A Conversation with Natalie Bailey

It was my absolute pleasure to invite Natalie Bailey to be my first guest for 2024!

And what a conversation we had! Listen in, grab your notebook, and enjoy this fun-filled conversation that will leave you with ideas, inspiration and action. We recorded this episode at the end of 2023 and both wish you a happy, healthy peaceful future

A little bit about Natalie before you dive in:

Natalie Bailey is a Property Developer, and a Coach and Mentor. Having over 10 years of experience in running businesses, including Bars, Gyms, and eCommerce she now has a property development business with her business partner and Mum, Paula.

She helps others be more confident and successful in health, wealth & happiness so they can live the life they dream of.

On a mission to help combat loneliness with the Better Together message, she helps busy, lost and stuck entrepreneurs to truly connect with themselves with the Confident Entrepreneurs Club, her Mastermind groups, and Retreats. Living between Mallorca and London, she embodies everything she teaches. With a background in Personal Training, health and fitness is high on the agenda, with wealth creation and happiness going hand in hand to create a confident and successful life.

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Natalie, hello, good evening and thank you so much for joining me on the online entrepreneur Academy podcast and joining this conversation, taking time out from your Christmas festivities.

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So how are you?

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I'm excellent, thank you very much for having me, Susan. I am really looking forward to our conversation this evening and They are much Christmas festivities for me, so I'm more than happy to speak to anybody over this period of time.

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Thank you very much. Seems like my cat wants to speak to everybody as well, those who watching the video, you'll see a fireball walking across.

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But to the point Natalie, thanks again thanks a lot for joining us and when I think of you I think of masterminds and I know you've just finished one but I'll circle back to that later by May but first of all could you share a little bit with my audience about your background and where you came from where you're at now because I know they'll be curious because you are very successful and a very dynamic

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person.

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Thank you. Yes, my history is. Very varied. So now, I do property development with my mum, Paula.

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Lovely.

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She's my business partner. I'm our latest project was a 20,000 square foot commercial conversion.

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We created 30 new homes. So people in Mildenhall and then we are looking for more projects like that but also new build so where negotiating, looking, offering all of the time and it's it's a very interesting thing to be doing you know that the UK is not building enough houses there are too many people and not enough houses and That's one of the things that Wait really passionate about them.

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My mom especially like she's very very good on that side of it with the project management side of things as well.

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And I also host a podcast which is called Confidence Mastery. We've been going 4 years next year.

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Wow, fantastic.

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Which is, yeah, thank you. I'm a huge milestone which you're very excited about when we're putting an online summit together for that.

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I did public speaking, host a mastermind, then an annual retreat as well. I which I really really love.

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And we used to have a holiday like business but the more we were into it whilst it was successful.

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What we were doing and what I was doing on a day to day basis wasn't my own genius, it wasn't what I what I enjoy doing.

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Yeah, I can,

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I'm good at talking, not attack. Yes. Yeah, so we close that down. So I really love what I do now in terms of delivering hosting, bringing people together.

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Hmm.

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Communities very, very, very important to me. And, but I wasn't always in this world before.

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A long time before in 2,011 I was I'm born in Brighton, London.

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I was in my job. I had a very good job in the in the city and then we moved to more London to just opposite Tower Bridge which is not very far from where I grew up and where I live.

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Yeah, beautiful area.

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And I was just measurable. Absolutely miserable and I thought you know what sod this quit my job got on a plane to New Yorker and went and did Magaloo for 4 years.

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And if anybody listening knows anything about my life, it's a massive party thing. That's where the Brits go to.

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No, if you like. We need it somewhere I don't go to anymore and It was a very interesting period of my life and it taught me a lot.

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But there was some things that happened that made me think, mmm, I need to change what I'm doing here.

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Oh. I think I missed that Gotcha.

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So I, me, me, I thought, well, what's the complete opposite of what I'm doing?

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This 24 h party lifestyle always raving so I've always had good arms, you know, hands in the air.

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That's it.

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And, whether we trained as a personal trainer. And it took some time getting through that after running the bars, people going, what your your personal training now?

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It take opposite as you say.

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Would you watch? It's a completely different thing and then I ended up running a gym in a box of gym.

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And doing that until my nan passed away, which is what was like the trigger for my mom and I working together from 2,017.

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And the January, Now we do all of these things which is a much better lifestyle than 12 years ago.

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Yes, but it's a progression, isn't it? And then twists and turns.

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I mean, that's amazing because I was going to ask you later on because you're You know, we all, well, not all of us lost sport, but you and I love sport and you've made that a feature of your lifestyle, haven't you?

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Yeah, yeah.

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I see you in the gym very often on your social media posts.

