Rising Above Overwhelm and Stress: Shamans Cave

If there is one thing that many people understand all over the world is that we have entered a time of true chaos where we our reality is being shaken up. There are all kind of possible outcomes that can happen and no one is privy with the knowledge to know where the creative forces of the universe are leading us too.

Are you taking on too much by reading about every international chaotic event instead of finding practices that keep you centered and embodied so you can count on your body’s and heart’s wisdom now?

Join Renee and Sandra as they explore the topic of overwhelm and share some of their favorite tools they use in their spiritual practices to stay centered.

Transcript

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Sandra Ingerman: I, Hi, everyone! I'm Sandra Ingerman, and welcome to the Shaman's cave.

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Renee Baribeau: Hello, everyone! I'm Rene Bearable, the practical shaman, and I'm happy to be here with you today for this exciting topic.

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Sandra Ingerman: So I think a topic that everybody can relate to. I don't think that. Well, maybe some of you are relating to it, but

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Sandra Ingerman: I think most of us are feeling pretty overwhelmed today. And what I've been writing about on Facebook is about we actually entered a time of chaos just really complete chaos in the United States.

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Sandra Ingerman: But my students from all over the world are emailing me and messaging me about the chaos their countries are in. So this talk isn't just about America. This talk is about the collective, the whole entire collective, whether you're writing me from Croatia or Slovakia, or from Germany, or from England or South America somewhere.

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Sandra Ingerman: or America. Everybody is sharing the same thing with me, and

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Sandra Ingerman: and the part of the conversation that this show is on, because there's a lot of conversations that I'm having that are beyond the show that we can do today

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Sandra Ingerman: is just how overwhelmed people feel with so much coming at them all at the same time, and so so many of us, without realizing it, have entered into what we call a dysregulated state.

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Sandra Ingerman: where we're not actually grounded in our bodies anymore. We actually dissociated. And our minds are just crawling around the universe somewhere trying to figure out.

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Sandra Ingerman: what do I do today? How do I act today? How do I behave today? And most importantly, how do I stand up and get out of bed today? Because that feeling of overwhelm. It paralyzes us. It's like.

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Sandra Ingerman: where do you even start when you're in that place of overwhelm? And just to give one tool that I find really helpful is, I find that when I'm in that place of overwhelm, I am not looking at the perspective from an eagle's eye.

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Sandra Ingerman: and if we raise up ourselves and fly above the planet and fly above the earth.

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Sandra Ingerman: That's a real way of just giving our entire psyche our body space

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Sandra Ingerman: and allowing us to feel our actual spiritual power that we do have, instead of getting lost in the chaos of our ego

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Sandra Ingerman: that has forgotten that what's happening now is out of the realm of humans and is in the realm of spirit, and that we really have to do our spiritual practices to really get out of a state of overwhelm right now.

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Renee Baribeau: Hmm!

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Renee Baribeau: But that made me take a deep sigh of relief.

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Renee Baribeau: As many of you know, that I've been in a book launch phase since early fall.

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Renee Baribeau: and right before I launched the Pilgrims Guide a few weeks ago I

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Renee Baribeau: I got to a place where I crashed into the wall, and for me that probably looks different than other people. But it was like

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Renee Baribeau: I realized that I was just on autopilot

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Renee Baribeau: and autopilot pinging with all of the news that was going out in the world, and you know, at the time there was, you know, the airplane crash, and there was, you know, the the chaos is being thrown at us politically, and

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Renee Baribeau: and plus my own spin, you know, just my own spin with it, and I had to stop.

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Renee Baribeau: and so I took myself on a on a journey.

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Renee Baribeau: and gave myself a Friday night off to do that.

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Renee Baribeau: and I saw that what was what was not going on in my life was that I wasn't having an embodied experience of everything.

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Renee Baribeau: and you know, and that could be a form of protection, too, like there's just so much coming at us that the 1st thing, especially if you've ever had severe trauma in your life. The 1st thing you do is you check out.

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Sandra Ingerman: You leave your body.

