The Power of Pilgrimage: Shamans Cave

Renee Baribeau  has been talking about her journey ahead to walk the Camino. This led Sandra to think about how in many shamanic cultures the power of the healing often comes from the commitment you make and the sacrifice to get to the healing.

At a time on the planet where a majority of healing is going on remotely there are things to consider. Remote work does work well as the veils between the worlds are so much thinner. But what gets missed when there is no pilgrimage to get to the healing?

Join Sandra Ingerman and  Renee Baribeau  as they talk about this topic that some of you will feel fits for you while others might disagree. But it is always important to learn about different ways of working.

Transcript

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Renee Baribeau: Hello, everyone! Welcome to the Shaman's cave! I'm Renee Barrel, the practical shaman.

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Sandra Ingerman: Hi, everyone! I'm Sandra Ingerman, and welcome to the Shaman Cave, Reverend a push to record button. While I was writing notes.

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Renee Baribeau: I knew it, and I couldn't stop. We could start all over again. But now we're in so.

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Sandra Ingerman: No, this is perfect. We we want people to know that we're really human. When we do this show.

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Renee Baribeau: We are, you know. Sometimes I thought, like we've been talking about it for 6 years. Oh, we really should press the record once we get on the phone because we always have these most

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Renee Baribeau: esoteric and interesting conversations before we ever hit play. And and

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Renee Baribeau: you're just gonna have to just imagine what we talk about.

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Renee Baribeau: I can.

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Sandra Ingerman: Somebody sneaking some little AI thing into

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Renee Baribeau: And yeah, they'll ask AI, what did Rene Renee and Sandra talk about before they hit the play button.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah.

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Renee Baribeau: Prized.

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Sandra Ingerman: I have a little AI camera

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Sandra Ingerman: so that I can stand up sometimes, and I always wonder what it thinks.

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Renee Baribeau: I know I was the other day I was. I was writing, and I I've been using AI that

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Renee Baribeau: to, you know, to give me feedback on some of my writing, you know not. I'm not asking it to write my book, but I'm asking it, for I was. I wanted to ask it. So what do you think.

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Sandra Ingerman: What?

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Renee Baribeau: About this chapter.

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Renee Baribeau: and and I don't. I? Then I felt like now I don't know if I could handle you know what what AI thinks about, but I may just ask, so what do you think about my book? And please don't borrow it to give to somebody else.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah.

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Sandra Ingerman: get.

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Renee Baribeau: Well, we have an interesting topic for you today.

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Renee Baribeau: besides for AI and writing, and you know whether you think it's the evil step, sister or not.

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Renee Baribeau: It's here, and I really think it has its own intelligence. But so does what we're talking about today. It has its own intelligence is pilgrimage.

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Renee Baribeau: and it.

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Renee Baribeau: Sandra, will explain.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah. you know, Renee is taking people to walk the camino something I've always really wanted to do, because

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Sandra Ingerman: and the reason I've always wanted to walk. The camino is because of the principle of pilgrimage. What? What are you willing to sacrifice for the ceiling that you're asking for. What are you willing to sacrifice for this?

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Sandra Ingerman: the stream that you're asking for? And every year in New Mexico, outside of Santa Fe?

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Sandra Ingerman: There's a church and it's known for its miracles. And so every right before Easter

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Sandra Ingerman: people start from Las Cruces. So we're we're talking hundreds of miles, and they're walking up the highway. So the highway gets really crazy. You have walking with crosses on their back for days, dates, not sleeping, walking with crosses, gigantic crosses. We're not talking little ones, 6 feet crosses on their back.

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Sandra Ingerman: people in wheelchairs, people on crutches walking hundreds of miles. This happens every single year.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so

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Sandra Ingerman: what is it about pilgrimage that's so important?

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Sandra Ingerman: And when I was first I wrote my first article on Soul Retrieval that went into Shaman's drum.

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Sandra Ingerman: and after that article, and as I was writing my book on soul, retrieval, my power animal! Who does all my soul. Retrieval work came to me.

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Sandra Ingerman: and he said, Whatever happens, I don't want you doing any long distance, soul retrievables.

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Sandra Ingerman: And and I asked him why. And he said, because there was no sacrifice.

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Sandra Ingerman: People stay home. They watch TV. They know that you're just gonna do some soul retrieval for them. Where was the sacrifice?

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Sandra Ingerman: I had all these people from Hollywood who wanted to see me. But

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Sandra Ingerman: I I I didn't want their money because

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Sandra Ingerman: There was no sacrifice for them. That was easy. It was like, what are you going to do to sacrifice?

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Sandra Ingerman: And the last thing I want to say, because I know that this is a rich topic

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Sandra Ingerman: is at some point I had to move.

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Sandra Ingerman: and I had to move to a location that was actually dangerous to drive to in the winter.

