Welcome back to the Shamans Cave. I'm Renee Baribeau.

Sandra Ingerman (00:36):

I'm Sandra Engerman.

Renee Baribeau (00:38):

And today Sandra's gonna lead us in with a little blessing to get us started. So we bring our energy all here.

Sandra Ingerman (00:46):

Yeah. So let's close our eyes. And, uh, I like to use, uh, breath to bring us to center and to help us feel grounded and not stuck in our ordinary reality thoughts so much. So, let's all, um, with our eyes closed. Take a deep breath

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And allow your breath to open up your heart, feel your heart expanding, and allow the seed of excitement to start to be planted inside of you for where this incredible global community that's gathering from all over at such an amazing time on the planet to journey together, to practice together, to be inspired, to tap into our wisdom and to learn about what our true destiny is, and to open up to our authentic selves so that we can step in fully to build a new fabric of reality. So, I'll rattle and whistle just for a moment. As you experience yourself feeling centered by your breath, connecting deeply to the land where you live, that's such an important practice, honor the city and the land. So, with an open heart and with gratitude for your life, let's open our,

Renee Baribeau (03:19):

Hmm.

(03:21):

It is awesome. We're gonna start out today with an open heart because we're, we're treading into some deep waters today that, you know, I, I think back to a time when I was in, uh, um, uh, um, a mental facility that they used to call it then. And the, the psychotherapist, the art therapist, said to me, Renee, muddy waters clear themself in stillness. And that's what it, it reminds me of today. And I, I, it brings tears to my eyes that, you know, that we're gonna be talking about self-worth and worthiness, and we're gonna do at the end of worthiness exercise about, you know, where self-worth and worthiness live in the body and around in your spirit. And clear that and come out with a new idea. So, thank you for opening my heart, because I already feel more expanded.

Sandra Ingerman (04:10):

Yeah. You know, um, uh, somebody actually wrote in and asked us, Renee, to, to speak about, uh, bring this as an, as a topic. And, you know, many really interesting topics came in. But when I started to think about it and, you know, then shared this with you, it's how do we really step into our practices fully, which we're, which we're both doing ourselves and, and asking people to join us in. How do you do that when you don't feel worthy? How do you do that? And so, before we can really continue doing deeper work, this is a very interesting thing to look at. And, um, and I'm really looking forward to our conversation and the practice.

Renee Baribeau (05:01):

Me too. I, I, when, when I got my Hay House contract, the first thing that I thought to myself, 'cause I got all these emails, oh, how did you get a Hay House contract? And, you know, for somebody who had any instance of, of self-worth or worthiness issues in there, I thought like, well, wow, maybe I don't deserve this. And I went into this deep plummet into like, oh my God, you know, I'm not Sandra that, you know, I didn't do that all that way. And, you know, they're gonna find out that I'm really a fraud. And I, I went into this, here I am with this great new contract that, you know, coveted contract. And I was like in the deep despairs of my own initiation of what I needed to do to step out from that place. And I'm sure you've felt that too.

Sandra Ingerman (05:50):

Well, you know, it's really interesting because what I've learned in, uh, all my years of writing, 'cause I had two friends who were incredible, uh, coaches for me, is that every writer feels like that. So I tell that to every writer, new writer who contacts me is the first thing that's gonna come up is you're gonna say, the world's gonna think I'm a fraud. But, you know, what happened to me, this is a really interesting story. Um, when I wrote Soul Retrieval, I mean, talk about, I, I really didn't feel worthy. And so, um, I was working as, I'm still working with the Egyptian goddess Isis as one of my teachers in the unseen realms. And so I went to ISIS in a journey and I said to her, I don't feel worthy to write this book. And you know what her response was? She said, that's okay. I'll find somebody else to write it. <laugh>. Then I'm like, wait, wait, wait, I wanna write this book. And she said, then write it, be strong and write it, and I will not write it for you. Complain to me, or I'll find somebody else to write this book. 'cause this book needs to be written. So it was a really interesting, you know, hard lesson from a spirit. If you don't feel you can do it, somebody else can. You know,

