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Steve Eisman & Valerie Feigen
Episode 162: Modi and Leo are joined by Steve Eisman (the Wall Street icon depicted in The Big Short) and his wife Valerie Feigen for an alluring conversation on doomsday predictions, personality hires, and what it means to be an "apikorus". Be sure to listen to their podcast, "The Real Eisman Playbook".
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Alright, welcome to Ann Here's Modi. We ha we, first of all, let's just understand what time it is in the world. We are we are less than six hours away from Kol Nidre services. Yom Kippur is coming in. We're gonna be atoning. Kol Nidre is gonna be coming. You know Kol Nidre.
SPEAKER_04:By heart.
SPEAKER_03:Of course. Kol Nidre Villa. Vehir. Leo Solo.
SPEAKER_07:So we are we are here sitting together hours before the Day of Atonement. And um and I anybody listening to this, if I've offended you, good. No, if I've offended you, I'm sorry. We've always meant to just bring Mashiach energy to you. So if we've ever said anything that upset you or angered you or or um or uh you were you found distasteful, please still buy tickets to the show. Anybody you want? Emma. Well any anybody you want to uh well hold on. Let me just tell you who you are. Introduce who we're talking about. I'm the worst at this. Okay, so I'm gonna tell you what Chad GPT said his introduction is. For me, it's just one Steve Eisman, the guy that nailed the uh the housing uh uh crash of 2008, which I'm sure you just hear nonstop. That's all you hear. That's all I hear. And by by the way, whenever I do uh uh a podcast, I I tell them this is what I don't want to hear. Don't ask me about me being in investment banking and me being in cantorial school. But there's nothing you have that's you. Yeah. It's like me not saying I'm a couple of years. That's a good one. No, I'm tubes, no. Okay. You you obviously you you you knew b you were the only one that knew that in 2008 there was gonna be a housing.
SPEAKER_04:I wasn't the only person. Could you make it the only person that's better for the podcast? I was without question the only person on planet Earth who knew this was coming.
SPEAKER_07:Amen. And then there's an amazing movie that I've watched like a thousand times about it.
SPEAKER_04:Um not as many, not as much as I've watched you being Yoli.
SPEAKER_07:Oh, thank you. Well, we're gonna get to how we know each other. And um, so that's who we we have on, and we have a I know for a fact we have a lot of day traders on this podcast that love to listen to this, right? Um, so we do have Steve Eisman here and his beautiful, beautiful wife. Fagan, not the same last name.
SPEAKER_00:No.
SPEAKER_07:It is such a it's such a Valerie Fagan. What? Valerie Fagan. Valerie Fagan. It's such a high, no, but but once she says Fagin, I can only call her Fagan now. Valerie's such a pretty nice. I know um, yeah, yeah, yeah. Really? Yeah, Fagan is like the most uh uh Lababacha Shiva. Fagin is like such a great Jewish-y name. Um so I'm so happy you're here too.
SPEAKER_01:I'm so happy to be here. Do you think I'm Lebavca?
SPEAKER_07:What?
SPEAKER_01:Maybe I'm Lebavica.
SPEAKER_07:Maybe. I'm Lobavacha. Everybody everybody's a little Lebavci. It's a Sheikh energy. Um and we are we're obviously I'm a fan of you because somebody can figure out that the whole world's uh got it wrong and you went against it. So I'm a fan of that. And um, and a movie was made about you with the amazing. And her too.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:And you nailed the wife thing, like I did, but husband. And um and we share Ryan Handelsman, uh, the guy that does our social media management. Management, he said you're a fan, and we I said, uh yes, that's a podcast. Yeah. Yeah. So and you saw me at the at the beacon, and you saw me at the um We saw you at the Beacon in December. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Then we saw you in Fort Lauderdale a couple months later. And then you were downtown at the Comedy Cellar. And we went to that as well.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:We're like New Material Night. That was amazing. Why didn't you come to the night? We're like groupies. Why didn't you come say hi? No, you okay. So we saw you at the Comedy Cellar. And there's a story. Baller, tell the story.
SPEAKER_01:So the story was that we really wanted to see you and went on Stub Hub and bought two seats. Got down there, we get in get in line, wait in line, we we come in and they say, uh, you missed it. It was the seats you bought were for two hours earlier. And and it was Stubhub's mistake. They actually we were we had bought for you, and they said, Here's what we're gonna do: stay on the side. Stay, and they tucked us on the side, and they said, if there's any room, you're gonna be allowed in.
SPEAKER_04:And then the Mashiach got us in.
SPEAKER_01:And the Mashiach energy show.
SPEAKER_05:I that I'm glad it worked out for you, but I just want to make one more PSA to anyone listening. Stubhub is not a guaranteed thing. We've gotten so many sad DMs where people have been like, I drove three hours to see you. I bought this on StubHub or Ticket X or whatever other resellers there are. And unless it's from the link that's on Modi's website, I cannot guarantee the veracity, uh, authenticity of those tickets.
SPEAKER_07:But now you have our number. You call it. Yeah, now you have our number.
SPEAKER_02:Leo will take care of you.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah. And it's so funny because that's stuff on my mom. When my mom's friends call her and tell her like how much the tickets are, she calls me. Do you know how much your tickets are? Like she's in shock that I'm selling for that amount of of uh of money. So, first of all, you're Hamish. I didn't know you went to yeshiva. I went to Ramaz from nursery through high school. So your parents had money. Yes. So you didn't you you didn't come from dirt and then made money. I didn't come from dirt, I did not come from dirt. Ramaz is one of the more expensive but very, very good yeshivas. And then after college, I went to Rabbi Berkowitz.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, Rabbi Berkowitz. Asha Berkowitz?
SPEAKER_07:Uh no. Um Rabbi Berkowitz. He's great. He was like a history teacher.
SPEAKER_04:He was after my time. Okay, okay. And then after uh college, I went to Israel for a year and studied yeshiva for a whole year, studied Talmud for a whole year. Hardcore. Which yeshiva? Bravender's doesn't exist anymore. Doesn't exist anymore. But it was pretty hardcore.
SPEAKER_07:That was a wow, so you really have a yeshiva head.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. A Gamoraka. I I I I would rather say a heretical yeshiva head. Okay. I was always the apicoris in the class.
SPEAKER_05:Translate.
SPEAKER_04:Apicoris is the is the is the guy who's in the who goes to the yeshiva, but it's like not a believer.
SPEAKER_07:I'm gonna fight you on this. Okay. I'm gonna fight you on this. Go ahead. So Apicoris. Okay, so Apicoris is like this. Apikoris is one of the worst things you could be. It's he just said he was, but try to be here for a little bit. I embrace it, but he doesn't know. He doesn't know. I do! That's why God put him on this podcast. That's why God put Apikoris is somebody who learns Talmud and Torah for the sake of, I hate to say this word, intellectual masturbation. Yes. That's me? It's not you. It is not you. It's not you.
SPEAKER_04:Let me tell you something. Every year at Ramaz in high school, they would we would put on a Hebrew play. Okay. Okay. And every year, it was a different play, but it was always the basic same story. There'd be the rabbi, there'd be the apicorus, and there'd be a couple of other people. And of course, the the Hebrew drama club was led by Rabbi Moskowitz, okay, who I had a thousand times. And he every year this happened. It was always the same thing. He'd look at the script and he'd say, We need an apicoris. And then he'd say, Get Eisman. He doesn't need to act. That's awful. That's awful. That's a horrible thing. What's true? It's not.
SPEAKER_07:Okay, so I want to tell you the best definition of Apicoris I've ever in my life heard was from Rabbi Berg of the Kabbalah Center. He said Apicoris is not someone who learns just for the sake of learning. Apicoris is somebody that believes in mikre, which means coincidence. If you think things happen by coincidence, then you're an apicoris. Right. If you so you're not. Look at this. We're sitting here together. You're right. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:I'm not, I'm an apicoris light.
SPEAKER_07:That's the title of this episode, but okay. If you want, okay. I'll settle. Settle. I'll settle. That's all right. Okay, this is like a look. We're on a trading desk. Yeah. We're on a trading desk now. We narrowed the bid button. You're not an apicoris. You believe in uh you're sitting here, you have a beautiful wife, you you're you you do wow, there's nothing, there's not it's mikre is the worst thing. When you believe things happen by chance, that's when you're in upicurus. Everything happens not by coincidence, they coincide. That's what that's what that is.
SPEAKER_05:Thank you, Rabbi Modi. Exactly.
SPEAKER_07:Thank you, Remy.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. So you guys have a podcast together? Yes. Well, I listened to some of it, but I didn't hear you on it. Are you on it? She's the CEO. She's the CEO.
SPEAKER_01:And I'm I he does a lot of the writing, I do the editing. Right.