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Sandra Ingerman: and I asked my power animal if I should get an office in town.

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Sandra Ingerman: And he said, Absolutely not, he said, it's the pilgrimage to your house, that is, gonna be the most important part of the work.

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Sandra Ingerman: and it turned out to be that it was my partner at the time he would. Every morning he would look out the window with his binoculars to see if the school bus drove off the road. If the school bus drove off the road. I tried to cancel

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Sandra Ingerman: my appointments with my clients, but most of them flew in from other places and didn't wanna cancel. So they came. They came up this dangerous road, and I lived with a builder who actually watches the shaman's cave and is a good friend and a wonderful man.

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Sandra Ingerman: He never finished the walls while I was living there. So here people had to go up on this road and then walk into this house that didn't have walls.

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Sandra Ingerman: and my healings were never as powerful as when I lived at this house. They were never as powerful because of what the fear that people had to go through, the surprise that people had to go through

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Sandra Ingerman: coming into this house.

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Sandra Ingerman: It. It opened them up to the power of the magic of the healing that comes from the spiritual worlds that doesn't come through while you're watching TV.

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Renee Baribeau: when you're talking. I was thinking of the pilgrimages that I used to have to take when I was healing.

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Renee Baribeau: and you know, when I was

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Renee Baribeau: 30 I opened my restaurant, and the next day my father had a massive stroke, and 2 weeks later my stepfather dropped dead of a heart attack, and

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Renee Baribeau: I quit drinking. But then I went into a major depression.

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Renee Baribeau: and so I had to take the pilgrimage to the the mental hospital, the lockdown board. But then, when I came back.

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Renee Baribeau: somebody told me about this aerobatic doctor in Rochester, and I was in Syracuse, so once a month

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Renee Baribeau: I would drive over to Rochester that 2 h drive to to Rochester to see this really special aerobic doctor, who also practice acupuncture, and it became it became the catalyst of my healing that I would

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Renee Baribeau: take the time out. I was running a restaurant that I would drive over there and give myself permission to have that time, you know, that was not. That was probably the first. And then, you know, then I had to

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Renee Baribeau: going through that healing. It was like, Okay, you've got all these Syracuse now, because you're not going to heal here anymore. And you know I had to drive across the country.

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Renee Baribeau: You know that I thought I was my one of my first. I thought I was going to to New Mexico, but I was there for 2 months in the mountain, like the apparition, like the

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Renee Baribeau: man, came in the living room and

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Renee Baribeau: blew the smoke west, and with, you know, and I knew I wasn't supposed to be there.

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Renee Baribeau: And you know. Then I went to got to the desert, and you know I had to sit on the mountain for 3 days and 3 nights. These were all

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Renee Baribeau: I mean, these were all really deep pilgrimages. And so I guess we get a little judge, Judy, about when you know our students are like, well, I can do this, you know. Free call on us on a one night, and but don't ask me to get on an airplane or a bus or a car. You know. I can't afford that, or I can't do that.

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Renee Baribeau: You know where. But where is my teacher?

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Renee Baribeau: Yeah, where is this teacher? Because everyone says, when the teacher is ready the student will come, but sometimes the student has to get in the car and drive cross country.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right.

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Renee Baribeau: And that's what's missing out of our our current state of affairs, as far as I can see, is like, what are people willing to do to heal.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right? Yeah, the the online, all the online work which came up during the pandemic

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Sandra Ingerman: really changed the world of healing. I I know I absolutely know

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Sandra Ingerman: a lot of teachers and practitioners will disagree with me right now, saying that the veils are thinner. Between the worlds right now, and remote work is just as powerful as a person being present.

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Sandra Ingerman: and I can see some of that because I do remote work, and I'm seeing people still getting miraculous healings.

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Sandra Ingerman: But I'm seeing something not happening because they just stayed home and waited my email. I don't even do zoom or or sessions. I. I work in my own time

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Sandra Ingerman: and there's just something that doesn't happen, because

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Sandra Ingerman: that of the effort. There's something around the effort. There's something around the sack. It's more than effort.

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Sandra Ingerman: Again, because I can see all the pushback from people. It's about the sacrifice.

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Sandra Ingerman: and there does need to be a sacrifice for healing. When I first moved here there was very powerful Shaman, and he still is a powerful shaman, and he's known for his beautiful books, Martine Practil.

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Sandra Ingerman: and when I first moved here one of the things I learned about Martine was that you can go. He's very powerful, he alert, and you had to make a pilgrimage. He lived. He didn't live in town. You had to make a pilgrimage out to where he was.

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Sandra Ingerman: and most of the time you came for your appointment, and he sent you away, and he told you to come back another day.

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Sandra Ingerman: and that is actually something that is very common in medicine work among native Americans is

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Sandra Ingerman: no. Come back another time. This isn't a good day. Come back another time. This isn't a good day.

