Burnout: Shamans Cave

Sandra Ingerman and Renee Baribeau  have been working very hard to be in service. And being in service is both of their passions and bring them energy and joy. But when there is no exchange of energy they both found themselves experiencing burnout.

So many of us in life were taught giving is always better than receiving. But in this case, there is no harmonious flow. Without a flow of energy coming back the river simply runs dry. And that is happening for so many right now with all the stresses life is bringing to us.

Join Renee and Sandra for this important show on making sure the flow of giving and receiving is abundant so you can have abundant energy in your life. Follow Us at the Shamanstv.com

Transcript

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Sandra Ingerman: Hi, everyone! I'm Sandra Ingerman, and welcome to the Shamans cave.

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Renee Baribeau: And I'm Renee Barribeau, and we are really happy to be here with you today. And look at who Sam is here, too.

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Sandra Ingerman: The sound is so sweet.

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Sandra Ingerman: so Renee and I thought that we talk about a burnout today. I think we're both feeling a little bit of it ourselves. And so it's a topic that we thought that we bring up today.

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Sandra Ingerman: And

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Sandra Ingerman: I know that for me.

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Sandra Ingerman: I tend to have been an overgiver throughout my life.

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Sandra Ingerman: and I know that many of you oftentimes write me that if I would take more time off I might be feeling better. You know, people have a lot of opinions on things. And I think for me it's not that I need time off, because I love to work and and work actually empowers me and

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Sandra Ingerman: the work that I do. I've spent my whole entire life doing so it's what I love. But what I don't love is how much people ask

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Sandra Ingerman: without giving anything in return. And there's an amazing amount of asking going on right now, from anywhere, from

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Sandra Ingerman: promote my book, endorse my book. Never met the person in my life. Don't know who they are. So many people asking for money. So many people just asking, Will I support their work.

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Sandra Ingerman: but never saying, Can I do anything for you in return?

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Sandra Ingerman: And so,

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Sandra Ingerman: We talk about in our culture that giving is just good as giving, and you should just be happy giving, and you should never ask for anything back.

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Sandra Ingerman: But Renee and I have done endless shows on sacred reciprocity, and how in Shamanism one of the biggest principles is about reciprocating. And so when you're putting out energy

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Sandra Ingerman: energy needs to come back. There's the flow. It's like, if you, those of you who get into scarcity consciousness

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Sandra Ingerman: when you start making money, if you actually give more money

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Sandra Ingerman: out as donations. It's amazing what ends up coming back to you.

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Sandra Ingerman: And people don't understand that they don't understand the process of when you give, and you give something back even when you don't have the energy to do it. Something magical happens where all of a sudden

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Sandra Ingerman: everybody feels empowered, and everybody feels more energy to to keep going.

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Renee Baribeau: Me.

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Renee Baribeau: There's so many there's so many things I could unpack from there. I was working on on my book, The Practical Shaman, this week, and I was writing a section on Give

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Renee Baribeau: cause. I'm always seeing people like on on Facebook and other places talking about I need and and reciprocity as as this, like, I deserve to charge $300 a session, because then we're in right relationship. And then, you know, you know, in the the deal is clean and we can move on.

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Renee Baribeau: And

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Renee Baribeau: so I was doing a little research. And I got back to the National Geographic about.

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Renee Baribeau: because

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Renee Baribeau: in in Peru it. The I need reciprocity was

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Renee Baribeau: a farming concept.

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Renee Baribeau: and they were. Imagine they're working on these steps because, you know, the Incas took all the good land, and they got, you know, the steps along on the top of the mountain, and they, you know, they were potato farmers.

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Renee Baribeau: Just imagine what it's like to dig. Think about about your living room alright, and they're all potatoes in your living room, all under the earth, and you've got a living room full of potatoes to dig up

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Renee Baribeau: about 1,500 pounds of potato for the year.

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Renee Baribeau: Well, you can't possibly do that by yourself, or if you do, you're gonna be really tired. And so the the concept of reciprocity came about like that. Today you're all good. The whole community is gonna come over and harvest my potatoes, and then tomorrow we're all gonna go over and harvest your potatoes. And because when you're harvesting with a group of people, then you're laughing, you're having food, you know they're drinking the cheecha and all of that. But that this idea of

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Renee Baribeau: you know, this one on one reciprocity when it's convenient for me isn't really like what this is all about.

