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The Hernandez and Cruise Show. Welcome everybody to the Hernandez and Cruise Show. It is October 11th at the time of this recording. Thank you so much for joining us. Week five in the NFL, and me and Mike are going to get into it with our teams and our top five teams for our conferences. After five weeks of great NFL football, mike, my guy, how you doing, how's your sports season going, being that October is that time of year where all the sports are basically going on.
Speaker 2:I'm doing good. How are you Sports wise? I mean, all my teams seem out of it, including the Giants right now. You know we started off one and four, but we're getting it out in a little bit. How are you doing after that loss to Jacksonville?
Speaker 1:Bro, I'm doing well, man, I can't complain. It's my favorite time of year. You know, you got all the sports simultaneously going on. You're right now. We got NFL, we got World Series playoffs going on, MLB basketball starting up at the end of the month. So it's that time of year I love it, man. Yeah, I'm a little down with the bills losing, but you know, without further ado, let's get into that Bill's mafia.
Speaker 1:I'm here to echo the words of our general, Josh Allen. Stay right here in the middle. And for the listeners out there, I'm holding my hand up right in the middle, because that's what Josh Allen says after every game in the locker room. He says don't get too high, Don't get too low. It's a long season and in order to win the chip you got to keep the ship steady. Just like in life. A lot of shit to overcome. We all got adversity and this week in London the bills were tested in adversity and it didn't come out in our favor this week, Mike, but I'm okay with that. You know, the first half we came out very conservative and out offense, A lot of three and outs. I think we really should have came out aggressive. The Jags came out aggressive. They went down and scored and then went for a two point conversion immediately to start the game off.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was interesting. I was surprised they did that.
Speaker 1:I think Doug Peterson is a smart coach and he really knew like hey, points are going to pre a premium that game. Because they were, and it was clear that their defense of line was dominating our offensive line, which is nothing new Usually, but for this year it is a little bit different. This is the first time I think our offensive line was tested. So I give all credit to the Jags. We couldn't run on them, they just bullied us on the line of scrimmage and usually whoever wins the line of scrimmage, they. The game tends to favor in their direction. But James Cook had minus two yards for the whole game. We couldn't really get anything going. I mean, despite our starters being out, because we had a lot of starters out. Greg Russo was out, our two starting cornerbacks were out, so they didn't make the trip. And then first quarter we lose our starting D tackle, our best defensive player, and you know that just goes to show you that, like I was talking before, you're going to have a lot of verse in the NFL and injuries are part of it and that was a devastating loss. We'll get more into injuries in a minute. But yeah, we lost our big playmaker, aj Epineza. You know credit to him. He stepped up, he did a lot of great defensive plays, he had some knock downs. He was a big integral part of that game. And then, going into really the fourth quarter, the game was 11-7, believe it or not, for those that don't know and it ended 25-20, but neither team really had an advantage. We have that history with the Jaguars since the 90s. They beat us in a wild card game in the early night in the mid 90s and then they beat us again in the playoffs when we first went back with Tyrod a few years ago. Bills are nine and eight all time against the Jags and you know that's kind of been our rivalry with them is it's always going to be a tough game, no matter where either team it is at, and I've seen like they've always been a thwart in the bills side. So I like these games, mike. I look forward to it because it really is a big testament to who the bills are at this time. So we're probably going to see the Jaguars in the playoffs or we're going to see the dolphins in the playoffs. So I know we played two playoff teams. We went one in one and that really is a good measuring, a good test for your team to see. Okay, this is where we're at. We know we're going to see these guys again. I enjoy that. They at least competing with other playoff teams.
Speaker 1:And you know, again, all credit to the Jags. They came out, they were, they were ready to play. By the time we got going it was too late. It was in the fourth quarter. We had a chance at the very end. We threw a hook and ladder Stefan Diggs and he tried to pitch it to James Cook and he fumbled and that ended the game. But for the most part I mean the Jags they ran it down our throats. With ETN, you know, he had a great game. Trevor didn't look that great. He had a few fumbles, really gave it to the bills.
Speaker 1:So right now the circumstances are hey, buffalo, you're down a lot of defensive players. But you know what this is. What I'm a firm believer in is. That's why they pay Josh Halen, stefan Diggs and Sean McDermott the big bucks. You have to overcome circumstances, no matter what it is Josh Halen.
Speaker 1:For years, buddy, you've been coming over to bad offense a line. You finally got a good offense aligned. Now your defense is down. Well, okay. Well, your defense is down. You think that's not going to happen in a playoffs or in a big game. So you know I'm okay with it. The bills are still on pace to make the playoffs and I got to stay steady until I can't no more, like I'm not going to get upset.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we lost some guys, but every team loses guys. And Mike, you're probably going to get into that injury report sooner than later, but you know that's what it is with the bills. I'm sorry, my quarterback makes 250 million. You better figure out a way to win, no matter what. You know and I think he echoes those words stay steady. And this is the first time I've heard him talk like that. You know what I mean. This is the first time I've heard him talk like that. You know, went on 3123, we got it. So Bills, don't fret, we're gonna be all right. Dorian Williams, the rookie he filled in for Milano pretty damn good.
