Oracle Work During the Solstice and Times of Change: Shamans Cave

Renee and Sandra had a wonderful call chatting with each other about many different topics from copyrighting your writing to how every change in life is a death and how we can find a roadmap for walking our path following the river of life by doing oracle work.

This show is filled with so much wonderful conversation that contains so much wisdom as we move into the time of winter and the return of the sun. The dark and light always must be balanced for life on Earth. 

Join Renee and Sandra and you feel like you are sitting with them drinking a cup of tea!

Transcript

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Renee Baribeau: Hello, everyone! It's Rene, the practical shaman.

. Hi, everyone. This is Sandra Ingerman, and I welcome you to the show.

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Renee Baribeau: And I think I didn't tell you my last name, so I'm Rene bearable in case you're looking for me by my name BARI, BEAU.

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Sandra Ingerman: I know now that we're on audio

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Sandra Ingerman: It doesn't really make a difference, but I guess people need last names because they don't see you. I don't think I think everybody who listens to us knows who we are.

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Sandra Ingerman: so maybe that's what a lot.

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Renee Baribeau: People been finding us lately like we've been doing this. We're in year 6 season 6. And people say, I just found your show. And thank goodness, because there's 6 seasons to go back and listen to, full of wisdom. And for those of you who are who are seasoned listeners, you know when you're looking for a topic, you can go over to shamanstv.com, you know, or over to the Youtube or over to the your favorite podcast place

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Renee Baribeau: and put in a search. And we have topics on absolutely everything. Make sure you like and subscribe us while you're there, and and then you'll be updated when we release a new show.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah. You know, I was never a Youtube person ever.

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Sandra Ingerman: And now I'm finding. Instead of going to doctors, I'm finding Youtube videos for me.

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Sandra Ingerman: They're fixing me better than any chiropractor, any massage therapist, or any doctor could do so.

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Sandra Ingerman: And I'm sharing these with my students who are having nervous breakdowns. Right now I'm sending out all these links. I have like 20 links of these different videos that

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Sandra Ingerman: release every single muscle in my body.

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Renee Baribeau: No, I didn't send me that one the I know. Last week I got the my Jacuzzi had to get fixed, and the Guy put in all of these new parts, and then they leave me this handbook, and the Handbook has.

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Renee Baribeau: you know, directions. But I'm there like I don't understand this, I like Google, the up onto the Youtube. And like, sure enough, this guy has a 3 part lesson on how to set the timer.

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Renee Baribeau: how to keep the temperature. And I was like, right. And so it's like, I think the the Manual Handbook is going by the wayside for that reason. That's why, I've been doing my Wind Walker oracle readings every week

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Renee Baribeau: on Youtube. I'm trying to build up the Youtube channel. And I figure there's 52 cards or 64 cards in the deck. That'll be 64 lessons. That'll take me all of next year. So if you're not following the practical shaman, go over and follow the practical shaman, too, which is my separate channel. And then I don't really think you do. You add to your channel on Youtube.

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Sandra Ingerman: I don't think I have a channel on Youtube. But every

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Sandra Ingerman: do a podcast or an interview. I see myself on Youtube. So. And I have a million videos that people took at my workshops without permission.

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Renee Baribeau: Oh!

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Sandra Ingerman: Something like I have a list of, not because I'm trying to bust anybody. When people want to know about my work, I send them a list of Youtube videos of everybody who videoed me at my workshops without permission and put them on Youtube. So I send everybody my Youtube links to learn about my work.

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Renee Baribeau: It's really funny.

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Sandra Ingerman: I mean, we're trying to get the work out there. So.

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Renee Baribeau: That's true. You could still put a copyright on them if you want a copyright thing. I employed that method once when somebody took my work and changed it around, and then put it out as their own work. And I did put a copyright infringement on it.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, that's really important point. Because a lot of people are writing blogs now and things now.

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Sandra Ingerman: So if you don't, I copyright every all my newsletters, and every article that I write. If you don't put that little C in your name, and the year

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Sandra Ingerman: somebody can take your article, put your name on it, and you can never. You can never share your work again, because it belongs to somebody else.

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Renee Baribeau: No.

