Massage Therapy and the New Age — She Thought She Was Still a Christian

What happens when a massage therapist blends Reiki, crystals, and energy work into her sessions — believing she’s still a Christian?

Roxanne holds a psychology degree and spent 16 years working in the mental health field. After experiencing burnout in that environment, she sought a new career path and became a licensed massage therapist, hoping to continue helping people in a different way. 

Her desire to help others gradually drew her into becoming a Reiki Master and practicing pranic healing, chakra work, aura reading, soul retrieval, energy clearing, distant healing, and shamanic techniques. She immersed herself in meditation, drumming circles, ayahuasca (psychedelic plant medicine), bufo (psychedelic toad venom), protection rituals with crystals and salt, and various forms of Hindu, Buddhist, and Hare Krishna chanting. Identifying as an empath and deeply energy-sensitive, these modalities became the framework through which she understood healing and spirituality for more than two decades.

She wove many of these energy-based practices directly into her massage sessions. The peace felt real. The energy felt powerful. Clients left feeling better. But it didn’t last. Over time, something far more troubling began to surface.

Freak accidents every two to three years — putting her out of work for months at a time. Sleepless nights — jolted awake the moment she drifted off, sensing a presence entering her body, nearly two weeks with almost no rest, and paranormal phenomena happening around her. She tried everything she knew: crystals covering her bed, salt around the room, protection rituals, distant healings, clearing sessions. Nothing worked. Not one thing. When even the protection methods she trusted stopped working, she was forced to confront a deeper question she had avoided for years — how she could claim Christ while living fully immersed in a spiritual system rooted elsewhere.

If you’re involved in the New Age, this episode will challenge you. And if you’re a Christian who assumes this doesn’t touch your world — it may be closer than you think.

📌 What you’ll discover in this episode:

✅ How Reiki, chakra work, pranic healing, and crystal healing are being blended into mainstream massage therapy
✅ Why trauma can lead a person to spiritually infused wellness practices that feel compassionate and enlightened
✅ How practices like aura reading, soul retrieval, energy clearing, and distant healing become normalized inside bodywork culture
✅ Why ayahuasca ceremonies and bufo experiences promise breakthrough but fail to produce lasting peace
✅ What happened when protection rituals and spiritual techniques stopped working
✅ How Christian deliverance addressed the deeper spiritual roots behind Roxanne's trauma
✅ Where Roxanne ultimately found lasting peace through the Holy Spirit — not a temporary calm maintained by spiritual techniques

Transcript

Introduction — Why This Episode Matters

Justin 0:38

Thank you so much for coming back and welcome to the Blind Exorcist, my friend. I appreciate you. I'm excited that you decided to tune in, and we have another exciting episode for you today. And I hope that your January went well. I just hope that you're having a good start of your new year, that you are in fact walking in freedom. You've you've been through deliverance, got rid of all that junk, and you've worked on yourself. And if you haven't, through therapy, and if you haven't worked on yourself, this is your year. Enough. Enough of the torment, enough of the trauma bonds. Let's each of us get healed up, delivered, set free, so we can fulfill our God-given destiny. Not walking around, as I always say, with that thousand pounds of weight in a backpack on your back. So that's my encouragement for you today. Let's get this done. Make this year be the year that you say, enough. I'm not walking around in self-pity and rejection and isolation and woe is me done with all that. I'm ready to be healed, restored through the authority, compassion, and love of Jesus Christ, so I can move into what Christ has called me to do. Amen? Okay. We are up to episode 40. Thank you. Thank you so much. I know you've been along for this journey, and I appreciate you, my friend. Thank you so much for sharing this out to family and friends. You have played a big part in building up this ministry, this audience, so that people can hear these testimonies. So thank you. I encourage you to share this out to anybody that you know is in the new age or any new age practices, whether they're Christian or whether they're not Christian and they're just totally into the new age. This is another episode that's going to touch deeply on this, and it's a very, very powerful episode. And even if you're not into the new age, if you're a Christian that's not even touched any of this stuff, this is going to be inspiring and encouraging to you. There's a lot here for you as well. Okay, so I sit down with Roxanne, and I've been working with Roxanne for a month and a half now, roughly, and we've been through several sessions. She's got more to go. And I love bringing someone on the podcast who hasn't been through the entire process yet to give you guys a snapshot of what it's like going through it. And this is awesome. So Roxanne is here today to share her healing journey with you guys. It's very powerful. She is a working professional. She has a psychology degree, and she eventually left the psychology field. She worked in it for 16 years and became a massage therapist. And during this massage therapy training and everything, she brought in a lot of new age practices into her massage therapy. Very common. Very common. Be careful what massage therapist you go to because it's no longer just a physical profession where they're working out muscles and they're doing this from a physiological perspective. Now they're bringing into these practices the supernatural and spiritual aspects: crystal healing, sage burning, cleansing, Reiki energy healing. All of these practices are being brought into massage therapy. It's difficult in today's culture to find a massage therapist that doesn't incorporate these practices. Even Christians. How sad. Our Western version of Christianity has dumbed down the supernatural so much that Christians don't even realize that crystals are bad. Got that? Many Christians in Western Christianity, you know, the Americanized version of Christianity that stripped out all the supernatural aspects. Remember, in the West, in America, Canada, Australia, UK, all these Western countries, deliverance is looked at as not necessary and it's impossible for a Christian to have a demon. Now, those of you listening outside of the West, I know you're scratching your head and you're wondering, how? How could somebody not believe that a Christian could be demonized or have demons? This is insane. I know. Believe me, I get it. It is nutty, it's nuts, but it is what it is. And so many Christians incorporate new age stuff: dream catchers, crystals, mindfulness meditation, focusing on your breath, dissolving your ego, all that stuff. I mean, just you know, law of attraction. All they have no clue that any of this is demonic because they're never taught. They're just taught Jesus loves you, repent of your sin. It's all about salvation from sin, which is essential, and then fighting the sinful nature, and that's it. There is no supernatural. If there's a devil or Satan, then that's something kind of way out there. And he might maybe come around here and there, but not really as a Christian. You don't need to worry about that. He's powerless. He can't do anything to you. You're a Christian. Oh well, I gotta stop, guys. You know me. I get off on these tangents. Okay, this is supposed to be the intro. So focus, Justin. Focus, focus, focus. Okay. So, anyhow, Roxanne is really into all this stuff, and at a certain point she realizes that it's demonic. So I don't want to keep going on. We're gonna get into this. This is great. We're gonna flush this out starting in her childhood, her family, the trauma bonds, the demonization, all of that stuff. This is gonna be an amazing episode. I pray it brings encouragement to you, challenge, and thought. If you know anybody in the new age or Christians who are into new agey stuff, share this with them. Can you do that for me? Share this out to family and friends and on your social media feeds and get this out so people can be challenged in a compassionate way to think through the things they're involved in. Okay, get ready. Buckle up. This is raw and real. We're gonna go deep. Let's meet Roxanne. Here we go. Roxanne, welcome to the Blind Exorcist.

