Aboriginal Heritage — When Faith Meets Hidden Curses

Could a devoted Christian’s long-standing spiritual struggles be linked to generational curses from her Aboriginal ancestry?

When I talk about “Indigenous peoples,” I mean the original inhabitants of a region who have unique cultural and spiritual traditions. This includes Native Americans in the United States, First Nations peoples in Canada, Aboriginal Australians, and Māori communities in New Zealand. While each group is distinct, many share practices involving ancestor spirits, nature, and ceremonial rituals. I mention this so listeners can understand Yvonne’s story in a context that might feel familiar.

Yvonne grew up in Australia in a home marked by alcoholism, trauma, and deep family dysfunction. Both of her parents carried painful childhood experiences involving abusive alcoholic fathers. Like many families, the wounds did not begin with one generation. The trauma had been passed down through the family line for decades.

For most of her life another piece of the story remained hidden. Her family carried Aboriginal ancestry that had been deliberately kept secret because of racism in Australia. As a child she didn’t understand why she looked different from other students and was even teased about the darker color of her skin. The truth about her Aboriginal heritage would only surface much later in life.

Yvonne became a Christian at twelve years old and spent her life sincerely pursuing God. She went to university, became a high school teacher, worked in Christian schools, and even trained for ministry. She faithfully prayed, studied the Bible, attended conferences, and pursued counseling for the pain she carried from childhood.

Yet despite years of faith and spiritual discipline, the demonic oppression never completely lifted. The emotional pain remained, and eventually she began experiencing disturbing spiritual symptoms that led her to confront a possibility many Western Christians are rarely taught to consider — that generational curses and demonic oppression may still be affecting believers today.

During our conversation we also explore how ancestral spiritual practices are not unique to Australia. Many Indigenous cultures around the world share similar spiritual traditions involving ancestor spirits, animal spirits, nature spirits, dreaming/vision practices, and ceremonial rituals. Even when someone becomes a Christian and never practices these ancestral traditions themselves, spiritual doors opened in previous generations can still demonically affect later generations.

📌 What you’ll discover in this episode:

• How trauma and abuse in family lines can create entry points for generational curses
• Why ancestral spiritual

Transcript

Welcome And Meet Yvonne

Justin 0:37

Hello, my friend, and thank you for tuning in. I really appreciate it. Welcome back. This is The Blind Exorcist, and I am Justin D. Your positive, inspirational, motivational blind exorcist host. Okay? How about that? Coming back, getting inspired, motivated, making you smile. Awesome. Awesome. I'm so happy you're here for real. This is great. And on this episode, we are up to episode 41, team. We have been through a lot of episodes. In fact, when people get a hold of me, they're like, look, I know the drill. Like, I need therapy and I have generational curses. Let's do it. I mean, oftentimes, that's what happens when I meet with clients. They've listened to all the episodes. What a blessing. And whether you work with me or not, I love to serve you and train, teach, coach all this stuff because you're not going to hear it in church. So today, this is a good one. I sit down with Yvonne Gunning from Australia. She is aboriginal and she has been through an exorcism related to her aboriginal ancestry. So if you know anybody, for example, that is Native American, somebody that is First Nations people in Canada, and obviously anybody that's aboriginal in Australia, or even Maui in New Zealand. I mean anybody with these ancestries, whether it's third generation, fourth generation, whether it's children that's been through university, especially if they're Christian as well, because there's deep generational curses resting on the lives of these cultures and people. I work with Native Americans and I help them break the generational bondage. It's very sad, by the way. I don't want to get into everything with Native Americans, but a lot of these indigenous groups have put up with severe trauma from many generations back. And we can see oftentimes, and I mentioned this in our interview, that the alcoholism and poverty is pretty much across the board on all of these indigenous cultures. So this is an episode to reach out to this community to say if you are tormented, if you are vexed, and if you are a Christian, you may require an exorcism. And I also deal with this a lot from people from Africa as well. I work with people in Africa over Zoom. It's a pleasure to serve people like this around the world. So, you know, people from Africa have this type of ancestry as well, very attached to the earth, nature spirits, animal sacrifice, you know, these sorts of practices, worshiping Python. And so all that goes on in Africa. And you may be living, for example, in America, and you might be the 15th generation here, loving Jesus Christ with your whole heart, serving him. But there is a part in your life that you just can't get past, no matter what that might be. Depression, suicidal thoughts, intrusive thoughts, addictions that you struggle with, whatever. Oftentimes these go back to generational curses. So Yvonne's testimony is awesome. We cover so much good content here. So if you know anybody that, you know, again, is has history with Native Americans or First Nations people or in Australia, right? The Aboriginal, or in New Zealand, the Maui, if they have that ancestry, get this episode to them. Text it to them, send it out to them. There's a lot of food for thought here, a lot of encouragement. So it's going to be an amazing episode. One last thing to mention. If you are in Australia and you're seeking an exorcist in Australia, Yvonne is a great resource, especially for women. She works with men too, but she really attends a lot of women's conventions and works with women there in deliverance. She's very well trained, educated, knows what she's doing. You can contact Yvonne at this email. Seek Freedomaustralia at gmail.com. That's pretty simple. I love it. Seek Freedom Australia at gmail.com. So if you're in the Australia area, or maybe you're a woman that wants to work with a female exorcist, reach out to Yvonne. She's amazing. And you're going to get to know her now during this interview. So without any further ado, let's dive in. Get ready. Yvonne, welcome to the blind exorcist.

