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The resurrection of Jesus isn’t just a historical claim—it’s the power that changes lives today.

In this episode of The Other 6 Days, CJ sits down with Pastor Sean McCartin to explore what the resurrection really means for everyday life. From reaching the lost to breaking destructive habits, the same power that raised Jesus from the dead is still at work today.

Together they discuss evangelism, church planting, affinity ministry, and the hope that comes when someone realizes they are not who they used to be because of Christ.

If the resurrection is true—and it is—it doesn’t just change eternity... It changes Monday morning.


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Welcome And Purpose Of The Show

SPEAKER_02

Hey everyone, welcome back to another episode of the Other Six Days Podcast, the show where we talk about life outside of Sundays and what it means to live from our gatherings and not just for them. I'm your host, CJ McFadden, and joining me today is my friend and colleague, Pastor Sean McCartan, someone with a deep heart for reaching the lost and helping people experience real transformation through Jesus.

SPEAKER_03

Yep.

SPEAKER_02

On today's episode, we will be talking about the resurrection as a central claim of Christianity and what it means to actually live in that resurrection power in our everyday lives. Sean, welcome to the podcast. Well, glad to be here.

SPEAKER_01

It's an honor and privilege.

Sean’s Ministry Story And Calling

SPEAKER_02

CJ. Thank you so much. Oh man, I've been excited about this one. So uh Sean is uh my boss man, so really and uh friend and colleague, but yeah, but peer, brother in Christ. Exactly. All the things. All the things. But uh Sean, let's uh help our listeners get to know you a little bit uh about who you are, what motivates you, and kind of what you do.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, well, yeah. Well, in preparation for this uh awesome podcast, I did a little reminiscing knowing you were gonna ask me. And so uh been married for 40 years to my junior high sweetheart, Tan. Wow. And we have three boys and uh three grandchildren and have been in public ministry for now 40 years. Wow. Uh 22 of those as a planting senior pastor. We my wife and I planted and pastored two churches, one in Eugene, Oregon, and one in Queerlane. Uh, spent 10 years before that, previous to that, in uh youth outreach ministry, Youth for Christ, uh the campus life division, which is high school. Yeah. And uh helped for about four years, helped rebuild a Christian college ministry school, and then have been a campus pastor uh for about six years. Okay. So a variety of pastoral uh, you know, ministries for sure. Yeah, nice. Yeah.

Hippie Upbringing And Ditch Conversion

SPEAKER_02

Uh what about so tell us a little bit about like uh maybe some of your upbringing and stuff. Like where did you grow up at?

SPEAKER_01

Well, I I grew up around the Eugene, Oregon area. That was a small little town. Yeah. And I grew up in uh hippie li uh culture and uh free love and uh all sorts of wildness. Just think Woodstock. There you go. Just bring Woodstock to your home. And that that uh represents uh my upbringing, really. I mean, uh it was uh interesting. Uh grew up on a farm, yeah. Um single parent mom, but uh various uh stepdads uh rotating in and out. And um so yeah, I was uh didn't grow up in the church. That's a chance there wasn't any you know real spiritual influence, and so it it wasn't until I was about 16 that some Youth for Christ uh youth workers reached out to me and uh begin to minister to me, witness to me, and uh invite me to things, invite me to meetings, get him in a meeting so he can hear hear the good news and hear the gospel.