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Yes, the gym is like, my, it's my second charge. The football, the, the Dens, my first.

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Oh no.

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Yeah.

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And the gym, won't like you get one body to live in. So you need to learn to look after it and whilst I thought like I looked good in those Magaloo party days.

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Hmm.

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I wasn't healthy physically or mentally. And when I retrained as a personal trainer and I really started to understand the physicality of the body and how the brain's connected.

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Yes.

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And now more so the spiritual side as well and how it all goes together. I understand the importance of of exercise for physical and mental health.

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No.

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Absolutely.

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And longevity of life. Especially as women, we've got more chance of osteoporosis as we age.

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Yeah.

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So if you fall over and you break a bone and you've not been resistance training, you're going to be in recovery for a lot longer than if you had taken the initiative to a lot longer than if you had taken the initiative to go and Do some exercise move your body, you know, we're meant to move.

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Okay.

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And I lost the gym, I love lifting weights. I really dislike cardio. But I understand the benefits of it.

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She says with difficulty. Yeah, I'm with you like because I know my I've got a good few years on you and I know that I should be doing.

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Cardio weights and stretch now can't be awaits no issue at all but stretch i just find so slow and I keep telling myself I've got to do it I've got to do it so I understand.

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Interestingly enough, why I was having this conversation this morning on our online entering session. And I interviewed someone on my podcast called Aaron who's he does retreats in yoga and he wrote a book called Stop Stretching.

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This, this sounds interesting. Tell me more. Tell us more.

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That might be worth you checking out. So. He talks about the way that you When you stretch your muscle, you're moving it beyond its capabilities.

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Right.

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And what it could, what it should be doing, you're stretching it and that's not what it's supposed to do.

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And I was like, hang on a minute. I always stretch. I get the benefits and stretching.

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You're talking nonsense. Come on my podcast so we can have the discussion. And the more we spoke about it, the more it makes sense.

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Like, Static stretching isn't necessarily that good for you, but dynamic stretching where you are in movements.

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Hmm.

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And, and he says that yoga is nothing to do with stretching. Yoga is about strength and, in in herself.

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Yeah.

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So he takes a different stance on it, so I definitely recommend his stop stretching book if you're thinking that you need to stretch.

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And it's something that I do but more dynamically and and utilize that to warm the muscles up to cool down to be flexible and be like have the ability.

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It's move moving while stretching is is the way to go, not static.

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Yeah. That's sounds very reassuring and of course for those you listening watching make sure you check the show notes because we'll put all these details down below because that sounds a really good recommendation.

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Yeah, because I've gone my road by can I go quite long distance isn't quite far in and I stopped I got to stretch but to your point it's all about keeping the body healthy and active and I think doing what we love don't think not sort of forcing us to forcing ourselves to do an exercise that we don't enjoy.

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There's so much choice out there, isn't there?

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There is, and I always say to people, you don't have to do what I do, you don't have to go and lift heavy weights like me, find something you enjoy.

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But equally every December and this is December that we're talking I do this challenge where you run a minimum of 3 miles or 5 kilometers or 25 min every single day.

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Well.

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Yeah.

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And I did running like you would not believe. And I do it anyway. I do it for the banner.

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I do it for learning something and pushing outside of my comfort zone because the gym for me is now easiest and non-negotiable.

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Exactly.

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That's that's my my happy place. But running.

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Yeah.

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Oh my gosh. So if you go on YouTube and you type Natalie hates running, you'll find a playlist of my real estate and my shorts of every single day in December.

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Yeah.

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And I do it, I do it because it's hard. It's hard for me to do because I don't enjoy it.

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I don't want to doing it. Like when I got back to London on Monday. It was the weather was I mean it was it's obviously it's cold in the Yorker but then my next run was Tuesday morning and it was absolutely pouring down.

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Wasn't it just everywhere? And that really.

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You think?

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And I'll put you like, you know, you put a cap on. To keep the rain off your face and then the cap hit so where it starts dripping off the cap.

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Yeah.

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And I'm telling myself, why am I doing this? And I do all of the tricks of the trade that I know, you know, smiling, it tricks the brain into thinking you're happy, tell yourself you love it and I've tried it.

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And it's just not something I enjoy. But I know success comes from doing the hard things. And you can apply this.

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Yeah, there's a good message.

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Hmm.

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Yeah, you can apply this to business as well because business is hard. And once you understand and recognise that business is hard.

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Yeah.

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It gets a little bit easier. So by me having the discipline to go out and run 5 kilometers every day in December.

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31 days I can't do that much off top of my head. You should know this. But it's difficult.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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But, I've increased my network. I've got more engagement, more activity, more conversations.

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What's not to like about the rain?