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Renee Baribeau: And and and you know that, Sandra, we've been doing this podcast what for 6 years.

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Renee Baribeau: Really, the money comes out of our pocket

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Renee Baribeau: now, you might say, well, that's good for promotions, or you're just doing this. You know, we have some contributors, but for the amount of people listen to it. It it's more like.

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Renee Baribeau: let me take off this. Well, instead of what am I giving back to the flow of life, and you might be turning around, giving it to the flow of your community. I don't know that you'd have to let us know. But

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Renee Baribeau: you know we do this because we are givers of service. We we believe in what we're we're saying and what we're doing. And you know, I don't think I've ever gotten resentful about showing up and doing this.

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Renee Baribeau: and that's a good sign. And does it always come back like for my workshops filling up, or people buying my books. Hardly ever. It's.

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Sandra Ingerman: Thanks.

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Renee Baribeau: Hey, Renee? I get so much from this

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Renee Baribeau: sign up for a workshop, Zip, you know crickets. So I don't know. Maybe I'm just funny on camera, and you don't think I'm a good teacher. I I who knows.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, it's it's it's we're we're really dealing with

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Sandra Ingerman: changing phases on the planet, you know, because when I first started teaching Shamanism, when I,

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Sandra Ingerman: when I would come into a group.

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Sandra Ingerman: My God! The group held space, and we had so much magic that happen. Everybody came in so energetic. Nobody wanted a bathroom break I've talked about in Europe. I'd be trying to sleep, and they'd be drumming in the basement all night.

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Sandra Ingerman: Didn't wanna stop because they were gonna be going home to these little villages where they probably get burnt if they say they went to a shamanic workshop. So I was used to all this energy in my workshops. And it was beautiful.

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Sandra Ingerman: And then email came in and everybody showed up to my workshops with their computers, their cell phones, every every break. Instead of talking to people, they were running out to check their emails or make phone calls.

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Sandra Ingerman: And what I started noticing was the first thing people would come up to me and say.

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Sandra Ingerman: Is not Sandra? It's nice to meet you, it and not saying my name, and I never met these people before. And it happened in every single workshop when computers when email came in.

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Sandra Ingerman: I cannot tell you how exhausted I am.

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Sandra Ingerman: Not. Hello! It's nice to meet you. It's nice to be at this workshop

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Sandra Ingerman: just walking up to me straight and saying, I can't tell you how exhausted I am

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Sandra Ingerman: so so what started happening at that point was, I was the only person holding space and workshops.

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Sandra Ingerman: and where I used to go home and couldn't sleep for 3 days, cause I'd be so high from the workshop and from the group. I was coming into my front door and laying down in the hallway of my front door. I I couldn't stand up because nobody brought any energy to the workshop. It was all just me.

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Sandra Ingerman: And now, we're in a new phase of people are. Still. They're listening to courses while they're doing their dishes and cooking, and

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Sandra Ingerman: and you know, not getting not getting the full energy of what Shamanism is. But but now people don't wanna take a course, and they don't wanna read a book they want to learn about Shamanism on Facebook, and there is no way to teach about shamanism on Facebook. It's an experiential. You have to. You have to dive into it. So

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Sandra Ingerman: we keep moving from being able to hold space for each other like what you're talking about, if I need, really is a community coming together. And well, I'm a little tired now. So I'm gonna hold space for the group.

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Sandra Ingerman: And we don't see that anymore. We we just don't see that anymore. And it's it's interesting because, we also don't see the magic of the miraculous ceilings that we used to see anymore, too.

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Renee Baribeau: Yeah, I taught a class recently for the College of Psychic Studies, and they required the students to come live.

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Renee Baribeau: which was like.

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Renee Baribeau: it was a first. I mean, it wasn't a class of 100 people, but it was a class of over a dozen people, and everyone was there. Everyone I everyone got to put their name in and talk a bit. And and you know we did some techniques. And then they shared their experiences, and it felt like

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Renee Baribeau: a deeper connection than say, when you're just talking, you know, to that. Somebody might be listening later. You don't even know if they're you know, someone cyber stalking, you, or you know.

