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#849 CyberBay 2026 - Kendra Siler: 🧠 How Art, AI & Neuroscience Shape the Human Mind

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What happens when neuroscience, technology, art, and storytelling collide?

In this fascinating episode of Joey Pinz Discipline Conversations, Joey Pinz sits down with neuroscientist and entrepreneur Kendra Siler to explore how the brain responds to creativity, technology, and the overwhelming pace of modern life.

Kendra shares how music, movement, and storytelling activate long-term memory, reduce stress, and improve problem-solving—and why integrating art into science (STEAM) can dramatically improve innovation and learning. From her early career in microbiology and neuroscience to leading technology initiatives that connect healthcare, cybersecurity, and community systems, Kendra brings a rare interdisciplinary perspective.

The conversation also dives into AI, critical thinking, and how we can retrain our brains in an information-saturated world. Kendra explains why simply outsourcing thinking to AI may weaken human creativity—and how using AI as a collaborative tool can actually elevate our work.

Finally, she shares powerful insights on resilience, mission focus, and why success isn’t just about outcomes—but about the process of building impact over time. 

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If you're interested in brain performance, technology, creativity, and leadership, this episode offers practical wisdom and thought-provoking ideas.

 

🔑 Top 3 Highlights

🧠 How Art Activates the Brain

Music, movement, and storytelling help unlock long-term memory and reduce stress.

🤖 Using AI Without Losing Your Thinking

Why asking AI better questions can enhance creativity rather than replace it.

🚀 Mission-Focused Leadership

Kendra explains why focusing on impact and process matters more than chasing outcomes.

 

 

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SPEAKER_02

Cyber Bay 2026. What a great event this this was uh here in March in Tampa of 2026. Uh of course Arnie Bellini heads this great great initiative for uh Tampa Bay here. The Cyber Bay uh 2026 event was excellent. Uh lots of great attendees, a great mix of attendees, great keynotes, great re-outs, and of course straight vendors. And I was there had four great conversations, wonderful conversations. Uh Sandy Cronenberg started it off uh when AI can pretend to be you. Very interesting discussion with Sandy on that. Kat Carol. Very, really, really intriguing uh woman. I really enjoyed our conversation. AI scams are exploding. Are you ready? Very, very uh interesting conversations. And of course with Linda Nihon of all incredible science, policy, and smart work in a changing world. Do you understand what it means, these policy departments and universities and what they do? I didn't. She sheds great light on it, great insight, wonderful talking to Linda. And then lastly, oh Kendra Siler. Really, really interesting talking with Kendra. How art, AI, and neuroscience shape a human mind. Really great conversation with Kendra. I wish her well and thank you all for your time. Thank you for watching. Listen, I am Joey Pins. And here's my 45-second introduction. After starting my business in the 90s, I started developing core habits of eating in my diet because of working way too much. Before you know, I found myself 340 pounds. The doctor told me if I don't lose the weight, I'm not gonna see my daughter graduate. Took the next seven months, lost 130 pounds. People think there's some secret. Ask me how'd you lose that weight? Like there's some secret. There is no secret. How'd I lose the weight? Just one word. Discipline. I've had other successes in life, and I attribute them all to discipline. Now I'm not the king of discipline, but I believe that it can help all of us. Friends, colleagues convinced me to start a podcast. The podcast mission. How do we better ourselves and society? I talked to interesting people in health, fitness, sport, wellness, business, technology, science, art, and culture. And I eventually asked them how discipline plays a role in their life. Podcast vision, growth through learning from others. I saw the video of you playing golf. Wasn't bad at all.

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Why thank you.

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It was a little snowy though. Where were you?

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Yeah, I was up in Gainesville. So yeah, we're at the public golf course because my son tells me he can't afford anything else. He's in his first year of school.

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Golf is very expensive. Yeah. Too expensive and time consuming.

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I would have taken him somewhere else, but you know, this is where he says he goes, so I joined him.

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So you played, then you had him, and you stopped, and then you kind of maybe coming back.