SPEAKER_02

And it worked. Yeah, they wore me down. Uh, was that like when your faith became more personal for that's when you were introduced to Christianity?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I I think up until that time, uh somebody say, Do you believe in God? I would say, Well, I'm an atheist.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Not even sure what that meant. Yeah. But um, they, you know, just shared the love of Jesus with me. And literally, like I got a phone call from one of their volunteers, and I was uh a little druggie, just really lost, knowing I was lost, always wondering, man, what I'm settling for second best in life. And then all of a sudden I get a phone call from this campus life volunteer. Hey, do you want to come to a meeting, a campus life meeting? I'm like, no, no, no. And I had all these excuses, and my mom just finally said, just go, get out of the house, you know, do something. And so I went and it was in a home of a peer. Yeah. And I I listened to the message. They brought in a guest speaker. The the topic was sex in the single student. I thought Christians talk about stuff like that. And I was, you know, being a smart aleck and thought I knew everything. And but they had a pastor come and just share what it meant to have a relationship with God and uh how he loves us, but their sin. But he took care of that through his son Jesus, and that if you receive Jesus, uh, you know, you can have a relationship with God. I'm like, it really, it really hit me hard. And so I asked a bunch of questions for the next several months, and you know, what about this? What about this? And what about this? And then I was uh riding my uh 10-speed bike to my high school to watch a girls' basketball game, I remember, kind of at night. It was a bike I'd recently stolen, it was a girl's huffy bike. But I was thinking about all these different things that these youth workers had been sharing with me, and I knew they were praying for me. So I just literally I pulled over in a ditch, yeah, got off my bike and said, Lord Jesus, come into my life and I confess my sin, be my Lord and Savior. And you know, I didn't cry or see fireworks, but I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt I was a totally different person. Wow. In the ditch. Oh, huffy. Oh my gosh. So then I get back on my bike to go to the game, not to watch the game, but I need to tell somebody. Yeah. You know, I need to tell somebody I just became a Christian, I just received Jesus into my life. And so that was the beginning. Uh, then I uh really stayed plugged in uh the remainder of my high school time there. But then right after I graduated, they wanted me to come and volunteer. So I volunteered with them for a year and uh then they asked me to come on staff. I kind of resisted it at first, and but then I went on staff and uh for 10 years, the next 10 years, I walked the hallways of high schools seeking to win other unchurched non-Christian youth to Christ, then then disciple them into a local church in that scenario and in that setting.

What Christians Mean By Resurrection

SPEAKER_02

Wow. Yeah. What had been done for you, you wanted to do for others, right? Exactly. Wow, yeah. Yep. That's powerful, dude. Yeah. Well, um, well, Sean, today we're talking about, we'll get right in that kind of leads right into what we're talking about is the resurrection and its power in our everyday lives. Come on. And so, but honestly, we know that claim can sometimes become so familiar that we forget how radical it really is. Yeah. So probably first, I think it's probably important um for those who might be unfamiliar with what we mean when we say the resurrection. Like what are we talking about when we say that?

SPEAKER_01

You betcha. Well, the word literally means to get up again.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And so the resurrection, as exemplified in Jesus, is that he died and was buried for three days, but he got back up again. And so he rose from the grave. Yeah. And um the Father raised him from death. And uh then this this new victory over the grave, over death, is now able to be imparted to those who put their faith and trust in Jesus. So uh, you know, he became sin on the cross. He who knew no sin, the Bible says, became sin on our behalf that we might know the righteousness of God. Second Corinthians 5. He was buried after he suffered, suffered, scourged, mocked, crucified, dead, buried, you know, buried. Dead dead, yeah. And then Sunday morning, the day of the Lord, you know, some of his followers came and to visit the tomb, and the tomb, the stone was rolled away. Yeah. The stone was rolled away, and the tomb was empty. The grave clothes were in there, but he was alive. And he's still alive.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And so that's the resurrection of Christianity. That's our hope, that's our basis for authority. Yeah. It's not necessarily academic, it's just the reality of the greatest victory ever on our behalf.

Why The Claim Is Radical

SPEAKER_02

And outside of, yeah, and on our behalf, like, so I think like some people can look at that as like a historical observation, or you know, hey, that's great. Like he was resurrection, res resurrected, resuscitated, whatever you think it is. But like, why is the claim, why is that claim so radical? Why is it so important?

SPEAKER_01

Well, he predicted it before it happened. Can you imagine? Hey, hey, you guys, come in close. Let me tell you, I'm gonna suffer. Yeah, I'm gonna suffer by these religious leaders, and then I am gonna be crucified, uh uh Roman method of execution.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Uh, but three days later, I'm gonna rise again. Yeah. You know, so he said it up front. Yeah. Uh then he did it. Yeah. And so I think there's such a uh validity uh of you know, of his claims. Yeah. And so the Bible says that he had forty days of post-resurrection appearances, and uh, those are in the gospels. Um, but then he ascended. He ascended, and he ascended and said, now wait in Jerusalem to his followers, and some hundred and twenty gathered on the day of Pentecost, and uh then the Holy Spirit came and dwelt every believer, and so was the birth of Christianity on the day of Pentecost, and uh the Holy Spirit came with the sound of a rushing wind and mighty tongues of fire. So we're people of the wind, yeah, we're people of fire, yeah. But the resurrection is the most unique belief and doctrine of any religious system. Yeah, he's alive. We don't have his body. We got the body of other religious leaders, yeah. We have shrines everywhere, but we don't have the body of Jesus. Yeah. Because he rose again.

