Success and Empowerment with Jenn Cassetta

We at the Business Serum are so excited to have Jenn Cassetta for this week’s episode! Jenn has proven herself to be a kick-*ss woman in all areas of her life. She is a 3rd-degree black belt in HapKiDo with a master’s degree in nutrition, and an NLP certified health coach with 20 years of experience. 

Today’s conversation starts with Jenn and Laura Lee sharing their survivor’s stories on dark day in American history: 9/11. From this, Jenn talks about how she used martial arts as a way to take back control over her life and rise from those ashes to the warrior she is today. Over the course of ten years, she went from working in a bar at night to becoming a personal trainer with one client to having a roster of clients from all walks of life. 

After a relationship ended, Jenn moved from New York to LA on a leap of faith and a year’s worth of savings. Once she arrived, she started her entire business over from scratch. She made contacts, networked, took consulting gigs, and even started her own self-defense program: Stilettos and Self-Defense. Her self-defense program gained popularity which landed her on shows like the Today Show and the Rachael Ray Show. 

Jenn talks about the importance of self-defense and why everyone should take at least one class. She talks about overcoming burnout and cultivating a mindfulness practice with meditation and breathwork. Jenn also gives us an inside look into some new upcoming projects.

Here's what you'll learn:

• Jenn shares the benefits of martial arts and how it saved her life. 
• Why is self-defense so important to talk about?
• What exactly is burnout, and what causes it?
• How can you use meditation and breathwork to build resilience?
• Learn how to start an active meditation practice.

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Transcript

Laura Lee Botsacos  0:02  

Hi, everyone, I'm Laura Lee Botsacos founder and CO creator of Apollo and Artemis Beauty by equality. And you are listening to the business serum podcast, where I'll bring you stories of people who have impacted the world through their unique business experiences, and how they have utilized their past and excavated their own life story to master the art of the ever changing sales strategy, beginning with themselves, because if you can close yourself on you, you can close yourself on anyone. Hi, Jenn. Hi. So there's I'm not even really sure where to begin with you. First of all, I just want to say that I think it's so amazing that you as a woman are this force to be reckoned with. So why don't you talk a little bit about your background? Let's start because I'm reading your bio. And I love that you are a third degree black belt and is it hotkuto?

Jenn Cassetta  0:57  

That's correct. 

Laura Lee Botsacos  0:58  

talk to me a little bit about that, and how ultimately, you got into self defense?

Jenn Cassetta  1:02  

Yeah, I know, it sounds random at first. But it really is the one thing that probably shaped my career, my life, my leadership skills, you name it. Yeah, I wandered into a Dojo in New York City, back in 2000. I mean, it's not super random. My father had been doing martial arts for many years, and was always encouraging me to do it. And at the time in high school, I was like, No way. But then two years out of college living in the city by yourself, I was just like, oh, maybe, maybe it will be fun. You know, maybe it's more like exercise to get fit. And I want to completely fall in love with it. Like, to the point where I was almost like obsessed

Laura Lee Botsacos  1:49  

What about it did you fall in love with? I mean, like so for instance, you know, because when I think of it right, as a novice or somebody that's completely green on the outside, I think Well, is it because it makes you feel powerful? Is it that visceral connection to your body? Or there's because to me that You know, first of all, I mean, we'll get into that. Second, the concept of martial arts is, in and of itself, something I think, really unique. I don't think people really understand it as much as we probably should. But what aspect of it did you fall in love with?

