Therapy for Hope & Restoration | The Other 6 Days | Episode 68

A new year often brings new goals—but it can also surface old wounds, familiar patterns, and unanswered questions. In this episode, we invite you into a thoughtful, grace-filled conversation with Rachelle Roberts and Albert Martinez from Wellspring Counseling Center.

Together, we explore what healthy change actually looks like, why relationships can be both the source of our pain and our healing, and how faith and counseling can work together to bring real restoration. With honesty, compassion, and clinical wisdom, Rachelle and Albert help us rethink habits, name obstacles, and move toward hope—one step at a time.

This episode isn’t about quick fixes. It’s about helping people find renewal, resilience, and trust in a God that is still at work in the places we feel stuck.

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Transcript

Welcome And Icebreaker Game

SPEAKER_03 0:01

Hey everyone, welcome back to another episode of the Other Six Days Podcast. So we're we've chat about life outside of Sundays and what it means to live from our gatherings and not just for them. In this episode, we're joined by two people who are not only incredibly gifted in what they do, but who have faithfully stepped daily into some of the hardest and holiest spaces of people's lives. From our very own Wellspring Counseling Center, I'm honored to welcome Mrs. Rachel Roberts and welcome for the very first time Albert Martinez. Together, they bring wisdom shaped by professional training, real life experience, and a deep trust in God's work of renewal. Today's episode isn't a therapy session, but it is a conversation that might just help you discover some hope-filled opportunities as we step forward into this new year. Welcome, you guys. Oh, thanks. Good to be back. Yeah, so excited to have you back. That's good. I know. Last episode was uh everybody loved it. If you didn't check it out, go back and uh rewatch Rochelle's episode. It was so amazing. She was.

SPEAKER_04 0:55

She was. She set the bar up.

TikTok Advice Or Therapy Wisdom

SPEAKER_03 0:57

She did, Albert. No pressure. No pressure. So, Rochelle, you know how we roll uh from the last time you were on, but Albert, uh, we like to kick things off on our podcast with a little icebreaker that's fun as we get to know our guests. So today we're gonna play a game called TikTok Advice or Therapy Wisdom. You guys ready?

SPEAKER_00 1:12

Oh, we are ready.

SPEAKER_03 1:13

All right. I'm gonna read off some statements and then you decide if they're uh therapist wisdom or tick tock advice. And then feel free to share the truth that's underneath the statement, you know, or uh even push back if there's nuance. Oh right? Here we go. Uh if they wanted to, they would. Oh man.

SPEAKER_00 1:29

If they wanted to, they would. That's gotta be TikTok. I don't know about therapy.

SPEAKER_04 1:34

I've never told that. Yeah. TikTok. TikTok for sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:39

Okay. All right, perfect. You guys nailed it. Done. Next. That was an easy one. That was easy. You started easy. All right. It'll get harder, hopefully, from here. Uh healing isn't linear.

SPEAKER_04 1:49

Healing isn't linear. Psychology. That's definitely linear. Oh, is it?

unknown 1:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:53

Oh, I should have. I should have I need to consult with people. Sorry about them. What do you think?

SPEAKER_04 1:58

Definitely psychology.

SPEAKER_03 2:00

Yep, you guys are right, therapist. Okay. Uh, your nervous system is addicted to chaos.

SPEAKER_04 2:07

Oh. Um, it it depends. Some people can be addicted to that chaos, I think. So I would say yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:14

I'd say yeah, psychology.

SPEAKER_04 2:15

Psychology.

SPEAKER_01 2:16

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 2:16

I love that. They said uh so they say, as in TikTok says, I'm just kidding, is it's half true. So both you hear it there, and then yeah. Yeah. So you guys are right. No, yeah. Got it. Um next one. Uh God won't heal what you won't acknowledge.

SPEAKER_04 2:30

God won't heal. I mean, God can heal anything. We dominate. Well, it does say, I think, that you know, that we're in cooperation with Christ. So we you know, there has to be our part in it too.

SPEAKER_01 2:43

So well, and and then when we look at say confess our sins, he's faithful and just to forgive us our sins.

SPEAKER_04 2:50

Absolutely. We have to act.

