together when we first started dating, so on our first date it was on I think it was a Friday night or a Saturday night, I can't remember and she was telling me. I told her, I said I want a Christian woman, and she goes I am a Christian woman. And then she started to explain what kind of a Christian woman she was and in my opinion she was a carnal Christian, which is by name only. And that same Sunday she went to church and gave her life to Christ and she called me. She says I walked forward and it just it took me by surprise. And so since then we have grown together. We worship the Lord, we pray together, we do deliverance together, and it's been quite the journey.

Speaker 2 46:03

We, in some of our sessions we talk about this, we talk about STDs, sexually transmitted demons because that's what happens when you have a sexual relationship with someone. And it's interesting that in our deliverances to one another we have found out that the demons, they want to destroy your marriage. So the number one objective is to destroy your relationship with God and they try to confuse you, blind you. All kinds of diversions, fogginess in the mind and clear thinking. We've come across demons that make people believe in evolution. It's just, it's incredible. So the first strategy is to destroy the relationship with God. That's not going to happen with us. So the second strategy is to destroy the relationship in marriage. A marriage is a stake, is instituted by God and it's sacred to God, and so the devil wants to destroy that. And you see it in our world all around, with the transgender and the homosexual movement and everything, and it's all designed by the devil to destroy relationships.

Speaker 2 47:20

What's interesting with us is that we are pretty in tune with one another and we wake up one morning and we go Diane would say I had a bad dream. I said I had a bad dream, let's find out what it's all about. So we sit down, we have a special set of chairs where we sit and we go through some declarations about who we are in Christ, and then I basically just call up the demons that are doing this, that have caused these dreams, and we deal with it and we find out where they come from and when they came in and if they have any legal rights, and we've learned exactly how to go through that and many times those are generational demons. Something happened three generations, five generations, 20 generations.

Freedom Through Exorcism - A Transformed Marriage

Speaker 2 48:10

We had one situation. It was my bloodline and it came through my dad and through his grandfather all the way back to the tribe of Ephraim when the Jews left Egypt it's just incredible and the Egyptians had done something to a Jewish man who decided not to go with the Israelites and go to the Promised Land. He stayed behind in Egypt and we got great detail about it. It was the son of that particular man, witnessed what the Egyptians did to this man and it became an altar. That altar has come through all these generations for when were they in Egypt? 2,800 years ago, and they came all the way through all the generations through my bloodline, and I'm talking to the altar in Diane. It's just incredible and we've learned so much about all this stuff and it's been a fantastic journey.

Speaker 1 49:20

That's fascinating. And when Lucas, just to clarify, when he's talking about altar, he's talking about an ancestral identity. This is epigenetics. You can look this up. It's just a dna imprint of an ancestor that's passed on generation after generation in the dna of the people. So, clear back to egypt, lucas obviously has jewish ancestry in him and so this dna imprint was passed down generation to generation. And, as these DNA imprinted what we call ancestral identities, it's just a DNA imprint. So when that genetic part of a person now that's not the soul, it's not the spirit, they're dead and gone, it's a genetic imprint and that can come up and speak and feel and talk, it's not a demon, it's not. They're dead and gone, but that DNA imprint comes down through the bloodline and the demons feel and talk. It's not a demon, it's not they're dead and gone, but that DNA imprint comes down through the bloodline and the demons come with it. So the demons are attached to a DNA imprint. Now try going down to an altar and saying come out in Jesus' name. Now, this is what I'm talking about. This is involved. This is involved. We've talked about this quite a bit through the podcast, but it's interesting to see that this DNA imprint of an ancestor comes down genetically through Lucas and the demons come up using that DNA imprint. They use it as a shield the demons do and it comes up in Diane, and so Lucas deals with it and gets rid of it. And comes up and die in, and so Lucas deals with it and gets rid of it. So imagine having a Christian partner that you can do this with.