Roxanne 8:11

Thank you so much, Justin, for having me. I'm really looking forward to sharing my story.

Trauma, Loss, and a Childhood That Left Doors Open

Justin 8:16

It's an amazing testimony, and I thank you so much for taking the time to come on and share it with everyone around the world. This is a good one, guys. And for anybody, like I was saying in the intro, into the new age, this is gonna be powerful. So get ready. Okay. Now, everyone that's been listening for a while, we know the format, right? We're going to start in childhood. It's my personal opinion, like I often mention, that demonization happens in childhood. People are born with generational curses. Those demons have exact appetites, and they're gonna nudge you toward what they're hungry for, whether that's witchcraft, whether that's new age practices, whether that's sexual addiction, alcohol, whatever. Okay. And also the trauma from how you were raised are entry points for demons. And Roxanne has had a very unfortunate, traumatic childhood. It saddens me what she's been through. Some of you listening are going to be able to relate to this. So, Roxanne, thank you so much for your courage, for your boldness to share with us about your childhood. So I'm going to come over to you. Tell us a little bit about your childhood.

Roxanne 9:45

Well, Justin, I grew up in a family that was Roman Catholic and we were not church going, but we were, I was baptized and whatnot. My mother had me when she was 16. And my father, they were married and then they divorced because my father was physically abusive. And so my mother, it was my mother and I live with my maternal grandparents. And so anyway, my mother got into drugs and she went to a party one night and she died of a heroin overdose. And she was 21 at that time, and I was four. So after my mother died, my maternal grandparents adopted me. And so I was four at the time. And my grandparents, who I call my parents, were of course very traumatized and grief stricken. And so they went to a local priest and they asked for help, like what to do with me, because they wanted me, but yet emotionally they really couldn't be there for me or provide an emotionally stable environment. My mom, grandmom ended up having an emotional breakdown, and there was just a lot of crying and a lot of just it was a very difficult time. So the priests suggested to my parents to send me to an all-girls Catholic boarding school that was three and a half hours away. So at the age of six, I ended up going to this all-girls Catholic school that was run by nuns. And from first grade to eighth grade, I lived at this school. And it was very military-like. There was no physical abuse. The nuns didn't hit us, but it was very military-like, and they were very strict. Everything was very regimented. There really wasn't affection shown. It was, they were very firm. And so I would only see my parents like on long weekends, on holidays. I would go home for the summers. But anyway, so it was very strict. We went to church six days a week. I became very active in the church. I became an altar girl. And anyway, so pretty much my childhood was spent at this boarding school. And then when I was in when I was in eighth grade, I was given the opportunity to either stay living at the school and commute and go to a high school Catholic high school and or go home and live with my parents. And because I had never lived with my parents, I decided to go live with them. And so there was, it was like night and day living at boarding school compared to living with my parents. Because unfortunately, my parents they cursed a lot, they fought a lot, there was a lot of yelling, a lot of conflict. You know, I was physically abused. And so it was very traumatic for me to go from one extreme to the other. And my parents didn't go to church. And pretty much they were very strict. So I wasn't allowed to date. So I got very depressed. And my I grew up with my mom going to psychics at times, tarot readers. We never read the Bible in the house. I don't even know if we had a Bible in the house, and we didn't go to church. And so it was just very extreme and very different from the childhood I lived with the sisters. And so I became very depressed. I didn't do drugs. I rarely did alcohol as a teenager just because of how my mother died. But when I got to be, I'm trying to think, when I was, I think 19 was the first time I tried pot. And then I met my ex-husband when I was 23.