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Renee Baribeau: or that they're really there. And everyone showed up on camera.

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Renee Baribeau: and you could see the whites of their eyes. And it was really different. It was a really different experience. And I know, you know that for me it's been really important to do things more

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Renee Baribeau: in person, in in community like that. And I really think that

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Renee Baribeau: I I may just change the the practice of teaching windwork into like 1, 3 h, 4 h clump, so that people have to show up live if they're going to, you know, get it. So I can see who's there, who's who's participating and how they're gonna get back in the future.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right?

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Sandra Ingerman: Right?

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, no. We're in an interesting stage, because on one level.

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Sandra Ingerman: I see the spiritual community evolving way past anything I've ever seen before

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Sandra Ingerman: on another level. I see people who are staying incredibly stuck

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Sandra Ingerman: because they don't have the energy or the curiosity.

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Sandra Ingerman: I think it goes along with not having the energy to be curious about what would happen if I really stepped in and really participated.

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Sandra Ingerman: Gave my all in health space. What would happen. And so I I think that we're again at a changing phase. We're always at a changing phase in our culture. And I think that

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Sandra Ingerman: people who are really showing up are evolving at levels. As I said, I've I've never seen so far. But a lot of people are just always gonna go. I wonder I wonder why I'm not

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Sandra Ingerman: getting any help in life. I I wonder why? I wonder why everybody's talking about the miracles that are happening for them. And I'm not understanding. And I keep asking on Facebook, teach me about shamanic healing. Teach me about shamanic healing. So I can get to this place that you're at.

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Sandra Ingerman: Teach me on Facebook. So yeah, so we're just we're at another choice period where.

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Sandra Ingerman: For people to make a choice.

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Renee Baribeau: And it really. And it really causes. You know, it does cause burnout it does. It's it's doesn't feed. It's not the fertilizer that we need.

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Renee Baribeau: You know, I I always keep saying, Oh, you know, like

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Renee Baribeau: that. I'm doing the community community beach cleanup.

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Renee Baribeau: you know. Why, cause the community comes. They bring their rakes, they bring their shovels, we all clean the beach. We have a hot dog or not a dog, or whatever you're gonna have, and then we know each other. So when we walk around the neighborhood, we we say, Hey.

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Renee Baribeau: thanks for coming to the beach cleanup, and we feel like we're a part of something, and so you might not have a beach to clean up. But you certainly have a park, or you have a you know there's something that you can get participating in that is bigger than your computer screen.

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Renee Baribeau: And it really is what refeeds refeeds us. It's just

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Renee Baribeau: I do a behavior Healthcare Conference at Ucla.

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Renee Baribeau: and it's in person.

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Renee Baribeau: And you know what happens there.

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Renee Baribeau: Something magical happens beyond the speakers who are talking behind the participants who are coming, and it there's like there's a magic that happens when people get together. Get up a little bit early, go for the gong bath before they hear the next. You know new scientific discovery.

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Sandra Ingerman: Can't.

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Renee Baribeau: Do that so well on a on a computer screen, when you can just shut down your your

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Renee Baribeau: nobody sees you. You can hide, you know you show up in your jammies. We don't even get dressed anymore.

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Renee Baribeau: Are we just that tired? Are we? Just that lazy? I I don't really know which.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, I don't, either.

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Sandra Ingerman: I I only dress for the shaman's case.

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Renee Baribeau: I could dress for today, too. Put on the shirt.

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Renee Baribeau: Sometimes I even put on lipstick.

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Sandra Ingerman: I've been wearing 2 sweatshirts for 2 years now.

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Renee Baribeau: What we

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Renee Baribeau: tired of just giving and getting

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Renee Baribeau: and not we're not talking. We. We trust me. Both Sandra and I live really nice lives.

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Renee Baribeau: We've worked really hard in our lives, and we have a lot of things a lot of other people don't have.

