Witchy Media and Fat Witches

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We talk upcoming witchy movies and TV, some truly infuriating anti-pagan nonsense, and the *very real* opinion floating around WitchTok that fat people don’t have enough “willpower” to do witchcraft. 

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SPEAKER_02 0:15

Quick little charm thing before we get back into it. I am launching my Essence of Summer collection for those who want to hang on to a little bit of that summer warmth and sunlight as we begin to dip into the darker half of the year. And to celebrate the launch, I am offering a very small batch of mini fire scrying readings for 111. Um, I wanted to sneak a little numerology into that price. Eleven gets associated with like intuition and spiritual insight, and it just it felt right, okay? Alright, listen, here's how it works. You give me one question or a general vibe. I will sit with the flame for a few minutes and then send you a short audio telling you what I saw, what I think it might mean for you. Uh, if applicable, I might pull a clarifying card. But these are intentionally little readings, not the whole big grandiose fire scrying session, but just a small amount of small readings that once these are gone, then they are gone for this sale. So you can grab one or check out the rest of the Essence of Summer Collection at CharmByCharlie.com. Okay, capitalism over. Back to witchcraft. Hi, welcome to this week's episode. We're starting it now. When I say this week's episode, I also mean today's episode. Ta-da! Wait, wait, wait! Love this. Uh, we are live in front of chat again today. Uh, check that out over on Patreon. We're gonna do it once a month. Enough about that. I'm excited about what we're talking about today. And when I say excited, I mean I have a feeling something is going to piss me off deeply.

unknown 2:10

Yay!

SPEAKER_00 2:11

Yeah. I have to comment on something in chat real quick. Okay. Uh just says to be fair, Arizona is weird, and I'm gonna have to say no. Arizona is the one state doing it right.

SPEAKER_02 2:24

Okay, I I'm in the middle of this of this of this because I agree that they are doing it right because I think the daylight saving time daylight savings time is bullshit and needs to be dismantled. Uh however, I do think that then makes Arizona weird. Because, excuse me, because even though you don't really change time, you do change time zone for the like the rest of us, making it a little weird. But you are correct. Keep Arizona weird. Keep does everyone say that? Because I thought that was special to uh uh Austin, because they always, you know, keep Austin weird. But I have been multiple places now. Like Portland, weird, Manitou Springs.

SPEAKER_00 3:13

Knoxville. Oh. Anyway, I'm just doing like we're to the we're unprepared. I'm not even gonna lie. Well, this is gonna be a variety show today, like even more than usual.

SPEAKER_02 3:28

You are prepared. I am truly unprepared because you came up with this. Well, okay, so first of all, we had an idea for topics and we were like, I don't know. It's anyway. Kim was like, yo, there's this thing we've been talking about since at least when we met in uh Dallas. Something's been going on that we're gonna talk about. We'll get it to uh in a minute, but she wrote me today and was like, hey, what if we talk about this today? And then also some other stuff. So basically, Kim, other than the one thing taking your socks off because it's hot and small in there. Mark your bingo cards, everyone. Uh you're essentially going to be presenting me with things, and I'm going to be reacting with my mouth wide open like a trout. And uh I didn't know I was doing React. Okay, let's do that. I love React. YouTube thumbnail face. Give me a good YouTube thumbnail face. Sick, dude. That's so fucking the thumbnail, dude.

SPEAKER_00 4:30

Everybody's gonna You know most YouTubers will not do that because then there's somebody's gonna draw a dick in it.

SPEAKER_02 4:38

Oh. But no one can if we do it first. So that's what our thumbnail will be. Oh, that's right, you gotta cover it.

SPEAKER_01 4:46

Um I gotta leave room for the dick though.

SPEAKER_00 4:57

I'm sorry, everyone. None of them. I don't know. I'm sort of sorry. You be sorry. I'm not sorry about nothing, baby. Anyway. Anyway.

SPEAKER_01 5:08

Jake, spy me up, Dr. Pepper.

SPEAKER_02 5:11

Oh is Dr. Pepper the superior cola, in your opinion?

SPEAKER_00 5:17

It's not a cola. But yes.

SPEAKER_02 5:19

It's not really a cola, is it? A cola is Coke, Pepsi, Rola has cola nut flavoring.

SPEAKER_00 5:31

It's spelled with a K, I think. Right. Delphine knows Dr. Pepper is elite.

