Why Western Churches Are Failing At Deliverance

Can Western Christianity actually keep believers in spiritual bondage?

In this episode of The Blind Exorcist, I sit down with Jennifer — a successful realtor, devoted mother, and committed Christian whose testimony exposes a serious failure within Westernized Christianity. After coming to Christ, Jennifer faithfully attended church, served in ministry, prayed, read Scripture, and sought help from church leadership — yet her depression, addiction, sexual bondage, and demonic attacks only intensified. When she asked for help, the church had no answers beyond therapy referrals and encouragement to “read the Bible more.”

With no framework for the supernatural, Western Christianity failed her. Desperate for relief, Jennifer turned to New Age practices like Reiki, crystals, meditation, tarot, and mediumship. These practices offered temporary peace but ultimately deepened the bondage. What promised healing became spiritual deception — until she finally recognized the presence of demons and reached out for deliverance.

In this episode, I share how I personally took Jennifer through deep exorcism sessions — breaking generational curses, renouncing New Age practices, closing legal rights, and expelling demons that had tormented her since childhood. When the supernatural was finally addressed, real healing began. Jennifer’s testimony is a sober, evidence-based wake-up call for believers trapped in a version of Christianity that proclaims salvation through Jesus Christ, yet lacks the framework to help those who are demonized.

📌 What you’ll discover in this episode:

✅ Why Western Christianity often denies the supernatural
✅ How successful, functional Christians can still be demonized
✅ How childhood trauma and generational curses open spiritual doors
✅ Why therapy alone often fails to bring lasting freedom
✅ How New Age practices offer temporary relief while increasing bondage
✅ What happened during Jennifer’s exorcism when generational curses were broken
✅ Why deliverance must be restored to Christian discipleship
This is a challenging but hope-filled episode for Christians who feel stuck in Western Christianity — tormented, spiritually exhausted, and unable to find real help within the church. Jennifer’s testimony proves that Jesus still delivers, and that true freedom requires confronting both trauma and demons — a supernatural battle many believers are never taught how to recognize or confront.

Transcript

Welcome — The Hidden Problem in Western Christianity

Justin 0:37

Welcome back, my friend. Here we are yet again. We are up to episode 39. You are, in fact, listening to the blind exorcist. First, let me start by saying Happy New Year. I pray you had an amazing celebration with family and friends. I'm excited about 2026. Lots of amazing testimonies coming this year. So get ready. And thank you so much for tuning in. And real quick, I want to say a warm welcome to all of my international listeners. Sometimes I can run a report on what countries listen to the podcast. And there are quite a few outside of the United States, and that's where I'm located. So I just want to say welcome. Thank you so much for listening. I'm glad you are here. And I want to let everyone know that I pray for you guys. Now, today's episode is a great one. It's outstanding. And here's why. I've been writing a book for the past year. It's my autobiography. And when it comes out, obviously I'm going to encourage you to read it because it's packed full of encouragement, inspiration, challenge, but it's my entire life. And it's an amazing story, all wrapped up through Jesus Christ. You'll get a lot out of it. But in my book, I talk about the Western church. And what I mean by Western church is the churches in America, Europe, Canada, Australia, etc., that rationalize and intellectualize Christianity. Now, this necessarily is not a problem. And what I mean by Western Christianity is that it's come into the academic university model. So everybody goes to university, a Christian university, not a problem, but hear me out. And they gain this rationalized version of the Bible. Not a problem. Hear me out. But what the seminaries do is they strip out the supernatural aspect of our faith. And part of that supernatural aspect is exorcism. Because the supernatural does not fit into rationalization because it's not rational, it's supernatural. So you have pastors come out of seminary that have been trained that Christians cannot have demons. That's a problem. This is what I mean by Western Christianity. Go up to your pastor today and say, Pastor, I have demons. Can you please put me through an exorcism and watch what type of reaction you get? Why is that that the pastor would say Christians can't have demons? His seminary training. And there is a bias toward the supernatural from all these seminaries. How did that happen? I discuss this in my book. But there is history behind this. There's history behind how we got here. Okay, this just didn't happen. We all could read the Bible and say and see that Jesus Christ cast out demons. So in this episode today, I interviewed Jennifer. I worked with her for three or four sessions, and the Western church failed her. It failed me as well when it comes to the supernatural. Learning about Jesus and the Greek and the Hebrew and all these words and context and all of that, great. I learn a lot from it. Most people do. But what about those who have demons? We're not a fit because we're not rational. The supernatural isn't rational. So there's no room for it. So we talk about this in this episode. We touch on this. This isn't the main thrust of this episode, but there's a segment where we talk about this. How Jennifer suffered from demons, how the Christian church could not help her, and because she could not get help, she wound up going into the new age for healing and freedom, and wound up getting more demons. And yes, we talk about demons, yes, we talk about her exorcism, we talk about her childhood, the trauma she'd been through, all of the normal stuff of the blind exorcist here. But we also touch on this whole concept of the failure of westernized Christianity. Now, I'm not saying this to have you bash pastors and leave churches. I attend a westernized church that's rational and intellectual. They instruct the Bible. That's awesome. But I also know that they only have half the equation. Meanwhile, I go to church as an exorcist. I can't tell them I'm an exorcist or they'll kick me out. And yet, people all around me are in complete bondage. I can see it. I can hear it when I talk to them. The suffering and the struggles that they talk about. They just think it's the sinful nature. So I'm excited. I'm excited. This is a case and point here that's going to come across very strong, very evidence-based, that Christians can have demons. Okay? I want you guys to meet Jennifer. Get ready. This is a really good, challenging episode, and I encourage you to text it to a friend right now so that we can begin as a community to raise awareness that yes, Christians can have demons. Let's go ahead and jump in here and meet Jennifer and hear her testimony. Jennifer, welcome to the blind exorcist.