SPEAKER_01 2:51

Cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

SPEAKER_03 2:53

I agree.

SPEAKER_01 2:53

I don't know if it's TikTok, but it's scripture.

SPEAKER_03 2:56

It is, so it's faith on TikTok that people were just exercising. So it was kind of a tricky one. It was tricky.

SPEAKER_02 3:02

So we knew it wasn't psychology. Psychology, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 3:05

So you got it right. Yeah. Those the half ones are kind of a weird space. Halfies. Uh boundaries are not unloving. Psychology. You guys knew that one, yeah. Another easy one. That was a softball pitch, I guess. Yeah. Uh you don't uh owe anyone access to your piece.

SPEAKER_04 3:23

Oh, yeah. Um psychology, yeah. You don't owe anybody anything to your piece. I would say I'm gonna say what are you gonna say? I'm gonna go back. Let's do TikTok.

SPEAKER_01 3:36

You can just say TikTok.

SPEAKER_04 3:37

I'm gonna do TikTok. Even though I don't have TikTok, I'm gonna say TikTok.

SPEAKER_00 3:41

TikTok. Okay. That's a breakbound.

SPEAKER_03 3:44

What do you got? You got TikTok to say? Okay. It is TikTok, but it needs nuance, is what they say. It says peace matters, scripture values, reconciliation when possible, but you know, it's truly emotional, it's kind of taken too far, I guess, and maybe a little excessive. I can see that I can. That's good. Uh forgiveness means you have to trust them again. No, so not.

SPEAKER_04 4:05

No.

SPEAKER_03 4:06

No, not Jared. I don't forgive these things. Take it off.

SPEAKER_04 4:10

In my heart, I do.

SPEAKER_03 4:12

Yeah. Totally, totally wrong. Yeah. Yeah. Forgiveness is commanded, but trust is built. That's right. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 4:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:18

Uh your trauma response isn't a character flaw.

SPEAKER_04 4:22

Your trauma response is flawed.

SPEAKER_02 4:23

That is that's a psychological um. In the body keeps score, actually.

SPEAKER_03 4:28

Oh, yeah. Nailed it. She said. Oh, I love this so much. If it's God's will, it won't be hard.

SPEAKER_04 4:42

That's wrong. That's false. Um on all accounts. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:46

Yeah. That's just wrong with it. TikTok.

SPEAKER_01 4:48

So it must be wrong. There you go. TikTok is wrong.

SPEAKER_03 4:52

Even if it's right on TikTok, it's wrong. Um emotions are information, not instructions.

SPEAKER_04 4:59

I mean emotion. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:02

Say it again.

SPEAKER_03 5:02

Emotions are information, not instructions.

SPEAKER_04 5:05

Yeah.

unknown 5:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 5:06

True. Psychology is like psychology. Psychology.

SPEAKER_03 5:09

Yep. Perfect. Got it. Ding ding. Man, you guys are good. I just, I don't know what I expected. I mean, I'm gonna have to make it harder the next time. I think sweaty. No, you guys do.

SPEAKER_04 5:19

You guys can't tell I'm sweating then.

Meet The Counselors And Their Approach

SPEAKER_03 5:21

Yeah. I was sweating for you. So help our audience get to know you guys uh a little bit better. Just kind of quick snapshots, maybe of who you are, a little background, credential specialties, and focus, and then maybe how you ended up where you're at. You know, just some quick overview.

SPEAKER_02 5:35

Well, you know, let me let me go first. Okay. Um I've worked been working with couples in crisis for a long time. So I specialize in couples in crisis, but also working with addictive behaviors, um, also in individual therapy with with persons that seem to have lost their way in their self. Um but I started specializing in with couples is when I worked with um men that were incarcerated and had to be um brought back together with their their spouse or their girlfriend or their family. And that's where I really got the interest in couples and seeing the work that can be done and how healing can happen.

SPEAKER_05 6:10

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 6:11

And and so that's a little bit of what I do.