SPEAKER_05:So that's what happened to me. I was originally not on it in the early episodes, and then he was talking off camera to me, and I was not on the mic, and then slowly it just, you know, and now you're here. So it's the same trajectory.
SPEAKER_06:It's an easier thing to look at. No, look at that. Now you go to a shot of you two. It's a nicer thing to look at.
SPEAKER_05:We could be of service.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, two old Jews sitting on a corner here. Now we have this. Right. Fagan and Leo. I'm gonna call you Fagan from now. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I can't I can't. If someone in your Shiva is a name like Steve Fagan or Bob Steve Fagan, that was my friend. You know, you just call him Fagan.
SPEAKER_04:I I didn't know that I had a first name until I went to college. They call you Eisman. It's a good kind of a good thing. It's a thing. I didn't know I went to college and people started calling me Steve, and I didn't read it. Who's that?
SPEAKER_07:They called me Jew Bastard.
SPEAKER_02:I knew right away.
SPEAKER_07:I knew right away this was they're calling me. So you guys have a podcast and I listened to a few episodes, so I caught up on like where your your your your head is. And I'm gonna go into like one of my questions. I wrote a good question. Little plug called the Real Eisman Playbook. Playbook. The Real Eisman? The Real Eisman playbook. Okay, the Real Eisman playbook. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I just want to add one thing to follow up and what you were saying, sorry to interrupt, which is that when he would do it in the room by himself and I'd be listening outside through headset, whatever, and I'm like, you need energy, you need energy. And so finally, I sit in the room. Nobody knows I'm sitting in the room. Right.
SPEAKER_04:But at least she judges me.
SPEAKER_01:And I can like feel like there's somebody there. We're on the same page.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:No, we're on the same page. I get you.
SPEAKER_00:I like being bad.
SPEAKER_07:100%. I so I've listened to a few episodes and I caught a few interviews with you people. I I this is it's it's it's almost horrible. People just ask him, what's the next crisis? What's the next failure? What's the next disaster? What's the next crash? I'm like, wow. Every time. I am going the other way. What positive thing do you see in the future? I had to ask that. There's got to be something positive that you see happening in the future.
SPEAKER_04:Well, I see something positive happening right now. I think uh the Jewish people haven't been more united in some ways for 70 years. And so I mean, there are people who are outliers, but I think the vast majority of us are have have found each other again for the first time in a very, very, very long time.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:I get very emotional about that.
SPEAKER_07:That's good. No, I see it. We really see it. Um we do events, we've done events with hostages, we've done events within people are coming together of all religions and races. But the problem is when you have something happening so big like that, there's also the negativity in Israel. The religious and the non-religious are at bat with each other, and that is literally preventing Mashiach energy. It's it's the number one thing. It's uh sinathinam, um anger for the uh uh hatred for the sake of just hatred, and it's so horrible. And I I've said it a million times if the Jews got got along, the whole world would just get along. I really believe that I believe that too. Yeah. Yeah. Um I keep saying Mashiach energy, and now that I got to know that you have a little bit of yeshiva background and who you are, and we all know who you are, what does Mashiach energy mean to you?
SPEAKER_04:When I play golf with one of my best friends, okay, who uh also went to Ramad with me.
SPEAKER_03:Okay.
SPEAKER_04:What Mashiach Energy means to us is we'll be on a par three. And I'll hit and I'll hit the ball and it'll go on the green, and I'll turn to my friend good friend Jack and I go, that is mashiach energy. Really? Yes. Every time. Good.
SPEAKER_01:Jack Brand.
SPEAKER_04:Jack Brand. Yeah. That is Mashiach Energy. It's when everything just comes together. It harmonizes. Totally harmonizes.
SPEAKER_07:When things are in harmony, yeah. To me, it's the obvious Mashiach energy is you're doing a show in front of a thousand people, they're all laughing together in unison. That's Mashiach Energy. Well, we've been to those shows. Yeah. You feel it. Thank you. Thank you very, very, very, very, very much.
SPEAKER_01:Um, so sometimes I'm crying so much during a joke, I need you to just slow down so I can finish crying of laughter. Just so I can catch it.
SPEAKER_07:You can't get the next joke. So, do you know that that's a rush I have? When I see someone that can't catch their breath and they're losing it, and I'm on the next joke and they catch on. When you see that, it is such a high for me. I've said it a million times. There's when that room is laughing, there's nobody having a better time than me. I'm having the best time in the world on stage. When I see someone lose it, like some joke clicks and they can't catch their breath, and then you hit them with another one, and they're like, it is my favorite thing. I and then sometimes I stop and go, go ahead, catch up. Catch it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We just had an amazing show in the Hamptons. Uh-huh. Uh Hampton Bays. Are you in that scene? North Fork. North Fork. North Fork.
SPEAKER_04:We're in the North Fork.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah. Which is the anti-Hamptons. Is it the Anti Hamptons? I had no idea. Yeah. Yeah. So we did a show. And I had a whole bunch of new material about guests and hosts. People who host in their homes and people who are guests of those people and what goes on and different things and the towels and the curtains and the all do you guys host? Do you guys have have guests?
SPEAKER_01:I I I mostly host as opposed to be a guest. And so I wish.
SPEAKER_07:She's a sick house.
SPEAKER_05:You've a sick house.
SPEAKER_01:No, not anymore. No. We're we are over-owning.
SPEAKER_05:But overnight guests.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, we're overwhelming guests.
SPEAKER_05:Not just like dinner guests. Yeah, no, no, no. No, we don't overnight guests.
SPEAKER_01:No, we do, and we do a little bit.
SPEAKER_05:We're dabbling in that now on a small scale. But uh we've had amazing practice. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:You know what? I I would go all the way down to like the water jug next to the bed and like those and the perfect scent for the it's enough.
SPEAKER_05:Are you over that? Running a bed and breakfast. Right, right, right, right, right. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:As opposed to me who would say, here's your muffin.
unknown:Here's your muffin.
SPEAKER_05:No, if it was up to him, he'd be like, uh, there's like a granola bar in the pantry if you want. No, I don't know. I'm like, you have to put it out for the people.
SPEAKER_07:Well, what we do for the guests, we put we put blackout curtains for our guests. So our the room, any guest room we have, you can develop film in it.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:And and and guests who aren't used to that, in their home, they wake up with the sun, all of a sudden stumbling out at 11:30. 11:30 in the afternoon. Oh my god, what the hell did you guys do? You guys drunk me last time? You roofied them. Oh, remember Roofies? Um, that's coming right out. No, it's not Roofies were an amazing thing that we used to take for flights to Israel. Uh yeah. Okay, all right. If that's your story, then wait, I call it Ambient.
SPEAKER_01:What are you doing? Ambient.
SPEAKER_07:Ambient's a Tic Tac compared to my Ambient just to get their TSA. My aunt Oprah, Zukunala Vrchav, uh, used to score roofies for us, and we would fly to Israel. Middle seat, God forbid. But this is in in coach, in coach. In coach. And you just all you did was make sure you didn't eat or drink, and you took the the roofie, and you obviously wheels up and you took this pill and you just went like this, leaned against the window, and you woke up in Israel, and everybody around you was like, How the hell did you just sleep for 13 hours?
SPEAKER_05:You never take pills until your wheels up. That's okay. Well, for sure.
SPEAKER_01:Absolutely for sure. Wait, do you think commercial? Do you have any other relatives that I could call? Yeah, we flag commercial like Matthew.
SPEAKER_05:Modi.
SPEAKER_01:No.
SPEAKER_05:Okay, can we just in case there are people who are listening who are not familiar with the movie and everything, because we're just hopping in, assuming all of that. Can we just give broad strokes like elevator pitch, tell us about the big short? Sure. And like some of your experiences synopsis. How would you from you? I think that would be interesting to hear.
SPEAKER_04:You know, Valor and I were both on Wall Street, and then when we had kids, Valor retired and and to raise our kids. Three beautiful children. And um I would I was running a hedge fund and realized that the world was gonna die. That was basically my conclusion. And and I would tell people I would be I would be at a at a at an event and someone would ask, I couldn't help myself where this is gonna happen. And I'd say, oh, the world's gonna end. Let me tell you how. And people thought I was insane. And then basically the world ended, and um I got a phone call from Michael Lewis to because he said he heard it about me, and he came and he interviewed me. And I was literally a borderline insane back then because I was so angry.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, we we heard on the podcast I listened to, uh you were kind of illustrating that though. You were just like raving and raving, raving.
SPEAKER_04:And and so Michael Lewis comes on, comes to interview me, yeah, and I would I would literally say in a in a two-hour interview, every third word was F this, F that. And I could see on his face, this guy is interesting and crazy. And so he wrote an article about it, and then he he wrote the book, and that became a movie, and Steve Carell played me, and Marissa Tomei played Valerie. They actually look alike. And uh and that's our story.