Speaker 1 50:58

None of this is taught in church. It should be At least the foundational understanding of demons and how they operate and work. Hierarchies, top-down militaristic. They can be in your soul, your emotions, how you feel, your thoughts, how you think they can be in your body. You need exorcism, like just the basics, so people can begin to understand that this is quite normal and I say this quite often on here the Catholic Church has exorcists for the Catholic church members.

Speaker 1 51:33

They don't have exorcists for people who are outside of the church. They understand that Christians, catholic Christians, can have demons, but somehow in our theological studies, in our arrogant westernized schools, oh, that's impossible. Christians cannot have demons. The devil loves it. He thinks it's funny. I've said this before the safest place for a demon to be is in most churches in America, because they're never threatened, they're never confronted. Diane, I'm going to come back to you for just a minute. Can you tell the audience come back to you for just a minute. Can you tell the audience what are some? Give me the top two benefits that you have experienced personally in your life by going through exorcism sessions. What are the top two things? The top two benefits that you have found in your life.

Speaker 3 52:28

Justin, I am not the same person I was, and my family would tell you this. I was a worrywart. I was very insecure, worried about what I was going to say, always thought I said the wrong thing, and you don't realize this when you're in it. I thought I was a confident woman and I think society would have called me a confident woman, but inside I really wasn't and those demons were telling me bad things all the time that I didn't realize they were telling me. Today I have none of that.

Speaker 3 53:03

I can sit here comfortably. I don't worry about things. I know the Lord has things. I'm calm, I'm secure and I can just let Lucas lead me through things. I don't worry about anything he's doing, I can just lean on him and be totally comfortable with it. It is so comfortable to just sit and breathe and be fine with myself. That's number one.

Speaker 3 53:31

Number two I have a wonderful husband who I have seen walk down the same journey, and just a little example is when we talk about that Jewish boy that saw his father killed. Lucas had things that happened to him in his sleep and he had physical pain from that time, but after that deliverance he was 50-some years old, I think. Done. No longer does he have those pains, no longer does he get up in the middle of the night with these things done, gone, and he has also learned.

Speaker 3 54:14

It used to be if I even mentioned the word taxes around my husband. He would be in a bad mood the rest of the day and wouldn't even hardly talk to me. Now it's nothing, it doesn't bother him at all. He can smile at me and he just handles it in a godly way. So our lives here are totally different. We don't react to things. The things that the demons do to us is there. We call them triggers. The demons will make certain situations bother you and you'll trigger to act in a way that if you don't have that, you just sit back and go okay, that's fine, no big deal. So it's helped me. My family notices it and it's it's given me a wonderful husband as well, cause we've walked this path together.

Speaker 1 55:02

That's awesome. That's awesome to see just the benefits that you guys are personally experiencing in your marriage with Lucas and the finances and being freed up from Mammon, which is a demon that deals with binding finances and making people poor or making people wealthy to where they don't care about God and just die and go to hell and have a lot of money. It works both ways. So Lucas is Dutch, from the Netherlands. You know the Dutch over there. They're tight-fisted and money and all that. So he gets freed up from that. Diane has peace now. She's not anxious, worried, fretting, sitting around, biting her nails down to her nubs. How many people in life have bitten their nails down to the cuticles because of the anxiety? Who's to say that's not demons? So we've covered a lot here in this episode. I think we're going to wrap it up here in just a minute. I hope you guys have found this helpful. I find it absolutely not only fascinating but encouraging and inspiring for people who are in marriages right now that are struggling, or for new married couples, or for people who are dating, or for those of you who are single, waiting for God to bring you someone, or maybe you are doing some online dating and so forth. This is great. This is good information. You have the understanding now how this works. This is great. This is good information. You have the understanding now how this works.

Words of Encouragement - Why Seek Deliverance?

Speaker 1 56:34

And, by the way, just to let you know, oral sex in the spirit realm is a soul bond that transfers demons. I'm being explicit here so you guys can understand and have the information A sexual bond in the spirit realm. Remember what Jesus said whoever looks at a woman with lust in his heart has already committed adultery with her. In other words, he was bringing that into the context of looking at a married woman. So if that can be an ungodly soul bond, these other things are, and I'm speaking from experience, from working with demons. I entered this woman because she allowed a man to touch her Like she allowed it, she wanted it. I entered this man because this woman performed oral sex on him.