SPEAKER_04 6:13

Wow. I didn't know that she's being modest. She's she does a lot more than that. But um, yeah, I I'm a newbie. Um I've been doing therapy for about four to five years, four years, solid. Um, I started with families actually. So I'd actually go into their homes and conduct um family therapy. Um then from there, um, I went to yeah, I did uh younger, actually kids again. I worked with kids like teens. And then then I found Southwest and I fell in love with Southwest at the time. Now we'll spring. Um catch. But yeah, I I've um I I do a modality, it's called internal family systems, and it's really cool. But I really pay attention to like Allison Cook and their people that basically understand internal family systems, but they layered the um the Christian and biblical um layer on top of that. So it just it just makes it even better. But um, but yeah, that's that's me. That's great. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:12

Um yeah, thanks for sharing that. Commerce. Um so let's recap this past year at previously it was previously known as the Southwest Counseling Center, but now Wellspring Counseling Center. But talk about some of the successes that you guys have seen this last year, some of the things that you guys are proud of that you guys are doing, you know, just kind of elaborate a little bit on that.

Wins From A Year Of Counseling

SPEAKER_02 7:31

Well, we had a great year this past year. We we saw over 500 individual sess uh people. Oh uh over a hundred and seventy couples. So that was fantastic.

SPEAKER_03 7:43

That's a huge uptick.

SPEAKER_02 7:44

And um 2,400, a little over 2,400 um sessions completed in this year. So there was we we've accomplished a lot by seeing so many people, as well as it it wasn't just people from Southwest or Wellspring Church, it was people from out in the community. And that's what was so exciting is that we had even people um that were finding their relationship with God again, where they had given up or hadn't never had a relationship with God, but God used this tool of the Wellspring Counseling Center to bring people to faith again, and it was fantastic.

SPEAKER_03 8:21

Oh, that is great. So you saw an uptick then in community engagement and stuff. Oh, that's so wonderful. That's what we were hoping for. That's so good.

SPEAKER_04 8:28

I do want to add that I had my first person um submit their life to Christ in a session. I mean, I never thought that was possible, but uh yeah, that happened this last year, and we got to chuck it up in the numbers. And um, but it was amazing. It was amazing just to have that happen. Like this guy's like, yeah, I don't know what I was like, why don't you invite Christ into your life? And he's like, Yes. And I was like, let's do it.

SPEAKER_03 8:54

That is so cool. What a great opportunity. Oh my gosh. Wow, you don't hear that often in your and you're not taught that in school. That's what I'm saying. That's like way outside of the scope, right?

SPEAKER_02 9:04

Because because psychology is is very humanistic and it's teaching you on self-reliance. And that's why this blend of what we're doing, this integration, it's saying, wow, you can have so much self-reliance, but ultimately you need God reliance and have that relationship. So that's good.

SPEAKER_03 9:22

Oh, that's so good. Oh man, I love it. Um so uh what are some of the biggest barriers that you guys are uh that you guys are kind of encountering, uh encountering obstacles, hurdles, you know, things that you're currently see currently seeing. Um I don't know. Um maybe areas of greatest need kind of going on.

Barriers For Men In Therapy

SPEAKER_04 9:38

Yeah, you know, um I I'd like to fo I focus a lot of my um graduate time with uh understanding men in therapy. So um the I would say the barrier now with men is that it's so new. It's it's a new concept that men are coming to therapy. And um, you know, given a lot of the research prior to this age, is like there was a lot of research done on women because they were the predominantly the the the subjects in a lot of psychological tests, and you know, so there's a lot of research on women and how they experience therapy and how they process things, and not a lot on men. So now that we're having this kind of um, I don't say revival, but of men coming and and wanting therapy and and finding that they need it, you know, it's it's it's brand new. So we're it's very new, it's very interesting. But you know, there there is a difference between how men and women kind of process things, you know, we're very linear, men can be very linear thinking. And I find a lot of men, the barriers and some of the issues is that they don't know what they're feeling. Like I had a guy who's just like, he's crying, and he's like, What is going on? It's the first time I asked, I was like, You're processing like a very deep emotion right now, that's what's going on. And he's just like, Really? I was like, Yeah. He's like, I've never felt that. I was like, welcome to healing. Healing with therapy. So I would say that that's one of the barriers, it's just not a lot of you know, information still there is it's coming in, but you know, men are still new to this whole therapy thing, and us as therapists have to kind of be equipped to meet their needs and meet them where they're at, basically. So it's a very slow process with men, but man, I got some guys that are willing and and wanting to do the work. And when they do, man, you see, I see very quick change and quick um healing happen. So they want it. It's just, you know, there's still some stigma out there that's not the manly thing to do. Um, and I'm gonna say it is, it's the manly thing to do. Um, but one of the things, I don't know if you mind if I read this excerpt, but it's a pretty cool excerpt. I I loved it. And it's it's from this book called Under Saturn's Shadow, um, the healing or the wounding and healing of man. And he takes this extra says, the man must bear the burden of the shadow uh consciously, for such a man knows that whether is wrong in the world, what is what is wrong in the world is wrong in himself, and is only to learn to deal with his own shadow. He has done something real for the world, he has succeeded in shouldering at least an infantismal part of the gigantic unsolved social problems of our day. These problems are mostly so difficult because they are poisoned by the mutual projections. How can anyone see straight when he does not even see himself and the darkness he unconsciously carries with him into his dealings? Basically saying the best thing you can do as a man is to heal inward so that you don't project outward.