SPEAKER_02 5:37

Yeah, I do like Dr. Pepper. I like Dr. Pepper, I like Diet Dr. Pepper.

SPEAKER_01 5:42

I like Coke. I love pie. Uh this is hard to do.

SPEAKER_03 5:53

Okay, that's where we are now.

SPEAKER_00 5:57

Okay, here's what you do when you're editing. Just beat pie over it.

SPEAKER_02 6:05

I only have to say it like pie. That's what I'll do that. There's that weird editing thing that you can do where you can highlight one word and change it to another word and it changes the video and everything. I'll do that there. We all know that I said pie, but in the live folks get to know that we're saying pie.

SPEAKER_00 6:24

Make terrible errors. I love cocaine, dude. Um that's not true. Anyway, you want to hear some like brief news? Yes.

SPEAKER_02 6:36

Let's get to let's get to the the actual point of this episode. Yeah, the dick meet. Remember that? Yes. All right. I remember Hi Dad.

SPEAKER_00 6:53

If your dad still listens, hello. You're my new uncle. Just so you know.

SPEAKER_02 6:59

I do when I when I get into uh the vehicle with them and it automatically links to their like uh whatever music player they have on their phone, it jump scares me with my own voice every time. Because it auto it starts to like autoplay wherever they left off, like on an episode. So it's either me or Macy just it scares me every time. Because there it's like way back.

SPEAKER_01 7:23

It's like way back in the anals. I don't think that's anyway. Look it up.

SPEAKER_02 7:34

It's the annals. Anals. Fuck.

SPEAKER_00 7:38

Have you heard the good news? Tell me the good news. Okay, there's a bunch of um witchy media like TV and movie stuff coming out. Okay. First is Practical Magic 2, which most of us know about, especially if you listen to this podcast. And it will come out in US theaters I think September 11th, which Whoa. Kind of questionable, but whatever. It said internationally on September 9th. I we're a nation, so I don't know if that counts, but it's either September 9th or September 11th.

SPEAKER_02 8:15

Uh wild choice to make. Is that this year? I didn't realize it was uh so quick. I thought it was like in the middle of filming still. Okay, cool. Yay! Are we excited about it? I just saw it.

SPEAKER_00 8:29

I'm not going to go see it in a theater, but I'll watch it when it hits HBO.

SPEAKER_02 8:33

I love the theater. I love going to the cinema. I love popcorn more than I love life. Popcorn has kept me alive sometimes. You know, when you're just really like, what do I have to live for? And then you remember that movie theater popcorn exists and you go, oh fuck yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:53

Well, for me, that would be spring rolls.

unknown 8:56

Oh, spring rolls.

SPEAKER_03 8:58

That's a good thing.

SPEAKER_00 8:59

When I went through a deep, deep, deep depression slash uh mental breakdown, I ate nothing but spring rolls for two weeks. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:09

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Well, you know what? I would say spring roll has a lot of your nutritional needs.

SPEAKER_00 9:16

It's got vegetables and carbs and meat, and then you dip it in the sauce, bro.

SPEAKER_02 9:22

Fuck.

SPEAKER_00 9:23

Anyway, next, American horror story Coven, the 13th anniversary, or the 13th season, I think. And that comes out on September 24th, and it has a bunch of the they have a bunch of the old actors from the original season. Jessica Lang? I think so. Really? Angelica Houston, maybe? Okay, yeah, yeah. Anyway, I I might actually watch that one. That's September 24th.

SPEAKER_02 9:54

Okay. Halloween.

SPEAKER_00 9:55

Halloween's gonna be fucking happening this year, dude. Hell yeah. And neither of us are gonna have time to enjoy it because you have to come here in October. On the 8th.

SPEAKER_02 10:06

October. Wait. That means we could watch something to go.

SPEAKER_00 10:10

Oh no, hot Halloween is after that. I forgot. Never mind. I don't remember how numbers work.

SPEAKER_02 10:15

We'll think about it.

SPEAKER_00 10:16

Next is a Canadian miniseries. Uh I actually posted about this in the group. And it's a Canadian miniseries of episodes called Ya Ga. Carrie they might pronounce it differently, but that's how I'm gonna say it because that's how Lyra says it, and Lyra knows. So Carrie Ann Moss is in it. The aggression. Okay. Uh I don't know who that is. Yes, you do. It's Trinity from The Matrix. Oh wow. With the leather.