Speaker 1:Now. Jordan Phillips and Tim settle, who are the backup defense tackles, y'all gonna have to step up, you know, because we lost they quant for the year and we've lost Milano for the year, and Right now I Get it. It's gonna be tough, but again, this is adversity in the NFL. No team is without it. How do you respond? Step it up. Everyone's gonna have to step up. Next man up.
Speaker 1:I don't want to hear excuses. I don't want to hear we don't have this person, we don't have that person. Because you know what? Nothing is perfect in life. Nothing ever is gonna go perfect in a game, nothing, no one's. Every player is not gonna be there and they're gonna have to learn, moving forward after this game, that they're gonna have to overcome the defense. So that means often you're gonna have to pick up the defense. You know, I mean, and that's it. So that's where I'm at, mike, with the game. It was a great game to watch. Unfortunately, it's on at 9 30 in the morning, so most people don't get a chance to watch it, especially the West Coasters. I know how that is. But yeah, mike, the bills three and two were second in the division. I'm okay, tough loss. But again, three and two. You got you know what? 12 more games to go 11 11, 11 left.
Speaker 2:So you know no, yeah, you're right, 12, 3 and 2, 5, yet.
Speaker 1:So yeah, so that's where we're at. You know what I mean? Bill's mafia. We gonna be good, we are. We got that. Do we got the team? They just got a win. I don't want to hear both. I don't want to hear shit excuses about guys being out. That's long gone. Every team deals with it. Can you overcome it? And, yeah, overcome it. Josh Allen, that's what you're paid to do. I.
Speaker 2:Mean with the injuries. One thing that you touched on with your corners being out, Orders yeah, but both corners being out.
Speaker 2:It definitely showed in that game, man, because Calvin Ridley and Christian Kirk combined for 200 yards on 13 catches. You know Ridley had over a hundred and Christian Kirk had six catches for about 78 yards. And then, like you said, etn yeah, he just really a Broke big runs. Especially I noticed that in the second half, including the touchdown, he had really to seal the game. But uh yeah, you know it's always fun when the bills play the Jags. In this sense, for me it's Josh Allen versus Josh Allen, one on offense, one on defense. So that's pretty unique. It's interesting that you say y'all are 98 all the time against the Jaguars. I never knew that, especially you know they were Expansion team and what think like 95?
Speaker 1:Yes, 95 around it so.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would have thought you would have had a better record versus the Jags than that. But, um, even with y'all being Through that stretch of how bad y'all were because I mean Jacksonville had a long stretch where they were not really acting like- 96 they came to league.
Speaker 1:The bill started being bad in the late 90s, like that was last time. They were good. So Jags came in a league at a right time because the bills went to shit right after like 97 I think Kelly's last season and then after that it was just you know, a shit show.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, they made the playoffs a couple times with Gerard and them and, uh, gerard and left which in the 2000s, but yeah, I wouldn't have thought y'all record would have been that bad versus them. Um, also One thing I noticed, man, is uh, it looked like to me and I would like to hear your take on this it looked like y'all abandoned to run a little bit too early. I understand y'all wasn't able to run the ball and y'all struggled to get pushed from the line, but it looked like y'all just went away from it too fast. What do you think about that?
Speaker 1:I think it's a good observation. Um, could they have tried more? I think so, but I don't know how the feel of the game was going for the offense at that time. They were trash and they were getting dominated. And I think maybe if they would have tried a few more with Damian Harris and Latavius, just kind of pounding the run a little bit, it might have changed the game. I don't know, you know. I mean, like you said, the passing game was good for both teams, like Stefan Diggs gave Davis, both went for 100 yards on each Six sketches and you know. So I don't know. I think You're right. I would agree. I think they should have tried more, but once it was evident we could not their their defensive line has dominated our offensive line In the run game. In the passing game we actually did great for protection, but when it came to the run for you know the run blocking it was terrible. It was just fucking terrible. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:It is what it is and another thing I wanted to mention is uh, where's gankade been at the last couple games? They don't really seem like y'all use him like y'all really could or should. I mean as far as just giving him targets and things like that, given that he's such a dynamic, big body weapon, I mean even using him as a decoy. It doesn't even seem like y'all do that a lot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, his catches. He's been fluctuating back and forth. One game, you know three or four catches, and then this last game he had a couple catches. I know he is dealing with an injury. Both our tight ends are dealing with injuries now. But, um, yeah, I don't know why they're not using him and I don't know if it's because there's too many mouths to feed with digs Davis, hardy, cook, shakir, like I don't know if that's what it's going on. Or Maybe he's not grasping the game, maybe he's not in position, I don't. You know that's a great question. I haven't heard any responses from Ken Dorsey, offensive coordinator, why he's not being utilized more. But yeah, that's. That's puzzling to me, mike, and another thing I wanted to hit on.
Speaker 2:I did notice Um y'all did son Josh, uh, josh Norman, at cornerback. He's 35 years old. You know he's been in the league for a decade. I know y'all had him previously for like a year. How you feel about that?
Speaker 1:Uh, he's starting to the practice squad. I don't know if he's in game. He's old and slow and we already old and slow in our secondary. Much props to Mike, a hide and join for you, but they look slow out there. I love them guys. They're in position. Their smarts keeps them in the game, playing as long as they do. But Josh, come on. When he was there last time it was horrible. I mean these guys are gonna have to step up Mike. I don't think Josh Norman is gonna make a difference.