Jenn Cassetta  2:18  

Yes, yes. And yes, all the things that you mentioned, the fact that it was a mind body spirit approach to fitness to well being because so I'll tell a quick story, but a year into my training. I almost died on September 11. So the morning of I know, it's quite a quite a story. Yeah, I'll get into it. So I showed up to work, got out of the subway at Wall Street, looked up, and there was black smoke coming out of the World Trade Centers. So they had not yet fallen. And I had no idea what was going on. But I made it you know, in pure chaos to the place that I was working at at the time, I was doing event marketing for an event space in this beautiful building just three blocks south of the World Trade Center. So when I got there, obviously I could tell something was wrong. But the doorman wouldn't let me up to the building. So to make a long story short, because a lot of it is even still blurry. But I remember him saying, Well, you can use the phone in the lobby, because the cell phones route, you know, services out. And I went in to make a call to call my mom. And within seconds, the first tower fell. And all these people swarmed the lobby, to for shelter running from the rubble. So I got pushed into this utility closet with a bunch of strangers. For the first time, I felt utter panic, like traumatic fear, and my body froze, I couldn't move, I just cried. And this woman, of course, this amazing woman, like came over to me, because all these other people were just staring, she shook me by the shoulders and asked me my name. And I said, Jen, and she said, You and I were going to get out of here this morning. So we got kicked out of that building and roughly you know, running through the ash in the rubble and you know, from building building looking for shelter together, we finally got to one other building, but then the second tower fell, so we kicked out of there. And finally, to bring this full circle, I took Mansi to the martial art school that I've been training at. So this kind of metaphor of that day feeling safe for the very first time. You know, being able to breathe again and relax and regulate my nervous system and you know, wash the sweat off my body and all of that became this really big metaphor for my life going forward. All I wanted to do in those months afterwards was go to that dojo and that was like the almost addictive thing like shutting off the world. Stepping onto the mat connecting with my mind, my body, my spirit, starting to feel physically stronger, which made me feel mentally stronger, which made me feel spiritually more grounded because of all the, you know, the meditations and other things that we're doing, not just the fighting. So that's, that's part of my story in a nutshell.

Laura Lee Botsacos  5:19  

I don't even have to say, first of all, there's so many things I want to comment on. But, you know, you and I have known each other for a bit now. And we've been involved in some female, some women's organizations. And I don't know why we've never discussed this, but I'm like, now I'm going to get emotional. I, too, fought for my life that day. Yeah, that's crazy. I was the first residential building to be evacuated. So I was on the 35th floor. I watched the planes go in, I can't really it's it's it's a lot I watched. The same thing ran for my life. And by the grace of building, I was in a building called Gateway, Gateway Plaza, it was theirs. Same thing. There's like, I can talk to people about it, and I can relive it. And you know, maybe one day, that's something that you and I would do, interestingly enough, just a little sidebar, I'm in the process of writing, like a one woman show about it. Because Oh, yeah. called the Phoenix actually, because I never realized how much it impacted me as clearly as it impacted you. Yeah. And then in some odd way, you know, I've never felt like talking about it. Because, you know, I wasn't, you know, a firefighter or a police officer, or one of the brave individuals that went in to save the lives or, or somebody you know, that was actually, if there's so many things that are a victim of the actual experience. Whether Yeah, so because I know so many people that suffered directly and indirectly, on that horrific day. So that's, like, so fascinating how, I don't know. So this is what I find fascinating, that, you know, everything kind of comes out for a reason, at the right time, correct.

Jenn Cassetta  7:01  

100%. And I didn't realize that it had such an impact on my life, either until I did this public speaking seminar up north about six years ago. And you know, we did this exercise where it was like, Okay, write down traumatic things that have happened in your life, and then connect the dots and figure out what your story is. I mean, obviously, it was more involved, but I remember thinking like, nothing's really happening. Like, I had a really easy childhood, and I'm just really blessed and fortunate. And then I was like, Oh, my God, but I almost died.

Laura Lee Botsacos  7:35  

I realize now in retrospect, and this, I think, is a really great way to segue into more about you and what you do that I definitely had PTSD. I never even thought PTSD was something that I mean, veteran. Yep, just gonna say that excuse the superficiality of it, right? You're in war, you come home, you don't get the attention. You need, boom, you have PTSD. I realize now in retrospect, I think I was in PTSD, probably for a good two to three years. Because there is a chunk of time where I remember things, and there's things that slowly come back, but then from but then there's honestly like, I lost like, two years. Yeah,

Jenn Cassetta  8:16  

I get it .  I know, looking back that martial art saved me from being any more serious than it was like, it really helped heal

Laura Lee Botsacos  8:26  

I love that. And so when we talk about so first of all, I'm you know, that's we'll continue this conversation, because it's because, you know, we can't be the only two women that just found this out about each other. Perhaps, you know, I'm sure that there's sadly multiple people that would like to speak. But that notwithstanding, yes, so martial arts, it comes to you into your life at this very, you know, it's and to use the word saved you that's pretty, that's pretty big. That's really that's very, very visceral. So I think sometimes, as a novice, we have the concept that martial arts like, you know, teaches you to avoid confrontation. Is that true? Yes.