Renee Baribeau (07:26):

And I had that experience. I, um, with the wind, it was basically, you know, we picked you 'cause you're good for working and you'll get the message out. And I'm thinking like, well, you know, trying to fluff myself up a little bit. Like, and that's the ego, you know, the, the self-worth part of like, you know, we are in that place of myself that I didn't feel worthy enough. But I do believe that the winds went to talk to somebody else first. And he was one to tell me, Hey, the winds came to see me, and he wasn't listening. So, you know, there, I always say that if there's an idea out in the universe, trust me that there's a lot of people who could get grab onto that idea in the wind. But what that, you know, overcoming that feeling of, uh, not good enough, I don't like myself and all of that is part of the initiation that makes it okay to get up on your, on your soapbox or your platform and say, I did this. I, I went through this. I experienced hating myself enough to, for me to, to heal. And, and that's been important lesson for me in my life.

Sandra Ingerman (08:42):

Yeah. And, and it, it is really important and it's also important for all of us, um, and I know Renee, that, um, you teach about this too, is that the unworthiness we feel is a part of a collective projection that has nothing to do with us. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And, you know, it might come through our ancestral line, you know, where you were taught that you don't wanna shine too bright or, you know, don't feel too worthy, or you come into a family system where everybody's putting you down and telling you you're doing it wrong and you don't know what you're doing. And so we start to, uh, start to weave this, uh, illusion. It's really illusion. It has nothing to do with us. It's just an illusionary net that we really need to dissolve,

Renee Baribeau (09:48):

That we can cast out. I'll, I'll never forget, I was, um, 33 and I was sitting on my front stoop painting a picture of a flower. One day I bought this book called Watercolors for the Artistically Undiscovered, it's a children's book. It's a great book. Everyone should get, it's still in print. And all of a sudden the phone rings and it's my mother. And she's, they're like, what are you doing? Oh, I'm watercoloring on the front stoop. You, you were never very artistic. And I'm thinking like, what do you mean? I said, I'm one of the most famous chefs in all of Central New York. What are you talking about? 'cause I'd gotten just enough to, you know, give it back to her. And she's there like, well, you know, one time you came home from this pitch with, with this drawing from Sunday School of a half eaten hotdog. And I, and I asked you what it was, and it was supposed to be, uh, they asked you to draw the Last Supper. And I laughed. I said, well, probably that's what I had the night before for supper, you know, and it's always been about me, mom, <laugh>,

Sandra Ingerman (10:51):

I love it.

Renee Baribeau (10:51):

And now she's painting

Sandra Ingerman (10:53):

<laugh>. Well, it's all about if we allow ourselves to be put into a box, you know what I mean? Because I feel that, um, when those feelings of unworthiness come up for me, um, it's because I'm trying to fit into a box, uh, and, and into a belief that I have to be a certain way and I'm not exactly sure. And so for me, what starts to happen is I feel that that, um, anchors my creativity in a negative way. Meaning, it, it keeps me from ever really be being able to do watercolors or, um, or, you know, I'd love to take a sculpting class, but I don't feel worthy. I don't feel like I can, you know? And so we end up stepping away, um, from a lot of the joy of life because we lose, what I'm thinking as, as I'm talking and you're talking is unworthiness takes us away from that childlike state of on wonder that we, we actually talked about on our pilot show. Um,

Renee Baribeau (12:09):

And also what I was just thinking about, uh, I've heard you talk about, you know, pottery. This is like the second time I've heard you talking about the pottery. So maybe it's, who was it? The, uh, the sculptor who says that he doesn't shape an image. He, he extracts what isn't the image. So maybe he can go to pottery class and you could start to extract what's not the pot, and you'll be like, you'll come down with this little spirit little cone for yourself, <laugh>. And isn't that the center of worthiness is that little place inside of us that lights up when, you know, for me, when I cook the best meal possible, it's like it feeds myself, it feeds my soul. Um, and, and I know that we both have done initiations about this for ourselves because we don't get to be, uh, shaman elders without really looking at all of these issues that we like to look at. And the ones we don't like to look at. And, and I know I have lots of stories. Do you have one that you wanna share or?