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Renee Baribeau: And what I realized in in the the time that I spent with myself that Friday night was that

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Renee Baribeau: I if I was disembodied, I could not show up in service

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Renee Baribeau: the way that I needed to show up for other people, and that that it wouldn't matter if I connected to one person or a million people. But if I couldn't connect with one person in an embodied way, that I that, and wanting to be there in an embodied way. It was a 2 part thing that I was not. Really.

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Renee Baribeau: I was not really being effective.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah.

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Sandra Ingerman: I, way, before a lot of chaos hit our planet, although we've been in chaos for a really long time. Now.

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Sandra Ingerman: I started taking pretty much every nervous system program that was ever created. Part of it was for me learning new tools, because as a therapist, I got my therapy degree in so early in the 19 seventies, therapy has changed so dramatically.

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Sandra Ingerman: It hasn't actually changed that much. It's in that. The core principles of all the old time therapy that I was doing is still the same. It's just the practices have changed. And so I've been trying to update myself on how

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Sandra Ingerman: everything is changing. And there's really, really beautiful work going on. And for those of you who are feeling like you're really struggling and really need help, you can find some really good nervous system programs online that really do help people learn how to get back in their body. If you're really having a problem

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Sandra Ingerman: dissociating. And you really feel like you need some extra help.

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Sandra Ingerman: But what I found for myself, you know, I've done all this work. I've done so many therapy programs for my ceus for my license this year. It's unbelievable.

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Sandra Ingerman: And then stress, and all of that. And for me everything boiled down to as simple as it gets. And this is where I am right now in dealing with the chaos, and the overwhelm

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Sandra Ingerman: is the only thing I do when my mind starts racing, or when I feel an anxiety or an agitation coming up, both my husband and I move into places of agitation where there's energies out there, and we're feeling them. And our body is starting to really react. But we don't know what to do.

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Sandra Ingerman: And of course walking is always the best thing for that. But the one practice that I'm just focusing on. And I'm not shifting from this one. Practice is every time my mind goes somewhere. Every time I feel a pain in my body. I ask, what is my heart trying to say to me right now? So I'm only listening to my heart.

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Sandra Ingerman: and I am listening to my body, but more about foods and herbs that I should be taking to bolster my own immunity and my own strength right now, because I got thrown off my path by listening to experts instead of listening to my own body.

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Sandra Ingerman: So all of this chaos and all of this overwhelm that is being experienced on the planet. How I'm working with it is just

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Sandra Ingerman: what does my own body need right now? And what is my heart trying to say to me, just to me, not about the world, but what's happening with me.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so I'm working with that. And I'm working with the feelings that are coming up. And I'm doing my medicine for the earthwork and going inside and saying, this is definitely something. I'm feeling a real hurt that I'm feeling right now.

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Sandra Ingerman: And it's from my past.

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Sandra Ingerman: And that road actually doesn't exist anymore. So I can't go back there anymore. And so the only thing I can do is say I'm sorry to my heart, and feed it with love, and breathe and do my exercises, and walk.

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Sandra Ingerman: and I found that just by bringing everything back to myself right now. And it's not a selfish act. This is not a selfish act. This is how I regain my strength and my resilience so that I can get back out there and be in service again.

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Renee Baribeau: As you're talking

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Renee Baribeau: as you're talking and you've been. You've been talking about this heart thing for a minute, because I I've heard it a couple of times, but it finally clicked in with me of something you just said about

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Renee Baribeau: how you shifted your focus in the last couple of months. From what everyone else was telling you, and you know what you what you're listening to your own heart, because, you know, we've been sitting here together for what 7 years, and and I know, like you know, that of all the things that you've tried, and this new embodied approach seems to be

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Renee Baribeau: making you the happiest and most settled, and the most, you know, like even ready to teach in in person again. And so I am like really happy for you.

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Sandra Ingerman: Oh, thanks. Yeah.

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Sandra Ingerman: Well, I think it's something that can take us out of the chaos, because right now

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Sandra Ingerman: I've been writing about how we're getting stuck in the chaos. And when we start to about overwhelm.

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Sandra Ingerman: I think about we don't even know a minutes part of what's going on on the planet. What we're seeing is so minute on what's going on in the rest of the planet.