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Renee Baribeau: And you know, for me, I had to go back to work in a job because I got so frustrated by the lack of support that I felt in the spiritual community. I thought, I'm either gonna be resentful

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Renee Baribeau: or I'm gonna go get a job that's gonna pay me so that I can do my spiritual work in peace.

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Renee Baribeau: And you know as I get ready to retire. It's like I want. I want that to switch.

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Renee Baribeau: I want the community to show up and support.

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Renee Baribeau: You know, the 30 years plus of work and the teachings, the 10 years of teaching and say, yeah, that I can support this.

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Renee Baribeau: And if not.

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Renee Baribeau: you know, maybe I'll stop teaching.

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Sandra Ingerman: Mate, are you.

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Renee Baribeau: Stop it, but you know I'll teach. I'll teach

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Renee Baribeau: the neighbors how to build a fire. I don't know what I I don't know, cause. It's in my nature to teach and to be show up in service.

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Sandra Ingerman: You're always gonna be teaching. Yeah, I realize that I always say I always say publicly that I write my books for myself, which is true. I

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Sandra Ingerman: I've as we know people who are really drawn to Shamanism are wounded healers, and so I have been on a path

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Sandra Ingerman: all my time in Shamanism, of being in service, and I also have a really strong practice of using Shamanism to heal my own life. And so I always say that I write my books for myself. I really do.

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Sandra Ingerman: and some of my books I can, I can tell you, even though

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Sandra Ingerman: I have all these Facebook pages and email lists. Some of my books have sold less than a thousand copies.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so what I realized is, they really are just for me. So I'm going to start going back

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Sandra Ingerman: and reading these books that I wrote for me because they were so filled with information from me

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Sandra Ingerman: of of living life and and weaving together mysteries that I've learned from spirits and and how I can use it to heal my own life. And so I finally come to well.

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Sandra Ingerman: why? Why am I so?

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Sandra Ingerman: Why do I get so upset when a book only sells a thousand copies

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Sandra Ingerman: when I really wrote it for me. So so I've realized that I'm actually moving into letting go of how much sharing I'm doing and going back to more reflecting on

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Sandra Ingerman: on my own life, and and where my own life is going to, and that feels really good to me. I love to teach, so I'll always teach, and people show up

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Sandra Ingerman: to my workshops. But I'm definitely I'm definitely backing away. And and I think it's appropriate. I'm 71 years old. And so it's that time of reflection.

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Sandra Ingerman: it's it's a new phase. And so I just see that we're moving into really really new phases. A lot of shamanic teachers are realizing that they are burned out. A lot of students are realizing that they that

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Sandra Ingerman: they're only willing to participate to a certain extent. And so that's where their shamanic practice is. Gonna end up. You end up where you put your energy into.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so it's just an interesting time of, I think people reworking where they really wanna focus their energy so that they don't get burned out because of all the information that that we're flooded with through social media and through the news. We all have to make healthy choices of

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Sandra Ingerman: what is burning us out. Is the news burning us out? Is social media burning us out? Is people asking for too many things and not giving anything back. Burning us out? Is not having people to hold space in your life burning you out. We all have to look at. Where is it that we don't feel that there's a return coming back.

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Sandra Ingerman: and that might be your answer. Of what your next step of letting go is, if no return is coming back.

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Sandra Ingerman: it might be time to say

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Sandra Ingerman: I need to make a different choice.

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Renee Baribeau: yeah, one of my one of my spiritual friends. She's been doing dating, dating workshops. I think people just are reinventing themselves in a lot of different ways, like, you know, like she's doing dating, you know, on an our on our little island, and and it's feeding her. So sometimes we need to take a break from, because to me.

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Renee Baribeau: So someone was writing on the windwork piece of wind wall lately the wind clan wall, she said. Oh, my dream is when I don't have to work my full time job anymore. And I can stop hiding

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Renee Baribeau: my Shamanism.

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Renee Baribeau: And I'm thinking like

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Renee Baribeau: that to me is just an excuse.

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Renee Baribeau: I bring my Shamanism to work every single day, you know. And somebody yesterday, said Rene, you have so much, you have so much nerve that you say these things out loud to people. And they're like, you know, I'm not gonna sit here and just cosign people's bullshit.