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I stopped. So that club that you saw me swinging, I haven't swung that club in 20 years that maybe had five hits before I swung it the other day. And my my son, who is left-handed, he's he's 6'5, he's size 15 feet. Whoa. He decided to swing my club, my right-handed club, and he readily broke it right after, yeah, right after I took that video.

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So oh my goodness. Tell me how neuroscience and art meet.

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I'm glad you didn't say how does neuroscience and golf meet. Well, maybe. So we're really excited about that. So um art has a way of taking people back and um kind of re-energizing their long-term memories. So, and it's their connection to the world in many ways. We are um plagued by working a lot with technology, which is which is great. Uh, it saves us time, it increases the quality of our work, um, you know, it increases our productivity, but it doesn't give us time to um kind of rest our brain and and really connect with the world. And there are ways that you know you can better connect with the world through art. It could be through memory, it could be through just activating different parts of your brain that um aren't necessarily massage when we're working with technology.

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Wow. And how did you come to this realization?

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So my postdoc was at the McKnight Brain Institute. So I was in the department of neuroscience there. So um certainly there's a lot of research going on there and just going on around the world. And this is this was a long time ago. This was in the early 2000s, yeah. So it's it's really come a long way. There's definitely people that are, you know, expert uh experts in the area more than I am. Um, but certainly we understand that connection and we try to bring art into uh people's homes. So basically music and movement therapy. Um we're collaborating right now with Michael Feinstein. We announced that about two weeks ago, um, that we're doing a collaboration with him. Um you may know him as kind of an American revivalist. He's really been collecting American music like all of the classics and just every aspect of music in his great American songbook. And he wants to make sure that he's sharing that with the world and helping those that are helped by art therapy, whether they're dementia patients, uh, you know, have anger control issues, substance abuse, any type of cognitive impairment that's going to be influenced by music and movement, that's who he wants to help. And the platforms powered by AI to personalize, you know, what's coming through the platform. It's also great for kids. So I'm sure you remember Lunetunes as a child and maybe as an adult, you know, like that brings back a lot of great memories to me. And you know, a lot of the music that he's talking about was in those, were in those shows. Like that was kind of, if you think about it, um, that was like our first foray right into some of the more classical music and American music, and it's unforgettable.

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Well, Kendra, what is neuroscience the study of?

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So it's basically the processes, the functionality of the brain and the areas of the brain. So, you know, what do what does your nervous system need to do to um, you know, cause cause different things to happen in your life, in your work, um, you know, just anywhere.

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So, how does art and movement and music affect our brains?

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That's a big question. It's a really big question. To me, the the biggest piece that it affects is gonna be that memory recall, so probably long-term memory recall. And it also basically relaxes you. Wow. So, you know, all the stress that we face day to day, it it helps reduce that stress and just gives you a respite from what's going on. It also increases your creativity so you can make connections in ways that you wouldn't have. It improves your problem solving. Um, a lot of the research comes from um, you know, how they have like STEM, so it's a science, technology, engineering, mathematics. Now they have STEAM where they add art and it improves the people that are coming into the workforce that are training for the workforce if they're trained in Steam, because of that addition to art of art to the science and technology.

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There's always room for art. I I uh there always is, isn't there? I mean, even to the most structured scientist, there has to be room for art. There needs to be. Yeah. I I would think.

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Yeah, and a lot of them, um, I don't know if you've noticed, but I don't know how many scientists you know, but a lot of them um they'll play instruments or you know, they draw or they do something. They usually have those two pieces to them. But I think that the piece that intertwines between the science and the art is the creativity.

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And where does storytelling come in in between all that?