SPEAKER_02

I love it. Yes. Well, Christianity rises and falls upon that claim because like Jesus He He He did what He said he was gonna do, and so we have hope and the promise that He said, I'm going to prepare a place for you, too, right? Yeah. So now we have the hope of a future that we didn't have.

SPEAKER_01

Yes. Um I don't know if you remember Keith Green, kind of the father of uh Christian contemporary music. Yeah, but he talks about if if it if God uh created the the world in uh six days, uh look how awesome our world is the universe, Milky Way, galaxies, planet Earth, and creation, all the things in six days. Yeah, well, Jesus has been preparing a place for us for about two thousand years, so we can just imagine what you know uh eternity's gonna be in heaven. We can't possibly imagine. I know. Exactly. It's way be it's way beyond anything we can uh ask, dream, or imagine. But it's it's uh it's hopeful though to think about it. Maranatha is the word that often quoted in the early church, uh Lord, come quickly, come quickly. But um yeah, so there's a promise of eternity and there's also a promise of resurrection power for today. Yeah. And uh the same power that the Bible says that raised Jesus from the dead lives in us. So that mind blown right there. You know, start to apply that, start to consider that, and uh, we have we can have victory where we never thought we could before.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Well, let's jump into I want to jump into that because that's like that's kind of where the podcast is headed today is like how do we live in that resurrection power now? But one of the big questions I have before we do is like, how can how how do you feel we can have confidence that the resurrection claim is true? Yes, because you know it is in essence, some people say, Well, that's just a claim, and there's this this whole book that's telling us that that's the case. But what do you you know, what does that look like?

Doubt And Evidence For Confidence

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah. You know, I think of uh the crucifixion of Jesus, you could say that was the uh worst thing that ever happened, the worst thing ever. But God turned it into the best thing ever. Yeah, and uh, but the resurrection, you know, I remember when I first became a Christian, yeah, and I I was uh zealous and uh I had uh energy and enthusiasm and and the people that led me to the Lord, I kind of trusted in them. They loved me so uh wonderfully, and it was such a healthy environment. But I remember a little ways past uh my conversion, yeah, I remember I started to think kind of a crisis of doubt, crisis of faith. Like, what what did I get myself into? Yeah, yeah. I'm trusting the words of these other leaders up until this point. I thought, is it really legit? Is it really uh uh verifiable? And so I went on my own little search. And it what it did is it it re-strengthened or it reinforced what I did believe. But like, for instance, you know, secular historians, plenty of uh written evidence of Christianity, of Jesus as the founder, Josephus. You know, you can read some of his things. The thing that really got me, and you've probably heard this before, is you know, uh eleven of the twelve disciples all died as martyrs. And uh it's it's maybe possible for one person to to uh offer their life on a lie, but to have eleven of the twelve all um die, they wouldn't die for a lie. So I think they, in a sense, their commitment to the claims of Christ um were verified in their resiliency and in their martyrdom. You know, they died for Jesus because they saw him alive after he died. So I think that's a very strong proof. And those were some of the types of things that then really even led me to believe and be even more convinced. It came from a crisis of doubt, and some people can have that. And it could be a time for you to search yourself, search the scriptures, do your own research, and that's what I did, and I came out of it uh stronger than before.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, well, and all of the post-resurrection eyewitness accounts, yes, you know, for uh the empty tomb, um, you know, the radical transformation of the disciples in the church. Um, and uh it's funny, I read one even at attestation of the enemies of the uh claiming that the body was stolen from the empty tomb, which usually that wouldn't get included. Yes. Uh, you know, they were had an excuse because they had no they didn't know what happened. So even the enemies had confirmed that the body was going to be and so there's just these like all kinds of facts, you know, and the archaeological and historical evidence and um historical sources and stuff. But um, there's another one too. We talked about, we were mentioning the name, the the non-credible uh witnesses. Yes. What is that?

SPEAKER_01

The well that you know, there is um the Bible is very honest. Yeah, it's very honest about the people in the Bible, uh, about acts and and uh different things that they've done. Yeah. And to be that honest and to show different Bible characters maybe in a negative light, I I feel like there's a little there's some kind of integrity there, there's some kind of honesty there that I think uh verifies uh that it's uh legitimate. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah, that criterion of embarrassment. Yes, is what it's like. I love that term. I was gonna use that a lot.