SPEAKER_01 6:42

Hi, Justin. I'm really excited to be here. I listened to all your programs, and now I'm on it. So how wonderful is that?

Childhood Trauma And Family Dysfunction

Justin 6:52

I'm very excited that you're here joining us, and thank you for listening. And thank you to all of you who listen. Yvonne has an amazing story, and we're going to get into this. She's from Australia. Her ancestry, like I was mentioning in the intro, she is a First Nations person, Aboriginal, and amazing ancestry. This is going to be great. And we're going to start in her childhood and step through her story. This is going to be very powerful. Now remember what I've always said: most demonization starts in childhood, and many of us are born with generational curses resting on our life. God has not cursed us. Our ancestors have committed sins that have opened up our bloodlines to curses. And Satan will vex us with generational curses because he has a legal right to do that. They've not been broken. So I wish it was as simple as Jesus, forgive me of my sins. That deals with your personal sin so you can become born again a Christian, but that does not deal with generational curses resting on your life. Those need renounced and demons expelled. We're going to start by stepping through Yvonne's childhood. And as we share, you'll see that there are entry points to strengthen the generational curses resting on her life. And each of us listening, myself included, have been through trauma. And if we've not handled that in a healthy way by going to therapy, many of us haven't, because that just wasn't an option. Demons can attach to that trauma. Okay. Yvonne, I'm going to come over to you. Tell us a little bit about your childhood. How was your relationship with your mom, dad, and siblings?

SPEAKER_01 9:00

I grew up in the southwestern suburbs of New South Wales, and there was a lot of dysfunction in my home. I loved my parents. So not all bitter and twisted, but there were things that were handed down to them that happened in their families. So both my mother and father had alcoholic fathers that were very abusive. So my mother shares the story in her family of hitting her alcoholic father over the head with a frying pan as the solution to stop him from kicking into her pregnant mother. So my dad, also with an alcoholic father, had to hide under the house to escape the beatings. And his dad actually burned alive from being drunk. He didn't wake up. So they both had extreme trauma in their family. And as a consequence, there was a lot of pain in our household that I felt. And my mother actually had some very bizarre behaviors. My dad was really strong and never reacted, but he didn't protect us. My mother would go off the handle, is what she used to call it, and break things. One time she cut up the lounge, she would want to be dead, basically, when she had one of these bits of being unable to cope with what happened in her life.

How Siblings Cope With Pain

Justin 11:01

That's awful. Just terrible. I cannot imagine. My father was an alcoholic. He had become a Christian before I was born. But I often, me and my brother, both have talked about how bad it would have been. My dad's German. He has a real bad temper. And to hear this coming from you is very painful for me to hear. And many of you listening, because many of you have been raised by an alcoholic or drug addict parent in terrible conditions. And you have found Christ and you still live with that trauma. And that's how demons enter. So Yvonne's parents have demons, and it's starting because of the abuse, because of the generational curses resting on their life that have not been broken. Now they're married. They have Yvonne, and Yvonne is witnessing her mother having the episodes where she loses contact. She breaks down. It's too much to handle. So she's lashing out. She wants the pain to quit. But in the midst of that emotional trauma from the abuse are the demons. And they magnify the trauma 10, 20 times worse by holding a magnifying glass and twisting that pain, nudging it up so it's so intense that you see things like this where mom is slashing up couches, screaming out. Wow. Okay, Yvonne. Did you have siblings? And if yes, what was it like with them?

