Demons in the Therapy Room — When Deliverance Meets Psychology

A highly trained trauma therapist sits across from a Christian client—when suddenly, a demonic manifestation erupts in her counseling office.

In this episode of The Blind Exorcist, I sit down with Rachel, a licensed trauma therapist and fellow exorcist, to explore the powerful connection between mental health, deliverance ministry, and spiritual warfare. Her incredible journey began in communist Romania, where her father was murdered for his Christian faith. After escaping to America, Rachel pursued multiple degrees and eventually combined professional counseling with biblical deliverance to help Christians experience true freedom from demonic oppression.

📌 What you’ll discover in this episode:
✅ The real story of a Christian client who manifested a demon during a therapy session
✅ Why the Western church dangerously teaches that Christians cannot have demons—and how this false belief keeps people in bondage
✅ How demons magnify trauma and genetic weaknesses, fueling cycles of anxiety, addiction, and depression
✅ Why true healing often requires a multifaceted approach: therapy, biblical deliverance, and sometimes medication

Rachel shares powerful testimonies of two Christian clients: a suicidal man completely healed after just three sessions, and a young woman freed from occult entanglements who now passionately follows Jesus.

This conversation will challenge everything you’ve been taught about spiritual warfare and show what it truly takes to break free through Jesus Christ.

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Transcript

Introducing Rachel: Therapist and Exorcist

Speaker 1 0:37

Welcome to the Blind Exorcist. This is episode 35, and I want to say thank you so much, my friend, for tuning back in and, if you're new to the podcast, welcome. Today I have something that I'm very, very excited about. I am going to be interviewing Rachel Now. She's coming on to the podcast anonymously and here's why she is a therapist highly educated We'll get into her education later on but she's also a certified exorcist, so this is a magnificent combination of both therapy and deliverance ministry. What a combination.

Speaker 1 1:28

So our conversation is basically a coffee conversation, right? We're sitting around discussing certain things around this, and I invite you, grab your coffee, pull up a chair, sit down and listen in. You're going to get a lot out of this. So, for example, we're going to talk about why Christians can have demons. We're going to talk about the importance of therapy in addition to deliverance. We're going to give several case examples, client examples of people we've worked with, case examples, client examples of people we've worked with. But, even more importantly, we're going to talk about how or why the Western church gets this so dangerously wrong that Christians cannot have demons. Why is that? Why do they believe this? We're going to flush this out in this episode as well. We're going to talk about her history. She's actually from Romania and came to America when she was 13 years old, so there's a lot of awesome, exciting information. This episode is very encouraging. So if you're kind of feeling down, beaten up in life, you, my friend, have tuned in to the perfect episode Tons of inspiration and encouragement throughout this episode. So I would encourage you, when you're finished listening to this, to text this to a family member, a friend, and tell them to check it out. They're also going to get a lot of their questions answered and also find inspiration as well.

Speaker 1 3:11

The last thing I'd like to ask before we jump in here is could you please consider and I know you guys get this all the time, so thank you for those of you who actually do this next request Could you consider rating the podcast on the Apple podcast platform? This helps people find it and they need to hear this. There's so much here for people to learn. It's very educational, as you guys know, and it's also encouraging. So to do that it's not difficult.

Escaping Communist Romania

Speaker 1 3:46

You open up the podcast app on your iPhone, tap on search type in the Blind Exorcist and you'll see TBE logo. It's this blue and white logo. Just tap on that and on the next screen, scroll down clear to the bottom and you'll see review and you can tap on leave a review where you can rate it from one to five and type a little description of what you get out of the podcast to help people understand it. And, you know, join in the family here. So thank you so much for considering doing that. I really appreciate it. So, without any further ado, let's go ahead and jump into this conversation with Rachel and buckle up, get ready. You, my friend, are going to be inspired, encouraged and get a lot of questions answered. Let's go, rachel. Welcome to the Blind Exorcist.

Speaker 2 4:51

Thank you so much for inviting me, and I'm really looking forward to this opportunity to give testimony about what God did in my life.