SPEAKER_05 12:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 12:45

And there's scripture on that, Luke 6, 2 Corinthians. It's it's the fruit within is gonna the fruit, and then um God comfort us so that we should comfort others we can if we're wounded or hurting.

SPEAKER_03 12:57

Oh yeah, and I saw scripture weaved all through all that. I was like, wow, those weird.

SPEAKER_02 13:00

Well, and I I know that sometimes men um have that difficulty of coming into therapy because they believe that it would somehow demasculate them by connecting with their emotions. And that's why I enjoy working with Albert, because he's he shows them that hey, you could be completely a man in therapy and and still have tears and have emotions that you're connecting with and having that process of healing in in therapy.

SPEAKER_04 13:27

I think we get stuck, CJ, on the model of the worldly man.

SPEAKER_03 13:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 13:32

And we forget that we're not in that mo we're not in that mold, we're men of men of God, and Jesus wept. Jesus experienced every emotion. So why why can't we as men experience it? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, but um That's right. That's the issue.

Women, Comparison, And Thought Distortions

SPEAKER_02 13:48

Well, um women, uh, I find that one of the things women have is is their comparison. They're constantly comparing themselves to each other. I even notice this, you know, just walking around here sometimes. Um that that comparison then, whether it's on social media or even in going to women's Bible study, um that comparison then leads to discontentment. And they start then saying, I wish my husband was like Ricky.

SPEAKER_05 14:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:20

Well, you know, and ask April about Ricky. You know. And it's that discontentment that w that's bringing women to therapy. They don't realize it. They're they're calling it I'm depressed or I'm anxious.

SPEAKER_01 14:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:32

But it's because they're focusing on comparing themselves to other people, these lives that are on social media that aren't real, they're fake. But they are then bringing that into an internal system into their their thought life, which then is is tearing them down.

SPEAKER_04 14:48

Comparison's a thief of joy. That's TikTok, by the way.

SPEAKER_02 14:52

What say that again?

SPEAKER_04 14:54

Comparison is a thief of joy.

SPEAKER_02 14:56

That's right.

SPEAKER_04 14:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:57

Comparison is TikTok. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 14:59

That's so insightful.

SPEAKER_02 15:00

No.

SPEAKER_03 15:00

No, I'm just gonna think No what Rochelle what Rochelle said wasn't that. No, sorry. Yeah. No, but it really is the comparison piece. And that's a there's a lack of awareness, even that that's happening, right? I mean, it's because it's so slow and it kind of matriculates, and then they end up or like somehow it's them, they don't know what's going on, maybe, or where that comes from.

SPEAKER_02 15:18

Yeah. Wow.

SPEAKER_03 15:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:19

And so so what they're doing is they are absorbing it by what they're seeing, they're hearing, they're, you know, reading. Yeah. Um, and then it's it's giving them thought distortions without even realizing it. And then they're coming in, he never, yeah, he always thought distortions. Because you know, and then it causes us to be dissatisfied in our relationships, um, even with our children. We start to compare them to other children. Well, they make straight A's. How come my kid's an idiot? Well, you know, and in realizing that what is being presented, we absorb it into ourselves, and then the enemy, which many times is ourself, yeah, creates the distortion and then it becomes the lens of our experiences. We start to see things through this distorted lens. And we gotta so women with comparison, gotta do that. And with couples. Couples, um, really one of the main things that I work on is really teaching couples what love is. They they have no idea really what love is.