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Sandra Ingerman: And if you let your attention go everywhere, and I've watched my students do that over the years. It's like, well, we have to do work for this place on the planet. We have to do work from this place. And

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Sandra Ingerman: all of a sudden we're spreading our energies to so many different places. It's like, what are we doing? Are we having an effect on anything, and I think that's a real place of overwhelm for all of us when we start putting our attention on too many of the problems.

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Sandra Ingerman: We get split and we get paralyzed because there actually is no way to fix them. There is, we're we're we're living in a situation right now

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Sandra Ingerman: that might be fixable at some point. But right at this moment is unfixable.

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Sandra Ingerman: and so to stay out of overwhelm. We have to pick where we want to put our energies right now, because there's too much. There's too many places to put our energy right now.

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Renee Baribeau: Yes, and one of the things that I recently saw was after I took myself out for this Friday night adventure. It's always great to see what comes up like immediately following a deep journey.

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Renee Baribeau: And so, sure enough, I wake up this morning, and there's

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Renee Baribeau: a semi bad review on my vrbo about ridiculous things, and but

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Renee Baribeau: I get tossed off my game, and I think that that we, you know, we were talking about reviews and book reviews and things that people can say about us that really have. No, they're not our business.

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Renee Baribeau: How you and interpret something, and and what it brought me back to was like the the fact that

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Renee Baribeau: there was that the plane crash with the helicopter.

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Renee Baribeau: Ask yourself, where did you choose to focus your attention on?

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Renee Baribeau: I felt really sad that all of these creative figure skaters.

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Renee Baribeau: you know, after a really and and they were Russian and American they were. They were. They had a common goal to figure skate that we just lost all of these really talented people on our planet.

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Renee Baribeau: That's where my sadness went.

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Renee Baribeau: To whose fault it was, what they did, what they didn't do, who you know who's to blame, and that I took a moment of silence, and sent a prayer to not only those skaters in their family, but their parents were with them, and how many other people were affected, that their other children who were at home, who weren't with them now are parentless.

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Renee Baribeau: and that to me was like, that's sad.

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Renee Baribeau: And if I can't feel this, if I'm so in to whatever the theory is about, why this happened, I can't experience the sadness. And so my trauma just gets frozen and locked instead of actually taking a minute to grieve.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right?

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah. And that's what I'm saying by, I go into my heart with everything first, st because

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Sandra Ingerman: it's taking the moment to figure out how I'm feeling, instead of letting my mind try, interpret what just happened, and honoring those who died honoring those who are suffering from certain changes that are going on right now.

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Sandra Ingerman: being able to be able to hold space. I can't hold space unless I'm in my heart I can't.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so, when I allow world events to trigger me too much, so that I actually can't read my heart anymore. I'm not a shamanic teacher anymore.

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Sandra Ingerman: I'm not. I'm not doing my work anymore. I can't help anybody if I'm in that place. I have to. I have to stay in my heart. A shaman is a person who sees from their heart, and so I am getting better at seeing, because I am only staying in my heart right now. It's a choice that I'm making

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Sandra Ingerman: for my own healing and and not just about getting out back out there in the world I already am. I just finished a 1 year in person program and teaching online. Currently, it's not about for me getting back out there again. It's being able for me to keep being able to stay in a particular strength

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Sandra Ingerman: that I know from what I've been through in 72 years of my life.

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Sandra Ingerman: the strength that I had as a kid, as a teenager, as an early adult. It was phenomenal, and I've realized that I'm letting the world take me away from a place that I've always depended on my own resilience, my own strength. I had no support

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Sandra Ingerman: that just happened to be my destiny. And so where am I giving my power away now to, and not trusting that part of me that got me to the age of 72, through amazing amount of catastrophes and traumas that happened, and trying to find that place again, and where that place is again is in my heart.

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Renee Baribeau: That makes me think about that. You know for me some of the plates ways that I've gotten back to myself over the years. Well, it's always been through walking.

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Renee Baribeau: and it's all which I call wind walking, but like when my cat died that taught me how to love.