SPEAKER_02

I was like, what a fancy explanation for non-credible people witnessing what had happened. So well, in uh 1 Corinthians 15, 19, uh Paul said that the resurrection, if it isn't true, then Christians are the most to be pitied. Yeah. So why why does he what what's in that you think?

Why Christianity Depends On It

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I mean, I I think like I said previous, it's really the basis of our authority. You know, Christianity isn't so much a philosophy, like maybe Buddhism is more of a philosophy. Christianity is not like a ritual, yeah. You know, it's not like a program, it's really wrapped up in a person, the person of Jesus, and uh, you know, his claims to be both the son of God and the son of man, 100% God, 100% man, he represented uh mankind um in the cosmic, you know, um judgment of sin, he paid the penalty for us and rose again in victory. So in order for our sins to be forgiven, it's connected to the resurrection. In order for us to have hope for eternity and to win those battles over sin, hell, death, the grave, and the devil, it's connected to the uh empty tomb.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And if that didn't happen, it's a great hoax.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And it is uh, you know, uh masquerading as something uh powerful and not be that way. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

So yeah, it's only it's only good news because it's true, right?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, we love that. Yes.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, uh uh a man coming to be only defeated by death is not really good news of the gospel. So yeah, so that's why he's alive. He's alive, and yes, exactly. Um so understanding that the resurrection frees us from the penalty of you know eternal consequence um and death, uh, can it be um it can be easy to defer our hope to the next life? So a lot of people, you know, they just think about hey, I punched my ticket for heaven one day. Yeah, um, but Jesus promises joy in the present one now. So let's talk about some of the ways that we truly embrace and live with that resurrection power here in the world.

Living In Holy Spirit Power

SPEAKER_01

That's so good. That's so good. Well, yeah, um, I think that his power is to be applied on a daily basis. You know, Jesus told his disciples, he goes, Now you guys wait, wait in Jerusalem because you will be clothed, you will be clothed with power. And you can't really live the life of Christ until you have the life of Christ through the Holy Spirit. Yeah. And so those disciples were clothed with power, and you see a distinct difference from previous to Pentecost after Pentecost. You know, you see Peter, for instance, you see him using the fire metaphor, like he was around the fire and he and he denied Jesus. You know, then he was in the fire praying at Pentecost. Then days later, moments later, he's now on fire preaching the gospel. So you just see this transformation in Peter. Why? Because of the power of the resurrection is now accessible through the power of the Holy Spirit. And so we have the ability to walk in greater levels of courage than we ever have. I think there's new capacities and new gifts that we have access to that fit within who God has made us uh to be. I think there is power uh over anything unhealthy in our life that we can have the strength to dismantle what the Bible would call strongholds. Yep. You know, so there's um there is the the guarantee of personal freedom because of the power and authority of the resurrection that resides in us through faith in Christ. So I just love it that every person can get over every habit or addiction or uh weakness or hurt or wound or pain, that the power of God can uh be navigated in such a way to bring healing and freedom and strength. And Jesus did promise us to have uh life and have life abundantly. Yeah, we love that.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Oh, that's so good. Yeah. So yeah, it's uh, you know, it's not just about material prosperity, but a spiritual, purposeful life filled uh, you know, with God's grace and his peace and his joy through that verse. Yeah. And it starts, I love that it starts immediately and extends now on through eternity.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. So well, we know uh in a mirror dimly right now, yeah that we shall see everything as it is, you know, and but in the meantime, in the meantime, you know, we are uh called to be ambassadors, yeah, uh witnesses, um, to engage in outreach, evangelism, and uh our the great commission is to go now and make disciples. And he promised to be with us in that endeavor. As long as we are uh making disciples, so I'm gonna be with you in that, give you power and strength to do that. Yeah. And uh, and that's you know, there's two types of power. There the word is dynamo, yeah. You know, it's where we get the word dynamite, but it uh which is explosive immediate power, but dynamo is also then power that's extended for for for long periods of time. And so you want both. You want the immediate and you want the enduring and persevering power of the Holy Spirit. And so that's just uh that's just a great hope that we're not in our own strength. Yeah, we're people of his strength.

SPEAKER_03

Yes.