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Sandra Ingerman: Law, that's actually the law. So those of you who are writing out there just you don't have to contact an office. You just put that little C your name and the year, and that's legally makes it your work. And that's how I protected soul retrieval was. I knew it was going to take a long time to write the book.

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Sandra Ingerman: So I wrote in a long article for a Shamanic magazine that doesn't exist anymore, and copyrighted it. Otherwise

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Sandra Ingerman: that work would have gotten out there, and somebody else would have written the book.

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Renee Baribeau: Well, luckily there are certain things

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Renee Baribeau: this wasn't what we were going to be talking about, but this is really important, because there is so much work being extrapolated and borrowed. So I think this is a topic that's really timely, you know, before I sent out the very 1st box of windwalker wisdom oracle.

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Renee Baribeau: I did get them copyrighted on, you know, with the copyright office and things like that, and you know, and I had done some other work in my life that I had gotten copyrighted. When you write a book.

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Renee Baribeau: you, you know, when you get

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Renee Baribeau: your stamps and stuff, or like, even if you're going to self publish a book, you should real. It's worth taking the time to

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Renee Baribeau: learn how to get the you know the Bowker or the, you know, get the numbers and stuff like that, so that your work is protected, because

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Renee Baribeau: right now people are just, I mean, go over to the shaman's cave and look at these posts that people are making like they that their original ideas, I mean, like, it's, where are you getting all of this

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Renee Baribeau: long information that you're sharing like that is, you know, from God's ear to your pen or God's mouth, God's lips to your pen.

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Sandra Ingerman: I actually am a publisher, because I self published a book of all to Grace. I'm a publisher. My publishers. My publishing name is Moontree Rising Productions.

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Renee Baribeau: Nice. I'm enlightenment productions.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, so.

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Renee Baribeau: And I never used it until just, you know, just recently, you know, for you know, a Pilgrim's Guide to Walking wisdom which, by the way

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Renee Baribeau: it's available for pre-order. It won't be in your. It won't be in your mailbox until February 5.th

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Renee Baribeau: But at on February 5th the odd, the audio recording the ebook and the published book is gonna be available. And

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Renee Baribeau: I really highly recommend it. It's it's it's about as practical insight with 11 little wisdom tidbits, and it's real easy read, and people are really liking it. So I'm just throwing that out there.

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Renee Baribeau: We did have a topic.

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Sandra Ingerman: We do have a topic. But I just want to say as we're just sharing that before we move on to the topic that

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Sandra Ingerman: I just wrote. I haven't sent it to my webmaster yet, but I just wrote my January Transmutation News, which is my monthly Newsletter, and I'm on my 26th year, now missing a month.

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Sandra Ingerman: and before it was the Transmutation news it was a column called Default to Grace.

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Sandra Ingerman: and that was for 2 years. So I am going. I've had 28 years of months of newsletters

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Sandra Ingerman: that and I have had 13 to 14 to 15 translators. They change over time. So

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Sandra Ingerman: it goes all around the world. And if you ever want to get on my list to get my newsletter, just go to sandra@sandringerman.com and sign up on the email list or just click on the transmutation news and read it.

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Sandra Ingerman: I do have to say I wrote this in January, that in 28 years I haven't written anything new. We're still in the same place that we were 28 years ago.

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Renee Baribeau: 340 thoughts. Later, we're still.

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Sandra Ingerman: So.

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Renee Baribeau: Tickling around.

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Renee Baribeau: Maybe because you're about 20 issues away from a full 360 degree circle.

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Renee Baribeau: almost ready to move 20 more issues, and we'll move into something new. How do you like that?

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Sandra Ingerman: That'd be great.

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Renee Baribeau: That's great. That reminds me. I'll just have to send you about my book launch before

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Renee Baribeau: the February one goes to press

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Renee Baribeau: and also another. I mean, since we are giving a few little updates before we get started, Sandra has a class coming up.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, so for over 40 years now I've been teaching a beautiful course on working with death

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Sandra Ingerman: as a shamanic rite of passage, because death is a rite of passage, and and death is our physical death when our cycle ends and we move on, and death is every change that we make in our lives.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so

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Sandra Ingerman: I've simplified the course a little bit because it's online. So I'm not teaching like how to do psychopath work, how to move souls that are stuck in the middle world. That's advanced work that shouldn't be taught online. And so

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Sandra Ingerman: this course is for people who want to learn about death for themselves, who want to meet in a journey a loved one, a pet who died a plant, who died trees that died

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Sandra Ingerman: you can meet any any being that left this great earth, because in journeying we're journeying outside of time

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Sandra Ingerman: how to sit with people who are dying to give them a graceful, beautiful death, how to do memorials, and how to work with grief, how to

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Sandra Ingerman: how to help family members. So it's a very comprehensive course, using Shamanism for how death is a natural cycle, and how it's a beautiful cycle, and how we can work with it to understand it for ourselves.