SPEAKER_05:How do you feel about that? Uh comparison when people are like, You know who you look like? That's a dangerous game to play.
SPEAKER_01:I actually had somebody weird things happen to me. Somebody drove up next to me in a car and said, You look like Marissa Tomei.
SPEAKER_05:And you're like, Well, actually.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. Okay, so then it works. And that's the story.
SPEAKER_05:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:But so from my point of view, because this was going on for years, that he said the world was gonna come to an end, and I and he ruined every single social engagement. And I said, Oh, wow, you were not allowed to say the world is going to come to an end. You are you were gonna be like a normal human being and you're just gonna have a normal conversation.
SPEAKER_07:That wasn't in the podcast.
SPEAKER_01:No, so then so eventually he was right, but by then everybody was sick of hearing from him about it, but they knew he they knew because he'd been telling everybody, you drove the you rode the elevator and he told you. And then he said, out of the blue one day, he's like, So Michael Lewis is gonna write a book about me. And I'm like, What? And I said, Wait a second. Uh-uh, uh I get it, I get a choice here. I get a permission. I always my permission slip. So he said, Michael will come meet us. So Michael and I were walking down the block. I'm walking with Michael Lewis. It's like the most out-of-body experience, and I'm shaking. And I turned to him and I said he said, What do you want to ask me? And I said, I'm afraid you're going to make my husband look terrible. And he said, I promise you I won't do that.
SPEAKER_07:He looked great. And you said it in the world. And he did.
SPEAKER_01:He made him look like that was a big deal for me.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. I like to say that the road between making me look great and being a complete asshole is a very short road. Right. And thank God he made me look so smart.
SPEAKER_07:Smart people are smart smart people when they're so confident. So smart people when they're so confident, they can say the crazy things because they know that they're right. So I, my first job out of college um was working in investment banking. Where? Okay. Are you ready for that? I'm ready. No, so we're gonna discuss this and talk about me in investment banking, which I never ever discuss. I've only discussed it as when people when people ask me how did you start comedy, I used to work in international banking and I used to imitate the secretaries or the language of the bank. Which bank?
SPEAKER_06:I'm getting excited.
SPEAKER_07:Moving along. I got him excited. I got him excited. Okay. So we're talking about 1993. Okay. ING. ING. Dutch Bank. Yep. I was on the derivatives desk. Okay. If you asked me right now, if you put a gun to my head right now and say, Modi, what is the derivative? You can't answer. I'm dead. You're dead. I'm dead. And then I did so well that they moved me on to the FX derivative desk. I I had no idea what it was.
SPEAKER_01:So no, so you were in a Dutch bank doing foreign exchange?
SPEAKER_07:I swear to God, I'm killing it.
SPEAKER_01:Everyone loved me.
SPEAKER_07:Everyone loved me. Because you were a what? I was a personality hire. Leo explained. Once I began to.
SPEAKER_05:He just started telling me all these stories about him at work. I'm like, so tell me more about when you were in finance and working at this bank and what because I don't know anything about any of that stuff. And he's going on and on and on. He goes, Yeah, well, I did this, but I didn't know how to do that. But I would be, I would do well here, and I'd go, Modi, Modi, Modi, I'm gonna hold your hand when I say this. You were a personality hire. And he goes, What's that? And I go, a personality hire is someone who is hired not necessarily because they're qualified for the job, but they make the job less uh boring. Makes everyone not want to kill themselves while they're at the office.
SPEAKER_07:We were on this, on the wait, wait, and I got promotions. I got promotion. I didn't know what they were doing, but I knew how to act stressed. I would have made you look like calm. I was like, what did you guys get the do but before all the CCs and all the things? Slap. All that slack. You would be screwed with slack. So I would um okay, so the derivatives desk and the effects of derivatives desk, and then they loved me so much, they moved me to the LDC desk. Less developed countries. Oh boy. We were trading um RG bonds. Whatever, I had no idea that RG meant Argentina. Who cares? It's on a screen. I was moving things, I moved things along. You almost destroyed the country. You didn't even know. No.
SPEAKER_05:I didn't have a movie too, by it.
SPEAKER_07:Personality higher, like moving money around like that. That's what it was. So, so so I I um I back then, and today I doubt that there is, there was a back office. So trades went through the back office. Today's probably just you go. So we we we we we entered into the Bloombergs, right? The the trades and all of that. And then um, and then but there were back offices that things that have to happen. And I had that back office greased. I had it greased, there were these women, all them back there, all lived in Staten Island, fingernails this long, you know, typing with the balls of their fingers. I brought them the inquirer, I brought them the post, I brought lunch. So your trade's clear. Bagel, everything we did. We began to, when we worked with trusts, with uh individuals that had insane money that was treated like uh a corporation, we would open the trusts, and that was a whole proceed, and I was the You could read the people hang. I could sit with a couple. So then I moved to Merrill Lynch. I worked in the it was the Irish firm. I Irish firm. No, Kaminsky was that was in charge of it at that back.
SPEAKER_04:But traditionally it's a very Irish firm. I don't know that. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_07:It was, and when Kaminsky was the head of it, people like, why is there a Jew in charge of this company? Okay, it was the thing.
SPEAKER_04:And by the way, the the I had one great line about that company. So the the CEO after Kaminsky was Stan O'Neill, who's black. And um I knew him a little bit at a cocktail party, and so he he um I was talking to him.
SPEAKER_05:You said the world was gonna end.
SPEAKER_04:No, it was way before that. And um he was competing with another guy to be CEO of Merrill Lynch, and I said to him, Stan, I guarantee that you will become the next CEO of Merrill Lynch. And he says, How could you say it? It's very simple. You're Irish.
SPEAKER_05:That's a good call. Yeah. You're good at calling things. What can we say?
SPEAKER_07:So you were on Merrill Lynch.
SPEAKER_01:Wait, was your mother proud of you?
SPEAKER_07:Okay, I'll thought so I was your mother. Wait, proud.
SPEAKER_01:That is a great question.
SPEAKER_07:What was about the proud of you? It's more than that. Let me tell you about my my one of my mom's most proudest moments in the world. So I'm dyslexic, ADHD, I stutter, I'm a hot mess. And here I am in banking. I used to have all these tricks um to like if we were entering 5,000 shares or$5,000 worth or something, or you know, I I would have tricks to make sure that I would put it in I would put it in right. About putting$500,000 instead of right. That's not good. Yeah. That's not good when it's five, yeah, yeah. So I had to take um I had to take the Series 7 63, all of that stuff.
SPEAKER_05:That's really impressive, Moni, that you did that.
SPEAKER_07:Very I did. But um at the same time that I was taking that test, um, I was I studied for it. And if you know all the options, you get 40%. 40% of the test is options. So I knew if I had 40%, all I needed was another to get to 65, is another 25%, right? Even that I can't I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:But then I figured math person.
SPEAKER_07:Right, yeah, not me. So then I got and in fact, I and I went in and I took, I I studied double what anybody else studied for this. And I took the the weekend classes and the option classes, and I and I went and I took the test and I passed. My mom was in shock because all of my mom's friends, their sons were taking the test too, because they all everybody starts on Wall Street and they all failed it. My mom, my when I told my mom that I passed that test, I she was like better than the beacon. It was better than the beacon.
SPEAKER_04:It was better than the beacon. She was in shock that I passed. So you had different parents. When I told my parents that I passed the series 63, my father said, Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_07:No, because you probably killed it in school. You probably had good grades. Yeah, no, I didn't. I didn't have any of that. I was not, but I was in I was in finance. It was the craziest thing.
SPEAKER_01:So how did you get out?
SPEAKER_07:Oh did you get out of jail? Um I didn't know it was in jail.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:We didn't know it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but it was the 90s, the bar, the party was raging.
SPEAKER_04:The party really was rage.
SPEAKER_07:Tell us more about that. What would you like to say about the rage? We're gonna go back to the 90s and snip it in. Very nice. Good for your first time we brought Cherum into the um into the I'm not even gonna discuss, but go ahead. It was so this is 93 to 99. Not 93 to 99.
SPEAKER_00:That was a good year.
SPEAKER_07:And I was doing, and I was doing comedy at the same time. Full time. Okay. Full. I would every night in a suit, hot suit, Armani, everything. Nice. I would go right to so when we had the suspenders.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:I had the hottest looks. I had the hottest looks on that.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, you took the banking look and you just took it on stage.
SPEAKER_07:That little knot that we all did, and that those things. I was so good. And the blue shirt. No one was a blue shirt.
SPEAKER_05:You were just in it for the drag. I was drag.
SPEAKER_01:What were the shoes?