Speaker 2:Personally yeah. I'm. I knew y'all signed him to practice squad but I thought it was kind of like a similar situation with us without Justin Pugh. You know it's gonna take him a couple weeks to get him right and then get.
Speaker 1:It might be yeah, you might be right on that. I don't know what does that say about my backup corners? Like damn y'all that bad. We got to go sign Josh Norman, like it. I mean I know it's for injury, because we're getting depleted there, because we're out two starters and I don't know if you know Elon is going to be able to step up, you know with Ben or with Dave Jackson. So we'll see.
Speaker 2:And it's crazy because last year y'all had secondary injuries, but it was to your safeties, this year to your corners.
Speaker 1:And our linebackers and now our linemen and pretty much everyone's injured, I think. I think our water boys hurt now so we might need to get a new one. I don't know, bro it is it sucks. But again, every team is dealing with that, bro, so I can't like it sucks. Don't get me wrong. Milano was on pace for a career year. He was. They said he was top candidate for defensive MVP so far because of all the havoc he's caused. But hey, it's rough man. But that's why good teams they need to have depth. You need depth because they know he's going to be, you know, everyone healthy at the same time. We can't get away. I wish all of them were healthy at the same time, that'd be amazing. But that hasn't happened yet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, too bad to say, man, you can't turn injuries off.
Speaker 1:Oh man.
Speaker 2:Because the Giants are dealing with the same shit too, with injuries, just from a different standpoint and different reasoning, at least from an offensive end. But yeah, man, I mean. So I'm going to touch on a little bit against our game versus the Dolphins, man.
Speaker 1:Go ahead bro.
Speaker 2:It was an expected shit show. Actually, we didn't lose by as much as I thought we would. So I mean, miami covered the spread. I think there were like a 12 and a half 13 favorite and they won by 15. So, yeah, they covered the spread. But damn man, you saw that whiplash. Daniel Jones suffered at the hands of the offensive line. It's crazy man. Did you see the highlight of, by the way, evan Neil? Like literally the Edge rushers literally went around him and Evan Neil did not even attempt to block him. Like it's sad, like that shit is just pathetic. And Todd Rod got hurt in the game too. He got the win knocked out of him, but he's actually going to be starting in the game in prime time, so he's starting against his old opponent. So I don't expect us to win. We're going to get our ass kicked when we play. Yo, what it is, what it is. I was hoping they flexed it out of prime time, but you know it is.
Speaker 1:They got a storyline with Dave O coming back to Buffalo. Maybe you know what I mean. I know I wish the Giants were playing great. It is like a big matchup. It would have been cool to see, but you know I get it, you don't want to see your team get their ass whipped on national television. I get that.
Speaker 2:No, it is a storyline, but I mean, given the other games that they have available, you would think they would have flexed that out. What it is, what it is. Yeah, man, I mean the storyline ain't going to be too much.
Speaker 2:The game is probably going to be over after halfway through the second quarter but, you know be interested in the sea, and I'm really interested to see if they're going to elevate Justin Pew this week, which I don't think so. But and speaking of entries, man Wala didn't practice today so he's probably looked like he's going to be out. You know they got him as questionable. They already ruled Daniel Jones out.
Speaker 1:Mm, hmm, andrew Thomas, oh, he is ruled out for Sunday. Yeah, yeah, time rise starting. Damn, that's crazy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, andrew Thomas looks like he's going to be out again. Say, kwan looks like he's going to be back. He's actually practicing today. Um, but as far as the offense goes and keep people, yeah, that's it for the injury report for us. But, like I said, it ain't going to matter Our season's over. It's funny because I've seen a meme I've said with New York Giant logo, I said the giant season fucking over, and it really is. And then I've seen a tank for Caleb Williams, one, two, like they had a tank with a giant logo. Hey, hey, hey, hey, man, I get it yeah.
Speaker 2:Um, but let's go back to this building Jaguars game, man, because I want to ask you what's your thought on international games overall, man, because I notice, um, in a sense you could say, the Jaguars had a bit of a competitive advantage coming into the game because they weren't London the previous week, so I believe they stood out there. It would have been smart of them to do that, so that's what I'm assuming they did, rather than going back to the States and then flying back out. But yeah, man, what's your thoughts on either international games? Well, as a whole, as a whole.
Speaker 1:Yeah, as a whole. I love it. I love the international game because they are trying to expand and open up our sport to the rest of the world, which is great. I love it, um, but it's funny. You mentioned competitive advantage. I watched an interview with Roger Goddell um before the for the game and he mentioned that the NFL is testing out this week If a team stays over their consecutive weeks, will they have a competitive advantage?