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Storytelling. So um we are actually doing a presentation on storytelling um next week in Las Vegas. So that's gonna be at the National Association of Workforce Boards, and um we got into looking at storytelling because we're trying to increase the number of people that were um training in the workforce and and getting into employment and really um learning what needs to happen like within the company that they're working for. Like what do they need to do to be a team player in that company and really understand what the needs and priorities are of the company? And um to do that, there's a lot of approaches that can be taken that employers can use to better train their workers to retain them and have them be more productive. But to get to that point to where somebody, you know, an employee and an employer understands what needs to happen, you need to have storytelling to connect. There's so much information that's going out. I mean, you know how it is with your podcast. Um, there's a lot of um other other inputs coming in that draw away the attention, and you have to do what you can to make sure that you have your listeners, right? Interesting. So a lot of that is going to be storytelling. How do you tell something in a rich way or just engage people? That's the storytelling piece. And you have to apply that to everything. It doesn't matter how dry um a topic may seem, you have to find a way to tell the story. So we will be looking into the neuroscience of that. Um, you know, what what aspects of stories um tend to draw people in to what's being told and kind of touches them in a way to where they're going to make an action based on that story or find it memorable.

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Storytelling art, is it music? Is it movement? Is it part of it?

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So is storytelling art? I I think it is. Yeah. Yeah. I think it is. I mean the same way writing a book would be, you know, to me, to me that's art. So how about you? What do you think?

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Yeah, because well there's there's people that are better at storytelling than others. They could tell the same story, but they might be able to kind of project it a little bit better.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Know when to use emphasis, know when to use nonverbal. You're still conveying a story.

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Yeah.

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That's interesting. I'm sure studies have been done on this. I'm sure. Probably. Because there's some captivating people that can talk about the weather and still have be interesting.

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Right, right. Christopher Walken, for instance.

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Oh yeah, sure, he could. That's a good point. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Somebody like that, who's got a wealth of I mean, he's an actor too, who helps.

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Right.

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Which helps, yeah. And plus his accent, or I don't want to say accent, but his inflection is.

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So he has multiple accents. So yeah. So that's true.

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That's true. And so your company, Comhic, tell me the mission there.

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Yeah. So first let me get to this though. Speaking of actors, so um, our ambassador for workforce development is Debbie Allen.

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Oh.

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So, you know, she's an international icon. She dances, she acts, she's an executive producer for Grey's Anatomy, she directs. I mean, she pretty much does it all, and she's incredible at telling stories. Um, Liza Minelli serves as our ambassador for engagement. Yeah. So, you know, exceptional um actors, dancers, singers, um, you know, like in their own right, and exceptional storytellers. I'm I'm not a storyteller.

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I find that hard to believe.

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Yeah, I'm not a storyteller. Really? But but I know a good storyteller when I see one. So um, you know, certainly they're the best. Like, that's why we work with them. So, in terms of what Comhit does, um we started in rural and remote areas. We built out the first rurally based health information exchange. So if you think about um how you might go to your medical provider and you get your your records, right? Like whatever the provider found is wrong with you, your medical history, your medications. Um, that information, we get it, we would get it outside of the four walls of the medical facility and where you needed that data, where your provider needed that data the most. You know how it's hard to get records and things. So um that's that's where we started, and because we found that um, you know, the cybersecurity wasn't quite where it needed to be in some of the rural areas, they didn't have the same type of financial resources as their urban counterparts. There are a lot of pieces, you know, that they're missing. Um that's really where we stayed, you know, working in rural areas until closer to COVID when you know everything kind of shut down. And um we started working more in rural in urban areas as well as the rural areas and whatever works in rural work works in urban too. Um our mission has been to plan and operationalize complex problems that deal with uh combinations of health, uh technology, and community. So that's where our name comes from, Comhead. Yeah, and we work in any setting that's needed. But certainly we like to concentrate where it's needed the most.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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We're here at the big Cyber Bay event here in Tampa. What are your goals today? You spoke today.