Speaker 1 5:01

Amen, I'm very excited as well, and so this is going to be a really good coffee conversation. We're going to kick around some really good ideas to challenge your thinking as you listen. So, Rachel, let me come over to you. You originally lived in Romania and at 13 years old, you came over to America. Let's talk a little bit. What was your life like in Romania before you came to America?

Speaker 2 5:33

Yes, so I lived in the 1970s and 1980s in Romania under the communist regime of Ceaușescu, and growing up was a very different world from the US currently. I lived with my grandma and I was not able to see my parents very often because the communist government placed them so far away in their work that they couldn't actually take care of me, so I had to live with my grandma and then they would come and visit me. Also, I was a minority living in Romania and as a minority we got a lot of persecution for who we were and our culture. And then also we got persecution because we were Christian and my grandma and I used to go to church, but my parents couldn't go to church because they would have lost their jobs.

Speaker 1 6:31

That sounds extremely challenging. What brought you and I'm assuming your parents, I'm not sure about your grandmother what led to you guys coming to America outside of that communism in control?

Speaker 2 6:47

Justin, my father was targeted by the secret police and eventually he was killed for his beliefs. And so usually what would happen in a communist country like that? That if one of your parents gets killed because he's too outspoken, then they would try to kill off the rest of the family as well in order to set an example to the community and set fear in the hearts of the people so they would not rebel against the government. And so my mom and I ended up having to flee and go undercover, and she had to, with help. She had to sell off all of her savings, her life savings, all of the things that she owned, and she was able to pay off certain officials to get different stamps so that we could leave the country we can leave the country.

Speaker 1 7:41

Wow, I am so sorry to hear about your father. Wow, in the West, it's difficult for us to wrap our head around living in that type of regime where your father is murdered for his beliefs, your mom has to sell absolutely everything, all the money for you guys to escape and come to America. I do have several acquaintances that I see several times a year, from Romania, and they also grew up under the communist regime and it was bad enough that they refused to talk about it. They absolutely won't even bring it up because it was that bad to talk about it. They absolutely won't even bring it up because it was that bad. And they also were able to escape. And, praise God, you were in your mother as well. So you guys make it to America. What was that like, coming here, settling in America? Did you understand English? Were you able to speak it? Were you fluent? What was it like culturally to come here?

From Refugee to Scholar

Speaker 2 8:43

We came to America with $200 to our name and the clothes on our backs and not much more. We actually ended up living with my aunt, who lived in Texas at the time, and so she helped us and we were able to get our eventually, our green card and then, later on, our citizenship by in Texas. While we were able to get, eventually, our green card and then, later on, our citizenship in Texas while we were there. But it was a challenging part of my life, of course, because we were uprooted, left behind our culture, the people who we knew, every single thing that we had, and we started from scratch. And I just want to say that God has been there with us through all of it and he's really provided for us, and we both of us, my mom and I were praying all throughout this time to the Lord, and so he came through.

Speaker 1 9:41

So you make it through high school. What was it like going through high school for you here in the States?

Speaker 2 9:48

High school was an interesting experience because, even though I did live in a communist country, their education level was much higher from the American educational level, and so when I came, came, and even though I didn't know English, I placed one of the first ones in my entire school in ninth grade, and so I guess the school was so surprised that they actually reported it to the paper. The newspaper did an article on me about this and one of the local private school deans read about it and came in person and offered me a full scholarship to attend their school the rest of the time. So I actually ended up attending a private Christian school, 10th through 12th grade because of this scholarship. So, as I said, god really provided and it was just an amazing thing.

Speaker 1 10:48

I think this is outstanding. This is like from rags to riches story here, where you are very intelligent, and I think this is key to understand that just because you're intelligent does not mean you cannot have demons. And we'll get into Rachel's story here, because she actually did wind up going through several deliverance sessions. But before we get into that, speaking of your intelligence, rachel, let's talk a little bit about your university education. So you graduate the 12th grade and what happened next?

Speaker 2 11:50

Yes. So after I graduated I went ahead and got a bachelor's degree. I got a bachelor's degree and then I have two master's degrees and an additional certificate. That took three years. So I specialized and I became a Christian counselor.

Speaker 1 12:10

So, Rachel, what is your bachelor's degree in, and why did you choose this particular degree?