Molestation, Entry Points, and Why Education Doesn't Fix What Demons Exploit

Justin 13:45

Thank you so much, Roxanne, for sharing about your very traumatic childhood. And just a couple things to point out here. One is the passing of her mother at 21 from the heroin overdose. Very sad. And then the father was abusive, her biological father, so he's out of the picture. So grandparents adopt her. They're going through their own trauma from the loss of their daughter, and Roxanne winds up at school with the nuns. And she mentioned that they were very cold, very militaristic. And this has an impact on children. And maybe your mother was cold and disconnected. You know, does it hug, doesn't tell you I love you, doesn't tell you you're special. In other words, does it nurture you? And so when you're growing up in that environment, that has consequences on a child. It just does. And demons take opportunity on those vacancies in your emotions that were not met in childhood. Roxanne has had, and many of you have had, an unstable childhood. And now imagine this. She loses both of her biological parents. Four years old, her mother passes, loses her biological father, then goes to the grandparents. This is as a child. At six years old, they're like, we can't handle this because we're having our own breakdowns, our own trauma. We're not processing through. Okay, so then ship her off to nuns who are militaristic, cold, disconnected. By the way, they're not all like that. I think some are, obviously, the ones Roxanne had experienced, but they're not all like that. I know a fair amount of nuns, and very many of them are warm, affectionate, compassionate, beautiful people. Okay, so, and the her parents, meaning her grandmother and grandfather, she calls them her parents, right? Her mother takes her to psychics, introducing her to occultism. So there we're already starting to see a pattern, a generational pattern of witchcraft from the, I'm gonna say grandmother, so we can keep this straight. And then the mother passes from heroin. The potential of a curse of death is there. Emotional abandonment from the biological father, emotional abandonment from the grandparents. This is a mess. And many of you have been through similar situations like this. Can you see how this is a wide open opportunity for demonization? Okay, Roxanne, I'm gonna come back over to you. So you graduate high school. What happens after you graduate?

Roxanne 16:54

So I guess I should go back and I would like to mention that. So when I would come home as a little girl for the summers to stay at home with my parents worked a lot. And so they would have me spend much of my summers with good friends of theirs that were our neighbors. And the good friends had a daughter my age, and so I would play with her. But anyway, so I would like to mention that when I was eight years old, my friend who was, I was in in their care, I was sleeping. My friend wasn't home that night, and my parents had dropped me off at their house to babysit me. And the father came in my room and he molested me. And basically, he just told me to be quiet, and it was like a one-time incident. And anyway, there was another incident where he tried to call me in the bathroom, and my friend, like, she just told me, like, don't ever go in the bathroom if he calls you in there. So apparently, she must have known something had happened or what that there was the potential.

Justin 18:03

Roxanne, I am so sorry to hear that you were molested. I was molested, as many of you know who have listened to episode one. Many of you listening have been molested, and demons transfer through molestation. So this is another entry point of demons being transferred. This is at eight years old. Can you imagine all of this happening by the time she's eight years old? Wow. Demonization is happening left and right in Roxanne's life. Satan is an opportunist. That's what he is. And thank God for exorcists and deliverance ministers so we can help people get rid of all of this junk so they can heal. So I just want to encourage those of you listening who have any shame and guilt around molestation or you don't like to talk about it. Let me encourage you in order to be free from demons, from the shame, from the guilt, you have to talk about it with a therapist, absolutely with a therapist, and then get a hold of me or another deliverance minister that's qualified to get rid of the demons. Therapy deals with emotions. Exorcism deals with demons. You can't just do one and not the other. It requires both. Now, let me come back over to you, Roxanne. Let me transition into your university training because you graduate high school. This is a good transition into your degree. You have a psychology degree. So remember what I said, guys. I love having people on the podcast who are university educated because it brings credibility. These are not crazy people, these are normal people. Everybody has been through trauma, everybody has suffered in some way in life, and just because you're college educated doesn't make all that go away. That's what's outstanding to me is when people get educated, whether it's bachelor's, master's, doctorate, that somehow now they're fixed. No, no, the trauma's still there, the demons are still there, the pain's still there. Education doesn't heal that. Therapy helps heal it emotionally, exorcism helps heal it spiritually. Roxanne, let me come over to you and tell us what made you interested in getting a psychology degree.

Layers of Healing — what true freedom requires

Roxanne 21:18

So in high school, I decided, I really always just wanted to help people and understand people. And I just found myself to be just very sensitive and caring about people's history and their story. So it was in high school that I decided that I wanted to go into counseling. I originally thought I wanted to be a psychologist. But so anyway, so when I graduated high school, I knew exactly what I wanted to go to college for. And I got my bachelor's in psychology. And pretty much I just having the background that I had with physical, mental, emotional, sexual abuse, and with losing my mother so young, I really wanted to understand everything that happened to me. And I wanted to understand, I wanted to heal as well and just understand why the person, the neighbor, molested me. And I just had a great fascination with wanting to help myself and others. And also I just felt like it was, it felt like a calling for me. It was like, it felt like God's purpose for me to do something like counseling where I could really make a difference in people's lives. So after I graduated, I got my first job working as a social worker in a nursing home. And from that point on, I worked in the mental health field for about 16 years. I worked as a drug and alcohol counselor. I also just worked with people with all kinds of mental. Illness, schizophrenia, bipolar, major depression, PTSD. So, pretty much over 16 years, I worked with all populations from children to adults to elderly, homeless, mentally ill, drug addicted. I worked with pretty much every population you can think of.

