Trust: Shamans Cave

In chaotic and challenging times trust is our most powerful tool and the one we often have the hardest time embracing. When things are not going well we want to blame, we want to withdraw, we feel victim to the forces of life. But this is part of starting any initiation. There needs to be a breakdown of trust and all we can count on as we enter a time of death and rebirth. But once you get further on the journey you remember the innate strength and resilience that has gotten you through all the challenges in your life.

Join Renee Baribeau and Sandra Ingerman  in this powerful show as they inspire you to dig deep and remember the truth that you are strong and resilient and to trust that your own strength will carry you through such a powerful time of change.

Transcript

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Renee Baribeau: Hello! It's Rene, the practical shaman. Welcome to the shaman's cave!

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Sandra Ingerman: Hi, everyone! I'm Sandra Ingerman, and welcome to the shaman's cave.

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Renee Baribeau: And we have a doozy of a topic for you today. I was saying, I like how I was so upbeat when I was like doing this. But and and I'll try to explain it. And then, you know, Sandra, if I don't get it quite right, you can jump in there, but we're at a time where the people either seem to be in deep trust or in deep panic.

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Renee Baribeau: and there doesn't seem to be a lot of middle room, because I don't know if you can be in trust and panic at the same time. It's like love and not love at the same time it doesn't really work. And when you mentioned this topic it hit home for me. Because

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Renee Baribeau: recently I work in behavioral health and recently, in the last few weeks in behavioral health. Literally, 5 people have left the planet

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Renee Baribeau: between overdosing suicide and and a health issue, and it just brings it brings home the point of

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Renee Baribeau: how is my recovery? How is my health? How is my emotional and mental and spiritual conditioning? And I think that

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Renee Baribeau: that that if you want to live in panic. That's fine.

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Renee Baribeau: but I would rather be in the trust of it all, and for me, that's a much safer place for me to live.

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Renee Baribeau: because therefore, the grace of God go, I.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I think we've talked about this before on the show. And I've been writing a lot about this is that a lot of people are making really tricky decisions about their life right now at a chaos they're responding out of chaos.

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Sandra Ingerman: And

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Sandra Ingerman: I started doing a lot of work on myself different than the work you know I share in my books and teach about of, you know, I developed this brain disorder that I talk about a lot, and it's been 10 years, and so

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Sandra Ingerman: I can watch a cycle of suffering that goes on, and the different stages that people go through which not everybody goes through the same stages. But

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Sandra Ingerman: you know they are.

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Sandra Ingerman: They are typical for a lot of people where the 1st thing you lose faith in God, and you lose faith in the spirits when it looks like your world is coming down, and you start looking at ending your life because you can't see the gratitude. You can't see the sun. You can't see what you have gratitude for.

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Sandra Ingerman: but that's all the beginning of an initiation. That's the beginning. It's not the end of the initiation. It's just the doorway that we have to walk through.

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Sandra Ingerman: We have to dismember, discrete, discreate, uncreate dissolve, destroy. I keep on saying that over and over again.

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Sandra Ingerman: and so we in an initiation, our minds and our egos are immediately confronted.

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Sandra Ingerman: and when our minds and egos are confronted, you know we can act like a child and say, No, no, no.

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Sandra Ingerman: we can act as an evolved adult and say, I'm grateful for the lessons that I'm getting ready to receive

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Sandra Ingerman: and open to the help of the universe.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so I think that where we have to come to with the state of trust. This has been my journey, anyway, if it makes sense to anybody.

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Sandra Ingerman: is that I had to stop thinking about because everybody was trying to get me to look at. What was the abuse that caused my brain disorder.

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Sandra Ingerman: instead of looking at the abuse, or what happened to me. Where I've come to is, I've had to remember that I'm 72 years old. I've gone through abuse my entire life.

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Sandra Ingerman: and I've come out. I love where I am. I've done a lot. I've had amazing groups. I've created amazing communities. I've had the opportunity

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Sandra Ingerman: to write books. And I've had the opportunity to be on a podcast with Rene. And I've had all these opportunities, because

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Sandra Ingerman: through the traumas of my life I became so strong and resilient

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Sandra Ingerman: that I know how to brainstorm through whatever challenge is coming up. I absolutely know how to brainstorm through that that I have the strength inside of me, because all the traumas sculpted me

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Sandra Ingerman: into a strong, resilient person, and that's who I have to remember right now, and once you get into that place where you remember your strength and your resilience, then at least, you can now trust yourself, which is really important.

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Renee Baribeau: Well, I think when we can, that's what I call good spiritual conditioning today.