Speaker 2 12:18

My bachelor's degree is in science and biology, and I've always loved nature and animals and I loved gardening. I still love it even today and so as a young adult, I decided that I wanted to become a veterinarian, and in order to do that you have to get a science bachelor's degree. Now, after I got the degree, the circumstances of my life changed and through a process of discernment, I was led to look into counseling as a potential field of study, and when I looked into it it seemed like a great fit for me. The first teacher of my master's class in counseling came out to our class with. Counseling is both an art and a science, and so I'm both an artist and a scientist. So that was like a perfect combination for me, and still is. I love counseling people, I love working with them and helping them heal.

The Day a Demon Manifested in a Therapy Session

Speaker 2 13:30

Now I did get a third degree, and that's a master's in public administration, and that's because I'm also a community builder and I love putting together groups and putting together ministries, outreaches you name it centers, counseling centers, counseling centers, and so since I love doing those things and I was doing that more and more I decided to get a degree in public administration and that taught me more specifically how to run nonprofits, which I was very interested in doing. And then my certificate is in spiritual formation, and it's a three-year certificate from a seminary, and I am also a congregational ordained pastor and so I help people grow spiritually and closer to the Lord, and so those are my degrees.

Speaker 1 14:28

So there we have it Two master's degrees, extra education, certification, a Christian therapist, highly intelligent and went beyond therapy and came to be trained as an exorcist. Why, rachel? What caused you to want to go that step to combine therapy and exorcism together?

Speaker 2 14:58

The Lord has been training me and teaching me how to do exorcism in the office for years. And I'm a trauma specialist, trauma resolution specialist so I work with a lot of traumatized people, resolution specialist. So I work with a lot of traumatized people and I noticed that whenever we would heal, start healing their wounds, their underlying wounds, then some of them would start seeing shadows around them and they would say did you see that? Oh, my goodness, did you see that? And at the time the way I understood it was that as we heal the underlying wounds, then the enemy is losing its grip, and the more it's losing its grip on that person, the more it's like flapping around, like in a car, a handkerchief that you put out the window. It's like flapping around barely hanging on, and that's why these people get a glimpse of these demonic entities. But the interesting thing was that these people weren't scared anymore because they were healing and they were almost healed, and so they were actually I could actually lead them and help them get rid of whatever those they were noticing. And so the Lord was training me how to do exorcism before. And so the Lord was training me how to do exorcism before I even knew what it was.

Speaker 2 16:23

And then I started doing research after one of my clients manifested in my office, fully manifested. He came in, he was very depressed, suicidal and hopeless and so on and so forth. And during the session we were talking about Christian principles and all of a sudden this man rose up from his chair and his voice changed. It became like a deep voice and his eyes became black and he said I hate Christians, they're trying to kill me, and so on and so forth. He went on this diatribe and so, interestingly enough, even then I wasn't afraid. I knew what to do. I started praying for the person. I asked the Lord to come and intervene and I told the thing whatever it was to go away in Jesus name, get out, yeah. So all of a sudden he fell back in his chair and whatever it was left him and he was surprised and he went oh my gosh, what was that? Did you hear that? And he started even apologizing to me. He goes I'm so sorry, I don't hate Christian, that's not, that wasn't me. And I said that's okay. And he kept on asking what was that? And so I didn't want to scare him, so I didn't want to say, oh, you have a demon. But I said that was whatever was in your heart. It just rose up and you showed it to me and then it left. And so he accepted that answer and indeed he has completely healed.

Speaker 2 17:42

Like overnight he went from being depressed and suicidal and hopeless to being completely healed a different person and he got himself a job and he didn't have depression anymore. And so we only needed to have three counseling sessions all together with him, with this particular client and I'm not saying everybody's going to be like this, but I'm just saying this particular person. This was their story and so I was aware of demons and this person was Christian, okay, who manifested in my office, and I was aware of the fact that Christians can have demons. And so I started looking around because I decided that I needed to become more specialized, I needed to know more about exorcism, because I didn't know a lot. I only knew what was happening in my office. And so I started looking around for a biblically-based, solid approach that is kind and it preserves the dignity of the person that you're working with. You're not like yelling and screaming at them or anything like that. And so that's how I found Bob Larson's ministry and that's how I got to working with Justin.