Burnout — leaving psychology for massage and New Age practices

Justin 23:15

That's awesome. Gets a psychology degree, works with the elderly, drug and alcohol. This is good stop. 16 years as a working professional has demons. Not sure if you recognize that at in this phase of your life, Roxanne, but demonized. She has trauma wounds, many of us do that needed healing. So she's going to through psychology university training in psychology to figure out what's going on here with the people that abused me and trying to figure out what's going on with herself. So, as many of you know, I'm huge on therapy. I'm absolutely huge on therapy. My ex-wife is a licensed clinical counselor. I've mentioned this before. I was a social work major for two and a half years. Essential for healing. It's amazing to me how many people come for exorcism. They're like in their 40s or 50s and have never been to therapy. And they just think by coming to me and casting out demons, it's going to fix them. No. I wish it was that easy. It's not. It's what I tell people often you didn't get to where you're at overnight. You're not going to get out overnight. We're more than just spiritual. We're emotional. We're physical. All of this stuff matters. So, yes, therapy, absolutely. Work through trauma. When it comes to demons who are attached to those trauma bonds, you go to an exorcist, get that cleaned up. Then there's also your physical well-being, you know, diet, exercise, all that kind of stuff. This just isn't a one-stop solution, exorcism. So keep this in mind. Okay, Roxanne, eventually you decide to transition out of psychology and into massage therapy. Can you explain to us what brought you to that transition?

Roxanne 25:26

So I got very burned out working in the mental health field. I was working 40 to 50 hours a week, not being paid well, barely surviving, just paycheck to paycheck. And it was at that time that I decided I could either go back and get my master's and not make a lot more money and still be working a whole lot of hours, or I could just do a complete career transition and maybe do something different. So before becoming a massage therapist, I had gotten into Reiki and became a Reiki master so many years prior, back in 99. And so I felt to do massage, it would also give me the opportunity to do more Reiki, which I love, I really enjoyed doing. And that's pretty much why I got into Reiki. Just I was just burned out with counseling field, mental health field, and I just felt like I would be paid better, and it would just open up a whole other opportunity for me.

Justin 26:32

Interesting. Okay, so what got you into energy, or I'm sorry, Reiki energy healing? And it just seems like everybody in the new age has to be a Reiki energy healer. It doesn't matter. Like they have to. And I think probably for a lot is it's a moneymaker, right? And I mentioned this in the one episode I was interviewing someone in the new age. I might have been Maria, I don't remember. If you guys only knew how many people I work with that's coming out of these new age practices, so many people. I don't have them on, otherwise, the whole podcast would be ex New Agers, which, hey, if that's what God wants, so be it. So get ready. There might be more new agers coming. But the energy, Reiki energy healing, Roxanne, what drew you into that?

The Peace Felt Real — how energy healing hooks good people with good intentions

Roxanne 27:25

So it was my mom's birthday one year, and I thought I would get her a massage. And so back then we had the phone book, and I opened up the phone book, and it this person had an ad and it she was a massage therapist, but in the ad, it also mentioned this Reiki. And so I called her up and I said, I'm looking to get a massage for my mom's birthday, but what is this Reiki? And so she explained to me what it was, and I thought, wow, that sounds really interesting. And I said, instead of the massage, let's do a Reiki session for my mom. So the woman came out to the house and she did Reiki on my mom. And my mom interestingly felt she felt like better. She had pain before the session. So she didn't have pain afterwards. She felt she appeared more peaceful. And so I was really impressed what Reiki appeared to do for my mom. And so I just asked her, I said, I don't know what you just did, but my mom is feeling better. And I would like to learn what you just did. And so, do you teach it? And she said, Oh, yeah. I happen to be teaching a class in maybe a week or two later. And so I said, I'm very interested in taking it. And then I told my ex-husband about it, and then he was interested. And so we ended up going through all three levels of Reiki and we became Reiki masters all within so many months, maybe four or five months. And then I would basically, I didn't do at that time when I first learned it, and for a long time after, I didn't do Reiki professionally and I didn't charge money. I just did it for my mom and I would do it for people just complimentary or for my ex-husband and I would do it for each to each other. So at that point, I was just doing it to be of help because it appeared to bring peace and it appeared to bring healing and comfort. And I myself, before becoming a Reiki master, went to the same teacher who taught it to me. I went to her for Reiki healing. And I also went to her for shamanic healing and just and chronic healing, just different types of energy healing. And I felt I felt peace when I would go to my sessions and healing and comfort. And so I really got into Reiki and the energy healing just because I wanted healing for myself. I felt so damaged, so broken, so depressed. And I just wanted to bring healing for myself, and I wanted to bring that, I wanted to help other people to feel better.

Two Decades Deep — Reiki, ayahuasca, shamanism, and a spiritual buffet that never satisfied