SPEAKER_01 12:51

Yes, I had two brothers, both very different. My older brother is now a recluse and very unwell as a consequence of smoking marijuana. So he lives by himself and doesn't go anywhere. It's pretty awful, extreme. My younger brother seemed to be able to deal with what was happening. He still says he has post-traumatic stress as a consequence of our childhood. But he seemed to have a realistic view that was happening, whereas I pretended I was in the Brady Bunch and it was really good. So it wasn't till I was older that I had to deal with this stuff. And he's gone on to be a magistrate. So we all responded very differently. I'm now close to my younger brother, but there's not much relationship with my older brother because he's quite paranoid. And we all dealt differently with it. This was what we thought was normal. And of course, there was no normality about it. But amidst it was the love that we had for our parents because it wasn't all bad. There were good things that were in our lives.

Faith At University With Hidden Wounds

Justin 14:17

Okay, a couple points to pick out here for all of us listening. The way that each sibling dealt with the situation is drastically different. And so the younger brother was able to go through that and handle that. I wouldn't say well, but he had more of a grip on it. So he went through it in a little bit more confident way. Whereas the older brother today is now in isolation. So his way of coping with this trauma was isolation. And Yvonne did well and has been working on herself for many years. Self-improvement is key. And as you guys know, I'm all about therapy and exorcism working together. This is the unfolding of generational curses. So these demons have been passed down not just from Yvonne's parents to the younger brother, her, and the older brother, but her grandparents, her great-grandparents, all the way back. In other words, this just didn't start today. Dysfunction that is in your family, my friend, that did not just start present day. And the other thing to note that she mentioned is that she wanted to paint the picture of the Brady bunch, and everything is happy in the home. And that's a way a lot of people cope. But she mentioned that it wasn't all bad. And I see this a lot when I work with clients. On my intake questions, I ask, how is your relationship with your mom? Bad, it's complicated or good. How's your relationship with your father? Another question. Bad, it's complicated or good. So a lot of times people will mark good because in their mind they're only seeing the love aspect. They subconsciously tuck away the abuse and trauma. And this happens to everybody, myself included. We want to see the good parts of our parents. Well, they put food on the table, they put clothes on my back, they did the best they did. No, okay, fine. But is the best they did physical abuse, breaking your arm, throwing you, hiding bruises when you go to school? Is that the best? Pulling your hair out, burning you with a cigarette, alcoholic father, alcoholic mother, father's got all these different women coming out in and out, molested, potentially raped, incest. All that stuff we want to deny because it's that bad. But in order for you to be healed, in order for your demons to be expelled, you have to confront that through the courage and strength of Jesus Christ. I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. Remember, Paul said that? When we are weak, he is strong. Paul talks about that. So this really boils down to okay, fine, you can't face this on your own. You're absolutely right. You got to pray for strength from Jesus Christ, and he will strengthen you to do it. Because if you want to be free, this has to be confronted. You can't live like the Brady bunch. I'm happy, you're happy, we're all happy. I just wanted to share that for encouragement with everybody listening. You're not abnormal. I think that's why you come back and listen because you're like, whoa. Not only is Justin as messed up as I am, but so are these guests. Hey, I finally found a home. We're all messed up. Hallelujah. Okay. So welcome, welcome, welcome to the party. Welcome to the party. So let's move on here. Yvonne, you make it through high school, you graduate, and you're getting ready to go to university. And I love having people on here who have been to university. You don't have to be through university to be on here. I've had people on here that aren't, but it brings credibility because people who have been through university have been trained in critical thinking and analysis, and not that you have to go to university to develop that. I don't mean to imply that. I just mean it's an automatic that's going to happen. So when you've got people coming on here with developed critical thinking and analysis skills and rationalization, saying I got demons, that requires us to pause for a minute and say, okay, maybe this person isn't crazy. Maybe this could be a possibility. And Justin's got whatever, 40 episodes of people up here saying all this, and the other Christian deliverance ministries out there all around the world. Maybe this requires me to pause for a minute and humble myself. Say, you know what? Maybe I don't know everything. Maybe this is a possibility. Okay. Setting that aside, Yvonne, let me come over to you. You decided to go to university. Tell us a little bit about your university experience and what you went for.

SPEAKER_01 20:04

I studied teaching, so I became a high school teacher. I taught food technology and textiles and design. I love teaching. I still I still love teaching, but I'm not teaching now. But yeah, it was a really good experience at university. I hung around with the Christian kids. I met Jesus when I was 12 years old. And I was passionately seeking relationship with him. But amidst all of that, I carried a deep pain, which I really wanted that to go away, but I wasn't quite sure what to do with that.