Speaker 1:Because most teams what they do, once they catch the red eye, they leave, like late Thursday, early morning Friday, and they tell the players sleep through, and then they wake up and stay all day when they land, just so they can get in the cycle. Now, this is what sports science is saying. So each department has their sports science, but for me, I think the bills made a poor decision in leaving late. I think if you know your opponent's going to be over there that long and have that acclimation Now don't get me wrong. The Jigs have somewhat of overcoming being away from their comfort because they're over in a different country, away from their families, away from their routines, away from their you know. So it all. It's all relevant how you look at it. What I say there might have been an obvious jet lag in the bills starting out maybe, but I don't know if that's an advantage. But I would say, at the end of the day, let's have both teams go over there. Let's not have the game at 930 in the morning when no one's really watching. Maybe have the game at seven o'clock their time, especially if you're going to be in London, so that'd be a one o'clock game here and make it a drinking event. But I don't understand why they don't do that. Hey, it's a week-long event. Let's maybe make it one or two games a year. Both teams go over there for the week. You know, see the sites, you know see the country over there, interact with the people there. But it seems like it's just, hey, we're in and out and I don't know how that's going to last, especially in areas of like London where they were reporting.
Speaker 1:Most of the people that go to these games are from Germany and or just American sports lovers, and I even looked in the crowd early in the morning at 930 and was seeing jerseys from Esau Tom Brady jerseys, esau Aaron Rodgers jerseys, esau Patrick Mahon Like. I've seen jerseys from like almost every team in the stadium. So I don't even know if the Jags are like considered a team that they even like there, but I know that's what the NFL is all about expanding and how much money can be made and if it would even be successful to have an NFL team over there. I know they're getting ready to look at Spain as a possibility. Germany, apparently, germany, they love it. They had a big turnout last year with it, I think, when the Bucks went there and it was huge ordeal and it was great and they love it.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, man, I think Buffalo just made the mistake and I think if any team makes a mistake unless they're doing the same travel, then that's different. But teams staying over there week, you're coming in later. Come on, guys, you don't need sports science, that's just common sense. Oh, we maybe need to go there earlier, like you know, and let I don't know, I just think it was dumb by the bills. But that's not why they lost.
Speaker 1:I think that is lost because they came out sluggish, like Alan and Dick said, and they actually did, like they weren't hurrying up to the huddle, they were just, you know, they were very conservative and often, like I said, it was disgusting. So I don't know, man, I like it, I hope it happens. But I think maybe an option too is like, okay, you want to open up this to people to watch, but like, what about people who live on the West Coast? Like they're going to wake up at 6 30 in the morning to watch, maybe not one of their teams even play. You know what I mean. So I don't understand what they're doing with that. So, yeah, that's. I guess that's my take, mike. I don't know if that answered the question or not.
Speaker 2:No, that was interesting. That was a good explanation. I really like how you put that on Cause. I'm going to tell you from mine I hate it.
Speaker 1:Oh, really I hate it because it doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 2:I could see if they did Canada, cause at least you know, every major league, every major sport in America has a franchise in Canada.
Speaker 1:So if they did that, that would make sense, and of course it's.
Speaker 2:Canadian football league. And I get to his expanding, you know, trying to get different countries and American football known and things like that and get more popularized, and you know, money and things like that. But I mean it also doesn't make sense to me, because if they're not going to put a team in one of these places, that they're doing it eventually. Why the hell are they doing this One very good.
Speaker 2:Two two, I don't think I don't think that's even possible for them to have a team in like London or Brazil or wherever, cause that would just be crazy travel for a 16, 17 game season. That's definitely a player safety issue which we know the NFL doesn't really care about anyways. That's a whole other discussion and the other thing I was going to say is um. Two is that I really feel like if they're gonna do these International games I know in the past the team that's gone in a national I don't know if it was all the time, but at least on Some occasions they've had to buy week after, you know, so they were able to recuperate and things like that after a long travel. So yeah, I think if they're gonna do this they already added extra week to the season. Why not add another extra week and just give teams two by weeks and then incorporate the London games that way and make sure they have the bye week After at least?
Speaker 2:yeah, that's great points or before, to give them more time to get up there or whatever, get acclimated. You know I mean. So that doesn't Make sense to me either. But yeah, I do like your point that you said you know, if they're gonna do these international games, make it to where it's nighttime over there, and I think they're like five, six hours ahead. So yeah, I'd be like one or two o'clock over here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that'd be that would make sense. And then they can have it like Maybe get an exclusive rights deal with either a streaming service or NBC or something along those lines, or eHow, even ABC, you know, the broadcast the game. I think that would make sense. But I'm just overall, from overall standpoint, I don't like these international games for football. I think other sports do it better when it comes to international Mm-hmm games. But I also think that's because it's easier for them to do it, given of the fact that they play and they're used to traveling Far anyways, and I mean NFL teams are too, but they're used to traveling a lot, I mean and those sports are more readily available to like basketball and baseball in a lot of countries.
Speaker 2:Not you know they may America's very, and they're playing multiple times a week. So yeah seems a lot more easier for them to do and coordinate.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, that's a really good point too, and I think the other, the thing you brought up, is like if they have a team over there, how they're gonna do it? Because they are they gonna have to live there. Do they have to give visas, is it? You know what I mean? Are they gonna be taxed based on that? You know countries, rules, or you know what I mean? Like just so much, like it's so much great. Can they have their family with them? Are they gonna? They can't have their family for six, like you know what I mean? I don't know seems a little. They're gonna have to buy apartments. Like how the fuck is that gonna work?