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And I love a challenge. Sorry. Yeah, so sometimes Try the things that you don't enjoy.

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Hmm.

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Because you might it might turn out that you do end up liking them.

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100%.

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Cause I used to worry about going and lifting away because I look at I look at a weight and I put muscle on that's just my body my body was built for Speed not speed and power not in giants That's why running for me is so bad and monotonous, but

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You just try new things. I brought pair of frat umbrella blades and I'm so terrible at it, it's in areas.

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Yeah.

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But unless you try these things and you keep going and you are consistent with it, you're never going to see any results and that's exactly what you should be doing.

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When it comes to growing your business is looking at what's working well, what's not working well, what's really difficult, why am I putting it off because it's difficult.

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Hmm.

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What if it's difficult, everybody? If it was easy, everybody would be doing it. So if it's difficult, that's an opportunity.

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So you to go. I can do something great here.

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Yeah, absolutely. That makes huge sense. And, you know, really, listening to what Natalie saying, just if you have one takeaway and there's a lot more things we've got to say again we're going to hear about but yeah just keep Keep trying, keep going.

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And also I suppose as you're hinting at there, it's an artisan of knowing that's not working, I need to go to something else but you're still challenging yourself aren't you?

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Yeah.

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Hmm. And be in competition with yourself. But not for what your competitors are doing and have a noise but don't compare yourself to They've got a different lifestyle, a different life.

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They've started at a different point. They have different experience. They had a different job before. Different family.

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They all of these factor in to what helps people to be where they're at. So comparison really is the thief joy.

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But you can learn things from other people and their content and what they're putting out, what's working.

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Yeah.

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But what's working for you is the most important thing and keeping a track of that, okay, that didn't work, why didn't it work?

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Yeah.

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Let's try this way like A B split testing is so important. Because otherwise you don't know what works.

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Well, that's right. And I always give the example. because I was teaching business at college in in a previous iteration and so if you've got if you're selling a mobile phone to pensioners, it's not going to be the same mobile phone and we always looked at a mobile phone for pensions will be very different.

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Hmm.

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So if you put that mobile phone in front of the teenage market, they're just going to laugh because they don't want to be clunky thing but your older person does and so on so it's not that it's to your point it's not that it's the wrong thing, it's not that it's the wrong thing or it just makes sometimes needs one tweak, maybe it's

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the marketplace, maybe it's the timing. There's so many things to look at and but it is hard, isn't it, to keep going when something appears not to be working and and you don't understand why but testing's bit testing is so important, so important.

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When you see everything as a test and you you build that resilience and you learn from the mistakes that you make and you then come from a place of experience.

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Hmm, true.

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Rather than thinking, oh, I've got to start all over again. I've put all of this effort in and it's not worked.

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So I mean useless if you don't look at the lessons learn and apply them going forward.

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Yeah, good point. Really good point. Thank you. Now I would love to pick you, well we would love to pick your brains about masterminds if I may not ask you to give away your trade secrets but I was thinking about masterminds beforehand.

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I thought there's probably 2, well, 2 very clear to the sector. It's the client and the organizer.

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So if I may have got a few questions that I've made a note of so I don't miss them out.

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So. I was thinking for mastermind, that's a very big term, but What will we say mastermind?

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What do we mean?

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Okay.

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So I call it a meeting of mines. It's people, yeah, it's people coming together to discuss the same topic but from a different perspective.

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Hmm. That.

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And it's led by a personal. Passons but everybody that comes the people that are the leaders versus the mentees The leaders of the mastermind learn as much in the mentees as much as the mentees get from the leaders and from the other people in the group.

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And that's the beauty of it because you get different people's perspective. On 1 One issue.

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Yeah.

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And that's why I think of it as a meeting of minds.

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Yeah, no, that makes huge sense. And it, yeah, you said, I can't even, I can't even re summarize that, that's perfect.

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So the burning question is I think, you know, business owners, people who are perhaps working on their own because a lot of entrepreneurs are doing everything, aren't they?

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Then it can be very lonely, which is Which is another thing which I think must attract people to get together.

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Could you haven't got that round the waterc at all necessarily. But when does someone know when they need a mastermind?

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Is it ever too early too late? Not relevant. I know that's a big question.

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Hi, I don't think it's ever too early, you know, because we were invited to Mbs.

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Hmm.

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Came a legacy, a mastermind in 2,018, Mom and I. And We've only been So of testing the water for about a year.

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Right.

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We didn't have a business at that point. We've done some training and we were trying to figure out what to do.

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Yeah.

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But people could see the potential in us like we were there, we showed up, we, you know, doing the things and so we were Mum and I had the conversation of is this too early?

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I may be amazed that just always runs ahead. Well. Slowly walked ahead. 20 miles an hour in my brain.