Jennifer 7:26

Hey Justin, thank you so much for having me on. I really am excited to share my testimony and glorify Jesus.

Justin 7:33

Amen. And it is a powerful one. And guys, Jennifer is a realtor, a working professional. She's great at her job. And you guys know have listened for a while. I always mention this that I have people come on that are working professionals to shatter the stereotype that only the severely mentally ill, mentally disabled can have demons. Or maybe possibly, maybe possibly a Christian could have some sort of like minor oppression, affliction. Jennifer had demons that manifested in her, spoke out her mouth to me just like Legion in the Bible. Got that? So this idea that Christians can't have demons is ridiculous. And we're gonna get into this. That's why I have this podcast out here. For those of you who are Christians or perhaps in the new age and seeking truth about it, Jennifer was heavily into the new age. We'll get into this a little bit. But understand, if you have torment that won't let up, you have demons. That's more than likely what's going on. And yes, it can be mental health conditions, it can be demons, but oftentimes it's a mixture of both. That's why therapy can only take you so far and you never get full relief because therapy deals with the emotions. Exorcism deals with the spiritual aspect of demons and being vexed and tormented by demons. So, Jennifer, let's talk a little bit about your career as a realtor. I know you're really good at it. You've got the perfect personality for it. Tell us a little bit of what that's been like for you.

Jennifer 9:33

It's been good, Justin. It's been good. I love working with people, I love being able to help them. Buying and selling real estate is very stressful. So I feel like I'm a therapist, I'm a support network, I'm a wealth of information to people and hopefully can calm their nerves about purchasing maybe the first property. Sometimes selling a home is very sad and not a good experience. It could be stressful. So I just is something I'm a people person. I love working with people. I love being there to guide them and help them. And the power of prayer has fueled my business where other realtors struggle because they don't have that access, maybe to God that I do, because he leads me to different properties. He leads me to where people are. I just sold a property of a lady who's widowed. She was older and she was scared to go into an apartment, but she couldn't afford living in her home. So I prayed about it. We found a beautiful apartment for her. First try, everything she wanted, first floor, laundry, everything. Sold her home to a beautiful brand new couple who's having a baby. And I just spoke to her the other day. She is so happy in her new apartment. And I give the glory to God because that whole situation was God-led. It's very interesting. I was actually in real estate prior to being a Christian, and it was a lot more difficult because I didn't have that access to God and prayer. So that guidance really helps, and the compassion and everything sets me apart, I think, than for than other realtors.

Childhood Trauma and Spiritual Open Doors

Justin 11:10

That is absolutely awesome. I love how God uses our personalities for his purposes, no matter what we're doing in life. Jennifer is in real estate. Again, she does great work and listen to the compassion and care for helping. So she's pulling in her faith into her work. That's awesome. So again, here we have a realtor. You can hear her. The passion around it, the people, the stability. Understand that we're talking about someone who's functional in life. Okay, not someone with chronic mental disability, somebody whose life is a complete train wreck. Now, we're all train wrecks, let's be honest. Honestly, that's why I went through an exorcism in therapy. Listen to episode one, overcoming the darkness. That's my story. Yes, I was a train wreck. And so was Jennifer before going through her exorcism. You guys know the drill that have been listening. It always starts in childhood. Always, in my personal opinion. Curses in the womb spoken over your life, curse of rejection spoken over your life from your mother, father, generational demons passed on to you at birth. And those demons have appetites. And we're going to get into this with Jennifer, because she was born with generational demons. But before we dive into her exorcism, Jennifer, I'm going to come over to you. Let's talk a little bit about your childhood because you did not have the best childhood, and most of us have not. So tell us a little bit about your childhood.