Sandra Ingerman (13:15):

Well, I think the one I shared about isis, that was, that was a really big, uh, really, really big one for me. But I also found that, um, you know, in my shamanic practice that the thing, if I was gonna say anything that I had to, uh, learn to deal with is that issue of worthiness. But also, um, it's such balance because in some ways when we don't feel that good about ourselves, we don't let our ego get outta control either. And, and we know in shamanism, both you and I know tons of stories, I know tons of stories of people who went out and said, I'm a great shaman and I'm gonna call in rain. And, uh, and it rains, and then they lose their power because they boasted about it so much. You know? So there's that fine line of like, ISIS saying, stand up and write this book from a place of strength, but then also owning your humanness so that you don't take the credit for being so great. And so, you know, there's this dance, there's this paradox, I think, um, that I'm always playing. I don't know about you, but I'm always playing, uh, that one.

Renee Baribeau (14:42):

Yes. And I think that anyone who's starting out, I think of a time, um, l Clara was here once, and I'm, they're like, well, I don't know enough to do healing. And she said, well, the only way you're gonna know enough to do healing is to do the healing <laugh>. I'll never forget it. I was just like, it's kind of a conundrum. So what I found in early in my practice is this other teacher told people to start calling me for sessions. And all of a sudden I'm like, all of a sudden my phone starts to ringing. People are calling me for, and I'm there. Where'd you get my number? I mean, it was like, I was so reluctant. And so then the first, all the first 10 clients really mirrored where I was stuck or where I was projecting my own abuse as a child. And so sure enough, people came with child abuse, you know, sexual abuse, you know, divorce, all of those issues kept showing up until I, I had to go deeper and, and heal those wounds inside me so I could project out something a little bit, um, else into the world so that I didn't get stuck into all of their issues as well. Have you, did you have to have that kind of an experience?

Sandra Ingerman (15:57):

Yeah, I, I definitely, um, I, I definitely had an experience like that when I first started, um, doing extraction work. Extraction work, pulling out spiritual intrusions, pains and illnesses from the body. I was already teaching it, but I didn't get clients, you know, I wasn't having clients calling me for extractions they were calling me for, for everything else. So one day I was, uh, one weekend I was teaching a workshop in Tucson on, um, extraction. And when I was coming home from the workshop, workshop was great, everything went well. I put on my cassette player, I was still listening,

Renee Baribeau (16:39):

Cassettes, <laugh>,

Sandra Ingerman (16:41):

The drum drumming tape. And I journeyed, I used to journey, uh, when I would fly. And I went to my power and I said, why is it that I'm not good at extraction work? And, and he said to me, it's because you don't really do it. You don't feel you can, and you don't trust the spirits, because as we know in healing work, we're not doing anything. It, it's the spirits, you know, they're working through you, they're just using your body. And he said, you're not letting your extraction ally use your body. 'cause it's like, I'm not worthy. I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy. So we land in Albuquerque, I get home to Santa Fe and my answering machine is full and I check my messages and it everyone is somebody asking me for extract <laugh>.

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And then I get a message from somebody saying, um, I heard you, do you extract teeth? And he said, no, that's not the type of extraction I do. And he said, well then what kind of extraction do you do after I called him up? And anyway, the conversation went south from there, <laugh>. But it was funny because I had no reputation for being able to do this work. And it was basically because I wasn't allowing myself to enter fully into the field of my helping spirits who were doing the work. And once I did, it was amazing. Um, uh, you know, cancers and lupus and even cigarette smoking because the tobacco spirit can be an intrusion or the cocaine spirit convene intrusion. And so everything became extraction work for me. So it was really interesting how I just needed that push from my power animal to say, you need to feel good enough about yourself to be a full partner with the spirit who will work through you.