Justin 30:26

Guys, I say this most of the time, if not all the time, when I'm talking about people in the new age, these are good people. These are not like wicked, evil people. Most of them get into these practices because they are hurting and they want to be healed. And I'm going to touch on that in a minute. So these aren't bad people. They're very compassionate, they're thoughtful, most of them are kind and they really want to help people. They don't understand that this is demonic, but this is bait to being demonized, to being possessed. Now, most people in the new age, when you start saying these things are demonic, they tend to get upset because what they focus on is what she is saying here. The healing brings healing to people, it brings peace, it brings comfort. How can this be evil? How can this be demons? It's helping people. Here's how I can explain to you that this is demonic. Okay, first of all, from a Christian worldview, all of our help should come from Jesus Christ. He's the healer, the redeemer. He heals us emotionally, he uses therapists to do that, Christian therapy and so forth. Okay. So as a Christian, we should be going to Christ for our healing, right? Prayer, Christian therapy, etc. When we use something outside of Christ as a Christian, that's going to tap into something supernatural. And any energy, any Reiki energy healer listening, you understand that there are times that things come into you that you have to let pass through that take your breath, that black you out, that are bad, bad, bad. You know, sometimes energy healers are in bed for a day or two trying to recover. That's demons. That's just not energy, that's demons. That's just not something. Well, you did pick something up from the kind, a demon come into you. Okay. No judgment here. Explanation, coaching. How can people feel better if this is demonic? Simple. Remember, Satan is a masterful deceiver. He deceived Eve to eat the apple. You want to be like God? Eat the apple. So she did. So he's a masterful decep deceiver. And I've mentioned this in other New Age podcasts. The way this works is people come with pain. He brings in an energy healer. And what happens is the demons causing the pain in the patient, they back off. And they paint the illusion that it worked, that you're healed, and that you're whole. But what really has happened is demons have transferred from the practitioner, the energy healer, into the patient, deepening their possession, while at the same hand, at the same time, Satan has these demons back off of the patient to give them the illusion that they're healed. You five, back off. Don't torment them anymore. Let go of their back, let go of their arm, back off with the depression. Stay away from them for five days so that they have to come back. And then they come back, the energy practitioner comes in praying over, not praying, I'm sorry, the hand movements and all that, pulling negative stuff out. And now demons are also passing from the patient into the energy practitioner. This is why oftentimes you feel terrible, depressed, and when you reach out to your trainer to say, what is this? They don't have answers. Or they might say it's just a negative energy or entity and you need a cleansing. But the truth is it's demonization, it's possession. This is why you feel depressed. This is why you're in bed for a couple days. This is hard to imagine as a practitioner, an energy healer, because Satan makes this look out to be so wholesome and healthy. It's an illusion. It's an illusion. And hopefully, by the grace of Jesus Christ, the mercy of Christ, you'll begin to see this. There is no judgment here in what I'm saying. This is compassion. It makes me mad that Satan has blinded the eyes of people and have them into all these practices the whole time, wrapping chains around them and deepening their possession, causing them to lose grip with reality. There are a lot of people that I have, not a lot, but quite a few that I've met that have had severe mental health conditions from these practices. Not just energy healing, a lot of them. Not everyone, but there's always torment, there's always emotional suffering, and then you got to run to the next thing to get relief. And Satan tells the demons, back off, and then you get relief. Now you got to go. I always say crystals because it's so common, but you get crystals, and then the Satan says, back off, make them think the crystals work. Okay, so now the crystals work, and then go back in and torment them. Okay, then come out and shamanic healing. Go for shamanic healing, and then you go for shamanic healing, and Satan says, back off, make them think that's work. So then you get into shamanic healing, and every practice you're getting into deepens the legal rights and the possession within your soul, your emotions how you feel, your thoughts how you think. This is how all this works behind the scenes. It's all about deception, making demons back off, letting you feel relief, and then coming back in. So you got it. It's like addiction. The new age is like a buffet of addiction. And Satan says, Eat this, now you're more possessed. Eat this, now you're more possessed, eat this, now you're more possessed. Again, not set in judgment, coaching here. Roxanne, so you're into energy healing. You mentioned shamanic healing. Tell us a little bit. I know you also did ayahuasca. So tell us some of these things that you were into before going through an exorcism just to connect with people who are listening in the new age. Just let's give them some food for thought.

Roxanne 36:53

Since 1999, which is when I became a Reiki master, since that time, for the period of 23, 24 years, I pretty much tried most types of energy healing. So from Reiki, I got into shamanic healing. From shamanic healing, I got into pranic healing, meditation, drumming circles. And then in 2000, I think it was 2007, I got into ayahuasca. And I did that over the over several years, I've done ayahuasca maybe, oh, maybe 15 times over several years. And then I also, after ayahuasca, I experienced something called buffo. It's frog medicine. And anyway, the plant medicine, they call it plant medicine. The plant medicine really appeared to it, it I appeared like peaceful after. I felt peaceful afterward. I felt just healed. I felt just centered. I felt better. But no matter how many times I did the plant medicine, it was short lasting that I felt peaceful. It was just short acting that I felt better. And it wasn't long after that again, I would feel severely depressed. I would feel, well, there have been times I've been suicidal in the past. And so none of the none of those plant medicine journeys ever lasted or ever really helped. And so, along with the different practices of the shamanism and everything, I also got into Hinduism. I used to do Hindu chanting, Buddhist chanting. I even got into Hare Krishna for a little bit, just did some chanting with the Hare Krishna people. And I got into crystals. And so when I started doing massage 18 years ago, I began to do crystal healing as well. And I learned all about chakras and the ara. And I used to consider myself an empath, energy sensitive, energy sensitive. And so people would come to me for all those years and I would do Reiki sessions that would include crystal healing, chronic healing. I would clear, clear people from negative energy. I would do soul retrievals where you reconnect with lost soul parts. And they people that would come to me would always feel better. I would say one difference between maybe myself, not to judge anyone else, but maybe one difference between myself and maybe other new age people is that every single time I ever did Reiki or any kind of energy healing, and I was working with another person, I always prayed to God. I always prayed to Jesus. I always asked for them to use me as a clear channel for healing for that person, for guidance. I never just prayed to the universe. I always, and if if anyone would have asked me, I would have told them, if they would have asked me, what religion are you? What path do you follow? I would always say, I'm a Christian at heart. And I would say, but I'm not religious, I'm more spiritual. And or I would say I was Christian, but spiritually eclectic. And it and for several years, I believed it was okay to be Christian, but also to believe that there was goodness and light in all other paths, like Hinduism, Buddhism. And so I didn't see anything wrong. And I didn't have anyone tell me that those paths were not of God. I think the biggest lesson is I know for a fact that those practices definitely opened up portals within me and doorways. And they created intense, brutal spiritual warfare that I've had for the past two years that I know I wouldn't have had had I not ever gotten into those new age practices.