Descent Into Drugs And Pregnancy Crisis

Jennifer 13:25

Yeah, sure. I would love to, Justin. Yes. So growing up, I grew up with two parents that were married. My father was actually a functional alcoholic. He was, I come from an Italian background. He was the quintessential rageholic, loudmouth, charismatic father, but he could be very scary at times. When he would get drunk and he had anger fits, anger, it was very scary. He's would threaten suicide, get his guns, and it was always walking on eggshells growing up. My mother was very docile, sweet, loving, caring, but not there, like a little bit removed. I think she had to be to live with my father. But she took very good care of us. She was a very great mother. And I always had this fear of my mother dying and not being there. So that plagued me throughout my life, especially when she would work nights because she was like a nurse and I would be home with my father and my brother. And I would always have this fear that she was gonna die and leave me. So that plagued me, like abandonment fears growing up. And my brother, he had a lot of issues. He had, when he was younger, they would call it like an oppositional defiant disorder. He was always in trouble. He would tease me relentlessly and just then when he would get like teenage years, he had mental problems. He would be in and out of psych wards. They would say he had bipolar or ADHD or depression, just different things. My grandmother, who lived on the other side because we had a mother-daughter house, she had a history of like schizophrenia. Not too bad, but she wasn't quite well, we could tell. But growing up, it was stressful. It was we had money, not too much money, but we weren't dirt poor. But I always felt poor. I don't know why I had that feeling. I always felt we were very poor. And we had horses, which I don't know a poor person that has horses, but I just always felt poor. I think because I grew up in a town that was very rich, and a lot of the kids had big houses. We had this farmhouse, it was a little bit run down. I to this day still think there was stuff in there. It was haunted and stuff, but I didn't feel like I fit in with the other kids because I didn't have this big, rich house. And I was into horses, so that took my mind off of a lot of stuff that was going on in the house. But it it did, it put a foundation of fear in me. It put a found it led me to bad relationships later on in my life because of my father just not being there. He was there physically, but not emotionally the way I felt loved. But I never felt loved by him. I was more of a fear, but just was always afraid of him. So everything changed when I was 12. I went to a new middle school. I met a group of girls that were a little bit rebellious. They were into different types of music, like nirvana and different punk music, and it started taking me down smoking weed and drinking and different groups of people that I actually for the first time ever felt like I fit in with. They thought like me, they felt like me. And at that same time, I started experiencing some depression, anxiety. I started having night terrors, paralyzations where I'd be sleeping and I felt like something was holding me down and I couldn't speak. And by eighth grade, I started going to a psychiatrist, a therapist, not and they put me on a like an antidepressant, and I started seeing a therapist, but I didn't stick with it long because it was boring and I just didn't feel like it was helping. But I started the one thing I was doing that was good was I was cheerleading for my school, but that quickly ended because I was being bullied by the other girls that were in there saying I was fat. So then I went on a diet, which led to bulimia. And so, on top of all this stuff that's going on, I started becoming bulimic and starving myself in between because I didn't feel good enough. And that's what I think the whole thing behind all my choices was insecurity, not feeling good enough, not feeling loved. And I was just trying to run from that my whole life and trying to find love in the wrong places and numbing the feelings I had by drugs and alcohol. And one thing led to another. I found more and more friends that were into these, into drugs and alcohol, the party scene, started experimenting with different drugs, acid, ecstasy, and cocaine. Just it progressed and progressed until I started actually smoking crack and doing heroin. And I think I was like 17 by that age. And I was in school, but my school wasn't good. I barely went. So I ended up dropping out of that school. I went to an alternative school where that was when my heroin addiction really took off and was like a daily thing. And I remember seeing the movie basketball diaries and being like, no, that's not gonna happen to me. I'm just like a recreational user, and I'm not gonna be doing this every day until it started becoming every day. And it just came out of nowhere. Like I wasn't a user that would use drugs every day. It was just a party thing. And before I knew it, I was really physically addicted to heroin. And pretty soon after that, my mom started finding out. And I went to a rehab for a couple of weeks, got out, do it again, different rehab, and the cycle continued. And then when I was 19, I actually at this point at now I had been arrested for petty things, marijuana, things like that. The last time I was arrested, they said, I think you need to go to a long-term rehab. And they actually sent me down to Florida. So I went to Delray Beach, Florida for a treatment program. And I was doing good. And I really had high hopes. And I was in there, and then I was sent to a halfway house. I was doing good until once again I met the wrong person and started using again. And this person was somebody who was a romantic interest. So I was like in love with him, and he was an ex-dealer. He had he was much older than me, and like maybe 10 years, I think about. And he led me to heroin again. And I started using for on Halloween, we relapsed, started doing heroin, and a couple weeks later, I actually found out I was pregnant. And this was my first pregnancy ever. So I was like, I always wanted to have a baby. Like I that was my dream to have a child. So when I found out I was pregnant, it wasn't like a question of, oh, what am I gonna do? I'm gonna get an abortion. Like I was excited. And even though I knew this guy could not really support me, I was 20 years old. And I just really had high hopes that it would all work out. But he wanted to continue using. And he said, I can't support a child. So that next night that I actually found out that I was pregnant, he was driving to go do a deal. And we were followed by a cop car. And I just knew that this cop car was going to pull us over. And he had drugs on him. And we pulled into the gas station and he put the drugs in the trunk. And we drove off and the cop car followed us. And before I knew I was being pulled over, a million things were running through my mind, but I was like, I can't go to jail because his stuff was in my trunk. And I'm like, I knew the law enough to know that it wasn't on him. It was in my car. And if anybody was going to get arrested, it was going to be me because that was my car. So I ended up getting pulled over. I got arrested, did some time in the police, the jail there. And I ended up keeping the baby. And I ended up telling my mom everything and went back to my state where I was originally from. Wow.