Jenn Cassetta  9:03  

Absolutely. The art of not fighting you might hear in different circles. You know, there's traditional martial arts, like when I did and now there's this whole MMA thing today that is different. That is not art. That's sport. So I don't I don't relate to that stuff. That's just not what I was trained in.

Laura Lee Botsacos  9:21  

No, I understand. So as a woman, you know, there's so much going on. So how do you think it affected you differently being I mean, being a woman in that genre? 

Jenn Cassetta  9:33  

For sure. I mean, luckily, the school that I was at, they're now in Brooklyn, called World Martial Arts Center. We were downtown Manhattan at the time and had so many female role models, they're like black belts already, looking up to when I was just a lowly white belt. So I had these amazing role models that I would be like, Oh my God, she's so badass. It's so fierce, I just want to be like that. I'm just really lucky that I had that I know not every school is like that and I know, but it it gave me the the confidence to really go for it and to teach and then to kind of put my own mark on it later on,

Laura Lee Botsacos  10:10  

That's what's gonna say because then you then it becomes your platform for creating this whole badass story, which is amazing. And you know, and I mean, I love it. I love it. I think it's astonishing, because, you know, I don't think when people and I don't mean this in a negative way, but I don't think that when people look at you, and they see you, they're gonna believe how fierce you really are. Does that make sense?

Jenn Cassetta  10:32  

Of course, yeah, no, I get it. If I see, you know,

Laura Lee Botsacos  10:35  

I get it. And I mean, that I mean, that in a great way is what I may not have. Yeah, you know, I love to talk on business serum about how we take all these, for instance, this horrific event that happened, we take all these different pieces of who we are, and that kind of like we put this big, gigantic jigsaw puzzle together. And then unbeknownst to us, we almost just kind of like the universe almost kind of creates this career for you if you follow it and faith. So prior to all of that, can you tell us a little bit about what others? Because I know there's so many different pieces to you. But you know, how, what brings you to this point.

Jenn Cassetta  11:09  

I mean, it's been a 21 year journey. Now, as you know, the 20th anniversary of 911 is coming up. So I started martial arts a year before that. So after 9/11, like I said, all I wanted to do was be in that dojo, and I didn't have the job. So I was bartending at night to pay the bills till four in the morning. Eat egg and cheese and like, pass out and like dragged myself out of bed. I mean, it was a horrible, you know, unhealthy lifestyle. Let's put it that way. It was a lot of fun. Of course, it wasn't sustainable. And I thought, well, what can I do? So I became a personal trainer, I leaned into the martial arts as much as I could and took that into my personal training practice. I started a practice in downtown Manhattan, one private client led from one to another to another, and I was in these, you know, training people at the Ritz Carlton. Unbelievable. Yeah, it was just so fun. I was young, and like, in the company of really successful people. So it was inspiring, and, you know, you get like, you get to be in people's homes. And I was just always fascinated by it.

Laura Lee Botsacos  12:17  

I think it's, I think it's a gift because it's almost like somebody was knocking on your door going like, hello, like, we're gonna put you at a certain, you know, like, this is going to help you. Ultimately, it's like a visual goal. And this wasn't what I'm trying to say.

Jenn Cassetta  12:30  

And then I added the health coaching certification, then I went back to school to get a master's degree in nutrition. And all of that was about a 10 year period in New York. And then long story short, there's a tattoo of it in my book that's coming up. a terrible breakup led me to coming out to LA and just hanging out here and, and getting the vibe and being like, Oh, wow, that feels really It feels really good out here to me. So I saved up money for a year and came out here. No clients, you know, barely any connections and started from scratch again.

Laura Lee Botsacos  13:04  

Wasn't there a piece of you? That's why am I doing this to myself? Like sometimes, I often laugh and I say things like, you know, they're days. I'm like, you know, you know, you didn't want to trust your gut. You want to trust God, you want to trust the universe, whatever word you want to use. And then sometimes, like, they take this hard left, and you're like, Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, I was just starting to get comfortable. So that's so like, you know, cuz you want faith? That's faith?

Jenn Cassetta  13:30  

Yes. Right. 100% i But it worked. I mean, you know, yeah, it was a slow, slow burn. But I made contacts, I did tons of networking and wound up, you know, consulting for different companies and doing bigger projects than just the one to one training. Fast forward a few years, I did lots of media, I got lots of media coverage. With the stiletto. My self defense at the time was called stilettos and self defense. Love it. Love it. So the news thought I was like beating people up with stilettos, which was not the case. It was just like a name, the marketing, you know, behind it. So I got on the Today Show and Rachael Ray and Marie Osmond had a show and all these different fun things. But at the end of the day, the reason why I still teach these classes, even though I'm doing other speaking gigs, too. It's just, it just feels too important to not do it anymore. Especially if you look at any of the statistics of sexual assault or the crime that's going on in the world today.