SPEAKER_02

So oh, I love that. Yeah. Well, let's talk more about that. Like if we since we now, you know, we we live in the promise of like, you know, the the the what do you call that? Not the evidence. Well, there is evidence of it, of what he's done and the power of the resurrection, and we step into that power and receive it. And now as a result of it, like what part does you said it, evangelism and those types of things play in our life and sharing that power, the power of the gospel in and through our lives.

Mission And Everyday Evangelism

SPEAKER_01

Well, I think his power uh allows us to not have to mirror society or mirror behavior that's uh targeted towards us, but we can do something different and supernatural. We can bring in God's grace to graceless environments, we can bring in God's love to loveless environments, and and I just love that that we can bring in something new in every scenario and situation that we're not a product of our environment. We don't have a location disease, meaning I gotta be in a certain spot to live well. I really am adaptable, yeah, and I can uh grow in any scenario that God puts me in because I have immediate access to his presence through his son Jesus, through prayer, yeah, through worship. And so I can be empowered by his grace uh in any situation. I love that.

SPEAKER_02

And you find uh me and you both we love, you know, we love evangelism, we have a heart for evangelism and love seeing lost people found and broken people made whole. Totally. Um, one of the ways that we do that, and that I found even through some of our relationship is through affinity groups or shared interests, ministry models. Yes. You know, talk a little bit about that.

Community That Attracts The Curious

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, uh Jesus met felt needs as a way to ultimately meet spiritual needs. So you talk about common interests, you know, common likes, common places or demographics in society, and and there's some commonalities that aren't necessarily on the outside look supernatural, but they really are in in a in a way sets a tone or sets a place in which a fellowship can happen, uh ministry can happen. I mean, you and I were just at a men's study this morning, and we all kind of come from different spots, but we have a commonality as well. And uh so it just serves as a place to build a strong, growing uh body. Yeah. You know, we need the body at full strength, all members attached to the head Jesus, but to be able to meet in large group settings like our corporate worship on the weekends, but also to meet in smaller groups. I think there's a great grace of God that's a little bit different but equal in value. There's a grace that happens when we gather for worship uh in a corporate setting, but there's also a unique grace that happens when we meet in smaller groups. That's what the New Testament church did. They'd meet at the temple and then they would meet in homes. And both of those were great rhythms to provide the kind of uh power uh to live the Christian life. That's so good.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. It's one of my my favorite things about you know our journey and uh and our faith is by being able to do it in community with others. Yes. And when we do that, the cool part is that you know God's really strong. To me, like this heart for the lost, because in those arenas, we end up creating having environments that other people are looking in. Yes. And they will know that you're his disciples by your love for one another. And so when we sit and share in those opportunities, I watch a lot of people look in and go, hey, what do you guys have? There's something there that I tell me about that. I like that. We get opportunities to talk about reaching the lost and stuff, right? In those?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, totally. I mean, I think there's an attractive uh component to our unity, yeah, to our transparency and to our uh willing accountability. I mean, it it looks like you know, the this friendship is deep. And I think people are hungry for connection. And we were made for connection. We were made for connection to him, of course, first and foremost, but also, you know, connection to one another, vertical and horizontal, and both of those things, God wants to make sure they're whole and active. And so I think when men or or people in the church have this really authentic fellowship is the word koin and neon where we share with each other, we partner with what with each other. We like those Greek words. And I think that that in a sense is a witness. I think our unity sends a message. Uh, you know, obviously we're broken, but you know, pettiness does not rule our relationships. You know, we forgive each other. Yep. You know, we love each other unconditionally, and we're honest with each other in the right ways, you know. And um, so I think Christian community is an attraction, is an attraction, excuse me, to the world. It was an attraction to me.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I remember seeing Christians for the first time on my high school campus.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And I remember thinking they're kind of odd.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

But like not in a weird way, not like in a negative way. Yeah. But I was drawn to the the campus life leader that was really instrumental in leading me to Christ. His name was Bruce. And I just was drawn to him as a person. I'm like, uh there's something I've never seen, I didn't see see what I saw in my parents or my parents' friends, or my multiple stepdads. Yeah. Uh it was a foreign concept to see such a bright light, such a pure love. It was a pure love. Yeah. I was used to a lot of polluted, corrupt loves. Yep. Back in the hedonism of Woodstock that I got that I grew up in. And so I I got to see a contrast. Yeah. And so it was, it's really what kind of drew me to to the Lord. Yeah. You know, was the unity and uh the fellowship and the joy of other Christians. Yeah. So I love that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And I I love um I love like that's a perfect example that you don't you don't have to get right before you belong. Like you don't have to arrive or figure it all out that you know, Christians living out that way uh really more in desire at pursuing people who like don't have it figured out, who you know, that we're, you know, none of us are who we want to be, but we're not who we used to be. Yes, yeah. And so as people look at that and go, hey, there's something different about the way you live live your life. There's a joy, a peace, a hope that I don't know that I have. And so, again, when you have that gift, you're like, let me share it with you.