Abortion, Shame, And Mercy

Justin 22:18

Okay. From an exorcist perspective, this makes sense. And this is the case for many people's lives. The rejection, the abandonment from her father, the fear, the anxiety because of his rage and anger, the instability in the home, never feeling safe. And as a child growing up in that type of environment, you're going to find safety somehow, some way. She even mentioned that she needed a release from this. So Satan leads her to these guys, Nirvana, punk bands, and the drug start. And it's just a classic hand of Satan. Start with marijuana, then this, then that, then this, then that, then heroin addiction. But ultimately, Satan is wanting to kill her. And listen to that. By the time she's 17, 18, 9, she's 19, she's going through rehabs because of the heroin addiction. She has a child. She decides to keep it. Awesome. But there is a pattern here. And that pattern starts back at the home. What was your home like, my friend? Did you have stability? Did you feel safe? Did your father love you? Did you have a father? Did your mother love you? Was she functional? Was your mother an alcoholic? Did your mother have people, boys and men coming in and out, not boys, but men, bringing them in, shacking up, then they leave, bring another one in, shack them up, move around, all that instability. And your father, was he abusive? I know Jennifer's father was physically abusive to her as well. Your father, was he abusive to you verbally, emotionally? As humans, we want to protect our parents. So we'd be like, oh, my dad was great. My mom was good. They provided, they put food on the table, they gave me clothes, and they weren't perfect. My dad was an alcoholic. Sometimes he'd hit me, but I know he loved me. Really? Love is shown through hugs, kisses, you're special, being fully present emotionally. Listen to this, friend. If you were raised in a family, and I think most of us have been, most of us have been raised in dysfunction and then come to Christ. And those who are raised in a Christian home, oftentimes those homes are dysfunctional. I'm telling you, I mean, I work with people all the time that are Christians who were raised in a Christian home and the father's addicted to pornography, or the mother's a secret alcoholic, or whatever. So it doesn't matter if you're raised in a Christian home or a mother that's cold and disconnected, never hugs you, but it's a Christian home. Father's constantly working and never engaged with you, but it's a Christian home. Okay, so I just want to mention this to you for food for thought, because this is where demons enter. Rejection, abandonment, physical abuse, alcoholism, drugs, yada yada yada, demons. Then all of a sudden you become a Christian and you're like, oh, all the demons went bye-bye. That's what Western Christianity teaches. Literally. Jennifer's picking up many demons. They are generational, and I've mentioned this before that demons have appetites. She had a curse of death on her life. We'll get into that later. They're trying to kill her by 17, 18 years old. Generational demons. Curse of death. They chose to try to kill her through drugs, through the rejection. She's with a drug dealer thinking she's in love with him. And I know many of you can relate to this, not to drug dealer, but dating abusive men, dating abusive women, getting into different relationships like lesbianism, homosexuality, trying to find love, et cetera, et cetera. I want to mention something here, and I'm going to set this aside, what I've just discussed. That's food for thought. But I want to touch on something that's very sensitive. And I want to share this as encouragement for many women listening around the world. This audience is international, and I thank everybody who comes and listens. Thank you, my friend. For all the women listening. Jennifer had an abortion. She is forgiven by Jesus Christ. The demons that entered her through the abortion were expelled. And that's what I want you to understand. Number one, Satan is a punk. He puts you in situations to where you have to have an abortion and then he shames you. God will never forgive you. You're a murderer. God will never love you. You'll never be forgiven. All lies. The Bible clearly says if you confess your sins, he is faithful and just to forgive you and to cleanse you from all unrighteousness. That's what the Bible says. Who cares what Satan says? You can be forgiven. The demons who entered you through the abortion can be expelled. And you can hit the reset button just like Jennifer did. So I'm going to come over to you, Jennifer, if you can share with the women listening around the world, or even the men, even the men who have made women get abortions. God can forgive you for that too, my friend. This is fixable. This isn't the unforgivable sin. Understand that.