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Renee Baribeau: you know, because if I'm gonna be here, it needs to be in a certain impeccable standard. And it doesn't mean to say that I don't have to get along with people. But if we're gonna say we're, we're offering conscious health, then we need to be offering conscious health at all levels. Not

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Renee Baribeau: when it serves us to say, we're doing conscious health. But over here we're, you know, creating a little shaky deal on the side. It doesn't

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Renee Baribeau: how you show up for anything in your life is how you show up for everything. So when my editor said, Oh, you seem, this isn't have your normal vitality. I and I have to look at it first. My first response was, what do you mean? It's a great article. What do you mean? That was a really good article.

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Renee Baribeau: Yes.

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Renee Baribeau: but I am tired.

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Renee Baribeau: I just came through a a season that was like really demanding for me to grow spiritually, and

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Renee Baribeau: if it doesn't show that I'm tired. Then it's just fake.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right?

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah.

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Sandra Ingerman: yeah, yeah, yeah. I think, I think again, people are looking at that. I I just wrote my next transmutation news.

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Sandra Ingerman: And one of the things that I wrote and I've written this before is when when the lockdown happened all over the world.

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Sandra Ingerman: I kept getting phone calls from a native American elder who I have so much respect, for. He's just such a humble and wise man.

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Sandra Ingerman: His name is Jose Lucero, and he is an elder at the Santa Clara Pueblo

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Sandra Ingerman: and he he would keep calling me and leaving me messages on my phone. Sandra, please tell people to lead lead a simple life. Please tell people to lead a simple life

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Sandra Ingerman: and and we talked about that. We we did shows and leading a simple life after Jose was so passionate about me sharing this

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Sandra Ingerman: and I think that. That's where people are actually now getting back to. They're looking on how complicated their lives have gotten, and and people are burnt out. And so I think that every single one of us, Rene and I, just happen to be in a service

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Sandra Ingerman: world where we

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Sandra Ingerman: where we do give.

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Sandra Ingerman: But we both have to set a boundary about when is enough is enough. You don't give yourself until you die.

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Sandra Ingerman: And for a lot of people a lot of people are making choices right now. A lot of people are making choices. Right now. I I read something fascinating. I don't know if it's true, but I read in the news that in China young people are giving up savings to retire. Early talking 2030 s.

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Sandra Ingerman: And in America. Generation z, which many of you listen from generation Z. And I applaud you for making this decision are making a decision that college isn't gonna bring you to any place. And so a whole entire generation

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Sandra Ingerman: is going back to learning how to be plumbers, carpenters, service industry, where they feel that their efforts will actually pull something in instead of working for a corporation who's always pushing them out with AI and other things.

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Sandra Ingerman: So we're really.

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Sandra Ingerman: we're really turning things around. And I think for a younger generation they're looking at what future makes sense for them

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Sandra Ingerman: and for those of us elders who have been out there

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Sandra Ingerman: in the collective working in that way. Don't, don't take break, don't rest. You can do it, you know. We're all at that place where we're burned out, and looking at a new way of living a simple life.

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Renee Baribeau: Absolutely. I think we've hammered this nail into the new

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Renee Baribeau: plumbers, into the new plumbers. Pipe

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Renee Baribeau: We will all be happy when there's more plumbers in in electricians, and for sure.

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Renee Baribeau: and be able to get one

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Renee Baribeau: but you know, like

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Renee Baribeau: I think you know what you have to do and how you have to be so. How are you making those changes in your life? And you know, are you tired? Are you burnt out, and are you giving back.

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Renee Baribeau: you know. Have are you giving to the flow of life, or are you just damming it up by just, you know, keeping pulling on it, and only you know those answers. We don't know that for you, but we do like you to subscribe. We do like you to follow the Shaman's cave. We do like you to share it with your friends, and, you know, help us keep, you know, maintaining

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Renee Baribeau: our message out in the world.

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Sandra Ingerman: Absolutely the more that you share the more that you give back and the more that we keep giving. And so

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Sandra Ingerman: we're back in in the flow, and the river of life will always bring us to a good place as long as we know how to take care of ourselves. During the journey.

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Renee Baribeau: Thank you.