SPEAKER_01 10:49

Okay. Oh.

SPEAKER_00 10:52

All right. Yeah. Hell yeah, brother. That one. And that will hit streaming platforms in October. I'm excited to see that. Hell yeah. There's a Japanese movie called Maibashi Wishes. I might have said that wrong, sorry. Based on 2025 anime. The themes are witchcraft, friendship, music, and coming of age, and it is an October release.

SPEAKER_02 11:20

What anime? Anime of the same name?

SPEAKER_00 11:23

I think so. There was another little tagline on it that I definitely couldn't pronounce, so I just left it off. Sorry, everyone. Sure. And then there's another Japanese release called The World's Strongest Witch. This one sells. I might have to watch this just for novelty, even though I don't really like animation. Um a young witch uh she she grows up in a witch family and she has this finger quotes useless ability. Turns out that ability is internet. And she's able to access all this information and like help people. I know it's funny enough for that. I'm like, maybe I'll tolerate it for that.

SPEAKER_02 12:09

Also, like perhaps maybe they mean the strongest witches in like that's the strongest power. Ooh. Yeah. But also, I'm just thinking of like a fucking built jack muscle room. Yeah. Fucking blasting spells. Hell yeah. And also internet. Pure pier-p. Blasting the internet. Yeah. Take some early. Yeah. Porn and infomercials.

unknown 12:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:36

It's just the porn hub drum sound.

SPEAKER_01 12:39

Timu ads.

unknown 12:42

Timu ads.

SPEAKER_02 12:45

Okay. Uh what's the one that has that ad that was like, shop like a million oh, how did it go? Shop like a millionaire. It was some. Oh what fuck it. Move on. I have no idea. I'm shopping like a millionaire.

SPEAKER_00 13:00

And then there is some bullshit, two pieces of bullshit, one of which is going to get you riled, and one of which I'm going to riles. Yeah. This yeah, this is the Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so and then we're gonna finish up by talking about something really cool. So don't leave just because two things of politics happen.

SPEAKER_02 13:22

Oh, there's two things that are Yeah.

unknown 13:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 13:25

I know what one of them is.

SPEAKER_00 13:27

This one is older. Uh Tennessee state representative and gubernatorial candidate Monty Fritz has repeatedly declared that if elected governor, he would seek to ban mosques and pagan religions. Let me introduce dipshit Fritz to the First Amendment, bitch.

SPEAKER_02 13:48

Eat shit. Exactly. Are they aware that a pagan religion is just any non-Christian religion?

SPEAKER_01 13:58

I think he knows, yeah. I'm sure he knows that. I don't I don't even have like a fucking um rage response to that.

SPEAKER_02 14:12

Do you do you know that thing that happens? Does anyone do this? Listen, when something happens that makes you so angry, you feel nothing for a a little like a little and then it slowly starts to seep in.

SPEAKER_01 14:27

It's a smolder.

SPEAKER_02 14:28

You feel nothing, and that's when your body goes, and that's when you go, oh, this is bad. Because I'm not like, oh, what a what a fucking asshole. I bet it's like just quiet, calm, angry. And it's like over the next It's my tarot smooth, dude. Yes. Yup over the next four hours, I'm gonna chew on that until I am weeping with rage.

SPEAKER_00 14:55

And then we're gonna talk about the other one, which is some bullshit that Morgan Daimler posted about something going on on Witch Talk. Which, yes, you should roll your eyes and cringe.

SPEAKER_02 15:09

Already love talking about witch talk, dude. You know what? Genuinely some good some nice content that you could lump into witch talk if you're talking about witchy creators or whatever on TikTok. Sure. But we're talking the brand, Witch Talk TM, if you will. Uh notorious. Remember, as Macy reminded us, famously tried to hex the moon. Ta-da! Go on.

SPEAKER_00 15:39

I don't understand how anyone who is a serious practitioner can be on Witch Talk. Which is a hot take, I know. That's okay. Talk to me about it because I don't have TikTok on my phone because I'm paranoid, but and yes, I know it tracks me everywhere I go anyway. But anyway, feel free to try and change my mind. Yeah. I even have a watch now, so I'm being stalked everywhere.

SPEAKER_02 16:10

Yep. Well, there is no privacy. Don't worry about it. So um okay.