Jennifer 28:46

Yes, Justin. I had my daughter in 2003 and basically wanted to meet someone, a good husband, and settle down and get married. But while I was in school going to school, because at the time I wanted to go to school for to be an ultrasound sonographer, I met somebody that at first was he was a good match. And then quickly I saw some controlling aspects and realized he was pretty much a narcissistic man. But because of my past and everything, I got I stayed with him for a while and a couple of years, eventually 12 years. But in about three years in, I got pregnant and I knew I didn't want at that time to have a child with him. So he had agreed, and we both agreed to get an abortion. And so oddly, when I went to the clinic, there were protesters out there and were pro-life. I was not a Christian at the time, so I was not pro-life in my views. So it wasn't a it wasn't a good experience at all. It was awful and I felt guilty. But I knew at that time I could not have another child. So I don't live with guilt currently. I know that God has forgiven me, and I know that Satan had set me up for that. Like Justin said, you will get pregnant and then he will make you feel guilty. And he's it's a setup. It's a setup from Satan. So anybody who's had abortions don't feel shame, guilt over it. We're supposed to grieve over our sins, which is normal to not do them again. But we can't live with guilt and shame because Jesus died for us to be free.

Saved Yet Attacked: Seeking Church Help

Justin 30:40

And that's my view on it. Amen. So keep that in mind. If you've had an abortion, obviously I'm gonna recommend being in therapy for that, but to deal with the spiritual aspect, get a hold of me. I can help through the authority and compassion of Jesus Christ. Okay, we're going to skip over a lot of Jennifer's story here, and we're gonna come to the place where she becomes a Christian. Okay. So she decides to attend church in America, Western church, and after she becomes a Christian, she starts having demonic attacks, sleep paralysis, visitations. This is so common. And so she's going to this Western church, which again, Western Christianity, and I'm not talking about Christianity in Nigeria, Singapore, Brazil, Guatemala. They have absolutely no problem with the supernatural. And after someone becomes a Christian, putting them through an exorcism, and most of these countries, that's the that's viewed as a part of discipleship. It's not this one-off, wacky ministry like Western Christianity tries to make it out to be, because our seminaries teach nothing but rationalization, and they have stripped out the supernatural aspect of our faith through rationalization and bringing Christianity into a university logical format. Fine. Get a bachelor's in theology, great, wonderful, but don't strip out the supernatural aspect of our faith and make it strictly about rationalization because you want to have control over the church and congregation. You don't want to deal with that messy stuff about demons. So most people in Western churches go living an illusion, having demons tormented, sitting in church in a controlled, systematic, academic version of Christianity. Dude, I've been in a I've been a Christian for many years, and I can tell you this is not good. So many people are tormented. And I've worked with every denomination imaginable: pastors, elders, deacons, worship leaders. It doesn't matter. I've worked with them all, and they secretly have to come to me. You tell me that's good, that's right. No, it's not. And this year I'm going to be touching here and there on this whole westernized Christianity. I've touched on it in the past podcasts as well. Jennifer gets saved. She goes to a Christian church, she's getting attacked by demons and decides to go to church leadership for help. Jennifer, can you explain to us what happened when you went to church leadership for help?

What If the Church Actually Had Deliverance?

Jennifer 34:19

Yes, Justin. So my I had a son at that point. He was a year old, and my daughter was about six. So I was heavily involved in the church and the groups they had, their mops and different things. So there was a woman pastor who was in charge of the children's ministry and the different mop groups and stuff. So I felt very comfortable going to her and just telling her that I was unable to stop drinking and I knew that it was a problem. I would not be able to stop fornicating. And I was having a lot of depression and just different attacks that was happening that were not going away. And it was actually getting worse instead of getting better. And I think she might have said, You just need to read your Bible more and pray more and maybe see a therapist. And that was just the extent of it. And as time went on, it just kept getting worse and worse. And I just felt like I was a failure in the world. And I was a failure at this thing called Christianity. And I started because demons speak to your mind. And a lot of times our thoughts are from demons that they would tell me, this book is not true. It's not real. You are not doing it right. I felt a lot of shame, condemnation. I felt a lot of awful feelings about myself. So I felt actually better when I was in the world than I did in the church because I couldn't be like the other girls who were married and had kids and were not experiencing the sin and the attacks that I were was. I just was like uh closer and closer to realizing, thinking to myself that the Bible was not real, that Jesus was probably not real. And this was all just a cult. It didn't help that I had a neighbor who was a witch. And I I didn't know she was a witch, but she was telling me, you're in a cult, you're in a cult. And I started to believe it. I really did. I started to believe that Christianity was just a cult to keep it was organized religion made up by some man, and because it wasn't working for me. It wasn't working. In fact, it was getting my symptoms were getting worse, my dailies were getting worse, and I was not experiencing the freedom that Jesus talked about. So eventually led to me leaving. And I ended up leaving the church and wanting nothing to do with Christianity at all. And I actually did for a little period of time did go to Catholicism because I thought they were less hypocritical than Christians. I felt like Christians were the biggest hypocrites because there's other things that happened in the church with Christians saying they were loving and then you know, backstabbing and stuff like that. So yeah, I think that demons do set us up for offense and different things. And they want us to think that Christians are hypocrites. And what I was experiencing, that's what I thought. So for a long time, I was just like, I don't want anything to do with church and nothing to do with Christians.