SPEAKER_07:Okay. So I had good for her. I had these pair of Gucci's that were like a borderline, tuxedo-y, but not tuxedo-y. But where it's it caused a double take, but not enough to be like, what's he doing?
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_07:Right? I had those, and I had a pair of um, oh god, I forgot the name, but it's like the super stuper standard y one. Um whatever, something brown. Anyway, um the shoes were I had a good game. I would go right from there to the comedies, to the comedy clubs. I'd go from the bank to the comedy clubs, do my sets on the weekends, I'd travel to whatever there was, cat skills and all that. And in 99 I left. Um How'd your mother feel about that? She didn't care because by then I was already doing I was I was doing well, and she knew I was, you know.
SPEAKER_01:And you played the cat skills. My parents weren't, yeah. That's tough.
SPEAKER_07:It was tough.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:It's a tough audience. I talk about it now. It's I I've I've now in my next hour. Did you guys see that?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, we saw it. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_07:So catch skills is tough. I've I've I've developed it.
SPEAKER_04:Because you told me. That's how I know. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_07:No, but it was uh it was a hard game. But that was my financing uh work.
SPEAKER_05:So going back to the party in the nineties. Dish. What was going on? People eating goldfish?
SPEAKER_04:Well, we were married already. So we did not participate in the party. Sure, sure, sure, sure. We did not.
SPEAKER_01:There were trading desks and then there were equity desks, and there were Which ones were the party or trading desk?
SPEAKER_04:The trading desk was the trading desk where the party was raised. Which I was on, which I was on.
SPEAKER_01:We were in research. Research was the party.
SPEAKER_05:But sometimes it's flip-flops, sometimes that's the opposite of who you think would be the party.
SPEAKER_01:Well, if you were friends with the traders, then your party was.
SPEAKER_07:So there was research, which they got fired first when the market went down. Every time. If the market went down a little bit, okay, goodbye, all the analysts and goodbye all the researchers. Don't need them. And all the guys that made the money stayed on. Yes. So that's why I stayed on. I was at ING, there was a guy named Hal, and he used to smoke. This is 93 in the desk, in the office. Of course he smoked cigarettes. Right. Because he made more than anybody else on the desk. And I was his assistant. And I had no problem doing it because when I grew up, my mom smoked three packs a day until my barn mitzvah. Right? So he was he sat there with the cigarettes, and I was doing all this work, and I was his assistant. So I had big so I had clout in the office because he's the number one producer. So I had clout in the office. I'm Hal's assistant. And um, and then and he's the one that said, do not take those tests unless you're gonna pass. Those serious do not, you don't leave me here a day without an assistant if you're gonna go fail.
SPEAKER_02:He was a hardcore guy.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he used to used to smoke, so he smoked mar marble reds and holes. He had holes, the mental liptus thing. Oh my god. We never even had a moment to like connect and like talk and like what's up, and how's your wife? What'd you do this week? And never. And then after I got the test, there was like a moment, like a little window of I can talk to him. And I go to him, how why the holes? He says, in like the most like I can't believe we're gonna have a personal moment now. He says to me, because it opens the lungs up a little bit more and you get more smoke in. Wow. Wow. Wow. If you think you were crazy, it's crazy. It's crazy. And I was able to handle him, so I was able to, no one had he never had an insistent that that long. So that was Oh, he was one of those. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:So did you get to meet Margot Robbie?
SPEAKER_01:I did not. We did not. We did not.
SPEAKER_05:She is my one of my women crushes.
SPEAKER_01:She's a goddess.
SPEAKER_05:I mean, yeah, we didn't get to meet her.
SPEAKER_07:Nope.
SPEAKER_05:So I have something. At the end of the movie. Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, it's the water.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. At the end of the movie, they say that your next big prediction is uh upcoming water wars.
SPEAKER_04:No, that wasn't me. That was Michael Burry.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, sorry. That was not me. Because I just re-watched that part of the thing.
SPEAKER_04:That was his thing.
SPEAKER_05:And guess what? I agree with him.
SPEAKER_04:You're a smart guy, Burry. Very smart.
SPEAKER_05:All this push that Dove and all these aerosolized full-body deodorants.
SPEAKER_07:Have you noticed this? It's a Miss Shagassi hat.
SPEAKER_05:No, you're at the gym, they have like CNN Fox, and then they all go to commercial and they're all pushing the same thing. And it's this aerosolized full-body deodorant, which the aerosolized deodorant technology has existed forever. Why are they pushing it now? And they're showing people spraying it everywhere. They're like, you can spray it everywhere. And it's like under their towel in the gym room. And I'm like, they're coming for the water. Like they're preparing us now. For when we won't shower. For when we don't have water to shower.
SPEAKER_07:And when he says this, I say to him, Vus hochsternik. Okay, you're you laugh now. What do you bang it button when they make the movie about me for sounding the same thing? He's making a prediction for the end of the wall.
SPEAKER_01:He would say don't pray for bad times, they'll come anyway.
SPEAKER_07:Don't pray for bad times that come. No, they come anyway. Or if you prepare for a bad day, you'll have a bad day. Yes, that's true. I agree with more.
SPEAKER_01:But I might go buy some it.
SPEAKER_07:We have water. All right. Something else that we should discuss and bring awareness to is male breast cancer. Yes. Which I have. Which you have. Yes. Which can I tell you the first time I ever heard about that? There used to be a show on HBO called Oz. I was Oz. And there was uh it was That was a tough show. It's a tough show.
SPEAKER_04:But very homoerotic. Very homoerotic, but but the brutality of it was so hard.
SPEAKER_07:And then out of nowhere in season four, uh one of the characters, um Bob Rid Ribbedau, was all of a sudden was diagnosed with male breast cancer. And I was like, what? And they did it to bring awareness to and and it did. It was the first time I ever heard of it. It's kind of rare. It's very rare. So how do you find out? Is there tests?
SPEAKER_04:Is there a lot of No, so what happened was um Well, go back to the beginning.
SPEAKER_07:Let's go back to the beginning.
SPEAKER_04:So I developed a irritation on my left nipple. Okay. And so Valerie starts bothering me. Like this is what this is the the moral of the story is listen to your wife. Okay? I've been saying that. Your husband.
SPEAKER_07:I've been saying have I not said that?
SPEAKER_04:So I so she says to me, What's that? And I go, it's an irritation. I get skin irritations all the time. I put like hydrocortisone on it, it'd get a little bit better, and then it would get worse again. And I didn't pay any attention to it, which again the lesson is pay attention to your wife.
SPEAKER_01:I said, go to a dermatologist.
SPEAKER_04:Go to a dermatologist. And unfortunately, what happened was my dermatologist died.
SPEAKER_01:Passed away. Of old age.
SPEAKER_04:Literally died of cancer in old age. So I didn't have a dermatologist. So I sort of forgot about it. So then what happens a couple more months go by, and uh I play squash every Wednesday with like my best friend for 30 years. Okay. He's an oncologist. And so we're we play, we take, we we take a schwitz, we shower, and we're standing naked. I'm gonna give you a visual. Standing naked in the in the locker room, and he looks at me and he goes, What's that? And I go, What's what? At which point he walks up to me, he starts to fill me up. And he says, I don't like this. I'm sending you for a sonogram. And that's how I got diagnosed.
SPEAKER_07:Wow. Wow. So you understand that you're not an apicotist. Yeah. You understand that that's the same thing.
SPEAKER_04:That was that was God kind of reaching down and helping.
SPEAKER_07:How is it handled?
SPEAKER_04:So I turn very quick. Um I would say I had this first of all, talk about men getting um Oh. So you go for the sonogram. Right. So they put the my the uh the mammogram. The the the the lesson here is if men got breast cancer, the world would be very different. Because they put you in this machine, they they take your breast cancer.
SPEAKER_05:Is it the same machine as a mammogram?
SPEAKER_04:And they and they they pull you out, and then they they smush you together in the thing, and then you're like you're standing there, and you and you I'm saying to myself, she better take the to the technician, you better take this quick because I feel like I'm slipping out, at which point there's a crank, and she cranks down, and you're like, ah and then they take up they take pictures. And then I so I was diagnosed with breast cancer only on my left, my left side and in some lymph nodes. Oh wow. And um but the right side, it turned out was clean. Okay, and then uh the so we go to see a surgeon, and the surgeon says, um, you know, we could just do over here, but you'll have to get checked for the rest of your life every six months. I said, screw that, do a double. So I had a double mastectomy.
SPEAKER_01:We are the only one of the only couples, I think, who we both had a double mastectomy.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, you've had that, yes.
SPEAKER_01:And this is breast cancer awareness month, it's October. Oh, it's October 1st.