Counseling Helped But Something Persisted

Justin 20:47

Yes, very common, actually. I mean, I could relate that to that myself personally, right? So I lose my eyesight at 17, traumatized. Parents never took me to therapy for that at all. Can you imagine that, man? Going blind and not even being taken to therapy. And it's like, good, good luck. You got the Bible, you can make it. When I went to university, I went there with a lot of pain and the idea that I'm going to prove that I matter. What I'd like to focus on is what drove my education was trauma. That's not a reason to get educated. And many people go through university with deep trauma wounds that are bleeding pain, full of demons looking to education to bring healing, to bring them to a point in life where they matter. Rejected by the parents, rejected by the father, rejected all the chaos in the family. And now I matter because I have this degree. And what I find the most interesting is that people actually believe that's going to help bring stability and healing to their life. And it does bring a sense of stability in regard to employment, getting the same pay every two weeks or a week or whatever, and having routines. So there's some stability there, but it doesn't bring healing. So going through university, you're walking around with trauma wounds, just bleeding out pain. Demons, most people in university just start sleeping around, trying to find love, escape the pain, sleeping around, doing drugs, drinking, acting a fool. You're educated listening, whether you went through university or you're educated in a skill. So you work every week, you get paid, you have nice things. Did that bring healing? Did that heal that trauma inside of you? Do you feel happy and content? Do you have the joy of the Holy Spirit? Do you have contentment? Do you have peace at night when you go to bed and lay your head on the pillow? Do you just close your eyes and fall asleep? I do. I never used to. If you're anything like me, Before I would through therapy and exorcism, I couldn't lay my head on the pillow, I could lay my head on a pillow and be wide awake for three hours straight, mind racing like crazy. Or I'd fall asleep and wake up at 2, 3 a.m. Couldn't get back to sleep at all. You know what that is? There's many things that can be, but I'm going to share something with you. That legitimately is or can be a form of demonic torment. What is that demonic torment? Sleep deprivation. Why would a demon want to cause sleep deprivation? Because they think it's funny. That's it. It's torment. That's their nature. Hey, let's rob Justin of nine hours or whatever, six hours of sleep. Then he's got to go work his job for two hours. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Now he's so exhausted. Start moving in and trying to put the depression on him. Put the hopelessness on him. Can you relate, my friend? Waking up, can't sleep. But oh, that education, that powerful education, boy, doesn't that bring healing? Or that skill or your company that you run. You're so happy now, you could sleep like a baby. No, no, you can't. How do you know that, Justin? Because I lived it. Yes, I know not everybody stays awake every night because they take ambium. Or they do a stiff shot of whiskey or melatonin. Okay, enough of this about sleep deprivation. My point, more or less, was about university education becoming something mattering, and that's supposed to heal us. It doesn't. Okay. Yvonne, you graduate university, and you start working in high school. Tell us a little bit about that.

SPEAKER_01 25:06

Yeah, I love that. I think always thought to be a really good teacher. And I enjoyed the Christian component. I taught in an Anglican school first and then went on to teach in a Roman Catholic school where I helped run the Year 10 retreats. So I loved teaching my subject areas because I'm fairly creative, but I loved the Christian component as well. But Justin, your comment on acting out, because I'm the only Christian in my family, my acting out was being different from all of them when I put my faith in Jesus. And so as a consequence, I became really straight. I didn't get into all the stuff that other kids do when they're rebelling. I sought to deepen my relationship with Jesus. And so it was that in the end that showed me that I needed to face the childhood abuse because the pain inside just got worse and worse. The more I prayed and sought the Holy Spirit, went to conferences, the greater the pain became. And so I ended up taking myself off to our minister who told me I needed to have counseling. The sad part of that was after 18 months of counseling, I wasn't delivered of a single demon. And in fact, throughout my whole life seeking healing in many different organizations, I was never delivered of a demon, even though some of them actually claimed it was healing and deliverance. So I had done a lot of work on myself. I understood why I had the pain. The difficulty was there was demonic there that needed to be cast out. And so I wasn't completely healed until that happened.