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They don't know.

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Hmm.

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I said, this is probably the perfect time. Because this should help us to figure out exactly What the strategy is, like what is the plan and how are we going to get there?

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Gotcha.

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So whilst we may not have technically been ready because we were at the beginning of our journey, We were ready because we were open to the idea of creating a different life.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So you know you're ready. When you think I want more from my current situation. How do I make that happen?

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Yeah, that makes that makes huge sense. And it's, I think, and also being open to a new experience, cause that must have been, was that the first mastermind you'd been on?

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No, we did their VIP which was a monthly in person mastermind. It was the first mastermind retreat had been on.

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Right.

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So in a different country that was in Dubai and the next year was in the Cayman Islands.

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Yeah.

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Which is what I suppose prompted me to start mine from 2021 because I'd wanted to run retreats of my own since I trained as a person trainer.

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Hmm.

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Yeah, yes.

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And then I saw that there's so much more to to it then yeah. So yeah, that was, that was, yeah, that was the first.

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Yeah.

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Not well The impasse of mastermind days were still out of the country for me having you know living in Miyaga but For both of us going away, yes, that was the first one.

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That was a very long unit answer, but who is?

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This one. No, no, it's important. What a lovely experience and to be working with your mother because a lot of people say don't work with family because it's complicated but I guess any business is complicated to be honest.

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So So tell us.

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It is complicated. You have to go through a period of time figuring things out, working out who does what.

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Knowing each other well enough and all your values and moles aligned is the end goal the same even if what you want to do to get there might be slightly different.

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So it took us a while to find our feet, but now We know what each other enjoys doing and thankfully it's the opposite of what the other doesn't enjoy doing.

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That's really complementary, yes. Okay.

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Yes, and that works really well like mom's very detail orientated. She's a great project manager.

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She's great on site like she loves that. Being in the thick of it and I'm more visionary bigger picture I see this yes that looks great those are the numbers great like let's make this happen and the hosting and the delivering of events and masterminds and retreats like me standing up.

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Hmm.

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And bringing people together, that's what I'm great at. So it's very complementary because I don't want to look at.

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Every line on a spreadsheet. I'm just, I'm just not there and like my podcast for example, I do the talking, I send it to the agency and they do the rest because I haven't got the time or inclination to learn that piece.

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Hmm.

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Yeah.

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Because I know that my talent lies elsewhere. And I think that's what everybody listening should be thinking about is Where are my talents?

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Forget about your weaknesses. They're irrelevant. You can outsource your weaknesses, work on the things that you're good at.

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Get better and even better and be the greatest of the things that you're already good at. And then you'll enjoy what you're doing a lot more as well.

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You have to, that makes huge sense and this is things, and I forget what it's called, but where you work out what your $10 h are on your $20 h and and more to the point outsource it to people who know what they're doing in that particular area and could do it quickly and effectively.

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Yeah.

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And Why, 2 years learning how to do high? Content editing when someone else is trained to video edit for you know taking your example.

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Okay.

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Yeah, make so much sense and it needn't be expensive to the new entrepreneur or the newbies starting out we're not talking about huge expense we just I think we're not talking about huge expense we just I think we're both saying aren't we just think what we're both saying aren't we just think what you do best outsource just the small things it may just be the the email

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and the the VA work which is such a skill I hugely respect that and I'm terrible at it.

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Yeah.

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Exactly.

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Oh, same and I like you could just own what you're not good at like without my VA Gemma she's absolutely incredible she does in 5 to 10 min what will take me 3 h So, she, we're, we're a great compliment too.

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She has the skills that I don't have. To help me build the things that I am good at.

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And that's what everybody needs. Everyone needs a gem off.

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Yeah, I think they were going to be asking about this.

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No, this is Molly.

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Okay, she's very busy. We need, we need her, sisters and cousins.

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Give my secret weapon. Here's my secret weapon.

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Sorry. Yeah, well, it's not secret anymore. You've just told us.

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Everyone knows I've got a gem off.

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Yeah, everyone should have a gym for sure. Absolutely. So changing round to the other side, setting up a mastermind, now, a retreat.

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What sort of advice would you give to the people? I mean obviously they're practical issues but there must be so many things to consider but not I was guess not over complicating it.

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So all yours.

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Yeah, as simple as possible. The first thing to do is check that there's a need for it.

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Yeah.

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And that's the most important thing. Like so many people come to me and Hi, I'm doing this course, I'm doing all of the content and then I'm gonna put it out there once I put all the content together I'm like no No, no, no, no!

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No. Along, those are going.

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Oh my goodness. Half the outline have the concepts like have your 7 steps or 3 steps or 5 steps.