SPEAKER_05:I just got goosebumps. Yeah. Wait, so that's crazy. I've never heard of a couple going through that same journey to the same.
SPEAKER_04:We may be the only couple on planet Earth.
SPEAKER_07:No, because I'm sure I'm sure there's many lesbian couples that have had both sex and heterosexual sexual couples.
SPEAKER_01:So you're a good point. Very good point. So when did you have your So mine was very early stage, and it's interesting because as women were the gene?
SPEAKER_06:No.
SPEAKER_01:Neither one of us has the gene. But as a woman, you're taught to get checked, get checked, get checked. So in a normal, regular annual checkup, they saw something called DCIS, which is ductal carcinoma and citto, which means it's very, very early. And the advice after seeing all the doctors was just double mastectomy and no treatment after that, because mine was so early. And that's the difference. Had I seen something red on my left side, I would have gone to the doctor five minutes later.
SPEAKER_07:Right, right. Right away.
SPEAKER_01:Right away.
SPEAKER_07:Right away. Wow. So what what so is it something everybody should be checking or something? Is it you have to wait for a sign or is like help me? I feel like women it's for women that trained and goes non-stop.
SPEAKER_05:Look, and by the way, yeah, if men had to do that mammogram thing, we would have found the cure by now. Without question, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I just think, you know, if you see something say something like if something like that, an irritation isn't going away, it could have been skin cancer. It did turn into skin cancer. So the breast cancer in a man is so uh uh close to the tissue that it then turns into skin cancer. So but it could have just been skin cancer, so you just can't ignore things.
SPEAKER_05:So when you had your double mastectomy for a male, how's that different from do they do like reconstruction too for that?
SPEAKER_04:No, I mean they basically got sliced right across. Both nipples were removed.
SPEAKER_05:Um and then they took the nodes out.
SPEAKER_04:And they just on the left side they took out a bunch of about 30 nodes. And um and um I'm in chemo right now. Really? You still do you still do chemo? Oh, it's uh it's a long process. You you there are two types of just everybody should know this. So there are two different types of chemo drugs. There's something called taxol, and then there's something called AC, DC, something like that. So the the taxol is uh uh six is 12 treatments once a week. Yeah, and then the eight the other one is four treatments every other week, and then you do radiation, the whole process takes like four or five months.
SPEAKER_01:Wow.
unknown:Wow.
SPEAKER_05:And you had to do something similar after your No, I didn't because mine was caught so early. Oh right. Wow. Wow, that's so important to know.
SPEAKER_07:So important to know. And thank God. Is there some is there a a place where people can reach out to? Did they think they have something?
SPEAKER_01:Is there like a foundation a foundation or some kind of a BCRF Breast Cancer Research Foundation is fantastic. And uh Cliff Hudders, who's ahead of breast cancer as long catering, he's just amazing. And and I think that you have to call these. If you live somewhere that doesn't have a major hospital and that they might miss it, I would just call these places and say, Can I send you a picture? Just because now with Zoom and with telehealth, yeah. There are places that do a telehealth, but don't actually really good advice.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. Not everyone lives in Manhattan with all these naturally crazy beautiful hospitals. Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:Okay, so I've always believed, let's go back to the money thing, because you are you guys you guys are a money couple. And it's not not that I'm not saying you have m crazy money, which I'm sure you do, but money is an energy. Isn't money an energy? Absolutely. It's an energy, it's not just a physical, it's an energy. Yeah. And some people just have control of it and know it and make it and get it. And they might not have control in family and love and this and that, and they're billions and billions, and all they want is more billions and more billions. And it money is an energy. You you you believe that, right? Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01:I think financial literacy is so important. And that's an energy. Understanding money.
SPEAKER_07:Understanding money.
SPEAKER_01:Being literate in it. Really understanding. Pittsar podcast.
SPEAKER_07:Go back and plug the podcast again.
SPEAKER_01:Real Eisman playbook.
SPEAKER_07:There you go. The real Eisman playbook. Okay. That's it. No, that's so that's get that's what I try to do. I try to educate people.
SPEAKER_01:And women, I really want women to be educated with literacy. Financial literacy, it's so important. Men should know about breast cancer, women should know about financial literacy.
SPEAKER_05:I love that. I love the description of this episode now. We have the title and the description by the time we finish it.
SPEAKER_07:And he can't spell opicirus. So you might as well. Um money is is a crazy, crazy energy. I I I I've seen it in like so many ways. Well, you saw the bit I do about billionaires.
SPEAKER_01:Have I seen the billionaire? No, I've seen it.
SPEAKER_07:How to talk to a billionaire. Yeah. It's in my new hour. Okay, we haven't seen it. I can't wait. It's one of my favorite bits, even though it doesn't get the rip-roaringness of it all.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:But it's like one of my favorite bits of how to talk to a billionaire. Um, because billionaires, uh you guys aren't those of you who aren't watching, I mean, this is what a billionaire looks like. I'm not saying you are a billionaire because I'm not. But but this is what a billionaire looks like. They they don't look like Donald Trump.
SPEAKER_01:No, they look homeless. They look that's what I said. The more money he gets, the more homeless it looks.
SPEAKER_07:I cultivated a homeless look for years. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, he's wearing a what's this, uh, you're wearing a submariner, not a gold, not a gold, I wear a gold Daytona. I have no business. I have no gold. I don't even know what that is. Yeah. Because it's not your thing. Because the the the money is that is there, is there is there's a concept. And there's so much, and and it but it's it's dangerous because it can that that m that energy can warp you. It can warp you. It could also be used to start wars. It could be used, it could be used to create machiach energy. Like, you know, a few times like someone said that their synagogue just needs to have a laugh. How much would it cost to bring Modi in? I got it. And they pay it. And they create Mashiach energy. That really showed me like that, like i it's a a partner in comedy. And um and it's just I don't know, I just see money as um it's it's this it's this energy that like some people just have a control over, and some people just have no c no idea how to they just have a bad relationship with it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and well maybe because they haven't been trained. I I don't know if it's appropriate, but I just have to put in a plug that money can do is right after 10 7. I decided that we needed to bring Israeli survivors into uh Christian churches and created a charity, brought survivors over, and we went all over the Southeast to evangelical churches and schools and and had lovers of Israel, Christian lovers of Israel, meet Israeli survivors who had survived 10-7 and lived through the horror and hugging and kissing and and just and that to me is Mashiach energy. A hundred percent and the most amazing use of what money can do.
SPEAKER_04:And by the way, as part of that process, I want to thank you. I st as part of Valerie's incredible charity, which I participated in in a small way by schlepping people around, I stole one of your jokes shamelessly and used it a thousand times. Every pastor that I met, I told him that joke.
SPEAKER_05:Yes. You never believe what happened to me.
SPEAKER_04:Never believe what happened to me.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah. It was such a hit.
SPEAKER_04:I mean it was it was gold.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, gold. Good, good gold. None of them had heard, none of them have like, oh, I've heard.
SPEAKER_04:No, no, not one of them had ever heard it, and they lost their they lost it every time.
SPEAKER_07:Watch this. Did you do Bishame Omer?
SPEAKER_04:No.
SPEAKER_07:No. It's okay. It's probably not my joke. It's probably Bishame Omerim is when you when you say something, but you say in the name of who you heard it. Beshem in the name of Om. No, I did not.
SPEAKER_04:I just I plagiarized.
SPEAKER_05:So I grew up in Florida, but then I went to high school and college in Georgia.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_05:So I've done TAM in the South. Yeah. And um, what was that like interacting with it? Because the evangelicals to me are kind of a scary community.
SPEAKER_01:A lot of people think that way.
SPEAKER_05:I love them.
SPEAKER_01:And I I think they were the nicest, warmest people I've ever met in my entire life. The food was particularly horrendous. I mean, oh my god, they would serve me lunch and I had to still I I can't. With the white bread still, with a slice of white bread and some glop on a plate, and they were so kind and so generous, and I feel I felt really bad about that.
SPEAKER_04:However, such kind people, it's mind-boggling.
SPEAKER_01:Line up to hug Israelis and to she's like, So where did you where did you go? Like where we were all over North Carolina.
SPEAKER_04:Fort Myers, Florida. I wanted to say one thing about Fort Myers. So something happened. So she so Valerie sent me with one of the speakers to this um church in Fort Myers, Florida. And so we walk, I'll never forget this, I swear as long as I live. Um we walk into the the the church, and you know, there's a beam up. And and on the right and left is two enormous crosses. And they have draped each cross an enormous tallita. And I have to tell you, I started to weep. I got so overwhelmed that that they would do that. I couldn't believe it.
SPEAKER_07:That's so great.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:That's so amazing.
SPEAKER_01:So there are friends out there. Not everybody is.
SPEAKER_05:Is the organization still doing stuff?