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Yeah, so I did another podcast today. I did yeah, no password required with them. So um definitely we're um, you know, huge cheerleaders for Cyber Florida and see ourselves as part of that ecosystem. Um, they typically support us as well and the type of work that we do. Um, you know, as you know, we're at Kennedy Space Center, that's where our headquarters is. Yeah. So we've been there 10 years. Um, this is actually our 15th year of um CalmHit, um, you know, being being a company, so that's really exciting. Um, but we're at the Space Center because um with the longer-term space missions, things that CalmHit does, it helps to inform the care teams that they need because they need really compact care teams where people are cross-trained and agile technologies. And then we take the advancements from space exploration and then place those, apply those in the rural and remote communities that we work in. So um we do a lot of uh kind of in-home uh kind of care settings. We help with that, um, something called mobile integrated health, which is um non-emergency care that happens in patients' homes. And in Florida, that typically is um run by fire rescue, and nationwide, a lot of the places it is also run by um fire rescue because they're trusted in the patient homes. That reduces 9-1-1 calls, it reduces unnecessary transports. Um, but a lot of that care, it also involves technology, right? So again, you're going in with these remote patient monitoring tools, you're going in, you know, soon I hope, with the Michael Weinstein platform, um, you know, things like that, and that requires cybersecurity, and they're also uh oftentimes AI enabled. So um that's kind of our connection here, you know, with the work that we do and healthcare.

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What is it about technology that attracts you, Kendra?

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Oh gosh. So um my dad was Air Force, and um even though he was uh he he did uh inspector general and then he was a comproller, but if you're around the military, there's always new tech that's coming out. So um I was I grew up in the 80s, but I had a laptop, even though it's a very heavy laptop. I had a laptop when I was in ninth grade. And you know, before that I had a com you know, a computer that I was tinkering on, like one of the first um kind of computers. It was a commercial computer, so it wasn't like you know, milit military secret computer, but um, you know, it was it was just something that I was able to do that I was exposed to because of my father's profession. So and that that's the same thing with golf. He was on, he represented the uh Air Force on their the international golf team for the military. So he was one of the five um at the time, you know, internationally for that. So definitely a lot of exposure from my dad.

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Kendra, is there something you believe strongly and firmly like 10 years ago that you no longer believe?

SPEAKER_01

Oh gosh, that's a really hard question. Um I'm sure there is. Um wow. That's a hard question. Why don't why don't you answer that for me?

SPEAKER_02

Well, there's many things. I mean, 10 years ago, so let's think about it. 10 years ago was what, 2016, pre-pandemic. We were both 10 years younger. Uh so you know, I have two daughters, they're both in their 20s, so they were, you know, this would be in their high school age, so it'd be a little bit different, you know, and what their future was gonna be like was uncertain. It was probably a lot of lot revolving around that and where technology is, AI was talked about, but never not really what it is now. Yeah. Um security threats were available, but not what they are now. Uh so there's lots of lots of areas, certainly in tech, me personal life. Nothing comes to mind.

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So I I got trained as a microbiologist because I was scared that there was going to be a pandemic. So yeah. Way back then. So that was way back then. Yeah, that was in the 90s. So um why did you think there was gonna be a pandemic? I don't know. A movie you watched, a book you read? It's very possible. Um it was definitely books that I would read, and you know, so you went to microbiology. I went into microbiology.

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Whoa.

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And then I ended up with neuroscience during my postdoc. Yeah. But I got a I got my PhD in microbiology and cell science.

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Wow. Microbiology is still is a study of what?

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My So microbes. So it's bacteria and you know, things that you can see through only through a microscope.

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So my ex-wife was cell molecular biology.

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Okay, yeah, that's very close. That's very close. I did cell biology. Yeah, cell biology, so it'd be you know within the cell or things that affect the cells. So yeah. So I did a lot of protein science myself. Yeah. So I could probably talk to your wife for a while about stuff like that. And she might tell you the same. She's like, well, I went into this because I didn't know if there was going to be a pandemic.

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I wonder. Yeah. I wonder.

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Yeah.

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Is there a question that you wish more people would ask you?

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Hmm. Um You are asking me the hardest questions like ever. Ever.

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A question that you wish more people would ask you.