When Everything Failed — Freak Accidents, Sleepless Nights, and a Presence in the Room

Justin 41:10

Again, thank you, Roxanne, for sharing this. This is really good information here. And I just want to point out something here. Be careful what massage therapist you go to because all of these new age practices are bleeded into many massage therapists. It's very difficult to find a massage therapist in today's times that do not incorporate these practices, whether it's the crystal healing, whether it's the Reiki energy healing, pranic healing, all that stuff. Okay, so as Christians, be careful because you can pick up demons from this. Okay. I just wanted to throw that out there. So, Roxanne, here she has the traumas from her childhood, and she's trying to find healing. So her heart is in the right place. But again, we're back to the buffet of new age practices. You feel good for a little bit because the demons back off, then you try something else, then the demons back off, and you try something else. And like she mentioned in her ayahuasca trips, the frog medicine that she took to it would just be temporary peace. Only Christ can bring established peace. Only Christ can do that. Oh, it's so sad to me. It breaks my heart. I know people personally who are in the new age, and their lives are so broken, and they think that they're very well put together, that they're in tuned, and that their lives are going well because what happens is they lose contact that they're not well. It's so sad because Satan puts blinders over their eyes, and they just keep piling on more and more practices that deepen the possession. Which, coming back to you, Roxanne, at a certain point in time you realized that you had demons and that these practices are not good. How did this happen? Was there paranormal phenomena you were experiencing? What brought you to this point?

Generational Curses Exposed — What the Demons Revealed and Where Lasting Peace Was Finally Found

Roxanne 43:27

Justin, for the period of about 10, a little over 10 years, I started to have extreme accidents where there was one time I broke my right hand and my right arm. I was doing cryo, these were just freak accidents that would happen to me over a 10-year period. And there was a like a common theme. And the theme was these accidents would happen every two to three years. And they would take me, they the accidents were so bad that the injuries I that happened to me would take me out of work for anywhere from three months to six months, and even one time a whole year. And just to give you an example, the worst accident I would say that happened was I went to a place that offered cryotherapy. It was my first time doing it. And I happened to go to someone that I didn't know, but they weren't trained. And so, long story short, I collapsed, I fainted in the cryotherapy chamber, and I ended up breaking my right hand, my right arm, and I had a severe concussion, black eye. And it was that injury kept me out of work. I was out of work for about six months. And so during that time, I had no human support. I didn't have a partner, I was humanly alone, and so I became very depressed. And so every few years, every two to three years, I would just continue to have these injuries and these freak accidents that would just, I wasn't even skydiving. I wasn't doing anything extreme. Another time I was walking on the beach. This just happened three years ago. I was walking. On the beach, and I stepped on a piece of sharp wood and it embedded itself deep into my foot. And so, as a result of that, I had to have foot surgery and go under anesthesia. And so I was out of work for four months from that injury. For so many years, I began to think to myself, I knew I used to believe in negative spirits. I didn't really understand Christian demons or unclean spirits because I had never really been encouraged to read the Bible, even though as a child I went to church as a Catholic six days a week. I just didn't know much about the Bible. And so for several years, I would think I have to have negative spirits that are attached to me that are causing these problems, these accidents. And another thing that would happen, there would be conflict in my relationships with people. Like people would continue, like I would really strive to be kind and loving and generous in my friendships and relationships. And still, people would tend to abandon me and there would be conflict. And I just couldn't understand where the conflict came from and why they would abandon me. And so that became like a repetitive theme: the abandonment and conflict and relationships. So anyway, I went from thinking to myself, I have negative spirits attached to me, to two years ago, for a period of almost two weeks, I began to experience intense spiritual warfare where I would, as soon as I would fall asleep, I would be woke up. I could feel a spirit come into my head and into my body, and it would wake me up and I would feel a jolt. And literally every time I would fall asleep, I would, this would happen, and I would get jolted awake. And this happened. Like I said, I was literally just getting a few hours' sleep a night for almost two weeks. And so at that time, I knew that I had one foot in the new age, and I also had one foot in Christianity. And so I prayed and I prayed. And I just I said, God, please protect me from this, these evil attacks. And they continued to happen. And so I continued to pray, but at the same time I was praying, I thought to myself, I'm going to do every new age thing that I know that should keep these negative spirits away from me. So I got all the crystals that I knew of and I put them all over my bed, under the bed. I put salt around the perimeter of my room. I had healers do distant healings on me and clear my energy. And yet nothing worked. Everything remained the same. I continued to be attacked. And the attacks were severe and horrible. And there was one time, there was more than one time, where I would wake up and I would see a swirling energy above my body. And I couldn't hear what it said. And it didn't have a form, but it looked like a vortex of spinning energy above me. And so it would visit me at night. And anyway, so when I realized that the new age crystals and all the new age stuff wasn't going to stop the attacks, I thought to myself, okay, if God isn't allowing this to stop, then and the new age definitely doesn't work, then I need to come back to my roots. And so I don't know how I discovered Christian deliverance, but I realized I had to go back to Jesus, to God, and to just discard, throw away the new age stuff because it didn't work and it was just, it was trash. And so I began to go onto YouTube and I began to watch Christian deliverance person after Christian Deliverance. And I began to feel like demons leaving me as I would listen to the Christian deliverance prayers and people praying. Interestingly, the only thing that would allow me to sleep would be to play Christian deliverance on loop all night. That was the only thing that would allow me to get any sleep. If I didn't put the Christian deliverance me, the Christian deliverance videos on, then I would continue to get woke up. So I realized that I was definitely needing to do one-on-one Christian deliverance, and that I was also needing to throw away all the crystals and the new age things that I had accumulated over 20 plus years. And so I threw out all my all my crystals. We're talking like, I don't know, probably a thousand or two dollars worth. And all I threw out all my new age books, anything that I could think of that was connected to the new age, I just threw it out. And I began to at that time read my Bible. And I just began to learn so much. And I began to learn about Christian deliverance. And so I went to one person and I did a Christian deliverance zoom. And I felt some relief when he did the deliverance, but I didn't get complete relief. And since then, this was two years ago that I did the first one. So since then, I have found that fasting definitely helps. I've done a few days fasting, just water fasting at times, but I haven't been able to get past, I think I did five days at one point. I did find, I just felt peaceful. The attacks didn't happen. And yeah, I don't know. Are there any other questions you have for me, Justin? I'm trying to think what more I can tell you.