Laura Lee Botsacos  14:29  

Yes, yeah. So unfortunately, let's talk a little bit about that, right, because unfortunately, most women, and I'm not saying that men are not but unfortunately still women tend to fall prey to the hands of predators and are really our victims. So let's talk a little bit about the statistics because in my past life, one of the other things that I did was I sat on a board for a women's shelter, and yeah, and I took training, that's a whole whole whole world. But talk to me a little bit about the statistics because I think it's important

Jenn Cassetta  15:00  

Well, yeah, most of them average out to about one in five women in the US will be the victim of some kind of sexual assault globally. That's one in three. But anyone you talk to in this world kind of knows that most, most assaults go unreported. Numbers are actually got to be higher than that worse.are probably worse.

Laura Lee Botsacos  15:21  

There's so many things I want to talk to you about, especially now I feel like there's so much heaviness going on, do women come to you? Like, do they seek you out? Do they come to you just learning hey, I want to learn martial arts. And then slowly but surely, as they begin to excavate, you know, their soul through this process, they realize, Oh, my God, crap, I actually was the victim. Do you find that?

Jenn Cassetta  15:43  

Yes, except, you know, in the last few years, I'm more b2b than b2c. So I, you know, I don't really train people one on one until one anymore. But companies, women's ERGs, within large companies have been coming to me recently, over the last three, four months, there've been a lot of Asian American API ERGs coming to me, and for those of you who don't, it's just an employee resource group within an organization. So it's a lot of those people reaching out on behalf of a larger group.

Laura Lee Botsacos  16:13  

Right. So I suppose that that in and of itself must be interesting, because going from a personal overview to something, you know, more of a macrocosm. That's got to be how do you adjust to that

Jenn Cassetta  16:24  

Um, I've been doing it for so long, so I don't I don't know. But the biggest adjustment this year has been doing it virtually, I never in a million years would have thought that that would be an option.

Laura Lee Botsacos  16:36  

Right? Right. How are you doing that?

Jenn Cassetta  16:38  

I get on my zoom, I'm in my living room, I move the couch. I propped myself up, and everyone is on their cameras, and we're literally doing it together. That's amazing. Yeah, like hundreds, sometimes hundreds of people

Laura Lee Botsacos  16:53  

in some weird way, I would think that you could actually reach a larger audience, or is that not necessarily true? 

Jenn Cassetta  17:00  

 Well, yesterday, I had 600 over 600 people on  a call. Yeah, that was more holistic wellness, talking about preventing burnout. But on some of the biggest self defense ones, I would say there's been like, 250 people on a zoom at one time.

Laura Lee Botsacos  17:17  

That's amazing. So would you recommend that most people go out and just try a self defense class at some point in their life? Yeah,

Jenn Cassetta  17:22  

we're a big believer, something just, you know, enhanced as your awareness. Right? Because it's all of a sudden, you're really thinking about it, you're in your body going like, Oh, right. Like, if I'm on the street, or in the subway, or, or just even in my own home, like things can happen. They happen all the time. So do I know how to protect myself? And the answer's no.

Laura Lee Botsacos  17:46  

And also, it's to use your terminology from earlier, one of the things that I've noticed is learning how to stay calm in the center of the storm, which is really, really hard, because you have to think rationally and clearly, and when you're being when you know, it will construct it. But when you're either being attacked, or when that adrenaline is, you know, you know coursing through your veins, it's hard to keep that self so I could see how that would be very centered. So, okay, so let's talk a little bit about burnout.

Jenn Cassetta  18:18  

After this year, yes.

Laura Lee Botsacos  18:19  

See, this is so strange, because I was talking to somebody else about this recently. And they're like, Yeah, burnout is like a huge issue because of, you know, what just transpired, and I'm like, Yeah, but then But the flip side of it, it's like people who are working from their, in their sweatpants, right, you know, with their dogs on, I mean, so really, how burned out can we be, but I would love for you to give me a little bit of insight on that.