Speaker 1 18:53

Wow, like I could dissect this in a million ways, and I say this often, but, rachel, you have my head spinning. Wow, honestly, this says it all. Folks, this disproves the point. Right here you have a highly educated therapist working with a Christian who is suicidal and depressed. A demon manifests, she expels it and then she's like wait a minute, I really need to be trained in a process. That's key. Exorcism is a process if you get trained through Dr Larson's ministry and it's very client-centered and it's very respectful, compassionate, empathetic, and so those of you listening who have worked with me, you understand that this is a very respectful approach to helping people. We're not screaming and yelling and traumatizing people and all of that. So let me just take a minute and take this apart for just a minute.

How Demons Exploit Trauma and Weaknesses

When the Therapist Needed Healing Too

Speaker 1 19:56

Now, rachel, you and I both know that it is possible for a person to have a mental health condition in addition to having demons. In other words, demons aren't always 100% cure. For example, people can have a spirit, of say, anxiety cast out, but yet they still require anxiety medication because the anxiety they actually have is genetic and the demons hyper-induce that anxiety. So I tell people it's like when you have anxiety genetically and you have demons. They hold a magnifying glass over that and they take it from a three to a 10. So you're like panic attacked and everything. When the demons are expelled, that can drop down to a three, which is tolerable medication, and so the anxiety still remains. So not everything is a demon. It's more common that it's a combination of unresolved trauma, mental health conditions and demons. What are some of your thoughts on that, rachel?

Speaker 2 21:12

What are some of your thoughts on that, rachel?

Speaker 2 21:16

Yes, absolutely Not everything is a demon, and there are people who are genetically predisposed to have anxiety, and so what you just said is exactly correct that very often it's a mix of maybe genetics, some background trauma that hasn't been healed, and then maybe some spiritually magnified event, and that's exactly what demons do, is they magnify or make things so much worse because they're trying to destroy the person. That is their goal, and so they're trying to drive them into temptation or trying to make them do things that are against their values and beliefs there, so they're trying to destroy that person and get that maybe deeper in some sort of a forbidden practice, whatever it is speak into as well, because I had a food addiction and I was really addicted to food, and also I had a codependency problem with some of my family members, and so I had to go through a process of healing, and so part of that was going through my own counseling and then 12-step process, but then I also had to get several sessions of exorcism to get rid of the demonic.

Why Deliverance Alone Isn’t Enough

Speaker 1 23:02

Mission critical. It's multifaceted. I think that is so important for anybody to understand. Many people come to me and even you, rachel because they think the only problem is demons. Maybe they've identified that they have demons, maybe they've had demonic sleep paralysis or they just know I have demons because of X, y and Z. So they come thinking that's all they need to do. But that's just part of the equation. For example, if somebody comes with addiction and we work with them and we get the demons expelled that have entered through the addiction, I will refer them to therapy. Because there's unresolved trauma and that's why they're self-medicating through addiction. There's unresolved trauma and that's why they're self-medicating through addiction. And oftentimes I encourage them go to a 12-step program for Narcotics Anonymous. Go, find it online, find a local chapter. Go, get a sponsor and work the steps. Why? Because it's all part of a collective healing process and journey for the individual collective healing process and journey for the individual. So if you're listening right now and you've went through deliverance and you still feel terrible, that's why Therapy you may need a 12-step program. So it's that deliverance is only part of the equation. It is not the entire equation.

Speaker 1 24:31

Here's another example I had another exorcist recently contact me and asked if I could help her with a more advanced case of exorcism. And I said send me the spiritual profile and for you, listening for a while. You understand this is intake questions that I have people fill out before I meet with them to assess critically and through logic entry points of demons through the family, through marriage, all these different aspects. Okay, so I get this spiritual profile for this particular client and I'm reading down through and the amount of trauma that this particular client had experienced. As crazy as this sounds, she had no business coming for an exorcism, as her starting point right, her starting point needed to be therapy. She needed emotional stability, she needed medicated, she needed to process through horrendous amounts of trauma in her life and then, when she would get to a state where she was stable enough, had worked through trauma enough, then start the exorcism. So I share this with you guys to simply say if you've tried therapy and you still feel like garbage emotionally, perhaps you need to go for exorcism. Likewise, if you've went for deliverance ministry and you still feel like garbage, perhaps you need therapy, perhaps you need a psychiatric evaluation to see is there something genetically wrong with me that medication can help.