Renee Baribeau (18:57):

That's great. I, I think about, and, and when one, when I was still learning and I had an ego and an opinion about things, I mean, I, I still have an ego 'cause we can't get away from that. Uh, but, um, I, I did an extraction process for somebody who I had a judgment about. And then you gotta really be in, then you could, so when I was down there, I saw this owl, and owl had spectacles and well, the spectacles were my own. So what happened was when I, I brought back this owl and, and, or it was a soul retrieval or something, but it, it kind of was an extraction thing, or it needed to be after I got done <laugh>, because I brought back the spectacles too, which would've been better left. And so it turns out that, you know, the spectacles actually caused an intrusion in this person's body.

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And I was just in shaman's school at the time or training, you know, but it was a really hard lesson for me because then, well, what the hardest lesson was, was somebody pulled it out and tossed it back at me. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And then I had to have an extraction of the spectacles that were then in my throat. And so, so you, you also like wanna be really careful with your extraction work. 'cause we were kind of low, got off track here with it. So that's, that would be like a whole good thing, but that you have to be trust yourself enough. But to know when your own projections are getting in the way is, is a big lesson for me. And I think that has to stems back to unworthiness too, where you have to have an opinion about something because the more worthy I got, the less opinionated I became.

Sandra Ingerman (20:42):

Right? Absolutely. Yeah. And then the less opinionated you got about yourself, you were able to step into the work, work fully. And that's what it's all about, you know? Yes.

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It's, it's when we step in fully, you know, that's why I wasn't doing, um, extractions that produced any results. I was kind of doing them right. I, I didn't feel worthy enough or that I could, or, or that I had the gift or, or the talent. And the truth is that in shamanism, the, the practice that I do anyway, we've studied with different teachers is that I'm never doing the work. It's always the spirits. And so unworthiness gets in the way of that because then we start to think it's, it's us. And so how I work with it is I sing, um, my, my spirit sung for about a half an hour before I ever work on anybody while my client is with me. Because during that half an hour, um, I only sing one song. It's the only song I sing in my healing work.

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And I never sing it for anything else. And I've been singing it for 30 years. So as soon as I start to sing it, Sandra goes away and the spirits are in. You know, and this is really funny, <laugh>, um, I had a, I had a, a really good friend who unfortunately died, um, uh, in 2000. And we used to talk about extraction work. And one of our ways of preparation was thinking about, um, shopping because as our mind was so focused on shopping, our spirits could embody us <laugh> and do the work. And so that was a, a crazy way of preparation. Now I use more of a spiritual way of singing <laugh>.

Renee Baribeau (22:41):

Well, I like that. But I, I think about it, one of the most fascinating things for me when I first started with this, these practices, was that I noticed, like when I think I've, we've talked about that when I used to cook, I would feel present, but I noticed when I started to rattle or, or move into that sacred space again, that I would get present. And I think that's a, a good way for people starting out to know, like when, when you're truly doing that work of service, you're present. You're not anywhere else but right there between you and, and the client. And you know, so those little, those issues of unworthiness and stuff are out of the way for whatever that moment is that you're in that session. But in order to grow as a, as a healer, as a leader, you're gonna have to go deeper in your own unworthiness.

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Like even, you know, for, for the show, when, when, when I was talking on an interview one day and Sandra said, huh, my guys are telling me we should do a show. And the first thing that goes is like, well, why me? You know, like, why, why would you pick me? You've got hundreds of teachers around the world. And so I had to go to another level of my worthiness place where it's not comparing about what you learned in your trainings and what I learned in my trainings, but somehow the winds came around and, and started to talk to me. So I must have done enough training that I was clear enough, like Isis said to write the book. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>.

Sandra Ingerman (24:13):

Yeah, absolutely. And, and I think what you're sharing about being present, you know, is really important because, um, uh, unworthiness is like a spiritual intrusion. It's interesting that we're talking about, we brought extraction in magically out of nowhere. You know, it's stories as we're talking about unworthiness, but it is, it's an intrusive energy that stops us from being present that stops us from enjoying life. And that stops us from fully entering into our work so that it makes a difference for us and then it makes a difference for others. And it, and it becomes a transformative energy in the world too.