Speaker 1 57:19

So I think sometimes people who are younger or just Christians who are dating, think that it's okay to have oral sex or touch each other, or take your clothes off and play around with a female's breasts and all that. Listen, demons tell us all the time they enter people from these acts because it is sexually bonding. Think about that. Think about that For those of you who are single or those of you who are engaged. If you're engaged and you have guys have had sex, you need to get a hold of me. We need to break those curses and cast those demons out so that they're not passed on to your children. Or if those of you listening are married and you have children under the age of 18, they're not adults, you can break those generational curses off of them. Get a hold of me. We have to clean the generational curses and the demons out of you first, as the parents whether you're a single parent or you're married you go through the exorcism first. That weakens the demons. Then we can break the generational curses off of the children just you and I together. The child doesn't need to be there. You have to be a bloodline generational curse breaker. That sounds like a great t-shirt. You guys think the blind exorcist should come out with some merch Bloodline generational curse breaker. Get that t-shirt. Anyhow, all kidding aside, it's been great.

Speaker 1 58:58

Lucas Diane, thank you so much for coming on and sharing your life with all of us, for sharing the aspects of demons in the context of marriage relationships. This has been great. It's been very insightful, it's been helpful and my prayer is that those of you listening have really gained understanding here, have really going to walk away with food for thought to be chewing on this, on this, and at the end of every episode, I always ask my guests to leave a word of encouragement for those of you listening. So, lucas, I'm going to come to you first and then Diane, I'll come over to you. Actually, we'll come to you first, diane, then we'll go to Lucas. But I'd like for each of you to leave a word of encouragement for people that are listening.

Speaker 1 59:49

Some people listening here they don't have the courage to come for an exorcism. They just don't. And there are people listening here that might think they have demons, are not quite sure. Then there's people listening that know that they have demons. There's all kinds of different people that listen. And, diane, I'd like for you, if you could this might be challenging for you, but if you could, for 30 seconds, offer some words of encouragement to the audience that's listening, that are in relationships, that are dating, that wanna be married, that are single. Can you offer them some encouragement? Why should they go get an exorcism?

Speaker 3 1:00:33

Exorcism has totally changed my life and the thing is, the demons will tell you how powerful they are. They are nothing. They are small little minions that are not very intelligent and you can gain control over them and the freedom you feel from that is just. It's immense, and the love you can have for God and how close you can get to God by getting rid of these demons is just amazing. I encourage everyone to seek whatever help they need. Read some books, call anybody, call Justin, call us. We can help you. We can do ministry to you in any way. You need Answer questions. It's not always about deliverance. Sometimes it's just about getting stronger in your walk with the Lord. But it's been a wonderful journey and I would recommend it. I wish everyone could go through this journey because it's been so wonderful and my marriage today is just a fantastic fantasy relationship with my king Lucas. He treats me like his queen and it's wonderful.

Speaker 1 1:01:38

Thank you, diane and Lucas. 30 seconds. Can you offer some encouragement to the listeners? Why should they get an exorcism?

Speaker 2 1:01:46

Yeah, as Diane said it already, I think Diane and I talk and we have friends and we go. I don't know how those guys stay together and I don't know how we would stay together if it wasn't for the exorcisms. Everybody goes to the doctor once a year to get a health check done. People should really go to an exorcist and get a spiritual health check done, because the demon is going to try to destroy your marriage and you want to get rid of this and for us it made all the difference in the world. I am in the freedom that you get. If I were to go back and say, if somebody were to say, would you spend X number of dollars on it $50,000, x number of dollars on it $50,000,? It would be worth it because it changes your life with your spouse, it changes your life with your friends and, most of all, it changes your relationship with God. It is worth everything. You have to get rid of these demons.