Horizontal and Vertical Growing: Shamans Cave

In nature we have trees that who feed so many beings – humans, birds, insects, all that lives on the earth and air. And from a shamanic point of view these trees feel honored when we eat and feel nurtured from their fruits. But of course, then comes a cycle of regeneration of the silent process of going within to regenerate and become nourished again to have the strength to
bloom in the spring and summer.

This the most basic explanation of the cycle of life of the times when we grow horizontally and have the energy to give to others then shift into a time when we need to go within to our inner world to put our roots deep into the earth to draw up nurturance and raise our branches to the sky to draw down regenerative energy from the divine worlds.

Join Sandra Ingerman and Renee Baribeau as they speak about this important topic and inspire you to look at how to balance your cycles so you are living in a way where you feel fully nurtured before you offer help to others and the planet.

Transcript

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Sandra Ingerman: Hi, everyone! I'm Sandra Ingerman, and welcome to the Shaman's Cave, and I have to say I am so excited right at this moment, because, as I am talking to Rene, it is snowing outside here in a terrible drought and in terrible fire drain

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Sandra Ingerman: dangerous. So we're celebrating moisture today.

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Renee Baribeau: I love that. We've had a little bit of rain in the desert, too, and Amrene Bearbo, the practical shaman.

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Renee Baribeau: and we're really excited to be here, and it's cold in the desert. I have a jacket on, and it's it's March. It feels more like January in the desert, and you know, like there's still snow up on the mountain if I wanna if I could. If I could find time to go skiing one more time.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, I hope you do. I really hope you do. It's really great to be out right now.

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Sandra Ingerman: So we have a very interesting topic that kind of goes. I think it goes along with a little bit of something that I talked about

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Sandra Ingerman: last week about people or our last show about people getting a lot of healing from being in in nature

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Sandra Ingerman: and in today's topic. It's very dear to my heart. So I might be stuttering a bit as I talk about it, because I'm just really passionate about it, and I don't have all the words yet that go along with it. But it's what I'm

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Sandra Ingerman: it's what I'm looking at in my life, what others are looking at in their life, and something that will be suggesting to you to look in your life.

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Sandra Ingerman: I there's a couple of. And basically, the topic is on horizontal growing versus vertical growing.

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Sandra Ingerman: And I had posted something on Facebook a while back. I think it was on my friend's page. I can't remember where I talked about that I was getting out my old mystical books that I used to write medicine for the Earth with, because I couldn't use a lot of the material in there. It was too far out for a modern population.

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Sandra Ingerman: and publishers kept telling me that over and over and over again.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so I said, I don't think I'm going to be on Facebook very much anymore, but I'll be here from time to time, especially when something important is coming up.

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Sandra Ingerman: And somebody commented that you're moving from horizontal living to vertical living.

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Sandra Ingerman: And that's exactly what's happening. And all of a sudden, on Facebook, I'm still on Facebook because I have a couple of pages I can't leave at the moment.

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Sandra Ingerman: And I'm seeing this term horizontal, living versus vertical living and horizontal, growing versus vertical

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Sandra Ingerman: growing. I'm seeing this in so many different places.

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Sandra Ingerman: And I started the other day I started I went into a really deep meditation.

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Sandra Ingerman: and I started thinking about there's a old Pomo Elder, and I have to look up her name. I have the book, but it's the teaching that's important. It's not who she is. It's the teaching.

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Sandra Ingerman: and what she would teach is that when you don't eat the fruit from trees, they get very sad. That that's their destiny in life is to feed the nature beings. The other nature beings on the planet. We all have a destiny.

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Sandra Ingerman: We talk about this all the time. But do we ever talk about the destiny of nature

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Sandra Ingerman: that nature has a destiny too, like. You know, Renee, you want to get your oracle cards out. That's your destiny. I want to do more earth centered work. That's my destiny. Trees want to feed people that's their destiny. Birds like to sing. That's their destiny. Every being has a destiny here. It's not just humans.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so I started to think about. Wow! Eating the fruits of trees is a way of honoring the trees. And then I started thinking about 44 years of putting out fruits. I've loved it. I feel so honored that

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Sandra Ingerman: I've been able to inspire people. But when I go back and think about that Facebook post that I'm getting out all my old material to review what I'm actually saying publicly is, I need to go really deep

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Sandra Ingerman: into my inner world and start being fed from the earth by my through my roots.