Turning To New Age For Relief

Illusion Of Healing And Deeper Bondage

Justin 37:29

Thank you, Jennifer, for sharing that experience with us. And this is what's so sad. Here we are, yet again, somebody that goes to a pastor, someone in leadership, saying, I'm struggling with depression, having sex can't stop, alcoholism can't stop. In all the westernized rational intellectual church can say is, I believe that you need to go to therapy. Go to therapy and we will pray for thee. Okay? Now, imagine if they had deliverance as a function of the church, not some wacky one-off where every deliverance minister in America and Europe and Canada and Australia have to have their own websites, their own ministries. Shame on the Western church for that. And I will tell you this Jesus Christ is not happy with it at all. Can you imagine if there was a deliverance minister/slash exorcist at the church? Let's go through Jennifer's scenario again. So she comes up to a pastor and says, I can't stop having sex. I'm depressed. I can't get rid of her alcoholism. They're trained in deliverance and they understand that the potential of demons being here is real. So the pastor refers Jennifer to the deliverance minister in the church. And let's just say it's me as an example. So Jennifer comes, I have her fill out the intake questions, which I do for every client. If you ever come see me, there's questions you fill out. And I sit down and I look over this. And I see rejection from the father. I see abuse. Okay. Then I see the drug addiction starting in her teenage years and not fitting in. Okay. I start to see a little bit of a pattern here: the rejection, the emotional abandonment, the abuse, the instability. My eyebrow raises. This potentially has some demons here in this mix. And then I see that she can't get off of heroin. Okay, something's trying to kill her. And on and on it goes as I use analysis to look over this. And then I look at her DNA results, and I see what regions of the world she's been from, her DNA is from. And I understand the demons that are in those regions. And then I take Jennifer through an exorcism, expel the demons causing the compulsion around sex, the depression, deal with the abortion, get rid of them demons, the guilt, the shame, get rid of all the addictions, the alcoholism, all that. And I find the generational curse, the root of all of these symptoms, because this is all symptoms, by the way. All the new age practices people get into, all of the sex, all the porn, all the whatever it is, it doesn't matter what it is, those are symptoms of a root. So I find the root, the generational curse, have her renounce it, break it, expel the demons, and she feels great. Then I tell her, go to therapy, work through some of the rejection and abandonment from your father and issues around men and so forth, and work around the abortion. So she goes to a Christian therapist, she works through those issues, and now she is a functional Christian in the body of Christ. What a difference. This has to stop. This rationalized version of Christianity. That has no answers other than therapy and medication, and read your Bible, has to stop because that's only half of the solution. They're missing the entire other half of the equation, exorcism, because they want to be in control of the congregation. They don't want disruptions because exorcism and demons can't be controlled. So it's messy. And they don't like things being messy. They like to have control. They love things to be organized and structured and rational. So we're all so prim and proper while people sit there suicidal, addicted to porn, infidelity, people having affairs all through the church, all pastors who fall into sexual sin. Yeah, it makes perfect sense to me as an exorcist. You got demons. And because you've adopted a westernized version of Christianity that says Christians can't have demons, you fall. It's not hard to understand at all. Okay, I've labored enough on this, but this is where I'm coming from in my book and with many of the clients that I've worked with. It's a shame when I work with a client, every client I work with, I tell them find a good Bible-teaching church, but don't talk about demons in your exorcism because they'll kick you out or they'll think you're crazy and avoid you. How sad. I literally, because some of these people aren't even Christians, they get saved and come to me for exorcism. And Justin, what do I do? You find a church, and here's what I'm gonna tell you: don't talk about demons, don't talk about exorcism because they're gonna think you're crazy. Because in Western churches, they believe Christians can't have demons. This is what I'm telling clients I work with. Talk about insanity. Let me move on. Justin puts his soapbox away and steps away and bows to the audience. Okay, Jennifer, we're going to get into leaving Christianity and getting into the new age because there was no power in the Western church for her. Nothing was helping her. She couldn't get rid of the depression. She couldn't get rid of having sex with these people. She couldn't get rid of the alcoholism. So if Jesus can't do that for her, which he absolutely can if they believed in deliverance, in Jennifer's case, she leaves Christianity and starts going into the new age because she needs help. She's hurting. And this is how many people enter the new age practices like Reiki energy healing and chakras and crystals and all that stuff because they're trying to heal themselves because they're hurting. Jennifer, I'm going to come over to you. Can you tell us a little bit of maybe two or three of the new age stuff you got into and how you got into them?

