Hovering in the Corner: Shamans Cave

In this week’s podcast Renee and Sandra talk about how on a spiritual level we can keep doing our work to expand and evolve. But if we are in a state of fear and contracting then we are suppressing all the spiritual energy we learned how to raise and this puts an amazing amount of stress on our bodies and nervous system when we are trying to expand and contract at the same time. Is this something you can relate to in your own life?

Join this powerful show as Sandra Ingerman and Renee Baribeau talk about how we can stand strong and let our energy flow like the wind and the river of life and feel empowered in this time of change as we choose to leave a state of fear and contraction.  Follow Us @theshamanscave

Transcript

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Renee Baribeau: Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Shaman's Cave. I'm Rene Barrow, the practical Shaman.

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Sandra Ingerman: Hi, everyone! I'm Sandra Ingerman, and welcome to the shaman's cave.

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Renee Baribeau: Do you wanna tell us what the topic is today?

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, Rene and I have actually been talking for probably an hour about this topic. And so so we're gonna put it together hopefully in a way that we can do a show on it.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so I'll start with something that I've come to a revelation about because we've been talking about nervous system issues a lot on this show

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Sandra Ingerman: because they're so prevalent. Right now, when you look at how many nervous system programs there are that you can sign up for how many online courses you can take for somatic therapy, for calming down your trauma, which is all part of nervous system work. I mean, it's like it's like, is anybody teaching anything else out there? I start to wonder.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so our topic today is about stop cowering in the corner.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so what happened for me was, I had an experience which I wrote up fully in my May Transmutation news, which will be out the end of April.

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Sandra Ingerman: But just to give a short explanation of how this goes into the show that we're doing

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Sandra Ingerman: is, I had the experience with a group to merge with a spirit and merge with Isis, who is one of the major spirits I work with. She's not the only one, but she works with me on world issues.

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Sandra Ingerman: and I had the opportunity to do a very, very special ceremony where I was looking out of her eyes, and I could see what she was seeing of where human beings are right now.

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Sandra Ingerman: And what Isis was seeing is that

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Sandra Ingerman: we've been doing so much work to find our light. You know transfiguration is the practice I teach in every single workshop which is understanding, that your only light, your only light, your body is your clothing. It's clothing that covers your light.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so everything is about, how do we expand our light? How do we expand our shamanic practices so that we can be of highest service in the world.

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Sandra Ingerman: But what Isis was seeing is, as we say, this is the work that we're doing. We keep raising our frequency, trying to become more evolved. Beings step out of the norm. That's what everybody wants to do right now is step out of the norm.

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Sandra Ingerman: and what she was seeing is that

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Sandra Ingerman: we are doing an amazing job of expanding our energies.

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Sandra Ingerman: really expanding our energies well, but we have so much fear in our bodies at the same time that's clogging our nervous systems. So our bodies are actually in a fight situation to call it in one way of expand. No, don't expand. It's too dangerous to expand, shut down.

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Sandra Ingerman: but we're already expanded. And so how do you shut down? And that's what we're doing. And so

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Sandra Ingerman: is that making us shake and tremor.

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Renee Baribeau: Absolutely

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Renee Baribeau: for the for the last year or 2, or or ever since, all of the dissension out in the world

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Renee Baribeau: I hate to create dissension. I'm a Libra. I like. I like it to be balanced right? So there's nothing more harsh on my soul than this dissonance that's going on.

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Renee Baribeau: The the one people believing that theirs is the only truth, and the other people believing that theirs is the only truth, and feeling no no shame or no, no way to like

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Renee Baribeau: filter this. There's no filtering of how people feel about each other who have different points of view.

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Renee Baribeau: And so for me, what it did for me was I was. I was cowering in the corner. I didn't want to comment on people's posts for fear that they were going to

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Renee Baribeau: a lash out and attack me, and last week I went to the march.

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Renee Baribeau: and I went to the march because I wanted to be in the power of the group.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right.

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Renee Baribeau: I wanted to be in an empowered group that felt like they were grabbing their power back. And and I didn't. Even we didn't mention that when we were talking, but all of a sudden I like I got goose pumps on my arms.

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Renee Baribeau: and all the signs were different, and I don't know what people's, you know. Leanings were, or anything, but they were out there, and they were vibing off the energy of people when they get together

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Renee Baribeau: for a common cause.

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Renee Baribeau: and after that I didn't feel like it was necessary to hide in the corner anymore.

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Renee Baribeau: because I know some of the people who have very different viewpoints than other people.

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Renee Baribeau: I know that they've done a lot of deep work on themselves.

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Renee Baribeau: and I know that they're they're good people with a good heart.