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I wish that I wish that people would ask us more questions about, um people would ask me questions about how they can retrain their brains and take countermeasures against, you know, what's going on today. I I think that something that's changed in the last 10 years that that did surprise me, going back to your old question, is that I thought we were feeling stress in 2016. And now 10 years later, it's life is way more stressful than it's ever been. And I wouldn't I wouldn't think I would be able to be stressed at the level that we all are. Like in, you know, in 2016, I wouldn't think I would be able to handle that level of stress, but now we all do, and the amount of information that's thrown thrown at us every day. So I would say that that's something that I'm surprised by. I do wish that people would ask though more questions about what do they need to do in terms of countermeasures with you know just what goes on in their everyday life, whether it's um because of technology or because of the stress or you know, whatever it is, you know, what are those countermeasures? We're having um our next annual event in December. I I hope you come. It's December 9th and 10th. It's gonna be at Kennedy Space Center.

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Oh wow.

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And this year our theme is mental performance. Build, protect, and restore your brain across work and life. So um, you know, it's not gonna be me getting up there and telling everybody what to do, but we're gonna bring in a lot of different neuroscience experts on, you know, what is the newest research? What are the greatest breakthroughs? What are the things that you can apply every day that's actually going to improve um, you know, how you work, you know, your happiness levels, um, your just your ability to be resilient in day to day life. And I think that that's going to be a great thing to get everybody ready for 2027.

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What are some things we could do, Kendra, to retrain our

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So one thing that we need to all do is when we're using AI, if we start asking the AI questions to help us learn things ourselves instead of just telling AI to do something and just taking what it gives us. So I know that a lot of people they want to use AI to save time. I don't necessarily use it to save time. I use it to increase the quality of my work. So a lot of times I'll just go back and forth with the AI on certain things until we get to something together that I feel is representative of what I uniquely want to say or do and not just something that is almost like an amalgamation of what you know different people may think that you want to say or do, and you know, not even understanding the nuances of what you're doing. So I think that's something that that people may want to go back to. Um we don't necessarily need to have a singularity of thought. Um we still need to have our unique thoughts so we're able to put forward. And sometimes I feel like um the time limits that you may have day to day, it it makes you lean towards something that may look polished, but it doesn't really have a uniqueness to it.

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You're telling us to question what you read.

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You definitely have to question what you read. And and think about if you're writing emails with AI, the other person's also doing that. And basically it's just two AIs having a conversation. Like you need to have the conversation yourself. You need to have that human connection with the other person still.

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Kendra, I started my tech firm back in the 90s and I was working way too hard. 14, 16 hour days. I'm sure you're no stranger. Not paying attention to my health, putting exercise in the backseat, trying to build a business, developing poor diet habits. Next thing I know, I'm in front of the doctor, and she tells me I'm at 340 pounds. So I had gained all this terrible amount of weight, knew I was getting big, didn't know I was that big. But she tells me, if you don't lose this weight, you're never gonna see your daughter graduate. My daughter was just born. Scared the life out of me, spent the next six, seven months, lost about 120 pounds. You can't look at these things as finishing lines, right? These are long-term changes. When I tell people this story, they just say, What's your secret? What'd you do? And there's no secret. I say discipline. Motivation, routine, focus. How does discipline play a role in your life?

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Oh, so that's that's another huge piece. Um, and again, I'll go back to my father. I was I was a military rat, right? So we have to understand discipline. Um we also moved every one to three years because he was, you know, on the IG team. So, you know, most kids that were in the military at the time, they were moved every three to four years. So I had to move a lot more. So um you didn't really know what you're gonna get when you got there. So it's really resilience and discipline and understanding that you know, not every go everywhere you go, people are going to like you. And, you know, sometimes you screw up, and you know, you have to, it's it's the discipline to get back on track sometimes instead of you know just saying, uh, screw it. Um I fell off the wagon and now I'm just gonna keep going in the wrong direction. It's always like that discipline to get back on the right path, even if you mess up a little bit.

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What motivates you?

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Um I love actually love to do work. I love work. So Define work. The framework?

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Define work.

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Oh, define work.

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Um When you say you love work, what kind of thing?