Aboriginal Ancestry And Spiritual Practices

Justin 27:11

I think that's an excellent point. I'm sure a lot of you listening are into self-improvement. You want to better yourself. So you do, you attend seminars, you go to therapy, you work it because you want to improve. But no matter what, it seems like the pain still stays there. Maybe it's lessened a little, but you know, it's still lingering. That was my experience as well, Yvonne, as a Christian. I became a Christian at 19 and had been through church. All the seminars I'd been to, all the prayer lines for like emotional healing and all of that never really touched the demonic. And that's the missing link. So if you're if you've worked it, the Christian track, if you've done what you're supposed to do as a Christian, and you still have torment, you may have demons. How about that, friend? Are you willing to say this could be demons? Or do you still want to hide from that? People are afraid of demons. Isn't that sad? Culturally in America, we have stripped out spiritual warfare. And demons are some abstract thing that a minister might bring up maybe once a year. And the idea that Christians can't have demons is what is taught in Western Christianity. I mentioned this before, I'm writing an autobiography, and I touch on this pretty well in the book historically, how did we get here? And I just go back historically and show how we got here. Because the early church absolutely was into deliverance and exorcism, like crazy. So this is a very westernized version of Christianity that stripped out the majority, not all, the majority of spiritual warfare. So when you hear these episodes and you're still traumatized, the reason you keep coming back, yes, this is inspirational, absolutely, but it's raw and real. And there's part of you that contemplates, could this be demons? But then there's this fear. Because in your mind, demons mean paranormal terror. You know, the horror films you've seen, the books that you've read that deal with paranormal, supernatural stuff, all that stuff's in your psyche. And so you have fear. And because you have demons, they further induce fear, bad fear, like paralyzing fear, because they don't want you to get delivered. I dealt with that in my own exorcism sessions. I would have fear to the point they would try to make me stop going to my sessions. They didn't. Because what mattered more to me was the truth of God's word, that by his stripes I'm healed, and that means emotional healing. He took that crown of thorns on his head for my emotional healing and deliverance. I kept going and got freed up. And you can too, friend, stop being afraid of Satan. He doesn't have authority over you. All you need to do is go through deliverance, renounce some things, break soul ties. I can help you find the generational curse and break it. This isn't Hollywood. And you've heard over and over on these episodes people say how gentle it is. Very similar to therapy. If you've ever been to therapy, we talk. Oh, that's terrifying. We talk and have a coffee? Yeah. What about the demons? Are they going to manifest it? Am I going to spin my head? Am I going to love it? No. But you do have demons, and I will push them to come up and they will speak out you, and I will interrogate them through the authority of Christ and break that generational curse through the compassion and love of Jesus Christ. So you, my friend, can be free. Okay. Let's talk generational curses since we're already getting into this. Now, Yvonne, let's talk about the First Nation people, Aboriginal people. There's a lot of these of the First Nation peoples in Canada. That's the politically correct term, right? Forgive me if I get it wrong. I turned 54 in May, guys. Hallelujah. A lot of people get real ashamed of their age. Oh my God, I'm old. No, man, I am thrilled. I'm alive. Listen to episode one, man. I've been through a decent amount. Most of you have been through way more than me. But anyhow, let's talk generational curses and let's talk about the Aboriginal people and some of the history here because this, if you know anybody, like I was saying in the intro, that's Native American or has Native American ancestry, get this to them. This is fascinating stuff. So, Yvonne, I'm coming to you for some history. Let's talk Aboriginal people back through your bloodline, and let's talk about how they function as a culture, as a society, and how they function spiritually. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 32:53

We had a family secret, and that was actually that we were Aboriginal. My mom shared the story that one day she came home from work. I was the latchkey kid, both my parents working, and I was sitting in the bath scrubbing my skin with a scrubbing brush, and she said to me, What are you doing? And I said, Oh, I'm getting teased at school. And I was actually trying to scrub the colour off. Now, I had no idea that I was Aboriginal. And in fact, probably more creamy. I'm not particularly dark, but Aboriginal people recognize, I certainly have the nose, certainly recognize my features. And one lady who worked with Aboriginals in the Northern Territory told me that I walk like an Aboriginal. I don't know how that looks. But it was a family secret. There was enormous racism in Australia. We had a white Australia policy. And so we don't actually know a lot about the beginnings of where Aboriginal people came into our family because it was never discussed. I was told I had Romney gypsy, and that's why I was very olive, and why everybody in the fruit shop would ask me what the price of the fruit was, because we had a lot of Italian and Greek fruiterers in New South Wales. So it wasn't till later in life we actually had confirmed that we were aboriginal. And we may have come through illegitimacy on the sheep station where my grandmother and grandfather were working. We can't get those records, so we're unsure about that. So I identify as Aboriginal, that's a politically correct term. I look aboriginal, and we have a very rich culture in Australia, but there are things in our culture that are demonic. And so, for example, our attachment to the land is huge, but for me that meant that I had demonic, and I could literally feel when it was being cast out that it was in my feet, and that was my attachment to the land. Now it may be different for all Aboriginal people. The worship was around the rainbow serpent, which of course is known as a demon. And so I had to have that cast out as well. And in my family line, we had I had an uncle that was involved with the occult. My mother and her family actively went to clairvoyance, went used crystal balls, all that sort of thing that opened us wide up to demonic in our family line. So Aboriginal people in Australia are seen to be very spiritually sensitive, and we are, but it's through worship of false gods and rituals and totems that we have that open us up to evil.