Renee Baribeau (25:00):

I know, I, I think back to, uh, one of my worthiness stories, um, when I was doing some medicine work in Mexico and, um, I I, I set apart whenever I would do me, uh, medicine work, I always have a question 'cause that's how my teachers taught me that you go with a question. And my question was, was where does self-hatred live in my body? And I don't know how long this journey was, 'cause it seemed like it took forever, but I was showed layer after layer after layer of places where self hatred was living in my body, like in my organs. And, and all I had to do in that journey was to send love to that spot. And that's kind of what we're gonna do in our exercises. But that I'd send love to that spot and then I'd be quickly taken to another spot. And I was shown that the, the, the matrix that goes into the body is as far as, as far complex as the one that goes out. But you know, a lot of healers love to talk about, oh, in this dimension and that dimension. Well, I was shown that night that we're just as multi-dimensional inside as we are outside. And so the layers and layers and layers of work we need to do is extensive.

Sandra Ingerman (26:16):

Yeah. A lot

Renee Baribeau (26:17):

<laugh>.

Sandra Ingerman (26:18):

Yeah. No, you said that really beautifully. I, I've had a, I've had a fantasy that I've never, um, been able to manifest yet of doing a course where people only journey into, uh, their inner world and, and visit all the same territories that we perceive ourselves visiting outside of us to turn it in and realizing all those territories are inside of us and we can journey within that. We are multi-dimensional beings. Yeah, yeah,

Renee Baribeau (26:52):

Yeah. Well, I did it that night. So we could, we could do that on one of our shows and go, go into those layers a little bit deeper if we like, because it, it, it, it always confused me when people would say, well, there's this layer and this layer and this layer. And since I've always been more concerned with, um, like the emotional body and how, how I show up, because that was the biggest places that I needed to do so much healing in my life that it consumed me. And that night I started to pull it out. I, I turned it in with love. It was just a magical thing. And then I got to see where you were talking about the ancestry piece. I was shown that night that I was born into a village that wasn't welcoming me. You know? And I think that's a great place for people to do these work is like, to think about like, how do we welcome our children into the world? And I know when I was born and when you were born, it was those dark, dingy hospital rooms. But, you know, how do we welcome people into our village?

Sandra Ingerman (27:53):

Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. You actually touched on my core issue because I don't know what happened when I was born. Something happened because my parents loved me and I knew it. Um, but I've never felt welcomed here, ever. And that's one of the reasons I have such a hard time, uh, creating boundaries because I wanna make everybody feel welcome. Mm. And you know, you can't, you can't do that, you know, on, on the level that sometimes I try to do, you know, it's too much. And, and the work really is about how do we go back into ourselves and welcome ourselves into the world too, you know, if we didn't get that experience, because all of these states, whether it's not feeling welcome or not feeling worthy, they all weave together and they end up oftentimes leading us into behaviors that might be good for others, but aren't really good for ourselves. Like, if you're not feeling worthy, and oftentimes you wanna help too much, you know, and that's a real issue that, um, people who I train are always talking to me about, like myself, not having the boundaries of saying, um, this is all I can do right now. And feeling worthy and, and welcoming yourself is also a way of being able to do stronger work. Um, because if you, if you set boundaries, you do stronger when you know what, what is healthy, then uh, you do stronger work. <laugh>

Renee Baribeau (29:46):

That night I rebirthed myself into the community and, and there was a place when there was just the, the shaman's rattle that kept me even tethered to this world. 'cause I went so deep and I felt that he was tracking with me. I, I felt really safe and I rebirthed myself into a community that embraced me. And it, when I came back and, you know, the group was, was all, you know, talking again and stuff, he said, welcome sister. And it was like, it was like this, oh, I just got chills again. It was this like a, a wonderful experience. And, and so, um, we're at the place where we're gonna do our, our, our ex our experience. So, you know, take that and maybe welcome yourself back with this exercise that we're gonna do. Do you have anything to say before we start? Or you wanna say it afterwards?

Sandra Ingerman (30:38):

I'll say it afterwards. I'm excited. The practice, Renee, that you're doing is beautiful. And, um, I'm gonna pick up my drum.