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Renee Baribeau: you know, it's nice when we can see those those days, because I'm sure that there's times when there's plenty of the other days where it's like

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Renee Baribeau: this is for the birds. I'm not gonna do this blah blah, and you know what I laugh with myself is how so, how easily I can go there.

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Sandra Ingerman: Like in. It's just like the stupidest things like the Fedex delivery that hasn't shown up.

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Renee Baribeau: And then, all of a sudden, I'm having a windstorm, you know, a tantrum. And it's just like, really, how big is this in the scheme of you know, 10 billion years. Does this really make a difference? Will will I hear that tree if it falls in the woods? You know, type of thing. But the thing is is that I really have to take

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Renee Baribeau: further responsibility for myself and ask myself.

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Renee Baribeau: Where do I want to live?

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Renee Baribeau: You know. Do I want to live in the fear, or do I want to live in the trust?

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Renee Baribeau: I mean this week? A friend said. Oh, I'm checking out moving to Mexico.

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Renee Baribeau: and I'm thinking to myself like, Well, that would be for me. That would be really stressful.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right.

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Renee Baribeau: You know, another friend got an Irish passport. And I'm thinking, like, Yeah, do I really want to live in? No, don't really want to do that. And so I I think about like.

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Renee Baribeau: like in the parameters of my current situation.

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Renee Baribeau: How do I show up present today?

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Renee Baribeau: Isn't that the best that I can get.

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Sandra Ingerman: Absolutely absolutely. I had this experience that I wrote about in.

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Sandra Ingerman: Let's see, I'm losing track of months. I think it's my April Transmutation news.

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Sandra Ingerman: and it was really a wild story, and it's true, and I still have the book out. So I was cleaning out a bookshelf in my office because everything was stacked on top of each other, and every time I wanted to try and find something it all just fell out on the floor, and it was driving me crazy. Ocd. And everything has a place, and everything has to be in its perfect place.

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Sandra Ingerman: and my office bookcase was an absolute mess.

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Sandra Ingerman: So I got out things that I wanted to give away, and things that I didn't need anymore. You can only imagine that the books in my office are my most precious books. So you know, I really had to think about what I was ready to let go of, and so

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Sandra Ingerman: I came into my office after it was completely clean. The day after I mean completely cleaned, I moved the books and into a bag where I was going to give them to people I know who were going to enjoy them, and there was absolutely. It was neat.

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Sandra Ingerman: I walk into my office, and there's a bag of ruins sitting on my rug the next day open.

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Sandra Ingerman: and it wasn't there. The day before I had completely cleaned my office floor from what I took out of the bookcase.

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Sandra Ingerman: and I said, Well, so this is an omen. I haven't worked with the rooms in probably 20 years. I've never been a rooms person, but all my students kept sending me room, books, and room sets that they painted, and of course I have to keep those.

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Sandra Ingerman: and so I put my hand in that that ruin bag. And I say, well, what's the message for me?

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Sandra Ingerman: And I cannot tell you that number one? The room told me exactly where I was at. I mean exactly using my words that I say to everybody.

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Sandra Ingerman: and it told me exactly what I needed to do exactly

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Sandra Ingerman: and it told me that I needed to wait before any of this would work. It was amazing. It was like, it was like you get the greatest psychic ever.

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Sandra Ingerman: and you ask a question, and the person gave you a thousand percent accurate information.

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Sandra Ingerman: That's what happened when I went into that room bag and and it wasn't in. It wasn't on my floor.

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Sandra Ingerman: so it was a part of me or the spirits who were trying to get me into a place of trust.

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Sandra Ingerman: because when I read the ruin it told me where I was at and what I had to do, and when it was going to happen.

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Sandra Ingerman: and I can't trust that more because I knew it was right. It's exactly what I've been saying to people.

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Renee Baribeau: Hmm!

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Renee Baribeau: I love that, though the wind does that. The Wind Oracle does that to me all the time like it's like uncanny that I'll say I'll be. I'll like be teaching and sharing something with the group. And then I'm gonna pull out a card for, you know, for the group. And it's just what I just got done saying, like, I've been bringing in some new work. And then it was like, Yeah, this is

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Renee Baribeau: this is, you know emerging work is, I mean, it's like it's it's uncanny. That that's what I love about the window oracle is. It's like, always right on.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yes, sir.

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Renee Baribeau: Always right on.

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Sandra Ingerman: We've had shows in the past where we've had a topic, and you've picked a wind card to see what the wind wanted to say, and it was always the perfect wind card.

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Renee Baribeau: I mean, I tried to get rid of some of the cards. I'm gonna put in the book the 1st time, and sure enough, they came right out of the hat when I'd be like

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Renee Baribeau: like in order.