SPEAKER_01:Um there was different groups that are still doing stuff. Growing Wings is an amazing organization. It's a lone soldier. Um, Max Long, he's and lone soldiers are the ones who go fight over there and come back here, and he trains speakers and he goes into all the churches. And we've made unbelievable friends.
SPEAKER_07:Can I tell you it's the most important thing? I I'll tell you on our own little level, for his 30th birthday party, Leo loves Israel. And he wanted for his 30th to go to Israel, and we took three friends who were not Jewish and to show them Israel. And we went um this is before October 7th, and we went to um uh this winery uh sagot in um in the West Bank. Yeah, in the West Bank, like deep in, where like signs and and they got to see that, and they got to see Jews and Arabs living together, and they didn't understand, and it was so important, and now that when the war broke out, they have more of an understanding of what what it's like in Israel. I birthright is so important, and every Jewish kid should go see Israel, but I think it should be every Christian kid too, also.
SPEAKER_05:Everybody, everybody. If anyone from Birthright is listening to this, I'm still waiting on my trip. I mean, I've done Israel six or seven times now, but I'd love a birthright. We'll do it again. I'd love a birthright moment.
SPEAKER_07:I've given you like four or five birthright moments.
SPEAKER_05:No, I want to go by myself. Yeah, I want to go on the Tiulim, like you said.
SPEAKER_07:Tiole. Let's go on a Tiul. Oh my god. Um The Rock of the Rock. The Rock of the Rock.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, that's one of the jokes that I can do.
SPEAKER_07:The rock of the rock couldn't stop.
SPEAKER_01:Could not stop.
SPEAKER_07:I can't I don't know if we're going to T.
SPEAKER_04:Can we talk Yoli? Go, go, go, go, Yoli, go, Yoli. I was we were introduced to you through Yoli during COVID. Okay. And I don't I don't know who told us about it, but I I just we just went online and we pulled it up and I said, somebody told me to watch this. Let's watch this. And we were blown away. I mean, I it was like the funniest thing I had ever seen in my life. And then, of course, high insurrection.
unknown:Perfect.
SPEAKER_04:The what? Ha insurrection. January 6th. You said, What I I need to know, I knew learned and avoid insurrection.
SPEAKER_05:So this is what happened.
SPEAKER_04:I thought you were Yoli.
SPEAKER_05:I didn't know it was okay. So listen to me. I need to hear that. There was COVID. We were trapped in the house staring at each other, and we were like, I don't know, we should do something funny. So he always has that Yoli character has had a previous life in that Clador video from years ago.
SPEAKER_07:Okay, so quick, 2000 in 2011, my friend, my friend was a designer. Chris Benz invited me to go see his show at Fashion World. I said there's nothing more boring in the world than go seeing a fashion show. So me and my friend Brian Gross got dressed up as chassidum.
SPEAKER_00:You did full blown.
SPEAKER_07:You did that. We hired a beat. And we went and they let you in? And we we hired a camera guy, and we said that we were designers for a company, for a company named Clador. It's amazing. Footage is amazing. It was claded. Clothing. Right. Clador. And we got pressed. That character was always in me.
SPEAKER_05:Okay. So that character was not born then. It was like it was in an old video somewhere that I had seen, and he had the clothes hanging in the closet. And so we're stuck in the house in COVID, and all of a sudden he like starts making this character. And I started filming it on my iPhone, and I've looked back at those videos recently, and they're not particularly like well edited or anything. I just was like putting pictures of thing, and then the Tiger King one. The Tiger King. I was just like playing on my phone on the couch doing these videos.
SPEAKER_07:But I have to tell you something. So, okay, so I'm I'm on this side of the desk, he's on the other, and I'm dressed in the full yoli, and um with the pace and the hat, and I would be like, okay, so this is the topic I'm gonna talk about today, and I would go, and then he he would direct me, go, no. He'd tell me like he would do the thumb.
SPEAKER_05:He would be the most called Uber now, we'll make it the GSA faster.
SPEAKER_07:And then you would tell me and give a fucklaze at the end.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, by the way, I do steal another line from from that from the Y only reviews the crown. Yeah. There's one line I use all the time. So the the at the near the end, you're talking about how they they're hunting and they throw it up in the air and they go, this and that. And then and then you pause and you go, Got him. I use that all the time.
SPEAKER_05:So what happened was people like you and and thousands of other people, because you also saw near, I'm assuming, the other character, maybe? No? Israeli guy. So one was Yoily, one was near the Novidal Israeli. And uh they took on this life of their own, and you were doing cameos as them, and people were stopping on the street, and I was realizing oh, people think that these are real people, that you are this person, right? And it's a branding issue because like we're just stuck in the house because of COVID now, but when when this is over, you're going on tour and you like have stand-up just stick as the cell. Right. And so I killed it a little bit.
SPEAKER_07:Also, what happened to your what when I got dressed up as early and I'd be in the apartment, I'd stay in your and be like, I would just stay in the Agatha M Listen. I was like, you have got to stop. And like this is not what I signed up for. Hasidic man. Get out! He said, get out of drag.
unknown:Get out of drag.
SPEAKER_05:No, imagine I'm sitting in the house and I turn around and there's like a full Hasidic man standing in the kitchen, and I'm like, this is cute when we're filming, but like when we're not filming, it's a little unsettling.
SPEAKER_07:So I need you to like well, we should bring back Yoily and near, yeah, near the the character. Yeah. That's so funny. People have really bonded to Yoily. I think we should bring it back. I'm gonna start to bring it back a little bit.
SPEAKER_05:No, because I I'm okay to bring them back now just because when I was watching it, like I said, it's not it was not high quality. It was like on my phone. It was like really cobbled together. I was sitting on my couch making them, and then they like went viral. And now I feel like if I have to do if we're gonna do them again, I have to do like I have to get a little bit better.
SPEAKER_07:But we had the flags. Production we ordered the flags, you know. Secretary of Simpson Productive Simpson, and then also YNN, ULE News Network. Right.
SPEAKER_05:And then But the fact that they were kind of lo-fi kind of made them feel real. Like it was someone in Brooklyn in their basement. Why?
SPEAKER_01:Because he would show it to everybody he knew. The same way he was telling everyone the world's falling down. For yeah, he's like, You gotta see Yoli.
SPEAKER_04:Everybody I know, you gotta see Yoli.
SPEAKER_07:Oh my god. Okay, we need to start wrapping this up. But um, yeah.
SPEAKER_05:We actually have this, yeah, we have time.
SPEAKER_07:You took a next one. Oh. We didn't know if you were gonna be one of those guys who shows up late and just says like No, not like that.
SPEAKER_05:You're like We're the same way, we're early for everything.
SPEAKER_04:Every for everything. Look, it's probably just a podcast. You gotta be on time. Yeah. It's polite. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I always say you can be early or late, you can't be on time. So you gotta pick.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, early or early.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, nobody's at high on time.
SPEAKER_05:No, to me, on time is late.
SPEAKER_01:I mean on time is very important. On time is late.
SPEAKER_05:And then if you're five minutes early, you're on time.
SPEAKER_01:Exactly.
SPEAKER_05:Right. Yeah. So but that's how we function. That was mostly because I have anxiety.
SPEAKER_07:But yeah, we doesn't get to the airport. What's your sign? Cancer. Cancer.
SPEAKER_01:I'm sorry. Funny. Cancer. Cancer. And yours? Scorpio.
SPEAKER_07:Scorpio.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I know. Wow.
SPEAKER_07:Scary. Wow. Yeah. You better listen to her. Oh, believe me. You better listen to her. I totally. Wait, what's your sign? I'm a Taurus in the I'm a Taurus in the Gregarian calendar, but an Aries in the Jewish calendar. Interesting. Interesting. Yeah. Libra. He just had a birthday. September 24th. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:It was fun.
SPEAKER_07:Did you always come? No, you already did that coming. What what's your what what what what what's your good time? What's your favorite thing to do?
SPEAKER_01:Personally or together a couple? Watch a good TV show.
SPEAKER_07:You do. Yeah. If you can find one.
SPEAKER_01:No, he's it actually. I can find a dissertation.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, oh, so t dish. What are you watching right now?
SPEAKER_04:Oh well, you know what I'm going to do? I'll send you the Steve Eisman list. There's a list. You have a list? 50 names of streaming series.
SPEAKER_05:Do you have like rating systems?
SPEAKER_04:I I only divide it into like two categories for those who like violence and for those who don't like violence.
SPEAKER_05:No, but we do not like violence.
SPEAKER_00:So that's my side of the list.
SPEAKER_04:So I got 70 shows. That's so efficient. 70 shows.
SPEAKER_05:Wait, we just finished House of Guinness. We loved it.