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Yeah.

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Know the bullet points of what works. But don't do the actual work until you know that people need it or people want it.

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Yes.

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And you need to make people go from Oneing it, the feeling that they need it. I want you sold it, then you can create.

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Because otherwise you're just going about the one way round. You need to know there's demand.

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To do the market research ask your audience build your audience and ask your audience. What's missing? What is it that you think that you need help with?

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I asked the questions. Ask really great questions. And to me the more and more I got into the property world I saw a lot of people start and start.

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And a lot of people do courses and then you never heard from them again. And a lot of this stems from one as you mentioned earlier, loneliness.

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But 2, a lack of confidence and a lack of self-esteem because it's something brand new.

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Yeah.

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So when you go into something new, you're not going to be confident at it because this's where I know.

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But the more you do something, the better you get at it. Practice, practice, practice, repetition equals success.

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Consistency equals success. So I realized that that was what was missing. The more people I spoke to because they wanted to do these things, they had these goals.

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They wanted to get out of their job, create this property portfolio. Do this property business or another business.

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But they were lacking the confidence. So I tapped back into my previous coaching training. So when I did my PT training, I did exercise and throw on the play where I did life coaching and I pulled that back in.

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Interesting.

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And help people become more confident in themselves. They could go and create what they wanted to from the course.

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That they did that then didn't tell them they were running a business. So it was a few years later that we were looking at it and I was thinking, okay, so how people be confident.

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We're helping them to be healthier because that's like massive number one.

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And they're doing these bits and pieces but they're not realizing that actually you're now running a business.

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Hmm.

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And this is where the triangle of life comes in, health wealth and happiness. Because It's what helps you to find yourself rather than getting lost in the Bermuda Triangle.

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Your happiness is so important because life's too short to be miserable. Alright, it just is.

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Is it just? Hmm.

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As we said earlier, you've got one body to live in. You want your brain in your body to function at its best performance, peak performance, for capacity.

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And the wealth is not just about the money, it's your lifestyle, it's the business that you create, who you help, who's in your circle, who's who you're helping beyond that field.

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Hmm.

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So. Through the market. And through talking to people, that's how we developed. My mastermind working through a holistic approach, health wealth and happiness, and then took it to market.

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Brilliant. Brilliant. And I love the way that you explain how you drill down. It wasn't how to do, let's say property because they've done a course but getting to the root of things as you said the confidence in this case.

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Yeah.

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And it's a huge, huge thing so many people they worry while the people are going to think they they're scared of being judged, but people judge.

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Every single day no matter what you look like what you do How you feel, how much money you've got, whether you're ritual, you're poor, you've got red hair or blonde hair, brown hair, people are going to look at you, they're going to judge you.

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Yeah.

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Because that's human nature. I do it you do it everybody listening You know you you do that to other people, but that doesn't make you a bad person and that doesn't mean that you're taking action, you're just thinking something.

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And that's okay because you're a human being.

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Yeah. We're saleable, yeah.

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So exactly so you might as well do what you want to do with your life and create the business and the life that you want.

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Yeah.

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And be happy and judged. Rather than somewhere in miserable we judged.

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You said it in a nutshell, that is so, so true and I, I think this will resonate with a lot of the listeners because we're all at that's whatever state we're at we sometimes think it's the right thing what concerns are going to think and as you're saying it's sort of human nature to be thinking these things but yeah just go for it and do it

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and It, you know, if people are going to be unkind or cruel at the other end of the spectrum, we don't want them in our life anyway, do we?

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So.

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No.

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Oh, they're not your people. All you have to do is take the first step. And then take the next step and take the next step.

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Yeah.

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Half the big goal, the big vision. Be grateful for where you are and then just take the next step.

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And that's all you need to do. And let them judge.

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Okay. Yeah. I'm going back to what you said at the beginning, finding out what your market needs rather than creating.

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Our courses are putting loads of energy into something. That isn't going to to work at that particular moment.

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Okay.

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We see it happen all the time don't we and It's it's sad because that person's created a beautiful product but they it's not something that the market wants, so please.

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Okay.

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Right. Or that their audience don't necessarily need or wanted the speaking. The the wrong language to to the wrong people.

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And.

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Or the wrong language to the right people. That's why it's so important to connect with your audience and engage with people and understand their wants and needs and desires.

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No.

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So that you create something that that is going to help them.

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Yeah, absolutely. So, my another question I had is Okay, and we know that it's an unregulated industry, we're lucky to have you and other people that we all know who are absolutely ethical and brilliant at what they do.

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But how does that person is just looking around now thinking I want to try a mastermind, I want to go to a retreat but There's so many out there and so many ones that are not, let me just say it in this way, not the right for that person.