Speaker 1:But again, a billion dollar industry. I guess maybe you know, maybe they can figure it out. But I mean, hey, they could take a page out of the military book because I'm gonna tell you what you can go a lot of bases around the world. American got you pose, you got schools there, you got on base, you got everything you need. So I mean they could use maybe some of the bases. I have no idea.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I think expanding to.
Speaker 1:Is.
Speaker 2:I mean having a team expand to Canada would make sense.
Speaker 1:But yeah, it's, good.
Speaker 2:London or Spain, or pick whatever place you want that for out? I don't think it just makes sense.
Speaker 1:No, I don't think they should expand. I just think keep it as like a, an event oh, here's a, here's a London game, and that's about like they did. I think they did in Mexico before too, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, they did Mexico. That's what I'm saying, like, that's cool. I think it was chiefs, I think it was the chiefs, uh rams high scoring as game. Remember it was like 50 to 40, son, I think it was that game and I felt can we get a game in Puerto Rico?
Speaker 1:You know I'm saying, you know I mean like, Can we get a game, you know, in Hawaii other than the Pro Bowl? Like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Like I think that'd be cool. Hawaii especially, you know, there's a big uh Polynesian and Samoan culture and you know, and I fell on things like hell. Yeah, when it comes to, uh, you know, historically and all the famers and things like that. So Hawaii would make sense and, uh, I don't know, do they even still have the Pro Bowl Stadium there?
Speaker 1:I don't.
Speaker 2:I have.
Speaker 1:I have no idea, man.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I do think that would be cool because, yeah, I mean, you keep like you said, they had the pro bowl and that was a shitty game. Give them a real fucking game.
Speaker 2:Right yeah, I like that idea one um, I'm gonna go back to just point out some giant stats real quick over the last couple games, because I'm just, I gotta run on this line real quick, man. Over the last two games, man, daniel Jones been sacked 18 times. Well, between Daniel Jones and Tyrod, 18 times In two games, that's just pathetic. And so far this year, daniel Jones has 81 pressures, which is the third most binding team through a five game, through through the first five games since 2008 81 times. And keep in mind, he's fast. So just imagine how many more sacks he would have If he wasn't as fast. Now, some of these sacks are his fault because there are times where he holds the ball too damn long. But I looked up the advanced passing metrics and statistics and advanced analytics. He has Like four tenths of a second to throw the ball. You know, while other quarterbacks may have like one and a half, two seconds, he has like A half of a second. That shit is crazy.
Speaker 2:I had showed how pathetic this line really is. So I don't know, man. Um, I expect the same thing this week when we play off. It's gonna be a bunch of sacks, a bunch of quarterback hits. Um, it'll be interesting to see how well how well Tyrod Zeller plays and, uh, what they try to do on offense, and hopefully seguin's back for the sequence, back At least I would somewhat shift the dynamic of the offense and give us more, um, versatility and creativity hopefully, but even then you need to be able to block. But, um, I don't know, man, we'll see, it's not. It's not gonna be the game we were expecting to be.
Speaker 2:Right in July, we were first going into the season hyped up about the schedule and things like that. It's not. That, I mean, crazy thing is we're one in four, but if you look at the wild card spots, I mean we're like there's like seven teams ahead of us, but that just goes to show like how bad the nfc has been this year, um, that the wild card teams records aren't even really that good, but we're not getting a wild card spot. I don't want people to think that because, like I said, there's seven teams ahead of us and I don't think we'll. I don't want to say I don't think we'll win another game this year, but we'll struggle to win games.
Speaker 1:I don't think we'll outright win a game decisively um, yeah, I think it's been bad for y'all this year all around, and I I don't know what that's attributed to like You're saying, yeah, daniel's got some fault in this, offense lines got some fault in this, the defense Not tackling the offensive line, but you're not tackling too man, I'm not tackling, like the play calling, like I think it's all too, and and you, daniel Jones, I might don't take giants fans, don't take this the wrong way um, he's not gonna be able to overcome like the greats manning, brady, mahomes, montana, allen, like those guys are different.
Speaker 1:They can overcome that shit when and Daniel Jones, I just say he's probably about an average quarterback. I'm not saying he's bad, I'm not saying he sucks, but like he's not going to be able to overcome All that shit now, they did it last year. But like the reason seguan is so great because he's overcome that same shitty offensive line, he's like, no, I can still run for a thousand yards with a fucking shitty line. Those are great players he don't have, unfortunately, daniel Jones, you, like you said they're they're hurting a kid more than they're helping them because, like dude, he doesn't have that ability to do that. So he needs, if anything, extra protection, extra help, extra play calling where it's not. So on him, I guess, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2:Now that makes sense, and I mean, I thought he could have been like an above average quarterback. Um, but yeah man, his confidence is just shot, and who could complain him? I mean, no he takes. So hopefully he's not out too long. But however long he's out, it is what it is, because no matter who's the uh Quarterback, it's not really gonna help. The weird thing was with his injury they were initially saying like day to day.
Speaker 2:Um but then they were like he was like really sore so he didn't practice. But that's like expected when you take some kind of hits. So, um, I'm assuming he'll probably miss this week, probably come back next week. If not, he might miss two games max. But uh, he'll be back in there soon.
Speaker 1:I do have a question for you taking the beating.