SPEAKER_00 16:14

Are you ready to hear the stupid shit? Uh huh. Apparently, if you're overweight, you can't do witchcraft because if you don't have enough willpower to not be a gross fat girl, obviously you don't have the willpower to do magic. We both just stop breathing so we don't scream.

SPEAKER_02 16:49

Here's the thing. Can you okay, give me a little more background on this? Who originally said this or where did you hear this from?

SPEAKER_00 16:58

I follow Morgan Daimler.

SPEAKER_02 17:00

Who is they are not the person who said this.

SPEAKER_00 17:03

They were fake. Okay, okay. They're like, what the fuck is this? They are a very r well-respected, well-educated, often quoted uh witch. I don't remember when for words all of a sudden. Doing that thing you love, right? I can't remember.

SPEAKER_02 17:25

Uh Kim doesn't remember words. Froze fat girl witch t-shirt. Fat witch.

SPEAKER_01 17:31

Fat witch, dude. Genderless, fat witch. Um I have thoughts and feelings on this, as do you.

SPEAKER_02 17:43

Uh in an effort to keep things organized. Please begin with your feedback.

SPEAKER_00 17:50

Um basically eat shit.

SPEAKER_02 17:54

Well, no, don't eat anything, really. You might get fat like me. What the f uh then you won't be able to do magic.

SPEAKER_01 18:02

You won't be able to do witchcraft. This okay, fat stuff aside.

SPEAKER_02 18:12

Because we're com we're coming back to that. Talking about someone not having the willpower to do magic, how do we feel about that? Because that very much ties into, I think, the intuition, intuition or uh not intuition, uh intention. Intention is everything. And uh there are some schools of magic, some practices that don't abide by that. They think that the tools and the things and the herbs and everything that they use carry the properties in themselves and therefore are the thing doing the magic. They're just the practitioner. They don't even necessarily need the the will to do that. Not everybody thinks that way, but you're already, fat stuff aside, alienating a whole lot group of people.

SPEAKER_01 18:59

Yeah, like um continue.

SPEAKER_00 19:10

I'm trying so hard to be. It's just such an ableist thing. It's so ableist. And also has ties in conservatism and the patriarchy. And are you serious?

SPEAKER_02 19:27

And if you really get into it, a lot of fat phobia is rooted in like anti-black culture, you know, and and like uh as Delphine says here in the chat, skinny culture is coming back so rampant. It is scary. Uh, especially coming out of this era that we were in for a while, where it finally felt good, like it felt okay, you know, and then and then watching over the past year or two, however long it's been, watching all the stores drop their plus size section and watching all the ads and the celebrities getting thinner and thinner, watching fat jokes come back.

SPEAKER_00 20:11

Tangent, real quick. Yes. If there is a plus section, um it's just the same fabric and the same prints, except they just make them bigger in weird ways that don't actually they're not proportionate, like they're like have two feet more on the bottom, like we don't grow that outward. And also the prints never match up because they just don't give a shit. Cause obviously if you're that fat, you don't give a damn what you look like. You're just trying to cover your tits. Right. And it doesn't matter if it's cute or not.

SPEAKER_02 20:53

Here's the fact that there's so exactly so many issues with uh you know when I was when I was growing up, I would the the the plus eye section was sh honestly, it was sort of like a uh everything you could get was like a business casual. I grew up wearing business casual, basically, until stores like Torrid came along and actually introduced fashions for larger bodies, but then of course they charged a fucking premium.

SPEAKER_00 21:29

Which by the way, we don't. We make sure to go in and change all the fucking pricing. Yeah, that was important. Because the the pr pr what is it called? Seller provider? I don't remember what it's called.

SPEAKER_02 21:46

Oh, fourth wall if we do our merch for yeah from.

SPEAKER_00 21:50

They and they use printful. So I guess you can blame fourth wall for it, but then you're also blaming us, which we're trying to mitigate it as much as we can. But to be fair it's originating from Printful, who charges more once you get into the X's. And we go down every price every time we put a shirt in and change it. And if you notice one that's different, let us know because we'll change it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:19

Uh and sometimes we forget. When we had merch on another site, they did the same thing as well. It's unfortunately pretty commonplace. Um and the well it uses more fabric argument is fucking bullshit. I won't. Yeah, look into it. Uh that's so sorry. To kind of to take okay. Okay. I want to go back into the the witchcraft part of it with um is your name Eileen I have a trouble I have a trouble with I's and L's. I'm I'm so sorry. Uh thank you. Eileen in chat says to be honest most people don't have full self-control of a lot of things. Skinny big your body proportions have nothing to do with your spiritual gifts and spirit spiritual practices. Preach. That's what I want to talk about. This if you don't have the willpower to not be fat, here's the thing some people are fat outside of the means of willpower. And my dog agrees it could be a medical thing. It could be they fucking like being in a bigger body.