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Sandra Ingerman: and being fed from the divine, and sharing those energies with my body and with the planet in the collective. And so I'm wondering especially we wonder what Rene has to say about this. But I wonder what seeds are being planted in you? Of how much do you feed others.

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Sandra Ingerman: And how much are you feeding yourself.

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Renee Baribeau: So much, so much to unpack and think about, and what you were just talking about.

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Renee Baribeau: And I think for

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Renee Baribeau: I think for someone it's a cycle. So whereas, you know, you're wanting to to go in

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Renee Baribeau: like I'm naturally going out right now like one for me, like one thing is ending. But the other thing is here to meet me

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Renee Baribeau: as it ends, which you know that doesn't seem like there's going to be even a big big space. But I I did a lot of vertical growing last year. The the catch of

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Renee Baribeau: they. They talk in their their cosmology about that there's a horizontal axis and a vertical axis. And it's part of, you know, probably part of nature, because all of their other things are that that certain Paco. Certain people were only

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Renee Baribeau: took care of the the horizontal things.

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Renee Baribeau: the crops and this and that, and you know the tending to the alpacas. And and, you know, going to the market and stuff, and then the the people, the the auto Messiahs, the other people would would tend to the the vertical access. And so it doesn't really surprise me at all that the vertical access is when you start, you know, communicating with the stars, and you know the

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Renee Baribeau: the rivers, and you know that go, and slipping through that portal to the other realms of your own communication. But I really believe in my my own work, that

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Renee Baribeau: that so within is so without, that this is not some that's not an external activity, that going vertical is an internal activity that connects us to everything that is.

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Sandra Ingerman: Exactly. And I just feel that

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Sandra Ingerman: as we're changing cycles. Because, as Rene, that's a perfect point that you brought up is that everybody's in different cycles.

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Sandra Ingerman: and in our changing cycles. Number one, it's really important to know that there are people who are doing the inner work, and that there are people doing the outer work, and that brings a tremendous amount of balance to the planet, and to really understand that the inner work does create change in the collective

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Sandra Ingerman: because it works on an energetic level. And we know that everything on this planet is merely energy.

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Renee Baribeau: Hmm.

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Sandra Ingerman: Working on an energetic level. You're working with what this planet really is is simply energy. And I think a lot of people start to feel guilty when they start to do that deep inner work.

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Sandra Ingerman: because we live in a culture where it's well, what are you doing? Are you retiring? You know, we don't know where to put that I'm doing big work, but it's the inner work. And of course, in all the literature that I'm reviewing, and it is the medicine, for the earthwork is that

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Sandra Ingerman: in and out are the same. You know it's all working with the inner and the outer. It's all the same. And so it's just reversing directions of whether you're. It's a time of being active in the world, or whether it's your time of being inner for

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Sandra Ingerman: world.

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Renee Baribeau: It's funny as you're talking. 1st I visualized a tree, really collapsing itself to get through a harsh winter, and I don't know why winter was coming up. But then I maybe because you were talking about snow. And then I saw a hibernating bear.

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Sandra Ingerman: Hmm.

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Renee Baribeau: You know, like, and the thought that came in is, is the bear any less alive when he's hibernating, you know? Is it like, is the tree any less alive when it's, you know, holding into to get those new buds for the other other thing, and and that that transformation, or, you know the metamorphosis that happens when we we recognize that

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Renee Baribeau: that we recognize that that this is just as valuable as you know, doing the other.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah. And I think it's it's it's not even that. It's just as valuable. Both are needed.

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Renee Baribeau: Yes.

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Sandra Ingerman: You know, to make a complete cycle. And so, you know, we're really looking at. I think what people are really looking at today, because I keep reading about. I keep reading number one, that what all people want to do is turn to nature to heal. I keep reading that over and over and over again.

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Sandra Ingerman: and that people are getting an amazing amount of healing from nature, but they have to learn how to be quiet in a way that they've never been before.

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Sandra Ingerman: And then there are people who are getting ready to bloom, and we can use the Southern and the northern hemisphere as an example of that kind of balance of. We're always in the opposite season. One of us is always dying and hibernating while the other one is blooming, and it's at a different time.