SPEAKER_04:Oh yeah, I was about to start. I heard it would go watch that.
SPEAKER_05:It's just enough violence. It's not really violent.
SPEAKER_04:Did you ever watch uh Drops of God?
unknown:No.
SPEAKER_01:Oh and the Vineyard. You guys were talking about the Vineyard. You would love Drops of God.
SPEAKER_04:It's a drama about wine. That's all I'll say. That's all you need. That's all you need.
SPEAKER_07:All you need really to 100% truth. All you need is a little fashion, a little Holocaust, a little World War II. That's all you really need to make anything good. A few Nazis. A few.
SPEAKER_05:That was literally that show about Dior.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, this is the show. Have you ever watched any show on High Flicks? Nobody's heard of the stream. It's a streaming service. It's a streaming service from Israel. You should subscribe to it for just like a short period of time for one show. It's called The New Black. It's about the yeshiva world. Okay. And you love it. You loved it. It was great. And the third season just started.
SPEAKER_05:So you love being at home in your nest with the watching a movie. That does. That does sometimes when we're home.
SPEAKER_07:So we're either full either.
SPEAKER_05:We're either in a delta lounge. In a delta lounge. Backstage in a green room.
SPEAKER_07:Which is my favorite place in the world.
SPEAKER_05:My least favorite place in the world. You love a delta.
SPEAKER_07:I love a little bit of a room. The Delta Lounge or the Green Room? We travel. We travel. Of course you do. And I and there's nothing, nothing I could be happier more than traveling to shows, doing shows, green room hotels. And it's because there's zero stress on my life.
SPEAKER_01:I get it.
SPEAKER_07:He's got everything organized. We show up, there's some guy standing there with a sign saying Modi, and then every Indian standing next to him. I was about to say every on one side is like, where's the prime minister? There's Indians looking to see what Modi's coming. And on the other side, you see Orthodox Jews going, Modi's gonna be coming? So there's that's organized. Well, I've been putting my name on the side lately, but then the hotels are set up, and then when we get to the green room, these massive theaters, and everybody's looking for him because of the advance, and I just walk in, huh? They have my Celsius in the green room. I couldn't be happier. Um so for me, it's just uh it's heaven. And I walk on stage, but he's got all the strands. He's got all the stress.
SPEAKER_01:You're carrying the bags, quite literally.
SPEAKER_07:Um, yeah. You gotta make the sure the train runs. Yeah. Yes. I just I just he just kicks me on go be funny. And um, but but so he he's so we he loves to also like we also just just just like in the house watching House of Guinness or whatever we're about to watch from your list.
SPEAKER_05:We just bought a house in Connecticut, and all we do, well all we do really when we're up there is like sleep really late because it's so quiet and watch movies and like cozy up.
SPEAKER_07:But then the other side of us is like we can just we're gonna go hard. We can go like for 72 hours. Let's just send it down to a rave.
SPEAKER_05:To like a basement somewhere in a warehouse at Brooklyn. Oh my god. Okay, that sounds like fun.
SPEAKER_01:Can I come?
SPEAKER_02:Yes.
SPEAKER_01:One of my Israeli speakers, one of the survivors of Nova, he like he was at he was at Nova, right? Yeah. And and he said, I'll make a deal with you. He said, I'll do this with you. I'll go to all these churches in the southeast, you're coming to a rave. And I said, I'm you gone yet? No, not yet. I have to go to a rave, but he wants to go to a rave. We'll take you. Okay.
SPEAKER_05:There's some good music and you don't have to schluck to Israel to go to the wave.
SPEAKER_01:No, no, we were going to Europe somewhere, he and I. But I I'll go.
SPEAKER_07:Right over the bridge, there's a warehouse, a good DJ. And you'll see Yeah, and he's like, do not like nothing. He's like, don't invite me to sprint the TV.
SPEAKER_02:I'm in.
SPEAKER_07:No, but we don't watch violent shows because we take our sleeping pill right before we watch the TV. And and I don't like gore, I don't like blood. Yeah, and loud and loud because you can't sleep at the time. It's also not good for your psyche. Yeah. It's not good for your psyche. I can't watch Fouda. I can't watch these shows. Fouda's fantastic and petrifying. It's petrifying. I can't.
SPEAKER_01:So this guy, the one who wants me to go to a rave, he actually would go on he was a Fouda. That's what he was. That was just that was just the wall. And I'm like, tell him, like, is Fouda real? And he said, it's worse. It's worse.
SPEAKER_06:Oh gosh. Yeah, which I don't need to see. House of Guinness. Irish people making beer. Thank you, God. That's all we need. That's all we need. That's all you need.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah. We watched Tex in the City again. And if there's nothing to watch. Yeah. The Chatchilla from the beginning, you watch the crown.
unknown:From the beginning.
SPEAKER_07:Episode one, season one. The crown. Oh, and then I walk around the house. I feel that way about the West Wing.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, he goes back to the show.
SPEAKER_05:We should try that again. I did that in I watched that a lot in college. It was really good. They invented the walk and talking Sorkin. Yeah. Yeah. Sorkin? Sorkin.
SPEAKER_04:The other one that I watched many times was uh Friday Night Lights.
SPEAKER_05:The football? Football. Yeah, Murray's not a big sportsy guy.
SPEAKER_04:Moving on.
SPEAKER_07:By the way, I've asked everything. Well, the only question I had left was, and this is a question is like so in the Talmud it talks about comedians. And um and people who are comedians have a chalik and ulam habah. They have a section in the world to come. That means if you're a comedian, you do it right, but you don't have to come back to this world. You don't have to come back and deal with traffic and take SATs again and and hire lawyers and pay taxes, and you're done. You're done with this world and you move on to the world to come. So what what I'm sure this philanthropic things like this church being to be able to judge what else are you doing for your olamhaba, for your world to come? That's a good that's my new question to be asking.
SPEAKER_05:Raising awareness for breast cancer, obviously. Yeah, doing that. I could save someone's life listening to this today.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. Yeah. That's a big thing that we're doing. Good.
SPEAKER_01:What else do you got?
SPEAKER_04:No, that's a good idea. We got things that are something else. We have um Canary Mission, but you can't talk about it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, there's that.
SPEAKER_05:Um, so stuff we stuff in in the pipeline we can't talk about.
SPEAKER_01:I think your podcast is raising awareness and financial literacy. I really believe in financial literacy for women because I think that women just are afraid to say they actually don't know. And I worked on Wall Street for six years. I was at Lehman and JP Morgan. So what happened was Steven said, We're both lawyers. And he said, you know what?
SPEAKER_05:We could make it both also lawyers who were both lawyers.
SPEAKER_01:And he says, we can make real money. And I'm like, okay, how do we do that? He says, we go to Wall Street and we become stock analysts.
SPEAKER_05:And I'm like, Wait, and how old were you both when this conversation was in my 20s?
SPEAKER_04:No, no, no. We were like 27.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, okay. So I'm like, okay, let's go to Wall Street.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. And I was a lawyer.
SPEAKER_01:And then we were both old. I'm a tax lawyer. So I was a tax lawyer at a big Wall Street firm at a big firm. And he's at a big firm. He's like, I hate the law. I didn't mind the law, but he's like real money. And I said, okay, let's make real money. Speaking of making money. So then he said, We're gonna become stock analysts. So I said What's that? So I said, okay, what's that? So then it turned out my brother was dating this woman who was a stock analyst. She said, I'm gonna help you get a job. It turned out that it was in 1989, um, it was right around then, 1990, and there's a recession. So they were firing everyone, and they needed one person to come in to be an assistant. And I read all the research, I memorized it, I went into this job, I knew nothing about anything, and I got the job. So now I had to show up at Liam and Brothers stock research department as an assistant to three analysts and actually support them. I didn't sleep a wink for three months. I was stressed off of my I can't even imagine. And he's doing the same thing. He was a stock analyst, and that was the beginning of my financial literacy. Studied CFA, so I had a law degree now. I'm studying, and then and I just start layer layering on all this information.
SPEAKER_07:No, I'm not that dumb. I'm not I'm how do we luckily I learned enough to like to handle our you know, yeah, but that's a lot.
SPEAKER_01:That's a lot.
SPEAKER_07:So much more than anybody else.
SPEAKER_05:That's really impressive. So if you had to pick, I don't know, I don't want to put you on the spot, like one or two or three books, like a woman listening to this being like, oh my God, I actually I'm not financially literate, where would you be a starting point besides listening to the podcast?
SPEAKER_01:So I don't right, besides the podcast, of course. I think I don't know about particular books, but I would say understand how to get into the stock market, because if you've earned even$10,000 extra and you want to put it somewhere and you're young, you should be investing it. Should not be afraid to invest a little bit of money at a time, and and don't be afraid. And then that's number one. Number two, I always say don't marry somebody you can't divorce. And what I mean by that is getting married. I was also a divorce attorney. Don't ask. Getting married.