Jennifer 44:21

Yes, Justin. So basically, like I said, I was living in an apartment building and across the hall was a lady that I didn't know she was doing witchcraft, but we had become close friends. She would always talk about how she was Padro Pio's relative, and she could see in the spirit, she could see dead people. She got me into learning about necromancy, being a medium, stuff like that. I wasn't, but I would try. And I did reke, I did yoga, meditation, law of attraction, just basically all that stuff. And she would teach me about crystals and just different ways of tarot cards, all this stuff. So basically, the demons brought me smorgash board of different things I could try to feel better. Sometimes I'd get relief. So I did get a therapist as well. Like I said, none of it really helped.

Justin 45:27

And I mentioned this in Maria's episode, the episode right before this one, how demons back off when you do these different spiritual modalities, they back off temporarily to give you relief. And then they come back in and torment you to get you to go into something else. Then they back off and let you feel relief. You go into crystals, they back off, you feel relief. Then they come back, torment you. So then you go to Reiki energy healing, they back off, you feel better. And then eventually, be it two months, three months, they come back, they torment you. Then you go into another modality, and you just keep piling on like a smorgasborg and everything that you engage with deepens your possession. That's what people don't understand, and that's what's so sad because they feel Satan paints it like this. Here's how Satan paints all this new age stuff.

Return To Christ And First Breakthroughs

SPEAKER_01 46:20

You are so in tune, you are so wholesome. Just the beauty of the meditation, and you are of such higher consciousness, and it's just the essence of being. This is wonderful.

Justin 46:37

You're so pure. And uh, talk to them where they all dress in white, the purity and the burn of candles, and Satan gives this illusion that you are so pure. This is so wonderful, it's so beautiful, it's so colorful, it's so freeing. And the whole time he's putting chain after chain of bondage on your soul, your emotions, how you feel, your thoughts, how you think, and you are demon-possessed. They call them bad entities, so they do a cleansing. All of this is mockery of exorcism. You really want cleansed from demons, from what new age people call bad entities or negative energy or demons. Come see me. Go book a free consultation, justind.com forward slash help. And if it's a fit, I'm gonna meet with you for 20 minutes and we can talk. So Jennifer eventually realizes that she has demons, comes back to Christ, and I worked with her on an exorcism. Jennifer, what made you eventually realize this is demons and I need an exorcism?

Deep Deliverance And Generational Curses

Jennifer 47:57

Like I said, I walked away from the church for about seven years. It had nothing to do with Christianity. So eventually there's more to the story, but I came back to Christ. As soon as I came back to Christ, I started watching people on YouTube, preachers, and different people on YouTube about Christianity because when I used to be in, I used to watch different preachers on YouTube. But the second I came back, there was a whole different genre of Christians. It wasn't your older white lady Christian and TD Jakes anymore. It was all these different demon slayers and different Christians that were on there, and they were talking about demons and renouncing and repenting from sins and unforgiveness. And I remember I listened to one and it was a renouncement prayer. And it was renouncing witchcraft, all the different practices of new age, all these different things. So I went through with this pastor on the YouTube. I said it, everything with him, and I remember as soon as I was finished, I felt like this weight was lifted. And a lot of these desires that I had, sexual desires were starting to fade. I was also at the time I smoked cigarettes and I couldn't get free of that. And that desire faded, just different things. So it was like something's in that. And so his next episode was talking about how demons can be in Christians. And it did not take me a lot of convincing to realize that I was demonized. It really didn't, looking over my life, knowing what I've been through, because I always had this thing in my mind. No, I had low self-esteem, but why do I want to actually systematically destroy my life and put myself into situations where death is very a very good option for me. So I it just didn't make sense that I was actually trying to, in other words, kill myself slowly through these different modalities. So it it didn't take me a long time to convince. And I saw it was scriptural, it was in the Bible. Demon Jesus casted out demons, but it made sense. So I found somebody online and then I found Justin and I went from there.