SPEAKER_04 16:26

That's so big.

SPEAKER_02 16:27

So it's um it's a fantastic that we were talking about this the other day and we were watching on someone on that. And how we have to go when they're saying, I love him or I love her, but they treat each other horribly. I'm saying, no, no, no, you're you're not loving. Let's go to First Corinthians 13. Oh wow. Let's talk about it. And um, yeah, that takes it down. So those are the some of the the areas that we deal with.

SPEAKER_04 16:51

That's psychology. That's psychology, by the way. Not TikTok.

SPEAKER_03 16:54

Oh man, I know this is probably this is gonna stir a lot of emotions for a lot of people because those are yeah, those hit home right there for sure. And yeah, it's when you're saying that even I'm just thinking about how people that what you take in, you end up responding, parenting, and doing relationships in that way. So you start to kind of that's how you start to interact with things and you know in a healthy fashion.

SPEAKER_04 17:15

You can do an entire episode on just love.

Teaching Couples What Love Really Is

SPEAKER_03 17:19

Yeah. All right, hey, that's down the road. I was good for February. Yeah. Hey, man. There we go. What's love got to do with it? What's love got to do with it? We'll get some therapy sessions going here. As many as well. I'm trying to get free sessions. This is the second one, by the way.

SPEAKER_04 17:36

Caroline, can you charge them?

SPEAKER_03 17:38

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm like, why am I getting a bill on the other six days? I'm like, but I feel great. Double.

SPEAKER_04 17:46

Caroline double because it's both of us.

SPEAKER_03 17:47

Yeah, that's a two. It's a two for. Okay. Let's see how that goes. All right. Um, so what excites you guys most about this upcoming year for Wellspring Counseling Center? Tell us a little bit about some of the themes or focus that you guys have coming up for 2026.

SPEAKER_02 18:02

So, but you know, I'm I'm excited about um not just we're we're gonna be going to a new location, but we're gonna have the opportunity to begin groups. There's something that in group therapy that that is unique within itself. It's called universality. So when you bring a bunch of people together, yeah, and they actually have a common core issue that they're gonna work at together. And that group therapy is is something that we've been wanting to do. We haven't had the space to do it. Now I will be having this space. And um one of the things that I'm excited about, I'm right now, I just started early this morning writing the curriculum for a group therapy that'll be based in the week five of the rooted, which is the strongholds. And um, so Lord woke me up at like three o'clock this morning after I messaged you. I started writing this stuff, and I thought, wow, this is gonna be fantastic for those that are going through the rooted class and they they identify some strongholds, but they need a little extra help of getting full deliverance from that. Yeah. And that's gonna that's one of the things I'm really excited about.

SPEAKER_03 19:06

I'm excited. I'm going through, I'm actually leading a rooted group right now. And so we'll be heading into that. And so uh to keep that at the forefront of our mind that that's an option that opportunity. Oh, in the future, that's gonna be great.

Why Group Therapy Heals

SPEAKER_04 19:17

Um, yeah, I think I talked to a show a couple weeks ago about um something that God kind of put in my heart about a workshop of self-healing. You know, I I feel like, you know, we we get to the, you know, we we read our Bibles and it's scripture, scripture. And I think even uh in Ricky's sermon a while back about mental health, you know, there's this concept of like, you know, there's more it's gotta be more to scripture. So um I'm hoping to do this workshop of self healing where we invite Christ into our healing process. And so that people have something to kind of take home with them, you know, something that they can do on their own. Um, you know, because it's it's it could it can get difficult. You know, it's hard to see a therapist and it's not, it's not, you know, it's not cheap. And um, so I want I want I want a doer part and you know, not just a reader part. I want something that people can take home and do it themselves. And when they're going through crises or something difficult, that they can kind of use this workshop, what they learned in the workshop to kind of to heal in that moment. So I'm hoping to do that. I'm hoping to do it for free. So you know, it'll be a free workshop that people can come and just learn how to kind of do the self-healing um process. So kind of habit, habit kind of things or um, no, it's like really like catching yourself in that moment. Like if you know, people who who are angry, I I work with a lot of like angry men. What? Um is to you know, teach them how to stop, you know, and and that's not nothing new, but yeah, when we invite Christ, and how does that look like when we invite Christ in our own healing and doing it ourselves? Like, you know, it's I don't want to give you oh, yeah, don't give it away. What should I give away? It's gonna be free. I'm trying to get it. I'm trying to get it. Um but I'm I'm super excited to to really uh and I'm gonna work with your show just to get the kinks and the scriptural good to go somewhere. It's gonna be good.