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Sandra Ingerman: So when we're going into fall, the southern hemisphere is going into spring, so nature is always bringing that balance by by having us work on different levels during different seasons.

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Renee Baribeau: Hmm, yeah. And what I I uncovered when I was working on the the new oracle, was I uncovered?

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Renee Baribeau: So I always knew of the doldrums that were at the equator, where there's no wind. But what I also discovered was that they're right at the right, at the same places on the equator. There's a creator wind.

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Renee Baribeau: and then there's the the wind that's in over the underworld

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Renee Baribeau: like like that's what you're talking about is that that duality like the underworld, and you know the upper world. And you know this mid horizontal line that goes between where there could be a period of no wind to to be in either of those spaces. But I don't know that that's totally related, but it just made me think about how in nature

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Renee Baribeau: this is acceptable. And it's more like that we struggle with, you know. Am I? Am. I? Take, for example, we were talking earlier about emails.

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Renee Baribeau: Like, if if, is it okay? If I get a bunch of emails and I don't answer them.

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Sandra Ingerman: Great.

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Renee Baribeau: Absolutely, you know, when all of a sudden, were we put on guard that because somebody

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Renee Baribeau: somebody sent me an a notice a few weeks ago that said I prefer to to talk personally.

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Sandra Ingerman: And I'm like, well.

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Renee Baribeau: Who are you like.

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Renee Baribeau: you know? Who are you? That you should, you know, just enter into my space and tell me that you you wanted me to set up a 20 min call with you

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Renee Baribeau: with no, no, I mean, I'm sure you've seen it all your life, you know, like people just expect I need this healing.

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Sandra Ingerman: Great.

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Renee Baribeau: And with no, no regard for whatever is going on in your your vertical access.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right? Yeah, yeah. I remember, I remember the night like it was yesterday, and it was years and years ago when somebody called me at midnight on New Year's Eve, and asked me if I was willing to do a healing for somebody.

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Sandra Ingerman: I was so shocked it was like.

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Sandra Ingerman: Oh, I have no life. I have no right to take midnight off on New Year's Eve. It was really interesting to me, and so I think we all are at a place one of the things that I'm seeing. And this is part of this topic of horizontal and vertical growing is setting boundaries.

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Sandra Ingerman: Because there's pruning that's always needed, no matter which.

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Sandra Ingerman: Whether you're going up or sideways or horizontally, we have to prune, and part of it is is pruning out what's hurting the the being what's.

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Sandra Ingerman: What's taking too much, taking too much fruit?

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Sandra Ingerman: Not giving anything back to to nurture.

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Renee Baribeau: Sucker on the grapefruit tree.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right? Yeah, yeah. And it's really important. As people keep saying, I'm really turning to nature to heal. It's more than just observing the beauty of nature. It's also looking at the cycles, and how nature stays in balance.

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Sandra Ingerman: I think, as I said, this is a new topic that I'm thinking about for myself, and where I am in my cycle. Rene and I are in 2 different places in our cycle. But so it's kind of new for me. But when we really think about it, it's where are you if you feel like you're connecting with nature. Are you also connecting with its cycles

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Sandra Ingerman: and understanding the horizontal versus the vertical, and how to feed from nature, and then how to give back to nature, and how to give to other people, and how to receive from other people. And I love Rene, the doldrums. I just love it. I can't.

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Sandra Ingerman: I love it. It's really amazing. And so there's so much that we can really look at right now just about bringing balance back into our lives again.

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Renee Baribeau: Yes, I I think it's really an important time, and and that means go through all the areas of my life like this morning. I was. You know. I get up like very early in the morning, and I have a little routine while I'm waking up. And I'm thinking, like, do I really need to read all of these news reports

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Renee Baribeau: like, Am I less?

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Renee Baribeau: Am I less okay? If I don't know

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Renee Baribeau: 10 things that happened out in the world yesterday, and I think I am

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Renee Baribeau: I I really think that I am that if I if I just

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Renee Baribeau: cut that back and spend more time walking over along the mountain. I'm going to be happier, more balanced, more center, and I'll have more to share.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right?

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah. And I think that for some some people who are very sensitive and very empathetic, who

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Sandra Ingerman: I'm not saying this in a derogatory way. I'm saying it in a very kind and compassionate way, who haven't done a lot of work on understanding that we all have a destiny that we came in here, whether it makes no sense or not

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Sandra Ingerman: to have a life of abundance, or be poor, or be ill, or be healthy, and so we get. If we, if we haven't done enough inner work.