SPEAKER_00:She's done it all.
SPEAKER_07:She really has. I knew Fagan was the same.
SPEAKER_01:And I ran a clothing store, so I happen to like fashion too.
SPEAKER_07:Oh, wow.
SPEAKER_05:And I do find fashion too is really boring.
SPEAKER_01:I know. So we we will maybe at the brave.
SPEAKER_05:That's water. We drink water.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, you have to.
SPEAKER_05:You have to.
SPEAKER_01:So I think that it's uh be able to invest. I think you're if you're gonna get married, and you really have to understand marriage, and you have to understand that that there's there's all kinds of legal and there's all kinds of financial things that go with that. And you should have financial literacy. You should be able to earn an income. I don't care if you're the non-earning spouse, make sure you can always earn an income. You stop existing as a person if you don't earn an income. So those just find books about that financial literacy, and maybe we'll talk about it on our podcast.
SPEAKER_06:That's such an important thing. It's so great.
SPEAKER_01:It's just Wow.
SPEAKER_05:That way, yeah, you should definitely talk about on the podcast. Definitely. We have to do that. We're trying to figure out.
SPEAKER_07:What are you gonna talk about on the podcast if not that?
SPEAKER_01:I this is I mean.
SPEAKER_07:How many episodes in are you now?
SPEAKER_01:We just started this.
SPEAKER_04:We started in the first week of April.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah. Oh, yeah. So I caught, I caught, I caught two or three. They were great. Oh, thank you. They were great. Um, the the one where you discussed your entire thing with the movie. So I like it.
SPEAKER_04:That was that's no, that's done really well. It was so good.
SPEAKER_07:It was so good.
SPEAKER_05:It's cool how you had the um the reporter come in to interview you for that. Yeah, Melissa Lynn. Yeah, the format. Yes.
SPEAKER_04:She interviewed you for the first time. Oh, is that the one that you're talking about? Also, the there was one recently that we did which has gone crazy where um I actually go through the movies almost scene by scene and tell you what's what's what's true, what's not true.
SPEAKER_07:That's fun. That was a lot of fun. We should we watch the movie and then listen to the director's commentary, right?
SPEAKER_05:It's kind of like that.
SPEAKER_01:And there's so much stuff that still can be talked about. Adam McKay was in our living room talking about who's gonna play us. And and just to throw Stephen. It's so crazy. But to throw Stephen completely under the bus. And it's like, well, I really well, who did you want to play?
SPEAKER_04:No, no. What happened was Adam McKay calls me, you know, he was he he wrote the script and directed the movie. And he calls me up. He's telling me he was gonna make the movie. And I was like, yeah, yeah, sure. You know. And then he says, No, no, we're really gonna make it. And there's he said there's a strong possibility that Brad Pitt's gonna play you. Stop. I swear. And I said, Yeah. I said, listen. The only thing Brad Pitt and I have in common is we both have really good hair. That's it. And then it turned out that Brad Pitt could not blame me for scheduling conflict.
SPEAKER_05:Do you want to know something though? I've I'm gonna say this. This is a safe space. I've always found something very attractive about Steve Carell.
SPEAKER_01:Oh my god. So Steve Carell was in our link.
SPEAKER_05:I think he's handsome. I think he's a good looking.
SPEAKER_01:You have no idea.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, maybe okay, Brad Pitt is Brad Pitt, but like No, Steve Carell.
SPEAKER_01:He's the whole thing.
SPEAKER_05:They could have done you work.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, he would do an amazing job.
SPEAKER_05:No, not I'm not talking about acting-wise.
SPEAKER_01:I'm just talking about because he plays these sort of nerdy guys, but in real in real life, he he's not my dog. Literally made a beeline for his laugh.
SPEAKER_05:That's a good sign. That's a good sign. That's a good sign. What kind of dogs do you have? That was a shit.
SPEAKER_01:He is a shih tzu bee, Sean. It's corduroy.
SPEAKER_05:Cute.
SPEAKER_07:Shine. So plug plug away websites, Instagram. Which is his camera, which is his camera.
SPEAKER_04:So the name of the podcast is The Real Eisman Playbook, and the website is RealizmanPlaybook.com.
SPEAKER_05:And where can they find you? Are you on Instagram or anything like that? Everything. Or on everything. TikTok Instagram. I'll link it all in the description of the bio. Thank you. Thank you. Of the episode. Thank you. Do you want to do some shows real quick? Just some plugs and shows? Absolutely.
SPEAKER_04:Can I tell a joke? Please. Please do. Thank you. So I just want to tell you when I would tell your joke to the pastors, I would follow up with a joke of mine. It was like it was like a double whammy. Okay. So the joke I I would always tell is uh Orthodox Jewish man has a son, sends him to Orthodox yeshiva. The kid's a terrible discipline problem, the kid gets expelled. Sends him to conservative Jewish day school, he gets expelled. Sends him to Reformed Jewish day school, he gets expelled. So finally, they have a choice. He sends him to the New York public school. And even if the kids are so bad, he gets expelled. So finally, as a joke, father sends his son wearing his yarmulk to the neighborhood Catholic school. Kid's an immediate model student. Immediate. Jesuit teachers love him, they're popular with the students, he starts to get straight A's. Father keeps his mouth shut for six months. So finally, after six months, the father can't stand anymore. He takes his son aside. He says, Son, you have to explain this to me. I send you to every Jewish day school in New York metropolitan area. You get expelled. I send you to New York public school, you get expelled. But I send you to Catholic school. For God's sake, Catholic school. And you're a model student. What happened? So the son says, Well dad, to tell you the truth, the first day I go to Catholic school, I walk in the building, I look up, I see this Jewish guy nailed to a cross. I figure that's what they do here to all the Jews who are disciplined problems.
SPEAKER_05:I was good. You kind of have something similar in your hour now about that.
SPEAKER_07:But I have uh but I I was thinking he was running a Yamak, and they thought he was the one. I was thinking of Yamaka. That's where I was. Oh my god, it's so funny, so fun. It's funny. I have a funny, I have a very funny bit about Jesus in the cross.
SPEAKER_05:And where can they come here the funny bit?
SPEAKER_04:Folks.
SPEAKER_07:Yes. Bli Ainara, we are going on the road. We are we we just okay, so there's two shows. But let me do the ones I know for sure.
SPEAKER_05:Okay.
SPEAKER_07:Miami. Miami, Miami. Every time we post that we are somewhere, you always say, When are you coming to Miami? We're coming to do the improv in uh November 5th and 6th. And then right to Syracuse for 7th and 8th. Yep. Um working out the hour that and and change that we have for the taping, which is in Atlanta, December 10th and 11th. We're taping the special. If you need a trip to Atlanta, this is an amazing region. There's a few tickets left. We also have shows in Seattle where we're adding a show. We're in San Francisco. We're gonna be Vancouver. Vancouver.
SPEAKER_05:That's the West Coast. Vienna, Amsterdam, Berlin, Paris, uh, Chicago and LA for the Big Deal Comedy Show with Elon Gold and Michael Rappaport. Ah, Elon Gold. Also, fans of the podcast, on October 22nd, we're doing a live podcast taping with Deborah Messing at the 92nd Street Y. Those tickets sold out immediately, but you can register by making a donation to the 92nd Street Y, you'll have access to the live stream, and it will also give you like 48 after hours after the live uh stream to watch it on your own time as well. All that money goes to the 92nd Street Y. Um, that's gonna be a really fun event. And um, we have a sign-up uh link on your website for New York City on April 23rd for a certain big show coming up.
SPEAKER_07:April 30th. We're not we're not we're not gonna talk about it, but we are gonna be at Radio City Music Hall. No! Yeah, no, yeah, solo show, Modi's biggest solo show to date anywhere. And it's gonna be insane.
SPEAKER_00:It's huge! April 23rd.
SPEAKER_07:Full machine of tickets. The beacon was big. Yeah, and this is this is bigger.
SPEAKER_05:So we did three beacons, yeah. So that equals one radio city. Really?
SPEAKER_07:And the tickets go on sale on uh October 28th.
SPEAKER_05:So then there's a pre-sale October 28th going into a general on sale. So if you want to know when those tickets go on sale, because you people always message me and DM me, I miss the tickets, they're sold out. Sign up for the the link that's on the website now, and as soon as those go on sale, you'll get an email directly to you, and you can get your tickets.
SPEAKER_07:This is and this is you're gonna be hearing this episode after Kul Nidre uh services, which is tonight. And I wish everybody for real an amazing happy new year full of Mashiach energy. We're living in a messianic time, so create mashiach energy.