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Sandra Ingerman: So many people took this course and said, I don't think I'm ever going to use anything you taught, and I always hear from them later that this was the most important course that they ever took

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Sandra Ingerman: because of how they were able to help their loved ones, and how they were able to help themselves and get a greater understanding of our cycles. That change which is also part of our topic today is around changing cycles, and every changing cycle is a death.

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Sandra Ingerman: So I have a an Intro call

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Sandra Ingerman: talking a little bit about the course. But the course starts in January. And if you get on my email list, you'll learn about it. But

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Sandra Ingerman: we'll post something about when the course starts to.

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Renee Baribeau: Yeah, go over. If if you're not a member of the shaman's cave on Facebook, but also when we when we post when we drop these episodes. We always send an email out with our

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Renee Baribeau: things that are going on with with the both of us with our own individual work. So beyond. Join our email list@theshamanstv.com as well. If you want to know.

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Renee Baribeau: And you're not on one of our lists

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Renee Baribeau: or get on both of our lists and the shamans tv.com, because we only use that list for this show.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right, yeah.

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Renee Baribeau: So yeah, that's great.

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Renee Baribeau: death work is so important, and I so totally agree with you that

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Renee Baribeau: it was some of the most profound work that I did in my Shamanic training, and how many times in my life, when people have been dying, that I knew how to be a witness for them, their experience and not my own personal.

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Renee Baribeau: you know, baggage around, you know the loss or how I was gonna feel, but to actually show up and be an honorable witness. So I think it's really important work.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, yeah, so we're both doing really important work. And

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Sandra Ingerman: and it's work that really reflects the change of seasons that we're in.

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Sandra Ingerman: And to

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Sandra Ingerman: I'm actually leaving in the Tarot my death year, and I'm ending my death year teaching a course on death as a right of message, which is pretty interesting.

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Renee Baribeau: Rather than leaving.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so

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Sandra Ingerman: The Tarot has been a real guide for me in every year of my life, and I've been working with the Tarot. As long as I've been working with Shamanism for over 40 years now.

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Sandra Ingerman: and I use it for myself as a roadmap. And so, especially using numerology, we change the year that we go into on our birthday every year. And so it's a really good time of reflection, of making changes.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so Rene is is actually putting on a summit that deals with oracles. And it's such a perfect time as we're moving into the solstice.

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Sandra Ingerman: which is a change of seasons, which is a death which means we're letting go of something. And we're welcoming in the new. And the wonderful thing about oracle work is that oracle work provides us a roadmap. It actually gives us the tools.

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Sandra Ingerman: So for myself, I can see by the card that I have for each year what my challenges are going to be what I'm going to be facing. And what are the tools that I'm going to have that help me move through.

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Sandra Ingerman: And I think that's what all of us need our roadmaps. And so I'm really happy that Rene is doing this summit so that you'll learn more about oracles.

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Renee Baribeau: So for a lot of you who've been following us for 6 years every winter. I do the IM symposium, which is the winter solstice gathering where fire tenders from around the world hold space during summit, which makes it really different, is, people are actually tending to their altars during the presentations during the other times, and you know, with the new Wind Walker wisdom oracle that just came out, I thought, well, what a better time

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Renee Baribeau: you know I have that marketing head. You know I work in marketing. You can't help me from that.

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Renee Baribeau: but I'm there like well, what better time to bring in the oracle power this year into the Symposium, because we've never really themed it that way. And I'm very, very excited about

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Renee Baribeau: this year how we're gonna do it because there's

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Renee Baribeau: you know this, the Wind Walker wisdom oracle is the the oracle that I brought through with the winds

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Renee Baribeau: for the last 10 years. Now the Tarot has, you know, a lot of archetypical, you know, meaning because it's been around a lot longer. It hasn't been around longer than the wind. I'll just tell you that. Let me just give you, but, like some of the other people who are going to be presenting have created their own oracles.