Why the Western Church Gets It Dangerously Wrong

Speaker 1 26:21

I tell clients this all the time. I told a client this, I think last month or the month prior. I said, listen, you need to go get a psychological evaluation, go to a psychiatrist, get tested, see what it is that you have so that you can get the correct medication. This particular client would go to his primary care physician, his family doctor, and say I'm depressed, here's Zoloft, or I have anxiety, here's Busporin, or I have lower back pain, here's pain. It was like a candy store. And the client even told me this. He said it's like a candy store, I can get whatever I want. And I said here's what you need. Go get that psyche valve so you actually know what you have, instead of just randomly guessing based on symptom. They can test you, get you the proper medication that'll help you feel better emotionally, then come back for exorcism. So interesting kind of pointers to share with you guys as you're learning about this or maybe trying this yourself and trying to get better. It's all part of the healing journey and I want you to understand this here, that this is what Western Christianity says is impossible.

Speaker 1 27:47

Got that your pastor. Chances are at your church if you went up and said I have a demon, I need an exorcism. He'd say Christians can't have demons. Why is that? Because Western Christianity in our seminaries especially in America— we teach that Christians can't have demons. That's simply not true. We have so many deliverance ministries that's came out since COVID. Now, granted, not every deliverance ministry is balanced. There's a lot of wackiness out there, I get that, but there are legitimate, stable, professional exorcism and deliverance ministries that are available, with all the testimonies on YouTube from all these different ministries, mine included. Are all of these people crazy? Are all of these people lying? No, they're not. So if your pastor is saying Christians can't have demons, that's simply not true. I'm not suggesting to leave your church because your pastor may believe that. I'm just saying it's not true.

Speaker 1 28:59

And many of the problems that you're experiencing in your life, or some of the problems, could be because you have demons. And when the Western church teaches that Christians can't have demons, there's only two things you got to help you you ready Outside of the Lord and the Bible and church and worship and all that. Number one is therapy, which is a good thing, and then the second thing is your sinful nature. That's it. That's all they can offer you. So your pastor is going to say look, it's your sinful nature. That's why you, mrs Smith, are drinking a bottle of wine every night, because your anxiety is so bad you can't even go to sleep. So you pop a cork and you drink an entire bottle of wine. But that's just your sinful nature. Well, you're self-medicating and oftentimes that's because of trauma and there's demons there. So it's always going to be your sinful nature or therapy, that's it.

Speaker 1 29:58

And so if none of those help, you guess what? Your Western church throws their hands up in the air and says sorry, we can't help you. You must not want to change. That's not true. You have demons. You need exorcism. That's why you struggle. That's why you can't shake whatever it is that you have. But keep in mind, this is only part of the equation Exorcism plus therapy, plus whatever else you might need to become well and healed in a healing journey. Rachel, I'm going to come back to you. Any thoughts on some of this I've been sharing.

Speaker 2 30:39

Yes, absolutely so. I work with people from different churches and ever since I've been trained in this process with Dr Larson and the questionnaire I usually give people, whether Christian or not. I give them this questionnaire just to see what their spiritual profile looks like, and so many times Christians come in with all sorts of entanglements from the occult things that they may have done in the past that maybe they're not doing now, but they've never actually went back and reconciled with the Lord over, and so it's an open door in our life. So, for example, I was working with a young woman recently and she was Christian, but then she was also practicing Hindu Buddhist practices. She was regularly going to meditate in a Hindu temple with her friends and she didn't think that there was anything wrong with that. She was reading some of the writings of those religions and of those teachers. She was watching the YouTube teachers.

Speaker 2 31:53

So all this is to say is that she was very far from the Lord when she came to work with me and through our time together, she manifested several times, and one time she actually became a snake and she was slithering in the armchair where she was sitting in a very unnatural way, but all that is to say it was demonic kind of strongholds that have surfaced over her.