Speaker 1:I got a question for you how many wins do you see? As I know you said the season over, I know you hate it life right now. I've been there many times with the bills. Mike, trust me, I get, I get how you feel. Um, how many wins you realistically see them now like, okay, we're one in four. Nfc, you said, is not as good as everyone thought it was going to be. There may be a room for you know A way to get through. How many wins?
Speaker 2:Uh, maybe four, no four. I'm serious Damn. If you can't block, how do I have confidence we're going to win a game?
Speaker 1:I'm being somewhat generous by saying four you guys may, you may not. You guys may end up getting Caleb. Is that what I'm, that what you're telling me, based on how bad it is? Uh, just out of, just because you guys are so bad Based off how bad it is offensively.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we might end up getting Caleb. We were. We might end up being in that top five conversation is what it's looking like. Whether it's Caleb, marvin, harrison, drake, may, an offensive lineman, whatever, we're going to be in that conversation somewhere in the top five. Um, here's my thing. Even if we draft a quarterback like Caleb Williams, who's who is extremely athletic and fast, and if we played him day one, it'd be the same shit. He'd be running for his life. Now he might be able to make more plays and do things like that and the offense may look different. It may look a little bit more successful, but, um, I mean, he'll take a pounding back there too.
Speaker 1:You're saying the Giants wouldn't do that. They wouldn't. They won't go get like you can. I'm not saying offense alignment are hard to get in the league period. Every team has that issue, not to the Giants extent, obviously but you don't think your, this organization, will go get it. This organization will go get some guys like hey, let's go get draft. And get some guys. If we get Caleb, like at some point the fucking GM is gotta be like hey, we got to protect this dude.
Speaker 2:I mean they've tried to protect him. You see, they drafted Evan Neil, they drafted the center. So they've tried.
Speaker 1:I mean they just haven't worked out.
Speaker 2:They've, yet they've even brought in free agents, but, like you said, it just hasn't worked out so far. And the thing is right now, um, we have cap issues, so that's really what limited us who?
Speaker 1:are you paying on his money to? I hope it's not the linemen Good Lord, they're not blocking shit, I mean.
Speaker 2:And the time has just got a big deal, but he's he's going to be worth it. He played extremely well last year. We paid all that money to Leonard Williams. We just gave a Leonard Williams big cat defensive linemen. I compared him to the modern day defensive end. He's been in the league for a while. I believe Josh Allen who was first five years has had 60.
Speaker 1:You know, so I had 52. Um, joe Shane took the job with Josh Allen. I salivate cap issues Because remember part of the thing was early on in their career Bradbury, high risk, high reward. That's not going to be coached out of him. He could afford him play like this to rest of his career. Cap issues.
Speaker 2:So cap issues has been a thing for a while now, and that's what happens when you have shitty GM's. Um, the end of the end of Jerry Reese, 10 years, was terrible. He made some financial decisions that got us into playoffs in 2016. I remember it's a boat trip, but it seems that we're going through the curse of the boat trip because since then, we've made a playoffs once and we haven't been good since 2016.
Speaker 1:Um, are they bad investments? Like they're paying? They're overpaying players. Is that what you're telling me?
Speaker 2:Yeah, like you haven't told me any great players they signed.
Speaker 1:I'm like they're going to get anybody money. They're going to get a big one or someone like don't give it to fucking your line. I'm not saying he's a bad lineman, but like shit.
Speaker 2:I mean we, uh, we signed the middle, we signed linebacker from uh coach. You know we'll see his own year one with that. We'll see overall how that pans out. I can go through some bad signings if you want to talk about bad investments.
Speaker 1:That's what it is. Is that what it is, though?
Speaker 2:That's, that's part of it. The other part is development. The other part is, you know, missing on draft picks, not necessarily bad signings, but missing on picks. But yeah, one of the biggest, uh, actually the biggest move, I believe uh, gettelman made a free agency when we had him was getting Nate's older. Remember him left tackle for the Patriots. He was asked for us too and we paid him all that money. He was terrible. Um. So yeah, bad investments is definitely part of it. It's been bad investments overall. Right now I don't even know if the Mara family cares about winning Cause you know there, there, uh there are a evaluation on the Giants, continue to go up.
Speaker 2:I don't know, I'm just saying that as an angry giant fan, but who knows? I mean, let's be honest, a lot of these, uh, sports franchises, their owners don't care if they win, as long as they make them money. These teams are like toys to them. There's a lot of them that don't care. There's a lot of them that do care, right, but uh, we'll see is to be continued All right?
Speaker 1:Well, with that being said, mike, let's give the fans what they've been tuning in for outside of our games. Me and Mike are going to go over our top five uh teams. He is going to be the NFC representative, mike. He's going to give me his top five. I'm going to be the AFC representative and we'll give you my top five and then we're going to comment on each other's five, and it's only week five, and maybe week 10. We'll do a top five after you know 10 games have played. So, uh, without further ado, mike, how about you start us off with the NFC, your top five teams? If you want to make any comments along the way, please do. Uh, let's get it. Give us your top five.
Speaker 2:My top five is 49ers one, eagles two, I got the lions third, I got the Seahawks fourth and I got the Cowboys five. Now I'll explain why I put them in this order 49ers it makes sense.
Speaker 2:They're just been.