Life After Deliverance — Jennifer’s Final Encouragement

Justin 50:25

Yes, and we've probably had three, maybe four sessions where we were breaking generational curses off of her life so that those root generational demons could be dealt with. And so she went through other deliverance ministries before coming to me. Awesome. Every bit of deliverance can help. But working with a woman here recently, coming out of the new age and all these practices, and she had been to some other deliverance ministries, and she would get some relief, but she just knew there was still something there. And I explained to her that yes, all deliverance is helpful, but when you're in the new age and these types of practices, you got to go deep. And so my training is that very deep. It's just we don't just meet to pray. I look down the intake questions that you fill out, and I use analysis and critical thinking, and I step through that looking for patterns based on my certification trained by Dr. Larson. So it's a very clinical approach. I always say that because it does remind me of almost like a therapeutic approach. Now, we're not counselors, we're not therapists, but my ex-wife is a licensed clinical counselor. So I was married for 15 years and I've been around this, and Dr. Larson's approach is similar. So Jennifer came and we went deep. We got to the generational curses, one from Italy, another one from Russia. I don't remember the other ones, but these were renounced specifically, and the demons expelled. And that's when she really had breakthrough, getting the generational curses broken. How can that happen as a Christian? Your ancestors commit sin, and that gets passed down the bloodline. And until someone renounces that sin, that just keeps getting passed on right down the bloodline. And Jennifer has broken these curses that were vexing her. Now, in her ancestry, she could have billions of generational curses. Satan's very strategic. He says, These three or four curses, you demons, I want you to take curse A, B, C, and D and pit these against Jennifer and kill her. And so there's specific generational curses that Satan uses to target you, target me, target Jennifer, etc. And if you don't get the generational curses and you get surface things out like depression or lust or these sorts of things, that's fine, but it doesn't get to the root. So if you've been through deliverance and you're not feeling free, this is why. And again, I encourage you to go to justind.com forward slash help. Sign up for a 20-minute free consultation. I love meeting with people. It's a pleasurable experience. And if it's a fit, I will absolutely meet with you and help you. And everybody that I meet with for 20 minutes, at the end, they always say, You have helped me so much understand what's going on because I put the pieces together for them. Because when you're in the midst of this, you can't really put everything together. And sometimes it's nice to have someone on the outside say, Okay, here's what happened, then this and this, and here's the pattern. So keep that in mind. Okay, we've shared a lot here today. This has been a great episode. I hope you found it inspiring, encouraging, and compassionate. That's what this ministry is about. Remember, I keep it raw and real. This is the trenches, this is the streets, this is real life. This isn't that glossy fake Christianity where we're all happy and praise Jesus. Oh, we are all perfectly happy here, and we just live in our little Christian perfect bubble. Our Christian perfect little bubble, right? I hope you're laughing with me, okay? No, dude, we're talking about real life, trauma, occultism, abortion, all of these things, dude. This is real. That's why people come and listen, they know that this is real. This just isn't that fake flavor of Christianity that our Western culture has created, where we're all smiling, we're all happy, and we're all in bondage. Okay. If you have found this episode informational, educational, challenging, inspirational, I encourage you right now to text it to a friend and tell them to check it out and let you know what they think of it. This is a great conversational piece. So the friends that you text this to, get on a call with them afterwards, after they've listened to it and talk about it. Feel it out. See what you guys think about can Christians have demons? And does the Western church keep people in bondage? You guys know at the end of every episode, I always ask my guests to leave us words of encouragement. And this is for you, my friend. You listening. Thank you again for coming and listening. I appreciate it. Jennifer, I'm going to come to you in a minute and I want you to leave some encouragement for the audience here. Okay. So you've been through a lot. The Lord's been merciful. He's been compassionate. He's restored your life. That's the benefit of exorcism combined with therapy. You just can't have exorcism without therapy. It requires both, in my personal opinion. Jennifer, you're restored. You're serving Christ. Your life is much better. In your opinion, let's leave some encouragement. Why should a person get an exorcism?

Jennifer 56:59

Yeah, Justin. So, like I like you said, I've gone through deliverance. I'm experiencing so much freedom in my life. So I'm a person that walked twice. I would like to say I walked twice with Christ. The first time for seven years in the church with demons, and the second time without. And I could tell you the scriptures are true. The scriptures are true. They work. I believe in them. I believe in spiritual warfare. I believe it all his words are true. The first time I didn't believe in his words because I was so demonized. I couldn't apply them to myself because I was not experiencing freedom. Christ wants us to walk in freedom. He came to set the captives free. And that means getting rid of demons. So if you are struggling in any area of your Christian walk, like I was, and experiencing oppression, bondage of any sort, I would highly recommend you contact Justin and just have a consultation and see it doesn't hurt. It doesn't hurt. The experience of deliverance is a beautiful process and it is with so much freedom. And you can actually apply the scriptures to your life. There's going to be a lot of other Christians that say, just do the word, read the word and do it. Read the word and do it. That's what I heard for years. And to a point, yes, it is true. But when you have demons inside of you, they will do everything in their power to stop that word from coming true in your life. But when you walk in freedom from demons, you can apply that word and you can see the fruit of it. And that's what I'm experiencing now the fruit of the spirit. So I want to thank Justin for having me on and thank him for his deliverance and thank Jesus for setting me free. Whoever the Son sets free is free indeed. Amen.