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Renee Baribeau: and then be like, what do you mean like? No, no, I can't. The editor wasn't liking what I was saying, so I needed to explain it and, boom! Boom! I'm there like you couldn't with the wind. You can't make this stuff up. And it's us humans who keep needing the reinforcement over and over and over again, instead of just trusting the feather. You just trip on in the yard.

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Sandra Ingerman: Exactly. Yeah. And so this is a place that people really need to move into right now.

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Renee Baribeau: And then.

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Sandra Ingerman: Even you, even you, talking about your friends back in the in the late 80 S. Was when I met Isis on a vision quest.

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Sandra Ingerman: and I don't know what was going on in the world. I can't remember.

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Sandra Ingerman: but everybody was asking me to journey on where they should move. It was unbelievable. I had all these clients, and that was what they were asking me.

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Sandra Ingerman: And and what Isis said was, she said, there is no safe place on the planet.

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Sandra Ingerman: find a place that you want to live and move there

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Sandra Ingerman: and face whatever challenge comes up because there is no safe place.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so again. I think that comes into where a lot of us are right now, because people are fleeing in chaos.

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Sandra Ingerman: and when we realize that the only safe place is inside of us.

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Sandra Ingerman: and that again, if we can trust on our own strength and resilience. And so what I would suggest that you do is to really maybe do some journaling, maybe do some wind walking outside, maybe sitting with an element sitting on a rock, sitting with a tree. Reflect on your life.

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Sandra Ingerman: and reflect on the challenges that you personally got through on your own.

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Renee Baribeau: I mean.

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Sandra Ingerman: Help from anybody.

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Sandra Ingerman: and reflect on the strength that you have, and reflect on the resilience that you have, that that you were actually able to walk this path to where you are now, regardless of what happened to you in your life, you found the inner strength, the inner Creator in you

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Sandra Ingerman: and the inner resilience in you to come up with a solution, so that you're still here today.

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Sandra Ingerman: And that's really important. If you just focus on that. And remembering that, where's the fear?

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Sandra Ingerman: Where's the fear?

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Renee Baribeau: Right.

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Sandra Ingerman: And you're just in trust.

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Renee Baribeau: I think that's so important, like, you know, do I have everything that I need to get through today? I think that's what a brilliant thing about the Aa program is it's just for today.

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Renee Baribeau: you know. And and I'm not saying, just be nearsighted and just be in today. But some days. I mean, the the times we're in right now, just for today is a lot.

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Renee Baribeau: You, too.

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Renee Baribeau: You know what I mean. It's just like, Oh, yeah, I got through today and look at. I ate breakfast and I had lunch, and I ate dinner, and I watched a movie. And, you know, gonna go to game night. That's a lot.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right.

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Renee Baribeau: And that's enough.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right, yeah.

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Renee Baribeau: So let's do that. And I I think that that probably we I think we've said it. And any act you know, things that you have, that are what bring you in the trust, and we don't necessarily need to hear what brings you in the fear we have all of those on ourselves. But what brings you, what brings you back into peace?

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Sandra Ingerman: Yes, that would be wonderful to hear.

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Sandra Ingerman: Be really an exciting conversation.

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Renee Baribeau: I think we've, and also just a reminder. Our books can bring you into peace. You know my new book, A Pilgrim's Guide to walking wisdom. 1111. Insight leaves you with some really thought provoking questions on like, How do I stay more centered? How do I take that walk? How do I walk with the winds, and you know, how do I walk through these hard times with some really simple insights? And what's your favorite of your book for this type of question.

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Sandra Ingerman: I would say, walking in light.

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Sandra Ingerman: Walking in light is kind of a except for soul. Retrieval is a summary of all the work I've been teaching except for soul retrieval, and it gives steps for how you connect with nature, how you heal with nature, how you work with omens, how you work with spirits, how you work with light.

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Sandra Ingerman: How you work with medicine for the earth. It's all about how to transform yourself into a being where you're walking in light.

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Renee Baribeau: Hmm!

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Renee Baribeau: And your book of ceremony has good tools and tips, too.

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Sandra Ingerman: Well, the book ceremony has a ceremony for absolutely everything.

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Renee Baribeau: I know I love that book. It's an easy ceremonies to not like, you know, complicated all night long, you know, with the drum and the fire, but just little things to get through the day, so I would suggest that as well.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah.

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Renee Baribeau: And then you could come over and do my book walkers club bookwalkers club.com with me, and you know, and and of course the oracle is unbelievable. Good guidance as well. The Windwalkers wisdom oracle. So that's our little push for ourselves, and I'll come join us over at the Shaman's cave, and we'll talk to you soon.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah. Have a good one. Everyone we love you.