SPEAKER_02 21:07

Oh, that's uh that sounds like we're wanting to offer those kind of workshops. Um, because this is what we we truly believe. Being in therapy is not a forever thing.

SPEAKER_00 21:17

No.

SPEAKER_02 21:17

When we if you're seeing a therapist for long periods of time, then you need to question yourself. Either I'm not getting better or my therapist really stinks. So I like that. Well, um and that's one of the things offering workshops, offering other areas of of of ways to reach people so that they can be better. Because as as we become better as a whole, then our society comes better, our church becomes better, our society becomes better because we're not then hurting others because hurting people hurt people.

SPEAKER_03 21:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:48

And we got to heal that hurt.

SPEAKER_03 21:50

I love that. And I love and I actually think it's so funny that you would think, you know, uh the kind of a corporate or business mindset or something would be that, you know, you keep somebody long enough so that you can keep just kind of going through the process and you know, you keep a client, basically. But for you guys to help and to give them hope and healing and restoration, not only embedders our communities and our churches and our world, but it also for them that speaks volumes when other people look into their life and say, something's changed about you. You're getting better, things are different, you're treating me different. And I mean, it's a win-win-win.

Bringing Jesus Back Into Therapy

SPEAKER_00 22:19

That's right. Yep, that's it.

SPEAKER_03 22:21

And plus we get bored too.

SPEAKER_00 22:22

We get bored.

SPEAKER_03 22:24

Well, there's that. These two. I'm dumb with you. Yeah. No, we love you guys. I love all my clients. I love that stuff. Just want to throw that up. I love all you guys. Um talk a little bit more about that group piece. Is that how many like are you talking about, like a like a larger number of people, or is it like a two, if it's like a three or well, it's gonna be anywhere between six to eight persons in that in the group.

SPEAKER_02 22:48

But in our new space, um, it will ha it has a large group room. So we'll be able to to have six to eight. We don't want to have too many. A lot of times groups are are twelve to fifteen. Oh, okay. And that's a little bit too much because then you you can't really cover as much. It's more of just kind of maintaining chaos. So um we're thinking six to eight persons in the group. It's gonna be just just the right amount.

SPEAKER_04 23:12

And that's important because you know, we heal in community, we heal in relationships. So I've always enjoyed group therapy. It's it's such a cool um therapeutic approach.

SPEAKER_03 23:21

Like it's I've never been a part of it, so that's what I was wondering. I'd never heard of like I didn't know what the benefit of group therapy might provide.

SPEAKER_04 23:28

Well, think about like inpatient, inpatient, like people um with substance abuse, it's mostly group. Got it, yeah, right. And and they're they have the same kind of issues, right? And it's very they they have to it's a milieu, they have to learn how to kind of work together and heal together. So, you know, we we have a God that's relational and we get wounded in relations. Why not heal in relationships and experience? Right.

SPEAKER_03 23:53

Here I am a a pastor, and we do small groups and everything in group sessions and small settings, but I'm like, how does group therapy work? Yeah, I was gonna say I'm like, oh, as I was saying that, I'm like, and you're explaining it. I'm like, oh, that makes total sense. Think about it.

New Location, Access, And Community Reach

SPEAKER_04 24:06

Yeah, that's how we heal in relation. We get wounded in relation, we get healed in relationships.

SPEAKER_03 24:10

Yeah, relatability through, you know, potentially and yeah, all the different things that can come up.