Justin 36:30

Thank you, Yvonne. A couple weeks back we were talking and you were describing to me, which I found very interesting, that there are divisions within the Aboriginal people who have slightly different practices between them. Can you tell us a little bit about that? I found that very interesting.

SPEAKER_01 36:50

Yes, there are actually over 200 mobs. We call, you know, the tribe, if you want to use the term tribe, mobs, which means there was also over 200 different languages. So there's not a unified language in Australia for First Nations people. Unlike in New Zealand, my understanding is there's more unified language, not in Australia. And so each particular mob has its own totems and different ceremonies, things which are important, their own spirit guides in dreaming. And so it's different for every Aboriginal group. My family came from Tamworth, and so that particular mob is Tamileroy.

Justin 37:45

And can you explain to us what a totem is?

SPEAKER_01 37:49

When you were born in a particular mob, there are things which are important to that group, people group. And so the totem is the animal that's appointed to you. And so some use that, not a spirit guide, but as the animal which helps them.

Justin 38:10

So can you give us an example of a totem that's assigned to a child that's supposed to help them through life?

SPEAKER_01 38:18

That could be anything, but of course, they're all native animals. It could be like the Gowanna. Yeah. Just we have lots of native animals in Australia that you don't have in America. So a native animal generally distinct to that particular region in Australia because we have a very vast country. And so the animals are sometimes in various areas depending upon the climate. Because we even have lots of desert.

Justin 38:49

So that could be things like a kangaroo, as an example. Okay. Understood. And so these are spirits that are transferred to you. And it's interesting because we've witnessed as exorcists in Dr. Larson's network that when these animal spirits manifest, the person actually physically transitions into that animal, acting just like it. So we've had where people would manifest a monkey spirit, and immediately they go into a monkey position, hands down on the ground, the face changes a little bit, things like this. So it's very interesting from an exorcist perspective. And I believe also the different tribes, I'll call them tribes, that are in Australia, they're very big on nature, animal spirits, nature spirits, and I believe also ancestor worship. Is that correct?

SPEAKER_01 39:56

Yes, that's very correct. So dreaming. Now I became a Christian when I was 12 years old wasn't confirmed till afterwards that I was, in fact, actually Australian Aboriginal. And so I was not practicing those things. However, when I had exorcism, they all needed to be dealt with because lying about the fact you're Aboriginal doesn't get rid of those things. And so it was in my family. And we found there was a lot of uh like shamanism, though it's called the kibbutcha man, a bit like the witch doctor, was in my family line.

Justin 40:43

Yes, that's very interesting. Very interesting. And this these concepts, this overall concept of animal worship, animal deities, nature, the land, ceremonies, impartations of spirit guides, dreams, voyages, all these sorts of things are somewhat common across all of these tribes and peoples across, say, Canada, North America, Australia, New Zealand, they all have very similar spiritual practices. And it causes demonization, it causes generational curses. So, like I've worked with Native Americans here in North America, and they have had generational curses resting on their life, and they're not practicing any Indian type ritual ceremonies or anything. They are Christians, but the generational curses from their ancestors are active in their life and tormenting them and vexing them. So they come, I work with them and get the demons expelled. So it's an interesting thing, also, I'm curious to know in Australia, Yvonne, but I know in North America, and I'm pretty sure in Canada as well, that the First Nation people, a lot of them are alcoholic and a lot of them are very poor. There's many reasons for the poverty, especially in North America. I don't want to get into all that, but I'm just saying it that seems to be very common and which to me implies generational curses that keep getting passed down. Is the alcoholism and poverty common with the Aboriginal people, Yvonne?

The Breaking Point And Exorcism

SPEAKER_01 42:51

Absolutely. And all of them suffer from generational trauma. In Tasmania, the solution for the White Australia policy was to wipe our Aboriginal people out. And so there's lots of things that have happened in the family line that's passed down. And of course, Aboriginal people don't have a tolerance to alcohol in the same way. I think we're probably more susceptible. I'm not a doctor, so I can't comment technically on that. But how do people deal with the trauma? Well, in my family, we can see the different responses. I turned to God, my older brother turned to drugs, and my other brother, younger brother, to academia, but he still carries all the pain. So it has a different effect on all of us, but definitely very widespread in Australia.