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Sandra Ingerman: Sometimes it's because it isn't a good day for the sham, and they don't work like we do where you work, whether it's a good day or not.

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Renee Baribeau: And his.

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Sandra Ingerman: But a lot of times it's to show the commitment. Will the person keep coming back when you keep getting turned away?

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Sandra Ingerman: And that's classic. That's a archetypal kind of story.

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Renee Baribeau: Umhm.

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Sandra Ingerman: Of how many times will you knock on the door? What kind of sacrifice are you willing to make.

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Renee Baribeau: I think that's really so important. And and and we're not sitting here saying, Oh, you have to suffer, and you have to, you know we want you to be in pain, and, you know, dig into the bottom of your purse in order to there, there's that there's not.

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Renee Baribeau: It's not even.

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Renee Baribeau: It's not even that, because

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Renee Baribeau: I do my my spirit. I show up in service to my spiritual work because it's

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Renee Baribeau: what I'm here to do.

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Renee Baribeau: You know the fact that I work a full-time job. That's the sacrifice.

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Renee Baribeau: you know. That's the sacrifice, so that I could sit here and have these conversations, and you know. Luckily, sacrifices don't all have to be things you don't like to do.

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Renee Baribeau: you know we we think oh, sacrifice! Oh, you know, take a knife across your leg and get some blood drawn. But no, sometimes the sacrifices are

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Renee Baribeau: are things that we make choices about, but it doesn't. It could be a good thing I used to when I used to drive to Rochester every week I ended up finding this dessert pastry shop that I'd like, and I'd go afterwards, and I'd have a cup of coffee and a you know piece of cake with it, and the thing is is that for me was new.

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Renee Baribeau: To to drive myself somewhere and sit down and have, like the luxury of a a you know, a bakery and and time that was taking care of myself in a way I hadn't, so I think we have to to look at that like. So for me is a sacrifice. You know this job a sacrifice? Or did it help me build a new house, you know, I mean.

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Renee Baribeau: and make me be available to be present cause if I'm struggling in that present. It's it's not good for anyone. So you have to really look at what what you're sacrificing and what are the rewards from that sacrifice.

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Sandra Ingerman: Absolutely. Yeah. And

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Sandra Ingerman: I think everybody who's come to a particular place in life realizes how much they had a sacrifice to get there.

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Sandra Ingerman: But there's a belief in the spiritual community now that

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Sandra Ingerman: that no, I can just sit back.

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Sandra Ingerman: I can just sit back and let it happen.

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Sandra Ingerman: and sometimes you have to actually meet the universe with so much energy around what you're asking for.

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Sandra Ingerman: And some of the online work, what it's done is, yes, the veils are very thin.

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Sandra Ingerman: but what's the level of commitment around you? Healing? And what? How much are you? How much are you opening up? And opening up usually means that something

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Sandra Ingerman: opened opened you up. And that. And for most people that's the pilgrimage. It's actually the journey to get to the healing.

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Sandra Ingerman: So I know that most people who are listening now are doing online work and aren't really going for a lot of you are going for 1, one on one healings in person.

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Sandra Ingerman: They do work the remote healings. They do work. I'm just trying to bring in an aspect of something that we're really losing as a culture that

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Sandra Ingerman: I think it's just good to reflect on. You might different opinion. But it's good to reflect on. And I know, Rene, you're getting ready to do the camino, and I know that. I know that it's it's about creating a change in your life and putting a pause and

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Sandra Ingerman: making a change. I don't know if you want to say more about that.

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Renee Baribeau: Well, there's so many levels. Because, first of all, it's like there's only so many hotel rooms. So you have to share a room. And for so many of us who like Oh, I'm gonna be those you know, those luxury, luxury, spiritual travelers who could afford their own accommodations. It's not a choice.

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Renee Baribeau: you know. So there's that

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Renee Baribeau: you know. There's this idea like you can only pack 33 pounds.

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Renee Baribeau: So you you have to sacrifice what you want to carry? There's you know, and then somebody who can't walk, you know, asked me, Renee, would you? Would you film some of the walk for me.

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Renee Baribeau: you know, and then they're like, well, they have. I'd be happy to do that. So that's gonna take a little weight. And what I'm gonna bring to film, you know, some of the walk, but you know, then he's and this is what

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Renee Baribeau: this is. This is what I need, is

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Renee Baribeau: he? Absolutely, and it came today. Sent me the book by Sonia Choquet

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Renee Baribeau: when she took the walk like like, and I haven't even walked for him yet, and he's like already responding with, you know. So there's that sense of like all the people I know who wanna walk, who won't walk, that I'm gonna take on this journey with me as well, including some of you at home, and

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Renee Baribeau: you know I'm kind of social, so I probably will share some posts along the way.

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Renee Baribeau: But the the the thing is is that I there's what I've sacrificed to get here was that I didn't get that covid lockdown break.