SPEAKER_04 24:14

Therapy is just like me pointing out what you're doing wrong, but the hope is that you take that out and implement that in your relationships, right? It's in couples, we get to do it in the in the moment, but you know, with individual, it's like, okay, you know, now to heal with your mother womb or your father wound. Yeah, like be in relation with men. Being with men in a men's group can can heal your your your father wounds, you know.

SPEAKER_02 24:36

It's like it's so exciting to me when I see persons that have been attending therapy, and we we constantly are are encouraging them to attend rooted, to attend men's group, to attend other opportunities here at Wellspring. When we see them actually attend, then we know oh, the work they're doing in therapy is actually getting out. And and that that is exciting to me to see.

SPEAKER_03 25:02

That is really cool. Yeah, I Bandy, as you guys were saying that, I was just thinking, like, it's so funny on we we're kind of up against a lot of this like personal faith idea in the church that my faith is very personal, and we're always trying to push against that, you know, to say, no, it's this communal opportunity, and then you say that, and so therapy has kind of the same because I've always thought of it as a personal endeavor that I would go in, get fixed, and then now choose to apply it or not in my life. But that just sounds so fruitful.

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SPEAKER_04 25:28

I'm glad CJ brought that up because that was something we talked about is this concept of how secular therapy is taking over religion. It's it's like uh I forgot who it was. He he goes on a rant, he like crushes secular therapists. He's like, You guys are taken away from the church. But if you think about it in the secular world, like you go and confess to your therapist, you become, he becomes their your confidant, they're like your community. Um, they guide you. And these are all things that in in previous times where you where someone was doing bad, you'd say, Hey, you need church. Yeah, but now it's you need therapy. Yeah, so it's kind of this this um uh what do you call it, this replacement. But what I love about what we do here at Wellspring is that we incorporate religion, we incorporate community. We I tell my guys to go to to men's group. Um, yeah, I guide, I guide through the book, I guide, that's my guide. Um and and and the the confessions, well, yeah, yeah, they can come and confess, but it's not like they're confessing to me. But there's this this thing that's going on where you know therapy is taking over religion, but no, not here at Wellsprings Council. We're we're trying to imp but we're trying to get Jesus back into therapy. And like and Rochelle said, he's the ultimate guide. We're not gonna be self-led, we have to be Christ-led. And that's that part of teaching people how to be Christ-led and compassionate. How did Christ meet people in the Bible? Look, look, he has examples in the Bible, how he met sad people, how he met anxious people. Why can't you meet yourself like that?

SPEAKER_03 26:53

Yeah. I love hearing that language used from therapists. It's just it's so refreshing.

SPEAKER_04 26:58

But we stole it from the Bible. I know. Which everything as you should.

SPEAKER_03 27:01

As we should. That's funny. So what's ahead for uh wellspring counseling uh physically? I know you guys got some stuff coming up, and uh what ways can we partner and pray for you guys practically?

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SPEAKER_04 27:12

Well, physically, we'll we'll shout out the address. We're located on 111 in Washington, point happy. Address is 78370, Highway 111, suite 215. So we're on the second floor in La Quinta, uh 92253.

SPEAKER_03 27:28

We'll put all the details in the uh show notes as well. So if you forget that, we'll have it there for you. And uh you have a obviously a website, we'll put that on there too as well.

SPEAKER_00 27:36

Yeah, yep.

SPEAKER_03 27:37

And is there do you guys do counsel uh is there still 15-minute uh like a consultation?

SPEAKER_02 27:42

15 minute free phone consultation. Um and we will be at the end of the year. I mean at the end of this month, we'll be going to our new location. Um and we're looking forward to it because it's gonna be really out in the community. We've we've had some that are a little anxious about coming into a church.

SPEAKER_03 28:00

That's what I was wondering.

SPEAKER_02 28:02

Um so taking us out into the community um is going to open up a lot more doors to reach the people that we want to reach.

SPEAKER_03 28:09

And that's kind of would you say that to the people are like, hey, how come you guys are leaving from Southwest physical location to this new location? It is a com a more community opportunity, right?

SPEAKER_02 28:18

More community opportunity. That's right. Even though that we're gonna miss hanging out here because we don't go and socialize out here, we get all the staff, but we know what we're called to do and we need to be out there.