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Renee Baribeau: You know. I went to Chile and did a horse trip through the mountain and

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Renee Baribeau: and walked up high. And it's exerted myself because I I'm 1 who's so busy that when I take myself out and take myself for a walk.

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Renee Baribeau: spirit probably can talk to me. There's probably a couple of times spirit can talk to me when I'm sleeping and when I'm walking, and the rest of the time I'm just, you know, busy, busy, busy. And so

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Renee Baribeau: you know, for me, that's that walking works so at home, you know what works for you. You know. The the other thing that works really well is my wind whistles.

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Renee Baribeau: because when you use the wind whistle and you exhale, you expel the air all the way till there's none. You're you're vacant inside, and that vacancy allows for me and other people that I've seen. I've worked with people with, you know, bipolar disorder and stuff. Who that breathing with the wind whistle will bring them back into their into their bodies as well. So you need a trick.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then and then it becomes habit, you know, if you keep working with it, you know, on a regular basis. I was listening to a podcast that at some point I'd like to do a show with Rene on because I felt that the information was so extraordinary.

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Sandra Ingerman: but one of the pieces of information. And this comes from Harvard Medical schools. It takes 8 days to create a habit.

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Sandra Ingerman: and so, you know, doing something positive that you're finding is the show is on stress and overwhelm, doing something physical every single day, for no matter how small it is for 8 days starts to create a pattern of you walking out of the state of overwhelm into a different state.

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Renee Baribeau: Hmm! It was funny, because when you were telling me that before we got hit the record button you were talking about how simple it is one of the things she mentioned was talking to the checkout stand person and asking them how their day was. And

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Renee Baribeau: some of these things are become so rote for me, because when I was 30 and really struggling, I started to practice, I started changing those behaviors. I started to do things like just to be grateful for when I woke up, and for the air that I breathed in that day, and you know, for the simple things, and

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Renee Baribeau: I'm sure, over the time that has become a habit with me is making sure I talk to the checkout person, and also a lot of times I'll talk to somebody behind me or in front of me in line, and just say something simple like.

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Renee Baribeau: And it's usually sincere. Wow! That's a great color sweater you have on.

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Renee Baribeau: and I saw somebody lift up the other day in the the parking lot of whole foods when I'm there, like, I really like those colors in your sweater today, and she just like.

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Renee Baribeau: smile right?

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Renee Baribeau: What does that cost? It costs? It costs a few words out of your mouth.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, yeah, I wrote this in one of my books. It happened a really long time ago, but it was such a striking. You had to be there to to really see how striking it was.

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Sandra Ingerman: I used to go to the post office every single day, 7 days a week to get my mail. This is Sandra Ringerman, and God forbid somebody didn't get a response back from me the next day. I felt like the world would end.

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Sandra Ingerman: So anyway, I'm in the post office one Saturday, and you know nobody's there. The post office is closed down. I was there late, and there was a man, a Hispanic man, and he was reading something by the window, and I could really see he was really upset.

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Sandra Ingerman: and I walked in, and I gave him the biggest smile, and then I took my pile of mail, because I always read my mail at office to see

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Sandra Ingerman: do when I got home, and I stood right next to him, I mean, I gave him no space like 2 inches, like we were almost touching, and I just started talking to him about really simple things. I was doing it on purpose. How are you doing today? Well, you know, I got all this mail.

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Sandra Ingerman: and at the end he said to me, he goes, you actually have no idea what you did for me today. You have no idea

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Sandra Ingerman: what you did for me today. Thank you. And he was just really struggling, and I saw it, and it wasn't a big deal just to kind of act and just start talking to a stranger, and it took him out of the place of suffering that he was in. And that's that those are just little things that every one of us can do right now.

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Renee Baribeau: Yes, I when you said you go to the mailbox every day. That's been me for the last few months, going to mail the wind Walker wisdom oracle out. Because if I get an order I feel like I gotta get it out today.

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Sandra Ingerman: But.

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Renee Baribeau: One of the tricks that I used for for getting myself out of those funks, because really I used to go dark, dark and deep, deep, and dark, and one time I went to the movie theater, and it was the very 1st time I ever went to a movie alone, and I was so scared, you know, because what this is me? I was so self-centered. What are other people going to think about me not having any friends to go into the movie theater.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, I think a lot of people live with that.