SPEAKER_00 23:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:29

Let's not pretend that doesn't exist. I'm so fucking tired of people being like well don't forget there are big people who exist because of medical issues.

SPEAKER_00 23:37

Yeah and other stuff just because so Alex says coming from volunteering with unhoused people it's also a financially privileged thing to be able to choose to eat healthy and choose not to eat period. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 23:53

Yeah I have been many a time in my life for whatever reason you know what I can afford a $199 you know burger whatever.

SPEAKER_00 24:07

Because it used to be that fast food was cheaper than groceries.

SPEAKER_02 24:10

But I I do want to step away from the being mad about fat stuff. For me anyway being mad about fat stuff because I obviously I've got a dog in that fight but I'd be insane it's incredibly entitled I think to say someone cannot do a willpowered based if you that's how you want to look at it practice because of any reason because of any reason. If I sat here I mean think about I fucking you can't do magic if you're depressed. Are you fucking kidding me? You can't do magic if you're um poor or on depression meds. Yeah yeah because you're you're too weak to not be depressed you're too weak to have more money than you have um it's a wide bootstrap.

SPEAKER_00 25:06

It's very pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

SPEAKER_02 25:09

Yeah um and and God I'm sorry I I'm just I I have so many thoughts and feelings but I'm trying to keep them organized and oh God okay l listen literally I was gonna go there fucking do it okay Eileen says uh don't even want to get into how American food food is literally poison and keeping us sick. Not even nutritious it's hard enough to eat healthy because let's be real the corporations were never for the people I blame them.

SPEAKER_01 25:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:46

Um and the fact that it is very normalized and I'm speaking from American culture because that's what I know very normalized to not very much think about it. The summer of shit lettuce to not think about it to not think about food as fuel and this, that and the other and I also think that it that starts at a very young age and I have this beef that I've had for a long time with the school system and the food first of all that they provide to growing children here my God. Are you kidding me? Look at school lunches elsewhere first of all yeah but also the you get 30 minutes time to get in line get your food get you know I I think the like fast fast fast fast um you know which then prepares you into going into like the work world of like fast fast fast time is money you know slam something down your throat and get to it um in anyway the Clean Your Plate Club kind of fucked me up mentally as a child.

SPEAKER_03 26:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 26:56

Because if you take it you have to eat all of it you have to eat all of it to leave the the table stuff like that which that particular thing was not something I had to deal with but I had to eat you still have to eat everything and sometimes I'm not hungry but guess what my plate's not clean and it's been literally beaten into you to do it. Sure. Even if you're not hungry you ignore those body signals because if you don't somebody's gonna come clock in the back of the head.

SPEAKER_02 27:25

There it is. Yeah yeah I think there's a big not to go too tinfoil hat here but I think there's a big like don't listen to your body like ghoul that whispers in our ear that is a government entity um Ashley says kitchen witchery and making nutritious food uh are very interestingly connected for me it's almost soup season and that's my favorite potion to brew it's wild when you start thinking of food differently this is coming from somebody who still eats incredibly poorly um but it is wild to um when you're paying attention I guess to what we're putting in our body blah blah blah blah blah in general fuck that noise yeah um I also think some people just don't like fat people and use any excuse to exactly I'm worried about your health no you the fuck you're not let's talk about that for a sec.

SPEAKER_00 28:42

Okay so I've started following this chick called Blossom underscore Livova on um YouTube. She does shorts every day about what this is what up I'm a happy fat person and this is what I eat in a day. She's super sweet um into nerd stuff like us.

SPEAKER_02 29:01

Yeah um but is she the one that she starts she starts the thing with like this is what I eat as a happy fat person. This is what I eat not trying to lose weight?

SPEAKER_00 29:10

Yeah. Oh okay okay all right and she's she mostly for the most part keeps it upbeat and so I have to really hold myself back in her comments. I can't because she's just people are just like you know what I'm gonna do? I'm just gonna talk shit to this person just because I'm having whatever their problem personal problems are because you could just scroll past it. Anyway people are constantly in the comments saying stuff like well if you are really healthy blah blah blah the this isn't good for your body you don't actually give a shit about that. Nope. You are just trying to shame her into either getting off the internet or changing herself so you like it better? Are you crazy?