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Renee Baribeau: and you know, and and you can make your own oracle deck many years ago. Deborah Kauf Chapin is one of the presenters, and she has the soul cars, and one time, like 25 years ago, I walked into this bookstore and this there was a woman reading the soul cards, and I'm there like

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Renee Baribeau: I like that oracle

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Renee Baribeau: no words. It was just pictures. And over the years when I would do readings for clients. These pictures develop their own symbols for me because I would see them. Oh, oh, you're pregnant, you know, like I would see them over and over again for the same situation, and you know I just ran into a woman last

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Renee Baribeau: week in Baja, and she goes oh, I don't know if you remember, but you read for me way back 14 years ago, and you told me I was pregnant.

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Renee Baribeau: and sure enough, our kids are turning 14, or you know it was, and it was just like so the oracle, when other people read it for us, can give us insight. But when we start to use the oracle for our own insight, which we're really calling you to do at this time of the solstice when you're going in.

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Renee Baribeau: is even more powerful.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, and it really is about intention. And so I studied with a teacher who I really loved. And she was a Capricorn like me

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Sandra Ingerman: had the same archetype in the tarot as me, and I took her beginning Tarot class, I think 6 or 7 times she would see me sitting in the class, and would just look at me, because

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Sandra Ingerman: every time you take the same class you go so much deeper.

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Sandra Ingerman: Anyway. She

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Sandra Ingerman: She's a controversial figure in the Tarot world because she did her own interpretations.

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Sandra Ingerman: But I only work with that one deck, and it's the Crowley deck.

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Sandra Ingerman: And Crowley actually switched 2 of the major arcana intentionally to throw people up the path.

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Sandra Ingerman: but I still read it the way I was taught, even though the cards are changed.

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Sandra Ingerman: and in 40 years of doing readings.

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Sandra Ingerman: because it's the only deck I use.

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Sandra Ingerman: and it's the only deck that connects me to the universal Tarot gods, whoever they are.

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Sandra Ingerman: it's always a hundred percent accurate. It's all about intention. It's like Rene is saying. People are making their own decks, but because they put so much intention into it. The cards are alive, and so they speak to you as living beings, as real living beings, whether they have historical significance.

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Sandra Ingerman: whether the person who designed the cards intentionally changed the meaning.

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Sandra Ingerman: If the intention is correct, you're right in the flow of the oracle.

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Renee Baribeau: I love that because the Wind Walker Wisdom oracle is so new, one of the things that I did was I created a oracle circle for the year, because I learned when I came out with winds of spirit, was that I brought the work in, or I. You know I wrote the work down. I don't know that I brought it in, but I wrote it down, and you know the book wins the spirit. But now I birthed this oracle again. It hasn't been on the planet in thousands of years, right? So.

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Sandra Ingerman: It's.

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Renee Baribeau: Not up to me to assign it the meaning.

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Renee Baribeau: But I'm really. I'm very curious, because there's like 230 people in the circle already like.

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Renee Baribeau: So if we get 300 400 people in a circle who start working with this, these.

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Renee Baribeau: these archetypes, these wind archetypes, what we're going to learn.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right.

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Renee Baribeau: You know what we're gonna bring in? What energies that are these winds trying to to share with us? And I'm like

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Renee Baribeau: Uber excited about that, because one of the things that I learned with winds of spirit was, I had students who went far deeper in the wind work than I did.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right.

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Renee Baribeau: You know, they had a way, different relationship, and you know, cause I'm me

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Renee Baribeau: right. Some people are way more ceremonial, more intentional. And I mean.

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Renee Baribeau: you know, it's just like we go back to that story. When when Sandra was given the soul retrieval, and she said, Oh, no, I can't do this we'll find somebody else who will. It's the same kind of thing it's like.

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Renee Baribeau: I sat down to do it.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right. It doesn't mean I'm the keeper of the community.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right? Yeah.