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Renee Baribeau: And it was sister act.

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Renee Baribeau: And when I I bought the ticket and I went in and it turned out I knew people in the movie theater, but I laughed so hard

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Renee Baribeau: I don't even remember what I was laughing about now, because there's so many years ago.

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Renee Baribeau: And then, when I was walking out the door, i 1 of those resounding booms that sometimes I get it said like, All right, so you could take the laughter and go on with your day, or if you want to pick up your misery at the ticket counter and then go forward your choice.

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Renee Baribeau: And I thought, like, Yeah, no, I think we'll laugh for the rest of today.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're we're always being presented with a choice.

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Sandra Ingerman: And that's 1 of the reasons. That's 1 of the reasons I'm so focused on my heart because I come from a family that catastrophized.

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Sandra Ingerman: and and I catastrophe myself. And so, you know, if I give my mind a few minutes to go somewhere. Trust me. It's like it's not the movie that anybody wants to see.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so if you, if you just say what's my heart going right now, just stop

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Sandra Ingerman: mental looping the crazy mental racing thoughts which you know from a trauma point of view. I know we have a therapist. We have a lot of therapists. From a trauma point of view. The racing thoughts is just protecting you because your brain and body don't feel safe.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so the racing thoughts are just a protection, that's all they are. And so let's take off the protection and let's find out what our heart's feeling. And then, when we're not protecting our heart and our body from what they're trying to say, that immediately throws us out of a place of overwhelm, because they actually don't have that much to say, so.

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Renee Baribeau: Got it.

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Sandra Ingerman: It's it's really simple things like, do you think he could take a walk for 5 min today? Do you think? Drink a little bit. So there's nothing overwhelming. If you talk to your your heart, your body, if you do your mind. Yeah, there's a lot that's going to overwhelm you.

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Renee Baribeau: Simple. Keep it simple. Stupid, is the phrase that they use in Aa. I have got a good ending story, because sometimes we wonder if you guys are really paying attention out there and listening, you know we do rely upon donations to pay for this, and so feel free to donate. But the other day, and and I didn't tell you this the other day I get an email. I was advertising my friend's house up on Whitby, and I get an email from somebody who says, I follow you. I know your work.

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Renee Baribeau: And it turns out

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Renee Baribeau: she has been listening to our our podcast, for a long, long time, and she is renovating her house. She just moved to Whitby Island and has to move for a couple of months.

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Renee Baribeau: and and so right after our podcast. She.

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Renee Baribeau: you know, she said. Oh, my God, I can't find a place. Blah blah blah and her spirit guy said, it's not that hard.

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Renee Baribeau: And so she writes me. This letter tells me she knows, and I'm there like well, you know my friend's house. She really wants somebody for 4 or 5 months, I said, but I'm not there right now. Maybe you could, you know, rent my house

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Renee Baribeau: and it like she's there like. Then she tells me. Well, you know I listen to you and Sandra blah blah, and I got that message. It's not that hard, and then you just made it so easy. So you never know. You never know who's gonna hear your message. And

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Renee Baribeau: you know the the impact of the reach that you make so smile at the the checkout host. If you see somebody who needs a lift carry their bags, it's the simple things that we can do right now to help each other out because it's really chaotic winds out there. And we all need to. As I'm gonna say, we all need to walk each other.

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Sandra Ingerman: That's right, we definitely do. And we can get through these coming times of overwhelm together. But

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Sandra Ingerman: Those of us who are going to keep moving forward and following our hearts and souls and bodies that's going to lead you to the best place of truth that you can find in this world of illusion.

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Sandra Ingerman: because we are living in a world of illusion. But at least, if you listen to your your body, your heart, and your soul, it will lead you on a good path through

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Sandra Ingerman: the planet of illusion that we're living on right now. So we give thanks to everybody who likes us, subscribes to us, donates to us, tries to support us in some way. We put an amazing amount of resources into doing this show, and we really appreciate when people give back to us. So thank you, everyone wishing you a beautiful day or evening wherever you are.