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Renee Baribeau: I've been in overdrive since 2,019.

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Renee Baribeau: And now Spirit says, Okay, now you can. Now you can go take a walk. So to me it feels like a vacation, too, you know, like the the I sacrificed all of this so that I could finally

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Renee Baribeau: be here enough to do this. So I think there's there's gonna be a lot to learn, a lot to gain.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, and you're doing something for yourself.

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Renee Baribeau: I know right. It's like a coffee that I haven't had in 20 years, with a little pastry.

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Sandra Ingerman: That's right. Yeah, yes.

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Renee Baribeau: Surgeon.

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Sandra Ingerman: That's the real gift, and and that is part of a sacrifice is you're making a statement of how much you care about yourself

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Sandra Ingerman: that you're willing to take this journey for your healing for help. For time out. It's really about caring about yourself enough.

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Sandra Ingerman: It's not just about dragging your body. You're actually asking for something.

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Renee Baribeau: Steve.

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Sandra Ingerman: For something for yourself.

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Renee Baribeau: And I am, and you know, on on a more. You know more of a level. It's like, you know, I've been working since I was 16 and I'm 66. So I've been working for 50 years.

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Renee Baribeau: and I'm I'm really evolving into the next phase of my

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Renee Baribeau: next phase of my evolution, and I don't exactly know what that looks like.

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Renee Baribeau: and you know, I can't imagine me not working, so I'm sure it has that component to it, but it's like I want to do it with a different kind of spaciousness around it. And I think if that's the one request I'm taking is, you know. How do how do I? How am I of the world, in a service to the world, and of service to, you know, enjoying, you know these last 20 some years on this planet.

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Sandra Ingerman: yeah, yeah.

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Renee Baribeau: I'm a little bit more if I'm having fun.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, it's like a vision. I mean, I've shared this story. That's how Isis and I connected. I fastered on fruit for 30 days and sat in the over a hundred degree heat in the mountain of New Mexico

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Sandra Ingerman: for 4 days without food or water.

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Sandra Ingerman: finally saw a vision of a grandmother telling me that I had to come into the sweat lodge and lay down.

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Sandra Ingerman: and I had a dream. And that's when Isis came to me and said, I'm coming to you as a teacher to help bring harmony and peace back to the earth again.

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Renee Baribeau: Hmm! I love that.

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Sandra Ingerman: Would I have met Isis if that was a big sacrifice

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Sandra Ingerman: for 30 days for me, and no food or water in in the high mountains, and during the summer.

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Sandra Ingerman: What a gift that I got! What an amazing gift.

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Renee Baribeau: Hmm.

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Sandra Ingerman: I was willing to make that sacrifice.

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Renee Baribeau: And and for any of you at home who have Donna Hambleche, or who have gone on the mountain with no food and no water.

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Renee Baribeau: There's something even the the vision didn't come right then.

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Renee Baribeau: But there, there's something that really happens when you really go out there and cry for that vision. And I'm not saying that it's for everyone.

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Renee Baribeau: And you know, maybe Sandra and I did it a time when you know more people were needed needed that strong, that energy of doing that.

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Renee Baribeau: But

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Renee Baribeau: I wouldn't turn away any of the experiences that I've had, and any of the sacrifices that I made for for anything.

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Sandra Ingerman: No.

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Renee Baribeau: When I am 95, sitting on the couch, I'm gonna get to reflect on some really magical moments that happened in my life, and

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Renee Baribeau: as hard as they've been as good as they've been as funny as we've laughed.

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Renee Baribeau: You know it. It's just

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Renee Baribeau: this big piece of juicy lemon cake.

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Sandra Ingerman: Well, that's a wonderful image and and

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Sandra Ingerman: experience of thinking about eating a really nice lemony cake right now.

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Renee Baribeau: Right. Everyone's gonna be running off to the store.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, sometimes, you know, we're not saying that we have the final word on everything. Sometimes we're just trying to bring up a a conversation about things that are are getting lost in

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Sandra Ingerman: In some of the older experiences of Shamanism some of them should be are supposed to be lost, because Shamanism evolves with the culture, with the the changes of the culture.

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Sandra Ingerman: And and so sometimes it's just nice to reflect on some of the old practices that we don't hear about anymore.

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Sandra Ingerman: because we have moved into working with everything with technology. Now.

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Renee Baribeau: Hmm!

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Renee Baribeau: Well, if you like, this conversation make sure you hit, subscribe, hit, share. Tell us about your pilgrimages and your sacrifices, and not so much. You're suffering because that's a different topic. This is about really making a sacrifice in exchange for a spiritual experience that alters the course of your path.

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Renee Baribeau: and we'd love to hear about that.

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Renee Baribeau: And

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Renee Baribeau: I think that's it for me.

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Sandra Ingerman: That's it for me. Blessings everyone.