Roxanne’s Encouragement — a final word of hope

Justin 51:14

Thank you, Roxanne. No, that's pretty thorough. There's just a lot here. It's interesting that, you know, you're practicing all the new age protection rituals and techniques and nothing's helping. And if you are in the new age and you're listening this just out of curiosity, I'm sure you're thinking she should have tried this, or she should have done that, or she should have done this. But I think the main point to focus on is that she did enough. And so it didn't work. And this is true for most people coming out of the new age into Christianity and into deliverance, that there's a period of time where you will experience these situations that are not fun. The sleep paralysis, the visitations, the paranormal phenomena that goes on. These are the things that Roxanne is going through. And so she comes across Christian deliverance. She starts realizing that these just aren't this just isn't negative energy that needs cleansed. These are hands-down bottom line demons. So she goes for deliverance with the ministry, she feels better, she has some peace, but there's still something there. And that something there is generational curses. And so eventually Roxanne finds me. I believe it was on my podcast here, The Blind Exorcist, and she reached out for a free 20-minute consultation. We talk things over, and I'm like, yes, you need an exorcism. And so she's came to two sessions. We've broken two generational curses off of her. She doesn't know what those curses are. I don't know what those curses are. We're not just saying I renounce suicide, I renounce witchcraft. That's fine. That can break some things off, but you need to go deeper than that. That's surface level deliverance. You've got to get to the root of it, which is a generational curse. Roxanne didn't know what the generational curse was. I don't know what the generational curse is vexing her. Guess who knows what the generational curse is? The demons. This is why exorcists under the authority of Christ interrogate demons. We're not sitting down to have coffee and donuts with them. We're here under the authority of Christ as a simple, compassionate servant of Jesus Christ, using his authority to interrogate what is the generational curse, what happened, what did they do to give you legal right into the bloodline to vex, in this case, Roxanne. And they spoke right out Roxanne and told me, because they have to, through the authority of Christ, what that generational curse is, what the ancestors did, and what their legal right is to vex Roxanne. You can't figure that out on your own. You can't figure that out on your own. You can try to, but that's why you go to an exorcist, is so that an exorcist can interrogate those demons. A lot of deliverance ministries don't believe in talking to demons, but it's essential if you want to be free. That's what exorcists do. We interrogate them. So Roxanne has had two sessions so far. We've broken two generational curses off of her, one of which was rooted in witchcraft back to Italy. Okay, so there was a curse of witchcraft coming down the bloodline there. Another one was a curse of death. Remember, she kept mentioning that she kept having these accidents every two years, and these are attempting to kill her. And there's more than just what she was sharing here, but so this curse of death went back to England and through interrogation figured out what that was, why it happened, what's the legal right? Not hard. She renounces those generational curses, repents for the ancestors, and they get expelled. Layer by layer. The human psyche can't handle all of this being done in one session. This is why there's multiple sessions. It's like layer of an onion, and it's all in God's timing. He knows what Roxanne's psyche can handle. And there's also a time for reflection after a session and training so that the Holy Spirit can begin to train her what happened, why she can process through it. So it's layer after layer until she feels I'm good enough. And that's really what most of us require. So what prevents us from going through exorcism? I think for most, it's not just one answer, it's it's there's multiple reasons. But some common ones include first, number one, pride. People don't want to admit to themselves that they've had a traumatic background. They want to live an illusion that they have a perfect Christian life. And if you're not Christian, that you're well put together and everything's going fine. So there's this level of pride that says, I refuse to admit weakness. And that's what keeps people in demonic bondage. Pride. Second is fear. Fear that you're gonna die, fear you're gonna go crazy, fear that you know you're not gonna be able to handle it, fear of the unknown, fear, fear. That keeps people in bondage. Just to mention a couple. And you've heard time and time again here from these people on this episode. This is not scary, this is very clinical. It's like going through therapy. In a sense, I'm not a therapist for the record, I'm an exorcist, but it's similar. We're talking one-on-one. There's compassion, there's kindness, there's investigation, and then there's breaking these generational curses and getting them off of people. So, Roxanne, we've been through some sessions, and she's in the middle. I love it. She's still got more sessions to go. She knows that, but she's determined. She still has spirits visit her, they have legal rights. We're gonna figure out what them are through the compassion of Christ. So she's not done yet. That's fine. This isn't a huge deal. We just go through sessions, remove those layers, and she'll know when she's good to go. It's not hard, friend. It's not hard. It's amazing to me. I've talked to people on here, I'm sorry, in my ministry, that they don't even want to talk about their family life. They're embarrassed. They don't want to talk about the alcoholism from the father or the abuse from the mother, or they're embarrassed of it. And I'm like, look, this is how you get free. Don't be embarrassed. We all have a history. Every one of us, myself included, you think we're all put together, we're not. We all have had trauma. And most of us have demons. In Western Christianity, since you're taught that you Christians can't have demons, then you learn to live with your demons as though it's just the sinful nature. And so you keep struggling and suffering and struggling and suffering and struggling and suffering. Oh, this is just a sinful nature, a sinful nature. And then the next solution in Western Christianity is go to therapy. So you go to therapy, you go to therapy, you go to therapy, which again, I'm pro therapy, I love therapy. But none of that gets rid of demons. This is why you're still suffering. If you believe that Christians can't have demons and you in fact have demons, then you're gonna normalize demonization to psychological problems. This is why you still suffer after a year or two of therapy, and you keep falling in depression and you keep feeling this and you keep doing that, you keep going back to addiction, whatever it is. Therapy cannot solve a spiritual problem. It can't handle demons. That's done through exorcism. Just some food for thought. Okay. We've shared a lot during this episode. If you're in the new age, I hope you feel challenged, but encouraged and not judged. That's not my intention ever to judge. Just to coach, bring thought, things to think about, and chew on. And if you're a Christian listening, here's some encouragement for you. Be real, be authentic, be real with yourself, be real that you're not well put together, that you're living a lie, an illusion, that everything's okay. How many Christians will say to me, Oh, I don't want to talk about that. I don't want to talk about that. And it's not that I'm prompting them to talk, they just don't want to open up about the traumas. So they stay in bondage. Friend, you don't have to. You can be free and healed and flourishing in your Christianity. I use the analogy of you got a backpack on with a thousand pounds. Roxanne had this backpack on with a thousand pounds. She went through a session, now she's down to 800 pounds. She went through a second session, now she's down to 500 pounds. And eventually, once you get rid of enough layers, you're free. You don't have that weight on your back. And you feel full of energy, joy, and a connection to God like you've never experienced. It is absolutely outstanding. I've experienced it, and many of the people I've worked with have experienced it. And Roxanne is going through the process of experiencing it now. We got some more weight to throw off of her backpack, but eventually she's going to be freed up and feeling great. Thank you, Lord. That's why Christ died on the cross for us, not just to forgive us of our sins, absolutely, but also to free us from demons. It's just part of discipleship, it's part of sanctification as a Christian. Doesn't have to be this weird thing that the Western church paints it out to be. It's not. It's helpful and it's healing. Okay. As you all know, at the end of every episode, I ask my guests to leave a word of encouragement for all of you guys listening. And I love it too. I love a good dose of encouragement. Roxanne, I'm going to come to you in a minute, but I would like for you to leave words of encouragement for the audience that's listening, for people that's in the new age because you've come out of it, or just Christians in general, why should somebody consider going through an exorcism, Roxanne? Can you share some thoughts, some closing thoughts, and some words of encouragement for people?