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So what are the sort of How would you advise someone to do, is there a checklist? You know, check this, check that.

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Yeah.

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Is there's there's a fair bit to it so some things for me I just instantly know are right And there's some level of intuition tapping into yourself.

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And that connection you have with the person. Running it. I would always advise to online stock people, check out their content, talk to them, send the messages, get on a call with them.

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Hmm.

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Understand what they do and observe them. And see if if you've got that right vibe and that right connection with them.

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If you like what someone's doing Don't be afraid to ask if they've got something that might be able to help you.

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And Like for me, I'm very, very particular with who I bring into my mastermind and to my retreats because

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That was going to be the next question, so go for it. Good thing.

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Yeah, I am very protective of my my people. And week because we talk about everything in life. It's a very, very safe space and everybody is very, very open.

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So people need to be the right fit. And they need to be a right fit for the group. And I would rather go 6 months of that bringing a new person in.

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Then bring the wrong person in. And that comes through building relationships and the key thing. So joining any mastermind or going through any retreat is the relationship you have with the person hosting it.

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And looking at their circle of people. Who are commenting on their posts? How are they engaging with people?

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Are they supportive? Are they rude? Are they do they look like they have the same or similar values to you?

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Do you you don't have to agree with everything everybody does and that's just impossible anyway, wouldn't life be boring?

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It would. Yeah.

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Yeah, live check, you know, have a conversation and that's the most important thing is the communication between you and other people.

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And that'll tell you, you know, ask them what what's going to be the outcome of me attending this thing?

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What am I going to get out of it? You might like you can't always measure success successes at linear.

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So some masterminds out there, they'll promise you 6 or 7 figures in 90 days.

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But.

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Okay. But we don't, we don't promise that. We promise that you will get out what you put in.

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That's fair.

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And you will get the level of success that you want and that you set up for yourself provided that you do the work and the provided that you listen to the advice and You take the action.

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Just because you join something doesn't mean you're instantly going to be successful, you have to do the work as well.

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So be willing to do the work. Talk to talk to the other people on the mastermind order going to the retreat as well like ask them how they found it, what they got out of it.

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And that way you'll get You'll get a sense check for yourself if the other people are saying good things.

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As a post to just the person running. I can Shout, I'm blue in the face of how amazing I am and I truly believe that but I know that because of the feedback I get from my clients and I asked about feedback so I can improve.

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So I always say to people go and talk to the people that are already here.

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That's really good advice and it comes back to the to our foundations that no life can trust, get to know someone that you're going to work with even if you're just purchasing a little $10 thing.

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So, something.

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It's the beginning of that ladder. Isn't it? Of of getting into someone's circle and making sure that's the right place for you because as you said we all know that we can help people for sure but we may not might not be the right person for that particular client and it's better to send them in another direction than

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Is that, and that's what I always say, if I'm not right for you, I'll likely know somebody who is.

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Yeah.

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No, it's understanding that isn't it?

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So I'm on offended if somebody says no. Because we're not all for everyone. And I can Yeah, and I generally will send someone somewhere else.

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I'm like, okay, this might be not, might not be right for you at the moment, maybe more later on in the interim, go and check out this person.

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Yeah, or, back in a couple of years because I think it'll be more valuable to you at that point.

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Something, absolutely. Yeah. And it's interesting you said about searching out because I remember the retreat I went on years ago.

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I did exactly that. I love the group of people, the value they added, etc, etc.

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I dug a bit deeper and they found out they did have a retreat and I think the fact that they weren't promoting it advertising it was in in a way that they could have done was that was a good thing.

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And it attracted the right sort of people and you're right the circle of people there as you obviously find on your retreat style.

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You got the same people in the room, haven't you? The same ethos, the same.

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Morals, ethics, ideas, interests. Broadly speaking, obviously everyone is is completely different. But Yes.

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Yeah, I'm some humor. There's like we we love a lot.

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Yes. But I went on was in the States and there was a lot of humor there because we just couldn't understand each other.

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UN.

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That connects people.

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So, human, humor goes a long way, doesn't it? And, Yeah, a hundred percent.

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Okay, so I've already asked you about sport, but it's still a big part of your life as you said.

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So what I I think we will probably both what we see is people often sitting at their computers for a long time, not taking a break, thinking they are working hard.

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And I don't know who will agree on this I think we will so I'll say I'm a great believer in getting away from the death, doing some exercise, changing your mindset and if it's not working go away for a day but you're the sport the coaching expert.

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What would you what would you advise people to do if they're sitting down all day?

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Our bodies are not designed to sit down all day and not move. I don't know if you'll have noticed how many times I've changed position so I've been sat here.

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I'm trying hard to sit still.