Speaker 2:Uh, you saw how what they did to the Cowboys and just dominating them and uh played well all year. And you see the offensive firepower. They got Brock parties panned out and bounced back from his injury. They look very scary. Uh, the Eagles continue to be on their roll. Um, but right now I think the 49ers is stronger all around team than the Eagles. Um, so that's why I have the Eagles two. I have the lions three because I really like what they're doing and what they got going on with. Uh, dan Campbell. He's really changed the culture there. Uh, Jared golf has proved he's a above average quarterback and um, they, david Montgomery's had a bounce back year. Um, defensively they've been hanging in there too. They beat the Chiefs opening week, so that says a lot.
Speaker 2:Um, the Seahawks number four. I mean I just don't really I put them for because I really don't believe in dacking the Cowboys. I mean it seems like whenever the Cowboys play good teams, they always fold. So that's why I got the Cowboys fifth really. But um, both Seahawks and the Cowboys have a bad losses. So I mean it could be a toss up between those two. You could reverse those order, but I like my top three for sure. But what do you think about my top five? But that's my top five, I'll say it again 49ers one, eagles two, lions three, seahawks one, cowboys five. Love it, mike.
Speaker 1:I think I'd have the same exact teams. The only wins I would switch would be Niners and Eagles. I'd have Eagles number one, niners number two. And the only reason the Eagles haven't lost since New Year's Day last year. No NFC team has beat them in a long time. So that's it Because the Niners and Eagles. You know, the last time they played Eagles one. So I mean that's, I'm not mad if the Niners are first or the Eagles are first, like, but that's why I did. I was like, well, these boys last time they played day one. So I'm going with them and they're both undefeated, one A1B, one A1B, everything else.
Speaker 1:I like what you said, man, and I'm honestly, the Cowboys I'm not even I'll have any faith in at all to make the playoffs. I don't even think. I don't know if they're going to make the playoffs and I had them in the playoffs as a wild card but I don't have any confidence they're going to.
Speaker 2:They're going to make it Okay Maybe.
Speaker 1:No, if they don't make it, I'll be shocking.
Speaker 2:I'm not even going to be biased or anything like that. If they don't make it, it'll be shocking. I would agree based on, but I would love it if they don't make it.
Speaker 1:That would definitely be hilarious. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2:I guess like, yeah, if there's enough bad teams, they do beat up on the bad teams.
Speaker 1:I will be like I'm going to be like I'm going to be like I'm going to be like I'm going to beat up on the bad teams. I will agree with you there. And then when they play them big dogs, they get, they get their hands knocked in. So I don't know.
Speaker 2:We'll see. Hey, one thing I was going to say you've got a steal line from Pedro Martinez when the Yankees whipped his ass and he said sometimes you just got to tip your cap and call the Yankees my daddy. So in this case, the 49th is the cowboys daddy. Make a day. Well, outside of that one close playoff game that Jimmy Garoppolo gave away and 49 is still one. Yeah, I mean 49 has been at one side of the fair in that rivalry.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure I like it man. I'm no argument for me, bro. I just switched the two teams around, but that's it, everything else. I agree with the Lions. They are the nice surprise. I mean. I think we both had them making the playoffs. You had them in the division, I'm at them wildcard, but they're looking like. I've actually watched two full of their games and they look really good all around like offense, defense. They don't do a lot of dumb shit. So, and that Montgomery man, he has been a fucking tear on offense and obviously that Hutchinson I think his name is on the defense at end.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's a beast bro.
Speaker 1:Oh my god, he can take over a game. He's gonna be. He gonna get a big payday. He gonna be like one of them Bosa paydays type shit if he keeps playing like this.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, he's only in year two, so that's a scary thing. That's what.
Speaker 1:I'm saying I'm like man, this kid gonna be, he gonna be one of them. Watt, motherfuckers, you know Watt coming off the end, or Bosa, and just like fuck this guy's no joke man, yeah. And then, yeah, the Seahawks. You know it's Pete Carroll. I trust Pete Carroll. He knows how to win. He's always had a good program.
Speaker 2:I mean, look who he's done with Geno Smith, yeah but in Gino's defense, he never really had a shot in the league up into Seattle. I mean, when he was with the Jets. He kind of messed up the situation himself when he punched a dude in the jaw, but even then the Jets were shitty. So I mean, even if you would have had a shot there a legitimate shot, long-term it's the Jets he wouldn't have done that in there. So yeah, I mean this was his first real shot in the league and Second year as a starter and done really well.
Speaker 1:We should have kept him.
Speaker 2:We should have kept him yeah. Well but yeah getting to the AFC.
Speaker 1:All right, let's talk AFC now getting. These are power rankings. These aren't the standings. But number one everyone can probably guess is this gonna be the Chiefs. They are the standard of the NFL. They have a top 10 defense, I think for the first time in my home's career. So if his offense isn't playing well, which they're not right now, until they, once they get in sync and they have a good defense, it's gonna be tough. Number two the Jags. They just beat the Bills, their contenders, last year. They have a great defense. They're on the rise. Number three Buffalo Bills. They got a top five offense. They had a top five defense until recently in them. Again, they're the AFC East Kings. They're in the playoffs every year. They're gonna be a good team.