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Yeah, I so so I guess I love doing so I founded the company um with Dr. David Willis 15 years ago. And and you know, I was always like working before then, but even when I was little, I had this uh sense that I was doing work. So like my job was to um go out and meet my dad when I was, you know, like a toddler. Like I would go out every day at a certain time when he was supposed to be getting home to walk him in. So I always had like little types of work that I did, like whether it was coloring, connect the dots, you know. So I'm just telling you, I I started early. Um I had a briefcase very early, like that was part of my play. Um, so I was just I was kind of raised in it, and my parents were also very entrepreneurial, both of them. Um so so that's kind of work. But I I love the company, like what we do, um, you know, in communities that I feel that we really make a difference. I love the partners that we work with. Um it's just it's very exciting to me, like to make things happen, to make things better, um, especially when you are putting together something that is going to endure. Um, you know, so so making differences in um kind of processes and communities that are going to make things better and that others can build on.

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I didn't hear you say this, Kendra, but uh what I did hear was ethic, work ethic, impact, and legacy.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So given those three motivators, how do you measure success?

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How do I measure success?

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Given those motivators. Yeah. Legacy, impact, ethic.

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So the success comes in the process. So I love the journey of work. Um, so it's not necessarily about the end goal, like whether or not I I reach some end goal. I don't ever feel like I'm actually reaching the end with anything. Um and I don't see myself not working. So I don't either. Yeah. So so every day just doing what I can to get to this better state is what kind of fuels me, and and that's what I measure as success.

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Has there been anything in the last month or so you changed your mind on?

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Ooh, um gosh. Where do you get all these hard questions? Is it hard? They come from your brain. What did I change my mind on? Um last month or so. So there's no wrong answer. I tend to So I'd probably say I change my mind a lot, but it's it's it's different from making a decision and then going, you know what, I don't want to go in that direction. I'm just gonna totally ditch this. I look at things in this very iterative way. That's just what I I tend to do. So um we'll take a step and then we monitor after we take that step before we decide our next step. So I'm not one to make five-year strategic plans. Um like I I I probably more typically should if I make a plan, it's usually no more than a year, probably no more than six months, like whatever I'm doing.

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Because things change, technology. Technology is dynamics. Yeah.

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Everything's very dynamic. I mean, like, even if we look at um where AI was a year ago compared to where it is now, like it's very different. So, yeah, I don't, I don't tend to, and and it probably is just the technology background. It's just, you know, things, policies change, technology changes, people change, you know, everything everything's constantly in flux, so I I don't I don't plan as much as as maybe um some others do. Um I tend to work more iteratively.

SPEAKER_02

I like to think that I would change my mind on any given subject given new evidence.

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Yeah, oh yeah.

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I would like to think that.

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Yes.

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What do you do with the haters?

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Uh I don't worry about that too much. I don't really focus on that. I look at that as distraction. So I that's probably maybe another part of the discipline piece. Like I don't I try not to get distracted very much. Like if I'm concentrating on a certain priority, I say mission focused. I try to get um all the employees at the business very mission focused.

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Um heard this great analogy recently that the crow is the only animal, the only bird that'll attack the eagle in flight. The only one. Okay. The eagle will be flying, the crow will land on its back and start pecking at it. Okay. The eagle will not shake it off. Uh huh. It'll increase its altitude because it knows at a certain altitude the crow will just fall off.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, yeah.

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So when the haters are pecking at you, continue to rise.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I love that. I really love that.

SPEAKER_02

Really enjoyed our time together today. I did too. Anybody watching or listening, how can they get in touch with you?

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So they can reach me at our web page is comhit.org. So that's c o m-t.org. And they can reach me directly at Kendra K-E-N-D-R-A. Siler, S is in Sam, I L E R at comhit.org.

SPEAKER_02

And you're also on LinkedIn.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, we I'm also on LinkedIn, companies on LinkedIn, companies on Instagram, um, and we hope to see you at Kennedy Space Center in December.

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Would love to.

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Yeah, thank you. Appreciate it.

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