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Renee Baribeau: But this ability to, you know, bully people back into the corner with our words, and our action

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Renee Baribeau: is not helping us at all.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, no. And I think that's the power of the demonstrations. I haven't been to one, and I won't. I'm just not in the place of health to be at one, but, as everybody knows, because I talk about it endlessly, I was always out there in the late.

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Renee Baribeau: 60.

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Sandra Ingerman: I was out there every day on Wall Street with tens of thousands of marchers, and we were all together.

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Sandra Ingerman: and there is an incredible strength of coming together in community. And what I'm hearing about right now is, everybody who is going to these marches are saying the exact same words you're saying to me, Rene.

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Sandra Ingerman: the exact same words I needed to stand strong in a community with other people. And now that I've done that, I feel that community feeling inside of myself, I feel that I'm not standing alone. I feel like I can stand up now

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Sandra Ingerman: and use my voice in a different way, because I have been too scared to use it. And so there is that incredible power of community that reminds us of our strength.

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Sandra Ingerman: So that we don't have to fall into a place of fear.

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Renee Baribeau: And and so, if you're in that place of fear.

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Renee Baribeau: my recommendation is is to to find that community in person.

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Renee Baribeau: I'm a big proponent of in person gatherings, because

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Renee Baribeau: I I think that once we turn off our zoom cameras and our and our our workshops that we can't see the isolation that people are experiencing in their own inner little worlds in their inner sanctums. But not that I'm saying that that doesn't help people come back out, but that there there was something that I could feel that was palatable in the air.

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Renee Baribeau: and I think that it's really important for us to find those feelings again, and I think we kind of veered off the topic a little bit. But but Sandra had a meeting with people in person, and she was able to receive new information or different information, or process it differently by actually being in the room with them, and probably sent home all of these warriors with a little bit more

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Renee Baribeau: bravado.

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Sandra Ingerman: Absolutely. We all left with a lot of bravado. And when I was using regalia, which is used in Central Asia, South Asia, it's a very key practice in Shamanism, and I found that myself. This is just me working with regalia does not compare with any medicine on the planet for me.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so when I work with regalia, and what that does is, it takes you out of your humanness so that you're you're just in spirit form, and you're seeing out of your helping spirits, eyes. It's unbelievable because we're seeing a foot in front of us, and our spirits are seeing a million miles in front of us

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Sandra Ingerman: to have that opportunity to actually be one with a spirit's eyes and seeing a million miles away. I can't tell you what it does to your body. It's such a wonderful experience, so freeing, and

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Sandra Ingerman: how how much we limit ourselves, how little we allow ourselves to hear, feel, see, touch, smell, I mean, we have suppressed by hovering, cowering in the corner and hovering. We have suppressed our spiritual power. We've suppressed our senses to enjoy and absorb what life is actually trying to give to us.

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Sandra Ingerman: and when we expand out of a place of fear and expand and allow our spiritual strength to really shine through.

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Sandra Ingerman: There! There is no illness, and there is no fighting, and there's a whole different perception of life, and our perception creates our reality. That's the spiritual truth that I don't think anybody can fight with.

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Renee Baribeau: That that brings up an interesting question. I I would love your input. On. This is

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Renee Baribeau: so so say that I'm a regular journeyer, you know, and there's probably a lot of people who are listening to this, who do take regular journeys.

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Renee Baribeau: Is my journey. Influenced by my fear.

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Renee Baribeau: you know I I'd really I mean you. This is really more your ex area of expertise. But like, if I'm sourcing out. But I'm going out from a place of where I'm what you called the elephant in the hut.

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Renee Baribeau: Am I being influenced by the journey that I'm about to have? Or does it transcend that.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah. So the metaphor that Rene just shared is a metaphor. I've shared my May transmutation news. So I hope people will read that one.

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Renee Baribeau: That sounds interesting.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah. But what it was basically is. My husband was telling a story about the great Indian Guru Ramanamarhashi, who had been awake since the age of 9, and he had an amazing amount of followers. He only taught oneness, and he's really well known. I'm sure many of you are familiar with His work, who are listening.

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Sandra Ingerman: And when he was 70 he started tremoring all the time, and his students were His disciples were, how can we help you, and he said, You can't help me. This is what happens when you put a gigantic elephant in a tiny hut.

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Sandra Ingerman: So what that refers to is gigantic spiritual energy in a tiny body.

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Sandra Ingerman: So when we journey, if we're in fear.

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Sandra Ingerman: we're always stopping ourselves from going farther into the spiritual realms. And this is a discussion I'm having now with people who have trained with me. To teach and be practitioners is Shamanic. Journeying has never been an out of body experience. It is an out of body experience in our culture, because people who had a lot of trauma they love.