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Renee Baribeau: And so that's how that's how it works. And so that's why the the 13 years, the I am symposium that people come together that they hold the most beautiful altars. I'm like always in awe, because, you know, I've got my candles and my little Alt. I mean, I've gotten better over the years, as Sandra can, I testify? But you know there's people who do it with such beauty and grace, and

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Renee Baribeau: I'm sure the divination that they're receiving may be far wiser than anything that I could ever hope to tap into.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, and and just to give some really practical tools, because everybody's always asking, well, so you work with oracles and you divine information. And we have these wing cards, and we can go really deep with the wing cards. But how?

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Sandra Ingerman: And so there's 2 ways that I I teach. And I've taught workshops using these 2 ways, so I know how well it works.

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Sandra Ingerman: So 2 ways that you could work with the wind cards, or any oracle deck that you're unfamiliar with, you know, besides doing your own work and going out into nature, and all of that that we've been talking about for 6 years.

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Sandra Ingerman: 2 ways to work is where you do automatic writing with the card where you put on. This is how I do it. There are different ways to do it. I look at the card. I put it up on my altar, so I put the wind card up.

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Sandra Ingerman: and I look at it. I stare at it.

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Sandra Ingerman: and then I have a piece of paper, and I have this nice music on, and I close my eyes, and I put on the piece of paper.

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Sandra Ingerman: What is the message of this card to me now?

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Sandra Ingerman: And I just let my hand write. It doesn't matter if it's going downwards. Crossword doesn't matter how it's going. You're letting your unconscious do the speaking because you're unconscious

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Sandra Ingerman: symbols. Speak to the unconscious. That's what Young taught us.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so your unconscious is now making a connection. So you're writing out what your unconscious got from this symbol, which is the truth?

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Sandra Ingerman: The other way, I've worked with it. If you're a shamanic journeyer is, I actually have people go into the card

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Sandra Ingerman: and talk to the symbol, actually have a conversation with it. And I taught a whole workshop on the tarot using that. So those are 2 ways that I've been using for 40 years to help people and myself.

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Sandra Ingerman: Interpret oracles.

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Renee Baribeau: Hmm! Those are great, and you know for sure that I'm gonna be having those as part of my oracle circle. The you know, the other one that I've been liking is

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Renee Baribeau: the 3 cards.

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Renee Baribeau: And to tell a story, you know, one's a beginning, one's a middle and one's an end. The other thing is, for years in the Wind group we the wind clan. We've been making prayer flags, 12 of them.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right.

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Renee Baribeau: Now the thing with the 12 prayer flags for me is that if you don't do them with indelible ink, they wash away the 1st rainstorm which we've learned, and sometimes the name blows off, and I've learned how to do it. And the other thing is is, I realized that it's really difficult to pull a wind for each month

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Renee Baribeau: and then keep track of it. So this year I bought and I'm gonna be doing a workshop in in January. With this is, I bought these canvas flags.

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Renee Baribeau: and I'm going to have people still pull the the cards for the year.

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Renee Baribeau: Interpret it with one painting on one flag.

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Sandra Ingerman: Oh! Nice! So.

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Renee Baribeau: Yeah, yeah, I'm very excited about them. I just got. In fact, it just came in yesterday. I'm very happy about this, because I just know that for me. Have it, I find pulling one card and working. This is what we do. We pull one card and work with the wind for the entire month. Now, what people don't quite understand about the wind energy is that when you pull a wind spirit card or a wind Walker oracle card, it's an energetic.

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Sandra Ingerman: This is.

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Renee Baribeau: With the Tarot you can actually. So this morning I pulled. I did a reading on Feng Popo.

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Renee Baribeau: I call in Fang Popo.

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Renee Baribeau: I call into that energy. We always want to call to the quality that's on the card, but no call to the energy, you know whether it's the Knight of wands. Call to that knight of wands to come in and actually teach you. It would take you way further, deeper than just calling into cause we're so attuned to. Oh.

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Renee Baribeau: I got courage. No, you got Feng popo me her! We're shamans.

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Sandra Ingerman: That's what I was saying by actually journeying into the.

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Sandra Ingerman: Journey in, and you actually talk

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Sandra Ingerman: to the Knight of Wands. And what does the Knight of Wands have to teach you? And it's not going to be. It's it's exactly like people looking up their power animals.