Jenn Cassetta  18:39  

Um, just from what I've, you know, been reading and learning, I think in the beginning of it, especially, there's something and I can't remember the exact terms, but in the brain of having the unknown, right, that really puts you in this fight or flight state most of the time. So unless you were in a really secure, comfortable living environment where you know, you know, your job is secure, or you don't need money, or, you know, all the there I'm sure lots of those people, but for the majority of us, we didn't know where our next either gig if you're self employed, or you know, if your job was going to be secure, that creates some serious stress in the mind and body. So the amygdala is activated. Stress hormones are constantly being pumped out. And it's hard to get back into what you were saying the prefrontal cortex the, the calm the rest and digest. Yeah, unless you have practice. And that's why I think meditation and breathing just breath work are critical to building resilience.

Laura Lee Botsacos  19:44  

So what how would you recommend somebody begin, you know, not many people are familiar with breath work or meditation or yoga and frankly, it can sound like a little alarming to even begin that so where would you suggest people start to look or begin

Jenn Cassetta  19:58  

when I do my big zoom presentations on this. I mean, the easiest thing I just say is doing a four by four by four breath. So inhaling for four counts, holding for four counts, letting go for four counts and relaxing. And you do that as many cycles as you can. I say at least three, it'll take you 30 seconds. And I'm doing it with like, hundreds of people on Zoom. And I'll and I see in the chat, like, Oh, my God, I feel better already. Or, Oh, my God, this is amazing. And I, you know, feel like a weight has been lifted. Like, it can happen that quickly.

Laura Lee Botsacos  20:34  

That's well, I think, yeah, I mean, let me know, I'm certainly no expert here, but I just based on you know, what I've experienced in my life. There are times I'll be like, literally, you're not breathing. You know, I'd like to be doing something where my shoulders will literally be kissing my ears. You don't like it? And then like, right. And it's amazing. What you and what your body can store. Oh, my God. Yes. So then. So Breathworks speaking engagements. Let's talk about the book, if you want.

Jenn Cassetta  21:05  

I will so I just got a publishing deal. And the contract will probably be signed by the time this goes live.

Laura Lee Botsacos  21:16  

So I'm so excited. I'm so glad that my listeners get to hear it. And yeah, if you want me to write your forward, that's amazing. Jen. See?

Jenn Cassetta  21:26  

Yeah, that's big news. You know, and it'll be a year until it actually comes out to anyone out there listening that wants to write a book? No. It is really challenging. You have to really want it, because it really can wear on you all the rejections? Yeah, it's in the publishers like, it's good

Laura Lee Botsacos  21:53  

It's like you do so many different things. How do you take care of yourself?

Jenn Cassetta  22:00  

Meditation practice every single morning, non negotiable, non negotiable

Laura Lee Botsacos  22:05  

and how soon you wake up and you do it and you wake up before coffee or tea or whatever you do your meditation,

Jenn Cassetta  22:11  

go right into it. First thing I do, the cats don't even get fed yet. And they know, they sit there and they wait for me. Because they all have people say like, oh, but my animals like or my kids or whatever. Like they need to eat them. Like they can wait, you have to take care of yourself first. Because you set your state for how you're going to interact with every single person

Laura Lee Botsacos  22:35  

th It's amazing. How long do you have to meditate for ?

Jenn Cassetta  22:38  

15 minutes

Laura Lee Botsacos  22:39  

 And you still do you, You know, I know that you're an expert, you know? Well, I will say that, you know, you've been doing this for a while, do you still have times where your brains are like, oh, I want to go to Bloomingdale's, I need to get my nails done. And they have to pull yourself back in like, do you still have that

Jenn Cassetta  22:52  

I do active meditation. So I don't just try and let you know, my mind doesn't. Okay. In the beginning, I do breath work to relax. And then I go on the series of like, visualizations. So I have my own kind of routine that I do in my meditation. So I don't try to do the I'm just gonna say, Okay, try to zone out or not think about anything like I find that impossible unless you're a monk.

Laura Lee Botsacos  23:19  

Yeah, no, I love that. And I think a lot of people are going to want to learn about that. Because yeah, I think it's so hard because of course, I've tried meditation multiple times. And if your mind wanders, just come back to your breath. And I'm like, Are you kidding me? Within 3.5 seconds, my brain was like, oh my god, oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god, we gotta go. You know, like, I often, I often like, would make a joke that like after yoga class, like, I couldn't sit there and savasana. I had to get the hell out of worrying about my day. 