Speaker 1:My number four is gonna be the Dolphins. We all know about the offense and and their defense is really their Achilles heel. Unfortunately it is lost. They're running back a chain. I think now is reported up to five weeks Sucks for them. And then my number five, which is my surprise, but I don't think. I don't know if they're gonna stay there. I got the Steelers only because they're the top of the toughest division in football. I Don't think they're gonna stay there. I think the Bengals are gonna eventually take it over, but that's my five, mike.
Speaker 2:Okay. So I Disagree with a lot of the teams and I definitely disagree in the order outside of the Chiefs. Yeah, I agree with the Chiefs part, but I would say the Dolphins is two, that's where I would put them. Three Jags yeah, legitimate case Jags and Then four. I got y'all with the Bills. Mm-hmm and then five. I got Baltimore. Mm-hmm that would be the order I would put them in. But uh, yeah, I mean I think Chiefs and dolphins are definitely one two in the AFC right now.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:But all them teams defensively. It seems like they need work. Mm-hmm yeah that's the thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the thing with the Steelers is like their offense sucks, but obviously they just beat the Ravens. Yeah they're defense because they got like a one-man wrecking show. But I don't trust their offense, but I put them now.
Speaker 2:I had to give them credit, right and the defense also helped me win in fantasy.
Speaker 2:Oh, for real when they played not week two, I think, when they played a Cleveland. Oh yeah, that was like another week that they did it too, because they gave the Sean Watson fits. Um, but since we, since you brought up the Steelers, did you see the hear the story about a JJ? Why I mean TJ? Why, yeah, about how, like he dislocated his finger, popped it back in and like messed up ligaments in his thumb and just played like nothing.
Speaker 1:Oh, I don't know if.
Speaker 2:I'm a finger person like that.
Speaker 1:I believe it I believe it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, football players are crazy man.
Speaker 1:Fucking. That is all, man. That's a cool story, I feel like yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:Shit sounds painful, but yeah, I mean typical. What family heritage and? Yeah football in general. Man didn't then. Didn't Ronnie Latt supposedly like Cut a finger off or some shit like that to be able to play? I think they had to do something to it, yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know if it was like an amputee or what, what it was, but they had to do something. I can't remember the exact story, but that's a good one. You know, jim Brown played a whole season with a broken foot. I mean the story anyone, and I think he wanted MVP. What a broken foot. That's fucking like the whole year. These motherfuckers, man, they put their bodies through hell and I get it. That's why they get paid the way they do, man. But shit, a lot of injuries. And then I feel I mean they just lost. Just Justin Jefferson is out now. I mean like it's just like one one player after another.
Speaker 1:Bro, it sucks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it definitely does um. So what was the exact injury on Matt Milano?
Speaker 1:It was some. I know it is leg knee. I didn't. I don't know if they bring back the scans yet, because they were did. They did say he's gonna be out for the year. He has to get surgery. It's pretty on the knee. I'm not sure what in the knee.
Speaker 1:Fucked up but his whole leg, his whole leg is in a cast, so I haven't seen exact injury, what it was there to saying I think Buffalo Bills Instagram had his knee. I'd have to double check on that, but you know it's one of those things. And you know Vine Miller he played and he's on a pitch count and he had to knock off the rust, so we're gonna get him back. So, yeah, we've lost some defense players. We're gonna get a couple back, which is good. We're gonna get Russo back, I believe, for the Sunday night game. It sucks we don't have day Quan, but you know, like I said, those guys are gonna have to fill in for him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, the crazy thing was, I know Matt Milano was filling in for a remain Edmonds, and then unfortunately he went down. When I say fell in, and I mean that because of course your laws Edmonds in our free agency, mm-hmm. But yeah, man, we'll see how week five goes.
Speaker 1:I Teams Johnson.
Speaker 2:Cruisbo ain't gonna be what it was thought to be, but it is what it is I, you never know any given Sunday.
Speaker 1:I do know that is true. In football, crazy shit has happened. So you know, I hope it should be a blowout mic. I agree the Bills are the better team and it's Brian Dable homecoming and I hope, you know, I hope it's an ass whooping. But I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna predict anything crazy. I'm just gonna sit back like I will hold on. You know, cuz, like you know, anything can happen.
Speaker 2:As long as it's not as bad as when we played like the Cowboys week one. I mean I got no hope for this team. We're missing.
Speaker 1:We're missing five starters on defense, so I mean maybe six. So that might be it. That might be a help for y'all.
Speaker 2:No, the backups is gonna get there, the back up.
Speaker 1:You got no faith zero faith in the line, zero just, anybody can get back through there.
Speaker 2:Anybody gets past seven. No, he don't even try.
Speaker 1:That's the right tackle is, say, one playing in this game. I don't remember if you said that, or not.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I did say it looks like it's. It looks like he's leaning towards playing, from all indications he's practicing. He did more practice today, I so looks like he's on track to play, but We'll see. Come game time, given that it's a night game. You know, okay, the report's gonna come out later today, but I mean later on Sunday, I'm pretty sure, unless they roll them out before that. But We'll see.
Speaker 1:All right, what are y'all? Have it NFL week five wrap up Giants bills this Sunday, tune in next week. You can have our reactions and that's all folks peace.