Roxanne 1:02:40

Sure, Justin. I can honestly say for myself and for anyone, if if we don't do deliverance, if we don't go through deliverance, it really is a matter of life or death. I can honestly say, because of all the injuries that I've had, because of almost dying with the one injury, if it wasn't for Christian deliverance, because especially in my case, I have intergenerational curses that are from both sides of my family, because my father's father died when he was 10. And then on my mother's side, my mother died when I was four. But then my mother's mother, my grandmother, her mother died giving birth. The demons were really coming after me. And I honestly believe if I didn't become aware that I had demons, that I needed to be delivered, I believe that I would have also experienced premature death. My mom and my dad died nine months apart. It was very traumatic. And the interesting thing was none of the new age things that I knew about, that I practiced brought me any real kind of comfort or healing. It was during that time that Jesus appeared to me, not once, but twice. He appeared to me as a vision that was very consoling, just such love. And then he also appeared to me in a dream, which really felt like a visitation. And so I had those two experiences during my grief that were beyond words. I just experienced immense comfort and healing. And then there was one time during my grief period when I was crying out to God. It was a very dark time. It was during that period that I awoke, I woke up one night and I woke up to a bright white light above my body. And I really believed that it was the Holy Spirit. When I put my hand and my arm up, I felt this holy presence run itself through me. And I really believe it was the Holy Spirit. And so I always like to tell people there are like no one, nothing else comforted me during my grief. None of the new age practices gave me relief from the pain I was feeling. The only thing that gave me relief was Jesus appearing to me, the Holy Spirit appearing and healing me. And I like to tell people there's no other religion has a God that loved his people so much that he sent his only son to die for us and to redeem us, to save our souls. The Buddhists, the Hindus, none of them can ever, they can't come anywhere near our Jesus. So I just like to say, I really believe that God allowed me to go down the new age path, to experience everything that I experienced in its entirety, including the demonic attacks, simply to help other people to know the new age is not the way. I can tell you, I've been there, I've done all of it, and I can tell you it just opened up a world of a nightmare. I've had negative experiences from the demons where I've had, I've been sexually violated. I could feel demons coming into me, sexually violating me, giving me headaches, affecting my electronics, light bulbs burning out, flickering, electronics just dying. So I can just tell you, Jesus really is the way, the truth, and the life. And I honestly just feel I'm here to help people, just to know that he really is the only way. And I just feel so happy, even though I'm not completely delivered, I feel so happy that I'm aware. I'm aware and I'm learning more. And I really appreciate Justin's kindness. He's been so understanding and he's just been so compassionate and so helpful and patient. And anyway, I just encourage you to find someone. Justin would be great, or whoever you feel a connection to, to just go through the deliverance. It's definitely worth it.