Jenn Cassetta  23:49  

 I remember the women like you hear that? Like, grabbing their stuff and leaving before the meditation?

Laura Lee Botsacos  23:56  

I've, I've trained myself obviously, right. But it's so funny. Funny, but Okay, so. So your books coming out that your publishing deal? You have your clients, you have your speaking engagements, you take care of yourself, what else is next on the horizon? For Jenn?

Jenn Cassetta  24:14  

I mean, it sounds like a lot.

Laura Lee Botsacos  24:17  

I know. Jeez,

Jenn Cassetta  24:20  

Yeah, I do want to do a digital course on public speaking.

Laura Lee Botsacos  24:23  

I love that. Yeah, 

Jenn Cassetta  24:25  

I'm excited about it. And I know that I have to myself. I have to prioritize. And I know that the next you know, I'm going to have till the end of this year to finish the manuscript. And if I put too much on my plate, it's only going to stress me out. So more than it already is. So why would I do that to myself, so I'm trying to just manage to see, you know, what I need to focus on in the meantime, and I think it's really just speaking gigs that I love doing. And you know, getting this book complete.

Laura Lee Botsacos  24:57  

I think it's great and I think that's also a lesson in, you know, prioritizing, I think sometimes, you know, same thing. It sounds to me like once you have this ability to kind of go within, it helps you do all of that and prioritize putting things into perspective. That's really Yeah, that's good. I'm going to try to wake up tomorrow, meditate. I do my prayers in the morning. I really do that.

Jenn Cassetta  25:18  

I mean, to me, that's meditation. People that pray you're going within you're connecting with sores or, you know, you're, you're not paying attention to outside stimuli and distractions. So

Laura Lee Botsacos  25:32  

It's important. It is. So one of the things I like to ask people on the business, Serum, because as you know, I have a, you know, business, Serum a skincare line. . And if yes, thank you, because I know that you've tried some of our products that we do appreciate. And your  eyes are amazing.

Jenn Cassetta  25:48  

I used it this morning. 

Laura Lee Botsacos  25:52  

 You look good. Your skin looks great.

Jenn Cassetta  25:54  

Thank you.

Laura Lee Botsacos  25:54  

 You're welcome. You're welcome. So, um, if your business was a beauty product, or a beauty brand, what would it be? What would it look like? And what would you like to call it?

Jenn Cassetta  26:08  

Okay, so I had this idea for a product years ago that I wanted to pursue, but I never pursued, and I wanted to do lip gloss for, for work for the gym.

Laura Lee Botsacos  26:20  

That's actually kind of cool. That doesn't come off. Like it doesn't.

Jenn Cassetta  26:24  

Oh, I didn't, I didn't even it was more like it was clean. So you know, you're going to be eating it essentially. So it had to be really like, Yeah, been plant based and no chemicals. But I had this name. I wanted to call it fit lips, which

Laura Lee Botsacos  26:43  

I mean, when you first hear it, you're like, oh, that's clever. And they like, oh, wait a second. I never did it. Well, well, I think you should stick to book writing, speaking, and helping people heal. I'll handle the other stuff. So Jen, tell everybody where can they learn more about you? Where can they find you to talk to us about your socials?

Jenn Cassetta  27:06  

Sure thing. Jennifercasetta.com There's links to Instagram, which is Jen casetta, two n, two S's, two T's. And I'm loving LinkedIn these days. So

Laura Lee Botsacos  27:16  

LinkedIn is kind of like becoming a thing. Yeah, it is. I know I have my moments with it, where I'm, like, totally dedicated. But yeah, I'm back then I'm back on the group with LinkedIn for sure.

Jenn Cassetta  27:29  

Yeah, for if you're a business, or business minded, I think it's the place to be

Laura Lee Botsacos  27:34  

I do too. So, um, any last thoughts you'd like to share with our listeners? Because I think I think this has been pretty amazing. I think that you're, I think you're amazing. I think that you are a force to be reckoned with. I think that you're amazing. I love what you do. I love how you are reaching out. And you know what, it's wonderful to be an entrepreneur and to have your own businesses, but to have a business. And the real success comes from being of service to others. And so I think that that's amazing that that's part of what you do. So yeah,

Jenn Cassetta  28:02  

Thank you, Laura Lee, and I feel the same about you.

Laura Lee Botsacos  28:05  

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