Speaker 2 32:23

I worked with her and now she's very new but budding believer and she can read the Bible and understand it in a different way. She loves the Word of God, she's part of a Christian community, she's growing, she's getting stronger. So this is just one example of a Christian who came to me who was thinking that she was Christian, but she was actually very far from the Lord, was entangled in all sorts of other type of practices, and part of it was because of her health. She was trying to look for ways to heal from certain things and she thought that these other practices could help her heal and so she walked away from the Lord because of that. And so it's amazing, it's like almost night and day the change in her. And this kind of example is true for so many other people that I've worked with and I continue working with in my practice.

Speaker 1 33:22

That's excellent. I had a woman reach out to me that just booked a session. She's been a Christian for 30 years. There's no adultery in her marriage. They're happily married. They have several children. She heard my podcast. She gets a hold of me for a free 20-minute consultation. You could do that. If you'd ever want. Go to justindeedcom forward, slash help and submit the form and if it's a fit, we'll meet for a 20-minute meet and greet and see what's going on and if it'd be a good fit to work together.

Breaking Through Self-Improvement Barriers

Speaker 1 33:54

So this is what she did and here, when she was 21, right before she was married or while she was married, early on in her marriage, she went to a psychic to see if she was going to have children. And when she heard one of my podcasts, the Holy Spirit brought conviction and this memory back to her and she then started understanding about generational curses that could be on the family. And then the Holy Spirit had her remember that her grandmother went to a psychic as well and I'm sure it goes way back further than grandma. This is generational witchcraft and she's seeing and evaluating her world now with this new understanding of spiritual warfare, demons, generational curses, and she sees how it's impacting her children. So she came, humbled herself and said I need help, I need to break this and get rid of these demons. I now understand what's going on, and so just another example of somebody again, this is a working professional. Again, this is a working professional. This is a school teacher, college-educated Christian woman that came across this.

Speaker 1 35:16

Most people would look, oh, that's just a psychic, not a big deal. Satan doesn't care. If you get a tarot card reading, he can come in. See, people want to minimize Satan. Satan can enter you if you, as a sarcastic example, maybe have a rock in your pocket and maybe that rock was used in some type of ritual and you're carrying it around as your good luck rock he could get in that way. Or crystals how many Christians use crystals, lay them on their body and think it's going to bring healing and it's a mess out there. Folks Like we got to get our heads in the game, get cleaned up and get back to the foundation of our Christianity, which is Jesus Christ, salvation, the Trinity, cleaning up, sanctification, dying to self, all that good stuff.

Speaker 1 36:12

I just wanted to share this with you guys to reinforce what Emmy was saying about these Christian clients coming. So here's another thought, and I'm going to come to you about this too, emmy. Here's what I don't get guys, all of you listening. Here's what I do not understand why and I'll say this to you with an assumption that you may be this person and you may not if this does not fit to your situation, by all means disregard it. And I do not mean this in an offensive way. I mean this as a way to challenge and encourage you. Here's my question for you challenge and encourage you. Here's my question for you.

Speaker 1 36:50

Why is it you do not want to self-improve? I want you to think about that for a minute. Why do you not want to self-improve? Why do you want to stay in your dysfunction? Why do you want to stay in the emotional baggage, the traumas?

Speaker 1 37:18

Another question why do you want to live a lie, an illusion that you're okay because you have a marriage and a nice house and nice things? So outwardly it's all a lie. You look well put together but inside very broken. My friend, let me encourage you Improve, improve. You are worthy of improving. You are a creation of God. He loves you. You don't listen to this ministry just on a whim. You're here because God is dealing with you. You and I both know this. So it really boils down to just letting the pride go and saying I'm broken.

Speaker 1 38:10

It doesn't matter about the Facebook pictures, where that's all an illusion too. Everyone's smiling, everybody's happy all the time. All of us listening know that's fake. Certainly there are some true happy pictures on Facebook. I don't mean to imply that every picture out there is a lie, but a lot of it is, and we know that deep down inside. So why don't we improve? Why don't we fix that? Why don't we get rid of demons that are vexing us? That's my question for you listening. That's my encouragement for you. Shatter that lie that you're well put together and you don't have demons and I'm fine, you're fine, we're all fine. Let's just keep smiling our fake smile when we go to church. God bless you, brother, I got the victory. Hallelujah, praise.