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Yeah.

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Oh, I'm such a pigeon. But that's because I'm not made to sit on our mums and If you're one of those people that is just sat there and you find like hours and hours a pass, you know, oh my goodness, I haven't moved.

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Alright.

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I'd sat an alarm to make you get up and move for 5 min. There was a study done over 2 groups of people for one group did 30 min of exercise continuously.

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And one group did 5 min of exercise. At different points throughout the day. And the people that did the 5 min throughout the day.

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Yes, clearly.

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The multiple 5 min throughout the day. Got more benefit than the people doing the one lot of 30 min.

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Okay.

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And I, I now, like, because I work from home, I've got my home office.

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I'll do something and once a call is ended I get up I move I'll make a cup of tea or go get some more water or go on the roof and just like stare at the sun for 5 min.

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But.

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But yeah, yeah. Because our muscles, we have muscles and joints for a reason.

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Hmm.

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Yeah.

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We're meant to move, where we were hunters like thousands of years ago and Everything's become such a convenience.

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Hmm.

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That people have become. Dependent on supermarkets and lazy by nature because we have the cup or lifestyle all of screens in front of our faces.

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And we wonder why people were getting neckache and backache and Connell syndrome. It's because we're not moving enough.

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Yeah.

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One of the ways I really like to advocate to work is using the Pomodoro technique. And that gets really focused.

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Right.

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So an hour and a half was 25 min work, 5 min break and you do that 3 times.

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And that forces you to focus without distraction so you don't look at anything any notifications other than the work you're doing.

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When that alarm goes on for 25 min, get up and move. I've moved from the chair.

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When knocking down the stairs, start a job, make a cup of tea, do some spot something, go and breathe the air outside.

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Yeah.

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I, the one you get so much done in that period of time but 2, your body feels better and your brain's able to, but 2, your body feels better and your brain feels better and your brain is able to function better because you've had that level of movement.

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Great advance.

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In between and the reason yeah we become so static and unfocused is because you haven't let the blood move around your body therefore the oxygen isn't getting to your brain like it's supposed to.

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Basic biology, isn't it? Yeah, I tend I don't know other people to same but I'll tend to get up and I had I was working with a standing in desk during COVID.

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It was so much better ever standing. Standing desk, that's another thing that you can do.

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A bit of housekeeping, something like that, but just getting getting moving, 100%. Now.

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Yeah, amount of times I work from like my laptop in the kitchen.

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I'm sure, so it's high.

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So he's got it on the counter. Yeah. Yeah, so, what advice would you give to someone starting out?

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They've discovered their passion. They know what they want to do to someone starting out. They've discovered their passion, they know what they want to do, whether whether it be network marketing, a service or product.

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What's, I mean, it's. How long is a piece of string but what would be?

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Cup of pieces. Yeah, it does depend on a lot. You got me.

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Hey, depends. Okay, I would say Map how your goals have a goal set a deadline and make it Almost unachievable.

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Because if you get halfway to one achievable you'll have achieved more than something achievable.

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Yeah.

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And putting a deadline on something helps you to really push forward for it. So if you imagine being back in school, a lot of people would leave their homework to the night before.

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Hmm.

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Cause you know you had to do it. And this is the thing, if you give yourself 8 h to do something or 2 h to do something, you'll take that amount of time to do it.

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Yeah.

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SAY, very strategic with your time. And allocate times to be doing certain things. So diorising is very, very important.

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I wish I'd done this a lot earlier in my

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In well in all of my businesses. But especially since I went online. So we as we as you know, we teach help of happiness.

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Huh.

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So I color closed my diary. Blue for health, green for wealth, yellow for happy. And they're they're nonnegotiables and they're in the diary and I can see that.

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And I've got that visual. So that diary notification pops up. They're the only notifications I have on.

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Right.

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Is the diary? Nothing else. I can't physically go into any app to see if anything's happened.

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And that way you'll start to look at things and go. Well, I'm, that's popping up, but I'm not doing it. Why am I not doing that?

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Is that something I could Oh, I really should be doing and I'm putting off. Could show so therefore should I keep it delete it or delegate it to someone else?

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Hmm.

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So I always prioritize tasks in terms of non-negotiable, urgent, the stuff with a deadline and then everything else is important.

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But definitely prioritize your time, put it into You're diary, turn every other notification off.

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Yeah.

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And work towards the dream and remember why it is you're doing what you're doing. Because if you don't want it enough it's not going to happen.

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It's okay.

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You have to like fire up under your ass to make it happen.

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Yeah, absolutely. That's really, really good advice because I've got to know a really good official pitch and I'll do more of this.

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I do some of it but I'm not doing it completely. Just cut out everything else, focus, get it down and the deadline is is so important because we feel the time we have don't we when we're really really, really do.