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Sandra Ingerman: we start thinking that we have to save the entire world. And that's where a lot of people are at right now with the news is, how many people can I save, and how many different countries can I save? And you're one person?

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Sandra Ingerman: And so I think that reading the news is actually getting a lot of people into trouble because we're putting our attention out to a place where, like somebody wrote me an interesting email and said that through her illness

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Sandra Ingerman: that the suffering that she's experiencing is the most potent time of her whole entire life.

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Sandra Ingerman: And we have this negative thing about suffering.

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Sandra Ingerman: Who wants to suffer? We don't want to suffer. We want to have fun we want. But that's how in nature, that's how a lot of the growth happens, and a lot of the lessons happen. So when we watch the news, sometimes our hearts get so

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Sandra Ingerman: blown open, it's like we want to be everywhere in the world at the same time. And then we're too distracted. We're not putting our energy focused in a particular direction.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so when we do our inner work, we can see the energy that builds up inside of ourselves that isn't distracted energy, and that it has more force, to create change.

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Renee Baribeau: There will be no more horizontal scattering.

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Renee Baribeau: And really, i mean really, when you think about

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Renee Baribeau: what is required for a seed to grow like how much you know

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Renee Baribeau: specialized focus energy to know when to sprout at the when the time is right.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah.

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Renee Baribeau: You know, if you're scattered everywhere, you're gonna miss the daffodil.

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Renee Baribeau: I'm on to daffodils right now. I have this small group. It's the book, Walkers Club, and we're going through a Pilgrim's Guide to walking with them one week at a time, and and we've been sharing pictures of our wind walks.

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Sandra Ingerman: Hmm.

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Renee Baribeau: On this private group. And it's there's not a lot of us, but it's it's really inspiring to learn that, you know. At the same time in a lot of places in the world. Daffodils by many different names come up for a short week.

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Renee Baribeau: and I've been talking about daffodils lately, and it's fascinating to me that this plan has such a focus that it's got a couple of week shelf life. And yet

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Renee Baribeau: it must be important enough that it does it every single year.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, I know, and I always can't wait to see the daffodils coming up again, being in the desert every time a flower blooms. It's just such a treat, but it's really good to know that their life is short term, because I'm not educated in that, and I always think I'm doing something wrong with the daffodils.

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Renee Baribeau: The life cycle of a daffodil. Yeah, I learned a new word from their their narcissisms narcissisms in Germany

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Renee Baribeau: today. So I wonder if it has to do with the narcissistic kind of looking in the pool. But I'm not sure. So I'm gonna make that up. Well, I think we kind of. We'd like to hear back your feedback on on this subject like, are you? Are you spreading out horizontally at this time, or are you really tending to your vertical access. And and what does that look like? And what does that mean for you? I mean, I think that would make a really potent conversation in the shaman's cape.

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Sandra Ingerman: Absolutely. And I just want to end with a story, because I think it's important to just bring this point in to end with, too.

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Sandra Ingerman: It was probably 2030 years ago. Woods and I were watching a nature show on TV,

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Sandra Ingerman: and it was about different creatures. Everything on Earth depends on water to survive.

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Sandra Ingerman: But it was about how these little tiny, different creatures would bury under the earth

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Sandra Ingerman: sometimes for a hundred years, waiting for water.

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Sandra Ingerman: Rain, they would come out and be fine.

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Sandra Ingerman: It was the most amazing story I've ever ever seen that a being could actually hibernate that long and wait for the right conditions, and the second, the right conditions are there.

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Sandra Ingerman: It bursts out out of the earth and has a life.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so as we've been talking. And as Rene talked about the horizontal versus the vertical, we also have to look at right timing.

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Sandra Ingerman: And that think when you're when you're losing patience, that you're not getting things fast enough.

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Sandra Ingerman: Think about all the creatures that who were waiting (203) 040-5060 years for the right conditions for them to grow again.

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Sandra Ingerman: So have patience, and and this is a beautiful topic to reflect on and to share your reflections. As Rene said, on the shaman's cave. So blessings everyone.

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Renee Baribeau: Thank you.