Speaker 1 39:06

No, inside you're broken, drinking a bottle of wine every night, or, in my case, I was drinking a gallon of Captain Morgan rum every week. Hey, I'm speaking from personal experience. There's no judgment here. I was broken. Listen to episode one, overcoming the Darkness. Check out my story. You better believe I was broken. I humbled myself and came for help. Rachel, I'm going to come back to you. You are a therapist and you are an exorcist. Why is it that? Why do you think people do not want to self-improve?

Speaker 2 39:50

Justin, it could be different reasons. Some of the reasons that come to mind is that it could be just too broken, that too many things may have happened in their lives and they feel that it's too late for them or there's just no way that they can receive any healing of any sorts or any relief. So that could be one reason. Another reason could be that they may not understand that healing is possible, that no matter what happened to them, god wants that close relationship so that he can change and heal and redeem their lives, and so that's another possibility as well. Is that just people not knowing that healing is possible, no matter what has happened? And a third reason could be that they just don't know. They don't know that the power of the cross, that Jesus died on the cross for this to be set free from the devil, from the enemy, and through his blood. And we have been bought and therefore we belong to Jesus, and when we become part of his kingdom, then the enemy has to flee. Part of his kingdom, then the enemy has to flee. He cannot stay, and so it could be just not knowing.

Words of Encouragement and Hope

Speaker 2 41:20

The Bible says that people perish for the lack of knowledge. Maybe this is what it refers to. But if you think that you're too broken, that is a lie from the enemy. There is room for improvement, there's room for healing, there's room for new in your life, and I can tell you so many stories from my own experience working with people over the many years that I have been a counselor, that healing is possible, and no matter how broken you think you are, it's not a burden or a hardship of God to start healing you and redeeming you, and in ways that you don't even know, wonderful ways that you don't even know or understand how it could happen. And so I would say give God the benefit of the doubt and give him a chance and turn to him and offer up your brokenness. Go for counseling and go for exorcism and maybe a combination of both and pray and study the Bible and deepen your relationship with the Lord and see where he will lead you.

Speaker 1 42:33

This is where we're at, guys. We have been on this journey together through all of these episodes and the message is the same you can be free. And my hope is that you would take this is like I've said this many times if I would have had this when I was, say, 19, 20 years old or even 30, my entire life could have been so much better. So I just want to encourage you guys listening and to say this is available for you and it doesn't have to be with my ministry, it could be with any deliverance ministry. Just research it, make sure it's valid and legitimate and they're submitted to some type of pastoral covering, etc. Etc. And really consider taking this up and getting into the self-improvements I think we've shared enough in this episode to give you guys food for thought. I appreciate each of you coming and listening and I pray that you are encouraged by this, not discouraged, but encouraged by it.

Speaker 1 43:44

And speaking of encouragement, rachel, I'm going to come to you at the end of every episode. Encouragement, rachel, I'm going to come to you at the end of every episode. I always ask my guest to offer words of encouragement to the listeners. So there are people listening who know that they need deliverance, but maybe they're afraid. There are people who are listening that are on the fence about it, and then there are people who are listening or just there's just no way. So there's different types of people that listen, and so, rachel, I'd like for you to offer some words of encouragement to those listening. Why should they consider going through a deliverance?

Speaker 2 44:26

I want to encourage everyone out there who's listening that, no matter what happened to you, that healing is possible, that there's nothing that the Lord can't heal and can't set right in due time.

Speaker 2 44:45

And I would love to share a lot more stories with you. In my years of many years of practice Now, I've seen so many healings and deliverances, people getting better, completely better, from being traumatized like severely traumatized. So it is not true that you're too broken and there's no hope for you. That is the lie of the enemy. There's no hope for you. That is the lie of the enemy. And so I would like to challenge you to look into counseling, look into the medication, look into the exorcism and, even beyond all of this, press into Jesus, keep him right in the forefront and learn the Bible and pray to him and ask him into your life and ask him to step into every single situation that you're facing. And as you're doing that, you will see, you'll start to see the fingerprints of God in your life and how he works and the amazing things that he's going to be doing with your life and with you, and you will truly never be the same.