SPEAKER_01 29:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:58

Um yeah I I get severely bummed out in comment sections like that and and luckily I am blessed to have curated my things to where I see a majority of what I is is positive. You know other people being like hell yeah dude but um yeah it's the health thing I think that bothers me the most because they're lying you they're lying you comment on everyone's posts that you see smoking or like vaping do you comment on people who are like working with lots of chemicals drinking uh speeding any other thing that could be about health that's not weight related and it works in the opposite way too I will say it's I don't think as hateful or as prevalent but of course it does work in the opposite way because we are seeing so many celebrities get so very thin. Yep um and there's a bunch of people who are suddenly doctors in their comment section as well and it's like uh it just it very uh bothers me very bothers I am very bothered um but in general fuck you yeah I have found that the people who say shit like that are of two camps they are disgusted by fat people because they have some kind of deep seated issue with themselves or they are secretly attracted to fat people because so many of those people have shown up in my DMs so oh it's a thing oh it's a big thing uh you are kind of hot though I mean not even kinda you're out you're a hottie thanks my chin hairs thank you uh mine wave in return oh cute that oh oh my god I anthropomorphized or whatever that so fast we need a shirt with the silhouette of our faces okay I'm so sorry I that's the new secret secret handshake when you see us oh someone please make fanark okay uh Delphine yeah exactly Delphine says I've always been small but as a especially as a child I heard eat a cheeseburger and that made me self-conscious because I did eat. I have a cousin who struggles to this day to put on weight and it I I saw that it like deeply affected her. And of course as a teenager I was very shitty sometimes in my brain. I never said it to her because I I I think I knew that what I was thinking was shitty, you know, but as a younger kid I was just like oh it must be so hard to be so skinny and pretty and of course my brain wasn't fully developed yet and I didn't understand that other people have their own things going on in life but like I I I have been on that side I think where I was just like oh oh you're struggling you're small oh no must be terrible the thing is a lot of the people saying this kind of stuff aren't children.

SPEAKER_00 33:17

I was a child a stupid child so Ellie and Angela are having an interesting conversation the gist is that witchcraft isn't just willpower. You use other things. Yeah so Angela says they consider it like bringing to energies together in a single alignment of purpose to support the willpower because it's exhausting to just use willpower and then Ellie says I love that they consider it like a braid. You're braiding all those things together.

SPEAKER_02 33:59

I love that too me too. Yeah it it it is you know and as somebody who struggles with various mental health poisons. Yeah shout out eh sometimes you know you can't just be like I'm gonna use my willpower to blast this ghost away sometimes you're like I need the black pepper today or whatever because you're like that's your that's your support that's your tool that's what tools do anyway it just feels weird and elitist and and and and uh what's the word I'm looking for privileged and what's the one you said what?

SPEAKER_00 34:42

Finger shaky I don't know man ableist oh yeah anyway gonna bounce off Jessica's saying you're even skinnier people say oh you're even skinnier than ever and um maybe they had cancer maybe they went to a made through a made I I lost like 30 pounds because I went through a major depressive episode and for two weeks I ate nothing but spring rolls. Maybe don't talk about people's bodies unless they indicate that they want to just shut up.

SPEAKER_02 35:22

Yeah I I can't tell you uh there was a point in my life I was a young teenager and I decided I'm going to eat enough to get by and I am going to walk and swim and exercise every day and that is all and I and this went on for oh god it was just a handful of months you know but um I didn't realize what that was at the time and all I heard was positive feedback.

SPEAKER_00 35:49

Mm-hmm that's fucked up for your head man and I was 14 13 14 um yeah everyone in my life was like you're looking great what are you doing and I was suffering I'm depressed I'm having a really hard time here's another thing that is so skeevy and it comes like body hair plays into this too so um you know who's really thin and generally and and like doesn't have huge tits and huge hips or a lot of body hair children so are you look deep into yourself if you're disagreeing with us on this and say Am I falling for this bullshit patriarchal crap where they are basically wanting to keep us children which is Skeevtown.