Justin 43:53

That's very sad. And this concept of generational trauma being passed on through the bloodline applies to all of us. Yvonne, let's talk about, you've mentioned the demons in your exorcism as we were stepping through the interview here, but let's talk and focus in on that for just a minute. What was it that brought you to the point that you said, wait a minute? Because I mean, you're a Christian, solid Christian. You were Christian at a very young age. You served the Lord faithfully, passionately, you've taught at Christian schools as a teacher. This is 100% Christian across the board. But at some point, you realized I have demons. And this is where Western Christians fail. They just think they have to live with the trauma that they have and the torment that they have. But you said, wait a minute, I think I have demons. What brought you to that point?

SPEAKER_01 44:55

Putting my head on the pillow in the evening and feeling like I was dropping into a black hole and could not stop. Dustin, I was taught that Christians could not have demons. And I believe that for many years I went on and trained to be a minister, serving in a church, and very unwisely helped a person who was in a satanic cult and training to be very high up in the system, let's say. And her job was to take me down. She partly did. I'm no longer in the ministry, but I am assisting people to get free from demonic because I myself got help. So I contacted an exorcist in Australia, Pastor Selwyn Van Wick from Unseen Realm Ministries in Australia, and he saved my life. And so we broke all the generational curses and many demons. Rainbow Serpent, which is really big in Australia for Australian Aboriginals, yes, manifests like a snake. That's embarrassing, but it's true. And so that is how I came to believe that this was in fact very real. And out of that difficulty and whole situation of finishing up in ministry, God's called me to help other people. But it's a bit of a shock, I'll say, Justin, when you taught in theological college that Christians can't have demons to find the reality is they actually can, and that I myself had them. And so it's great when I'm working with people now because I'm able to share that they're more normal than they think. And in fact, I'm as normal as you, Justin. So how's that?