SPEAKER_03 28:29

Well, Albert comes cruising down the hallway into our discipleship office, and I get to try to hit him up and see if I can get free counseling. And then I'd have to invite him on a podcast to try to I am gonna miss walking down the halls.

SPEAKER_04 28:41

But um, you know, it's what he wants, and that's what we're gonna do.

SPEAKER_03 28:45

But that's why we'll bring you guys on for some more uh counseling sessions later this year for here on the podcast. No, we will. It'll be for the uh benefit of the community.

SPEAKER_04 28:54

So we even talked about doing some live stuff like question and answers and questions and answers stuff. So I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 29:01

Maybe we'll see. Is there any uh other like information, resources, any like anything out there that you guys feel like you want to you know tell people at their you know, hey, go check this out, books, literature, blogs, anything like that that you guys have that you think might people might find helpful? No, there's a there's a lot of stuff.

SPEAKER_02 29:19

There's a lot of things that um new stuff that's out there. Um I can't think of one thing right now.

SPEAKER_03 29:25

If if we get it, we'll put it in the show notes for you. But yeah, sorry, I kind of threw that one around.

SPEAKER_04 29:29

New Year's, uh we were talking about resolutions. Um of my favorite books is James Clear, Atomic Habits. And I think if you're starting something new this year, Atomic Habits, that book is amazing. It's one of my top three favorite books. But he breaks everything down and it's amazing. So um I would say that.

SPEAKER_05 29:47

And yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:48

Yeah, that's a good one for the new.

SPEAKER_04 29:50

And the Bible.

SPEAKER_01 29:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 29:51

The Bible, there we go.

SPEAKER_03 29:52

Oh, the I know I was gonna put some down on there just as a recommendation. I was like, I don't want to steer people in the wrong direction. I have to watch what I say on this podcast right now with two therapists here.

SPEAKER_04 30:03

So what do you think about CJ? Yeah, all the notes right about it.

SPEAKER_03 30:07

Yeah, a little off that. We need to cut that, Danny. Um so uh Rochelle and Albert, any final thoughts or encouragements for our listeners?

SPEAKER_02 30:16

Man, just as far as even the counseling center, however, you guys want to Well, you know, I I I just want to encourage those that that may be listening that want to um, they've always wanted to try out therapy. They've always wanted to to see where some of these things in their life can be um worked on and changed. Um I say to to call us, you know, go on go online, go on our website and take the first steps. Everyone is usually afraid their first session. They come in anxious because it's it's new, it's intimidating. And but once they start doing that and and getting into the hang of going coming to therapy, they find so much benefit for it that it really changes their life. So I want to just encourage people to just do it, just just to try it. Um there's always things that we can work on to improve our life and improve our relationships.

SPEAKER_04 31:12

Oh, absolutely. Um I would just say, look, learn compassion. Come in, um, treat others with compassion, treat yourself with compassion, even your anxious, your sad parts, your angry parts, approach them with compassion like Christ approached everyone with compassion. So um if you want to learn more about that, come check us out at the counseling center.

SPEAKER_03 31:33

So I I love that I can say confidently, uh, you know, come let uh let God transform your life and try therapy. You usually can't use that kind of language to go into a therapy session uh all the time, and you guys provide that service. So thank you for thank you for that. And it reminds me of Romans 12, too. You know, do you already conform to the patterns of this world but be transformed by the renewing of your mind?

SPEAKER_04 31:54

So renew your mind, you know, change your lives constantly, not just once a year, constantly.

SPEAKER_03 32:00

Yeah, absolutely. Well, thank you guys so much for taking the time to just share, educate, and equip us a little. And uh thank you all, most of all for being obedient to God's calling on your lives and using your gifts and talents so that others might ultimately experience some joy, peace, and restoration, hope in their lives. So we really appreciate what you guys are doing.

SPEAKER_04 32:17

Thank you, CJ. We love you.

SPEAKER_03 32:18

Yeah, oh thank you. You're welcome. I feel better. That'll be just free. Well, uh, there you have it, guys. Thanks for joining us on another episode of the Other Six Days podcast. Be sure to hit that subscribe, follow, share, and like, spread the word. And as always, take what you've heard and turn it into something you can do to further the gospel and the world around you. Until next time.