Renee Baribeau (30:46):

Yeah, we're gonna try this. Everyone. We're, this is gonna be a, um, you're, you're growing with our community, so just know that we're gonna try something new. We're, I'm gonna, 'cause I'm gonna be using the wind whistle at a couple places and Sandra's gonna actually play the drum while I talk us through, uh, this adventure. And, uh, I've, I've called upon two wins to help us with this experience. And just a little short version of this. What we're going to do is we're going to find a place one instance, not the worst instance, not, you know, the biggest harm that ever happened to you, but a little instance that you can do with us you feel safe doing with us today. And identify it of a place where unworthiness got in your way from doing something that you dreamed. And then what we're gonna do is I'm gonna invite a wind in and it's gonna be bayou, the Vedic wind.

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And we're going to actually use Bayou who has a really strong mental power, mental capability to shift our thinking about how we hold this. And then we're gonna write it in the air. And you're gonna write it in the air, whether you feel it in your body or you can't feel it in your body. We're gonna write it in the air. VA's gonna come along on his deer and collect it up and he's gonna toss it off into space. And then we're gonna invite in another wind and I'll surprise you with that wind. And she's going to come in and refill up that space that you've just emptied out with the light of the sun and the light of, um, self-love. How does that sound?

Sandra Ingerman (32:24):

Wow. I'm ready. <laugh> <laugh>. I'm ready for that. <laugh>.

Renee Baribeau (32:29):

Alright, so let, um, why don't you start drumming and I will just, uh, feed in there. And this is the drum beat is to help you change your theta waves so you can, or go into the theta state so you can really, 'cause you might think you've got that idea, but you might not even know where we're gonna go today. So trust it.

Sandra Ingerman (32:46):

That's true. You might not know where you wanna go. So be open to surprises

Renee Baribeau (33:02):

And close your eyes. And we're gonna take three deep wind breaths in, and as you breathe in, hold it down in your, your pelvic area. Breathe that wind all the way down to your coic bone, and identify one time in your life where self worthiness got in the way of you doing something that you wanted to do. Whether it was writing or teaching, or getting a new job or going out for the partner that you wanted. Just identify one that comes to you right away. And if you're comfortable, look inside your body and see where this feeling is living. And if you're not, look to the outside and look at a situation that it caused. And I'm gonna call upon value to help you shift the way that you're thinking about that particular place. So if there's a pain in your stomach asked by you, what is the lesson here? What is the teaching? And if it's outside, look at the situation with different eyes and now write whatever that is on the air. I feel this self-hatred in my gut. I feel this as self-doubt I made, I could not decide to move forward. Actually see yourself with your finger writing it on the air.

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And we're gonna call Bayou again. And Bayou is gonna sweep down on his deer and he's gonna gather these thoughts and put it in into his windbag. And he is gonna tie that wind bag and he's gonna ride out to the furthest place in the galaxy. And he is gonna toss that windbag with all of our thoughts about the way something influenced us from moving forward and throw it out beyond the furthest star. And he steals it in space and time and in all eternity. Now scan yourself again. Scan your outer field, your inner field, and see if you've left a space here. Now that you've released that thought, and you can go back and do this again, but for today, we're just gonna release that one thought. And as I reach into the wind bag to see what wind wants to help us fill back up, I come with Amnet, these Egyptian goddess of things hidden in. She's the breath of life that nourishes us. So imagine yourself now, open your heart, open with Annette feeding the light of raw, the light of the sun in through your third eye, and bringing that third eye energy all the way down rein, informing your body with self-love, self-acceptance

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And light. Trust that that hidden wind is filling you up. And with her third wind breath as she's forming a big egg of protection around you so that you have ness to try out these new feelings of self love and love. And when you're ready, you can open your eyes and come back to this room and this time and space and, and move about and see if you don't feel a little bit lighter. I do <laugh> and thank you Sandra, for drumming on that. Was that worked out really well?

Sandra Ingerman (39:05):

Oh, great. I love to drum more than <laugh>. If I can drum 24 hours a day, I would have not one complaint in the entire world.