SPEAKER_02 36:48

Which is so different than just like I have a smaller body type and also a full grown person because you're right there are the uh aesthetic components that come with it looking younger um being innocent of disposition uh body hair and body hair removal yeah why is body hair gross yeah and why is the best thing that you can be particularly as someone who is like a femme presenting person why is the best thing in the world that you can be young young and thin and well yeah those might hold hands for tying for number one but uh creep town okay I don't want to I dude I don't want to talk about this anymore with all of the comments coming in I I could do this for a very very long time uh I'm seeing all of these I'm reading all of you guys uh but I yeah I think it would be smart to move on and maybe come back uh uh at another time and and kind of revisit this but maybe we'll do a bonus rant okay we're gonna talk about something that I fucking love.

SPEAKER_00 38:01

Okay. I've never seen it it's something that I have been fascinated with since like 2005 Have you ever heard of Zozobra? It's ringing a vague bell tell me how to spell it I want to look it up Z-O Z O B R A Oh okay Oh okay so it's a um a burning man type kind of literally yeah and it pulls on several different cultures and the reason I thought about this is because I was looking up something that happened in Ireland where they did a burning of the a wicker man which is sort of like what this is and a bunch of Catholics showed up and said hey you guys are pagans you're going to hell blah blah blah so anyway I'm not talking about that okay so Zobra it is this thing that happens in Santa Fe New Mexico in September. It is a giant marionette effigy constructed of wood, wire and cotton cloth that is built and burned on the Friday of Labor Day weekend prior to the annual Fiestas de Santa Fe in Santa Fe New Mexico can I put a picture of this on the screen oh I hope you can uh you keep talking I'm gonna try to figure it out okay so this guy named Will Schuster started it it might be Schuster anyway he was this artist who got some sort of I don't know you know how everybody was always getting sick back in the day in the 20s the teens and twenties and then they go west for the magic air that's supposed to cure consumption or whatever. I don't know what he had too I didn't go look into it. Yeah so he moved west and because he had this illness he was kind of emo and depressed about shit because he's sick. Hell yeah um and so one day he got together with some friends one Christmas Eve and they were in a restaurant and all his friends were down too so he was like here he got some like pieces of paper out of a notebook or napkins or something and and he had everybody write down what they were upset about. And then they burnt them at the table in this restaurant.

SPEAKER_02 40:32

Great.

SPEAKER_00 40:33

And then they got kicked out of the restaurant which actually all of these things cheered them up so they all feel better.

SPEAKER_02 40:42

Hell yeah you ever been kicked out of a restaurant?

SPEAKER_00 40:44

Yeah I mean no but so then later on he was on a trip to Mexico and he was visiting a Yaqui community shout out Casey and he ran across a Good Friday celebration where they burned an effigy of Judas after they marched it through town and like verbally abused it. Right. Told it what a piece of crap it was. And then they burn it and he thought oh this is interesting and so yeah are y'all seeing that that is Zozobra. He's freaking awesome he ended up combining those two things and he built this giant weird marionette that he called Zozobra or old man gloom and he decided to make it a thing like in capital letters not the thing but a thing and he wanted to do it in fall because John Carpenter's the thing yeah or the thing over here in Dragoon by the DQ the thing? Yeah yeah yeah what is it anyway he wanted to do it in fall because a lot of cultures ours included ours being witches in my experience consider that a sort of ending beginning like death rebirth situation. And so Zozobra is actually an egregore and he is a collection of humanity's negativity and negative feelings and so he gets invited to this party in his honor finger quotes. Oh national and then they're like surprise bitch and they write down all their negative feelings and then like shove him shove all those papers in or they put it in the big his his throne of of wood that he's standing on. His throne of wood okay um and then they light him on fire and they have a big party and he isn't destroyed by the fire he's actually destroyed by the joy and the party and the happy times that everybody is having around him and that defeats the negativity. That's cute and so now it is a giant party where people come from all over the place around the world to Santa Fe and and have a party to watch this giant puppet burn. When does this happen you say September It happens like now today? No. But it's the the Friday before Labor Day weekend or Memorial Day whatever I always get those two confused. Whatever the one is this month thanks

SPEAKER_01 44:02

I can't move on. Thanks.

SPEAKER_00 44:07

Okay. Should this So Maybe we could go to it one year? Oh, absolutely. Oh. Cause I really like Santa Fe anyway.

SPEAKER_02 44:20

So what else is there there? Is it it's become this big thing? Do you show up, you watch it, and you go home?