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Sandra Ingerman: If you actually journey into a card into a wind spirit, you're going to get an individual teaching for yourself what the meaning is for you.

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Renee Baribeau: Absolutely. It's like in in my new book, A Pilgrim's Guide to Walking Wisdom.

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Renee Baribeau: People say, Why do you have a bear on the cover.

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Renee Baribeau: I said, well, you're gonna have to read the book to find out like

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Renee Baribeau: the bear hadn't shown up in my life in a very long time. But the bear showed up 3 or 4 times last year, and

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Renee Baribeau: you know, sometimes we just take these things for granted. And all of a sudden, you know, we get that little spiritual kick in the butt. And I think that that the same thing goes when you're

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Renee Baribeau: we forget when we're we're asking for direct revelation that we've asked.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right.

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Renee Baribeau: And it's gonna come.

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Renee Baribeau: and it may come as a feather in the path in front of you or a rock you trip over. But once you ask, the universe is obliged to answer, and so are you in relationship to the asking. And the answering is really, I think, the important question when you're working with oracle space.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, absolutely. And again, we're also bringing in. We're talking about multiple topics on our show.

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Renee Baribeau: I know.

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Sandra Ingerman: We're also bringing in the solstice, and the solstice is such a perfect time for really starting to do that work where you take those symbols within better, where your unconscious can actually work with how those symbols are actually changing you, how those

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Sandra Ingerman: those beings because they're not archetypes, they're actually beings. So how are those beings actually changing you? And what does that mean for your life? And and what are the changes that you're going to have to make, and the winter solstice is a wonderful time to start. This process.

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Renee Baribeau: Yes, I'm kind of coming to the completion of a whole winter solstice cycle from last year. So I'm really, I'm really looking to see with anticipation what's going to happen at the fire this year, and for those of you who want to join us. It's imsymposium.com, or go over to the practical Shaman website, and you can get to the Firetenders gathering from there. But last year at the fire

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Renee Baribeau: it went silent.

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Renee Baribeau: and it had been a period where I started seeing this 1111 over and over again. And then there was this silence at the fire that I just thought was one of the most beautiful divine moments that I had had. I thought, okay, well, that one one's done that was just

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Renee Baribeau: pollination. And actually it was the beginning of you know the new book, the Oracle, and all of those other things, so I don't know. I never did add up my numbers from last year. Now I'm going to have to look to see what what year I was in at all. But so

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Renee Baribeau: so the solstice is, and and to do it with intention, like with the the IM symposium. It's just so intentional that shifts. Happen.

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Renee Baribeau: You don't have to do it in this group with me you could just do it with your own self. But it's a really powerful time to call in a shift.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, yeah, it is definitely, yeah.

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Sandra Ingerman: Well, I think we've ran through about 16 topics today. I hope you're following along with us.

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Sandra Ingerman: As Rene sitting here talking because I do the write ups for our sitting here going? Okay? Cause I just do 3 or 4 sentence write ups. It's like, okay, how do? How do I do write up on this?

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Sandra Ingerman: It's today.

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Sandra Ingerman: I will do it. But.

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Renee Baribeau: With business advice and moved into spiritual advice. I kind of like that.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, no, I think that this was a perfect show for the solstice. And we did talk about a lot of topics, but they were important, and they're important for ending a cycle and starting a new cycle, which is what we're going into. So

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Sandra Ingerman: I wish everybody a really beautiful solstice, and that you do your inner work, and that that's how you're going to find the resilience, the strength, and the new creative energy that really wants to move through you

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Sandra Ingerman: so that as the cycle shifts, and as you move into a new cycle, you start to create the life that you would like to live filled with purpose and passion. And that's what we're all here for. So thanks everyone.

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Renee Baribeau: A hold of that.

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Renee Baribeau: We'll see you over at the Shaman's cave, please like and subscribe and share this podcast with your friends, and and have a beautiful blessed solstice. And I was just thinking, I'm going to end with this, that I'm going to also share in the Shaman's cave. One of our early one of our earlier solstice years, where we actually did a ceremony. I'll put a link up to that as well, so that you can go back and look on our website for that. And also in the Shaman's Cave Facebook group.

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Renee Baribeau: So have a beautiful day and happy holidays.