SPEAKER_01

Well, I have often thought that people have grace and grace always makes the initial move. Yeah. God is full of grace and he made the initial move towards us. You know, we didn't ask him to send us a savior. Yeah. He sent us a savior before we even knew we needed one. So I think as believers, we always initiate contact with those that don't know the Lord. That's the nature of grace. Oh, so good. And so I think that uh whether in a vocational setting, you know, I've been in vocational public ministry, but it doesn't really matter. It's it's just in in in everyday uh life and society and in community, you're always looking for opportunities to share God's love with somebody and to share God's truth with somebody because that's why I'm here, because somebody did that with me. Yeah. And uh so when you get God's love, uh you just can't help but want to help somebody. Yeah. And that's just what God's love does. It makes a first move.

Books That Strengthen Convictions

SPEAKER_02

That's so good. Yeah, that's perfect. Yeah. Well, Sean, this is such good conversation. And uh, as always, before we wrap up, um, any final thoughts, comments, or encouragements, maybe any books or anything that you want to point people to?

SPEAKER_01

Well, I do think that at some point within our Christian life, you know, that we we get to dive in and come up with our, you know, uh discover these convictions for our own so we own our own faith. I've read a lot of, you know, from Lee Strobel, you know, the case for faith, the case for Christ. Of course, I'm old, and so I read the Josh McDowell, Evidence Demands a Verdict, and you know, C. S. Lewis, Mere Christianity was a a great one for me. Um I read this one little book called Destined for the Throne. I think it was Paul Bilheimer back in the day, and it showed me the cosmic courtroom where the devil really made a mistake by going after Jesus because he was sinless and he had no legal authority to to attack Jesus. But anyway, so that that really opened my eyes to just the decisive nature of the victory that we have in Jesus, and and that stabilizes you when you know that there's such a ultimate victory, it can't be denied, it's been tested and it's real, and you can carry that with you every step of the way. And so we ultimately can have victory in every area of our life because of his power and his love. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Wow. Well, we'll include uh some of those things in the uh show notes for you guys, um, as far as like you know, links to some other books and uh the destined for the throne. Destined for the throne. Uh that one as well. Um, Sean, any final uh thoughts, comments, maybe encourages encouragements or challenges to our people before we wrap up?

Intimacy With God And Closing

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I mean, I think let's enjoy immediate access to the Holy of Holies. I think a lot about when Jesus rose from the dead, that big old curtain that was some four inches thick and I don't know if it's fifty feet high and it's it, you know, but it got torn in two. And so we can now go and we can live our lives from a place of intimacy. And I think that is where God wants to heal us, strengthen us, bring assurance to our lives so that we can live out of a place of intimacy with God because the blood of his son Jesus cleanses us from all sin. Though your sins are as red as scarlet, I'll make them as white as snow, and we can have access to his presence. So I just want to encourage people, it's level ground at the cross. He loves you and he desires intimacy with you. That's the birthplace of everything good is remain in the vine. This is John 15. Just stay close to the source, stay close to the source, and then you will bear fruit in your branches.

SPEAKER_02

Man, when you're saying that, it just made me think like whether you feel powerless or deferred power because of the resurrection power, you have power now through the blood of Jesus Christ. Yeah. So man, I concur and agree. Amen. Amen. I love it. Yes. Well, Sean, thanks for joining us today. I'm grateful for your friendship, your leadership, and uh your passion to journey with people and see them fall deeper in love with Jesus. Amen. So, well, there you have it, folks. Thanks for again again for joining us on another episode of the Other Six Days podcast. Be sure to hit that subscribe, follow, share, and like. Spread the word, and as always, take what you've heard and turn it into something you can do to further the gospel and the world around you. Until next time. Bye bye. Bye bye. Okay.