SPEAKER_00 44:26

Or is it like a It's like a giant party. It's like there's a concert and there's music and there's fireworks. Yes, it's like a carnival, except there's it's also super pagan. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:40

The pagan carnival, dude. Hell yeah, dude. Yeah. And it's warm. Um because it's New Mexico. Oh Jesus.

SPEAKER_02 44:54

I don't I don't like that.

SPEAKER_00 44:56

Also, you know what else is in Santa Fe? Fucking Meow Wolf.

SPEAKER_02 45:00

Oh yeah. Which I went to a uh a sister project of Meow Wolf. I forget the name of it. Uh it's on my water bottle. Uh I forget what it is, but I went there to Oklahoma City and they had a little phone booth that you could enter with a camera, and you would pick up and you would connect to people in the I think Santa Fe Meow Wolf. Uh and you could kind of like speak to the Oh my gosh. Which was a really cool thing. Uh I'm not sure if it I'm pretty sure it was a Santa Fe one if I remember what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 45:34

That's amazing. Very cool. Well, there's a Meow Wolf in Grapevine now that I forgot about.

SPEAKER_02 45:39

I have forgot about that every time I've learned about it. Are you familiar with it? The upcoming film. Darn fuck. Oh shit, dude. Are you familiar with the upcoming film Wicker?

SPEAKER_00 45:54

I have seen all the things about people who want to bang him. Uh-huh. Uh uh. I love him. I mean, yeah, I'm here for it. I love that guy. I love a scars for it to hit HBO. Because again, no theaters. I love the theater. I love the theater if I want to see something really huge. Like the first time I saw Dune, I saw the second Blade Runner movie in the theater. And of course, all of the Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit.

SPEAKER_02 46:25

I want to do a marathon where they replay we should do that. And all day rent out of theater.

SPEAKER_01 46:35

And serve food that correlate with the movies.

SPEAKER_00 46:39

Oh my god. Oh my god. Limbus bread and potatoes and stew.

SPEAKER_02 46:45

What would limbus bread be? Because like when I don't know, I have a recipe somewhere. We eat short Lorna Dune shortbread cookies. Oh yummy. Yum yum.

SPEAKER_00 46:55

I love Lorna Dunes.

SPEAKER_02 46:56

I do too.

SPEAKER_00 46:58

Give me a plain buttery cookie. Hello? That's why I was like, somebody bring Lorna Dunes to the bonfire because I'm gonna make the fuck graham crackers.

SPEAKER_02 47:09

Ugh, the fuck?

SPEAKER_00 47:11

Lorna Dunes, Nutella, and a marshmallow? Hello?

SPEAKER_02 47:14

This is why you can't do magic.

SPEAKER_00 47:16

Yeah. But you bitch can make up a good snack. But I can do magic, though. Whatever.

SPEAKER_02 47:25

Yeah. Anyway. Well. Okay. Okay, good. I'm glad for the good news. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 47:33

So I have been trying to talk Rachel into letting us do this on his purpose. Which part? A giant wicker man that we shove problems into and burn. Right?

SPEAKER_02 47:50

What if it's okay?

SPEAKER_00 47:52

Let's make that our project next year. Let's do this.

SPEAKER_02 47:54

What if the wicker man is like Charlie? Let's do this next year at Anahadas.

SPEAKER_00 48:00

Well, yeah. Instead of alive, we'll just do a fucking we just do a fucking burning man.

unknown 48:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:05

It's time for me to take my mids. It's time for me to take my mids. I have to pee. Um we could we could call it like the flaming dude. We could make it like almost burning man, but not. Yeah. Like it's a guy who's on fire. Scorching, scorching lad. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 48:34

Anyway, everybody get your Anahottis tickets. Use code Church of Jim for $10 off. Come see it as Anahottis Purpose. And then in October, come see. Are you wrapping up on October 10th? Come see us at the Witch's Bazaar in Tucson at Trail Dust Town. Follow us on socials. And when I post a picture here pretty soon, find Jim in the photo. Okay, love you, everyone. Have a good uh week. Okay, bye.

SPEAKER_02 49:02

Goodbye. I muted myself because I knew I would talk. I fully did.

SPEAKER_01 49:07

I fully tried to talk over you knowing my mic was muted, so. Dude, it's such a problem. Okay, I love you. Thank you for wrapping up.

SPEAKER_02 49:18

Kim, that was amazing because I gotta go. I gotta go. I love her. Uh goodbye.