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We do. I, I book photo sheets in, purely for aesthetic, vanity reasons.

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But that helps me to stay focused, stay on track. And then other times I have strength-based challenges and deadlines for being able to pick up a certain amount of weight.

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So it's having that goal to work towards and if I know I've got a camera. I'm gonna have a camera in front of my face like in a bikini on a beach.

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Okay, there's biscuits.

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I'm not, I'm not, Okay, I'm not gonna know what we can make this.

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So, but it's, it's that and having those things in and remembering. Why you want to achieve that thing.

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Hmm. Yeah.

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And it always comes back to that purpose. Of what is it that I want to achieve? Why do I want to achieve it?

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What's the pain of me not achieving it and what's the pleasurable outcome of me achieving it or when I achieve it.

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Yeah, listeners just make a note of that pause this recording that you're listening to and make a note of what Natalie just said because that will really really help with success and at the end of the day as you said is what we do but that is solid good advice thank you.

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And Right now, customary, ask my, guests questions. I stolen it from Radius for Status Island discs.

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So imagine you're on a desert island. And that he doesn't know exactly which questions I'm going to ask her.

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So you're going to get 3 questions. So you So you're on a desert island, you can't have a boat by the way because a lot of people have chosen a luxury boats but knowing your interest in sport you can have one piece of gym equipment.

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What would it be? One.

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Oh,

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I don't know. Difficult decisions going on here.

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I'm having

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It would. It would probably have to be a cable machine because you can change the weight on it. If I had a dumbbell machine because you can change the weight on it.

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If I had a dumbbell, there'd only be one dumbbell, right?

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Never. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, the woody bit, yes. Kind of sets, yeah.

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And the cable machine you can do multiple things with as long as I can have all of the attachments.

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Or you could use lots and cut up trees or rocks or something. Yeah, okay, well, I, yeah, thank you very much.

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Now, one piece of music, of obviously going to Let you know that you have something to play, Tom, but your musical choice be garage.

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Also garage. Also.

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Okay, any particular?

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All of it. No.

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All of it. Because I have a favorite song. And if I think if you picked one song, you'd get sick of it within 24 h.

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Yeah.

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So if you're asking which genre of music I would like to listen to for the rest of my life if I had to pick one it would be our school damage.

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Well, he's amazing.

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I was actually asking which one piece of music I'm gonna be. Really down on this.

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Decision time.

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Do you listen to music when you're in the gym as well?

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This is Yeah, it's dubstep, jungle, drama base, old school garage.

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That kind of old school stuff from the 90.

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Yeah, some good music then. Okay, we'll go with that. Thank you very much. That's very different to any other guest choice.

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I appreciate that. Now a book you've got Shakespeare which someone actually wanted to not have you got Shakespeare and you've got your own book of faith of your choice, what other book would you take?

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One book.

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Oh.

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I would take to be asked this. Yeah.

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And lots of times.

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This is difficult because

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Fiction I like to read. Non-fiction I like to listen to

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It's not. Hmm.

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So. If it was one to entertain me to read.

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Again, I don't have a favorite book. I've read Anna Green Gables many a time when I was child of my nan and Heidi.

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Books in. Is someone else chose? Chris Bishop chose a childhood memory, a book for a child of memory.

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That seems where a lot of people are going. Happy Memories Associations.

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You'd have plenty on your desert island.

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Yeah, I think I've not read that for probably since I was 8 or 9. And of course, Oh my goodness, I'm Can I take a kindle?

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I don't want to run in the hospital. Okay.

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What are you saying? Okay. I think my listeners would disagree. Take a Kindle.

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Kindle your luxury. That's really smart. You see, she's a smart businesswoman, guys.

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All right, no thank you. Natalie, thank you so much for coming on the podcast today.

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Lots of nuggets. Lots of information for people. And we're going to put in the show notes exactly how people can contact you, how they can approach you for masterminds and all the social media.

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Contacts, that's okay with you, yeah.

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Yeah, perfect. Thank you very much for having me. I've really enjoyed this conversation. It has fired me up for this evening.

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And I'm gonna go and get creative in the kitchen, cook some chicken. Which is gonna, Okay.

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Oh, nothing. If it's not, that is over in the freezing, cold English weather at the moment, but you must miss some things about about you'll be in London, at the moment.

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Oh, I'm in London at the moment. There is absolutely nothing I miss about being here.

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Yeah, I must admit when I lived abroad I loved it but Natalie thank you very much indeed once more for coming to the show and again listeners look in the show notes it will all be fair and check out thatalia's social media science and everything she does.

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What an inspiration. Thank you very much indeed.

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Thank you