Renee Baribeau (39:17):

<laugh>, I always wonder how you get to all your spiritual practices and have time for a husband and a wife and all of the other stuff. It just seems like you must expand your day with all of your practices.

Sandra Ingerman (39:29):

<laugh>. I I'm trying to do that actually. <laugh>.

Renee Baribeau (39:35):

Right? And that goes back to did you create some, were you able to create some space for yourself in there with, uh, or were you busy drumming?

Sandra Ingerman (39:41):

Well, you know, typically I can drum and journey, but I need to be honest, I was watching you for a cue in case you wanted me to go up or you wanted me to go down. So now that I know, you know, in future practices, you know, I can go in and, and journey too. But, um, I could feel every once in a while I would close my eyes and, and I could just feel a different energy starting, uh, to move through me. And it felt, felt really good. And I, um, the wind spirits that you called in, I mean, how profound, um, it just really incredibly beautiful.

Renee Baribeau (40:21):

Yeah, you might, um, if you have a a if you have the winds of spirit at home, you might wanna go read on Bayou and read up on amt. AMT is a very interesting win because Amun got all the credit and actually they were, um, they were the counterparts of the masculine and the divine feminine together. And as they got separate, you know, she went hidden or she went quiet and he took all the, the credit for it. But sh she's one of the powerful wind goddesses and I knew you were gonna love that, uh, Sandra. 'cause I know you like Isis and she's, she's from that same, that same temple that same time.

Sandra Ingerman (41:02):

Yeah, yeah. And you know, um, the Egyptians, you know, they brought through an energy, you know, which so many of us are calling the ancient ones right now. 'cause so many people are, are talking about, oh, I heard the ancient ones singing. I got this amazing message from the ancient ones I've been bringing through unbelievable healing for myself and messages through the ancient ones. But they're the energy that the Egyptians brought through, that's the energy that they brought through. Some people say they were from Lamar, you know, it doesn't really matter. It's that energy. And that energy, uh, is a vibration that could move us to such places of transformation. It has the fuel to do that. And that's something that we're gonna explore next time. But you have to feel worthy in order to feel good enough about really entering into, I am willing to be a strong builder and build energetic blocks that are gonna form a new present and a new future.

Renee Baribeau (42:22):

So our, our one hope for you, or our one request for you is that to feel worthy enough to, you know, come into the shamans cave with us and explore these, who knows where we're going and these practices and these conversations and this intimacy, this relationship that's even forming between us and all of you as we go.

Sandra Ingerman (42:42):

Yeah. Yeah. It's very exciting. And um, just for me, the feeling I've had, um, my first vision quest, I actually did in a tiny little cave, I found, uh, on Mount Shasta. And, um, and the feeling for me of us being in the shamans cave together, it's uh, it's such a nurturing, uh, it feels like just being held by divinity, by the divine mother and the, the earth and the wind and the fire and, and the water. It's just, um, it just brings me comfort to know that we're in the shamans cave together. <laugh>.

Renee Baribeau (43:30):

Absolutely. And for those of you who wanna share your caves with us over in the Shamans cave, our group on Facebook, people are actually showing us pictures of their caves. And that's kind of cool too. So us come over, join us over there, make sure, uh, you subscribe to us on YouTube and share this with your friends who could really use some strength and guidance during these, you know, these tumultuous wind times that we're in. And I wanna thank you all for being here today.

Sandra Ingerman (43:58):

Yeah. And I also wanted to say that, um, we're going to make announcements on shamans tv.com so I know some people have been asking when's the next show? The next show will always be posted on shamans tv.com. So if you have any questions, that's where you wanna go. 'cause that's, we're gonna, we're gonna put the announcements. And so it's very exciting, um, as we start to allow, uh, the layers to unpeel that, um, has been, uh, covering up the destiny of why we all came in here together to just build beauty and continue to bring sing and beauty into the world. And so, thank you, uh, Renee. The practice that you let is really powerful. And now I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna listen and do it for myself, so I'm ready for the next session too. <laugh>, that's great. And

Renee Baribeau (45:04):

So we'll, we'll see you again very soon.