Closing Encouragement From Yvonne

Justin 47:07

Normalcy is questionable, Yvonne. Yeah, I think you bring out a good point. You went through Western theological training, and that entire system denounces the fact that Christians can have demons. And there is a historical reason for this. I wish I had time to flush this out, but it's too long. Again, it is in my autobiography, and I'm not promoting my autobiography. I'm just saying I flush this out. So you guys always hear me saying this is a Western Christianity thing. It's not like this in Nigeria, it's not like this in Singapore, very westernized. And historically, there is a reason for that, how we transitioned from exorcism into rational university training in theology, which is a good thing. But when you strip out the supernatural aspect of our faith, that's a bad thing. Because now Christians who are attending Western churches are taught that they can't have demons. And that's the nice, comfortable version of Christianity. I wish it was that easy. Oh my gosh. It's not, though. It's not. Again, accepting Christ deals with your personal sin and resolves that. So yet you become a Christian, so when you die, you can go to heaven. It does not get rid of demons. That is sanctification. And as many of you have grown in your faith, there comes a point where you hit a wall and you know something's wrong. Like Yvonne. She's laying in bed, feels like she's falling down a deep, dark hole. It's paranormal. She knows something's happening. And she had a ton of oppression on her mind from working with this person that was involved in Satanism. So she has these symptoms. And some of you have symptoms. I had them. That's why I went for an exorcism because I was open to it. I tried everything. I tried renewing my mind through the Bible. I tried fasting. I read my Bible. I study the Bible. I'm a studier. I'm just not a reader. There are times I'll put on the Bible app and just listen to it, but most of the time I'm sitting down looking at Greek and Hebrew translations. I nerd out on that and I really spend time studying the Bible, the context and all that. So I'm not sloppy in my Bible studying. Okay, so I spend a lot of time doing that. And you've done all the Bible reading, you fasted, you prayed, went to church three times a week, went to this seminar, that seminar, this, that, and it makes you feel good. You feel real good for a couple days, and then it's back. It might be a couple weeks, but it's back. Comes back, those demons. That's why you can't get completely freed up. You have to get to the point where you understand that Christians can have demons. It's that simple. Otherwise, you're just going to live with it. Can you live with your torment? Like in Yvonne's case, where she's falling down on a deep, dark abyss and has this severe oppression on her mind. Can you live with that? Sure. Most Western Christians do. They think it's normal. I don't know why I feel so depressed. I've been to therapy and we work through the trauma, but I'm still depressed and I'm on medication and I still feel depressed. I don't know. Because you've not touched the supernatural. You've only dealt with the emotional. Demons. Demons, my friend. So we've covered a lot in this episode. I hope you found it encouraging and challenging. What do I always say about this podcast? This is raw and real. I couldn't walk into a church and talk like this. Demons and paranormal phenomena and trauma and sexual abuse and oh no, no, no, no. We go and everyone's smiling, everyone's happy, and everybody is walking in a lie, bleeding trauma. Why do you think we go to church? Because we're suffering. And don't you think part of that suffering is more than just the abuse we've been through in life? Don't you think that suffering can be from demons as well? This whole concept that Western Christianity comes up with. A person could be oppressed, but not possessed. There is no oppressed word in the Bible. Possession means ownership. No, I say possessed. I don't mean owned. They're demonized. Demonized. I really want you to be thinking about your struggles in life this year as you listen to these episodes. I want you to be honest with yourself. This is encouragement for me to you. I just want you to humble yourself and be honest. Really take time to pray about this whole deliverance thing and seek the Lord. Because I know as a Western Christian, this seems so ludicrous. But if you and I lived in Nigeria, you'd call me on the phone and say, I need deliverance. Come on over. And I just come, it's so normal. So I just want you to keep that in mind. Listen to these episodes. Pray to the Lord because you're still suffering. You've done the drill, okay? You can't do it anymore. You've done the gymnastics. You've read the Bible. You've prayed. You've fasted. You went to the women's convention for three days and went up jumping around and got healed at the altar. All the emotional traumas healed, gone. But yet you still suffer. And I'm not picking on women. That was just random thought, right? Because whether it's a men's convention where you go and write you repent and all that, and I'm going to quit looking at porn and all that. And then a week later you're back looking at porn. Why is that? Demons. Think about it. Think about it as you listen to these episodes. And if you want to meet with me for a free 20-minute consultation to see if you do have demons, then go to justind.com forward slash help. That's it. And if it's a fit, I'll meet with you. And we could talk about your situation. I've said this before. Some people I meet with, they don't need a deliverance. They need discipline. They need therapy. So I tell them that. This isn't deliverance. This isn't demons. Other people, I'm like, yeah, you got demons. And there's no pressure. If you want to work with me, great. If you don't, great. Go find a deliverance minister, but get rid of them. I care about you guys. This is why I do this. I don't do this for popularity and fame. I do this because God's called me to do it. And I serve him and I serve you. And it's an honor. And I thank you for listening. Keep coming back. Now, if you have found this episode informative, helpful, encouraging, inspiring, text it to a friend right now. Tell them to check it out. Can you do that for me? Again, if you know anybody that's Native American, First Nations people in Canada. And also if you know anyone in Australia that is part of Aboriginal heritage, or people in New Zealand that are May, text this to them. They can get a lot out of it. All right. Now, at the end of every episode, you know I have my guest leave words of encouragement. So, Yvonne I'm going to come to you, and I'd like you to encourage the audience. In your own words, why do you think a Christian who's still struggling, they've done everything, Yvonne, right? They've lived a good Christian life like you had. You didn't go into the world, you didn't get into drugs, drinking, sleeping around, you met your husband at university, married good, solid Christian woman that had demons. So I'd like you to share with people some encouragement. Why should a Christian consider going for an exorcism?

SPEAKER_01 55:44

That's easy. Because historically, when a person put their faith in Christ, in Jesus, they were discipled and they were delivered. And it saddens me today that process is rarely seen. I'm preparing a talk at the moment. I'm speaking at a women's retreat. And it's go into all the world and preach the gospel, heal the sick, cast out demons. That's actually a commandment. I'm not quite sure where that dropped off in many churches, but to me, when I read that passage, that's telling us that's what we're called to do. I love to see the gospel preached in power. Philip was an evangelist, he preached the gospel and he cast out demons. So I'd like to see this normalized in church. And I've said at many women's retreats, it's because it's been suppressed in the churches and it's not happening that people are not aware that it's real. It can be a simple thing. You may struggle reading your Bible. And if that's you, it could be because there is demonic there preventing you from doing that. So check in with Justin. He is part of a large group of exorcists, and I'm part of that group myself. Get free. It's actually sanctification, it's not scary, and it deepens your relationship with Jesus Christ so that you can be filled with the Holy Spirit and bring glory to God.

Justin 57:29

Thank you, Yvonne. And I just want to remind you that if you're looking for an exorcist and you're in Australia and you are a female, perhaps looking for a female exorcist, reach out to Yvonne. You can reach her at seekfreedomaustralia at gmail.com. Again, that's seekfreedomaustralia at gmail.com.