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Sandra Ingerman: I believe they're not

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Sandra Ingerman: is love, but that's.

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Renee Baribeau: That's yeah.

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Sandra Ingerman: Was not developed to be an escape from your life.

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Sandra Ingerman: But that's how people are using it in the modern day.

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Sandra Ingerman: In true Shamanism. You take your body with you fully with you, so that you're walking in the lower world, and you feel the gravel under your feet, or you're in the upper world, and you're in a Crystal Palace or Crystal Cave, where you're getting healing, and you can feel

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Sandra Ingerman: you can feel and touch the crystals, and they're real, and you're touching them. It's not a vision. You're actually

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Sandra Ingerman: all your senses are engaged. And so, as I said before, if you're in a state of fear. You're suppressing your senses.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so that means you're going to suppress your senses once you get into the unseen realms. And so, from what I can see, and you know I've been journeying for 44 years. From what I could just see from the other, just a few weeks ago, of looking through Isis's eyes. I can say that.

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Sandra Ingerman: Sandra, you need to go back into your journeys, and you need to expand your vision, and you need to expand your senses because

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Sandra Ingerman: you're suppressing how much insight that you're getting, because you're only going so far.

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Sandra Ingerman: And what happens if we allow ourselves to? Yes, we want to keep our boundaries, we need to be able to be present in the world. And so the trick is, how far can you go without losing your mental health.

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Sandra Ingerman: It's like taking medicine. How far can you go and still be centered and grounded in this life, and continue to work and live in the Middle World, which is where we live.

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Sandra Ingerman: But are we really in our journeys? Are we really opening up fully our sight, our sense of smell, our sense of hearing, our sense of touch, our sense of taste

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Sandra Ingerman: to the absolute power of what the spirits can actually show us. And I do not believe that we're meeting that where we can, because we're just the seed of source, we are not less than our spirits.

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Sandra Ingerman: We just took a body which separates ourselves a little bit more. But what would happen if we allow ourselves to see farther.

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Sandra Ingerman: and hear farther, and smell farther, and taste farther, and and feel much deeper into all the layers of our body, into the deepest part of our soul.

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Sandra Ingerman: How would our journeys change.

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Renee Baribeau: Hmm!

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Renee Baribeau: When you were talking I was seeing that. Say, we've got these like really 2 opposing sides. They're both going into the same cave. One's going down this chamber, and the other one's going down that chamber, but they're both dead, ending.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right.

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Renee Baribeau: They're both dead ending. Because because really, if they push, if we push through that vision, we'd see that you know what really matters lies beyond.

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Renee Baribeau: Those stone walls were both facing and and and maybe that's where the meeting takes place. I think that's like there's some real interesting

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Renee Baribeau: food there for some thought and deeper journeys, for sure.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, yeah.

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Sandra Ingerman: and and what we can do to really help the world, I really feel that some people are very tired, and some people do need to do certain work before they move into expansion. Because

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Sandra Ingerman: if you're really tired, you're really burnt out. You have a lot of sickness in your body expanding can also create some problems, too.

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Sandra Ingerman: So we all have to go with what is physically possible. But how much are we willing to expand our boundaries of what's possible. And so one of the books that I'm going to go back and read again, which I referenced in medicine for the Earth is a book by Dionne Fortune, who was kind of a cult leader back in the old days.

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Sandra Ingerman: and she wrote about working with a high, level group, and I know her work. I know her history. It's strong, it's solid. She was the real thing.

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Sandra Ingerman: And she worked with a group, and they really focused on the deepest meditation they could during World War 2. And she has very compelling evidence in the book that I referenced to. I can't remember if it was the mystical Kabbalah or the magical Kabbalah. I put it in my transmutation news in May.

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Sandra Ingerman: and she talked about how they were able to do experiments and prove that some of their meditations changed the events of the war, and they were not cowering in the corner.

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Renee Baribeau: Hmm!

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Renee Baribeau: Well, my guess, too, is that they had to go beyond their limited idea of what they think is writing. You know that they have to go beyond their limited vision and version of the story. Like, you know, the storyline might be to me the storyline is, it might be.

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Renee Baribeau: have a a glitch.

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Renee Baribeau: you know, and so maybe it's going between the stories to get to. You know the real truth of where we're at. And Sandra and I have covered this a lot of times about. You know where nature is in its own cycle, and you know that we're part of this. This breaking down of of nature. And and when we're grasping to one story or another story

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Renee Baribeau: is like trying to grasp the tree branch that's falling from the tree because it's dying.

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Renee Baribeau: So I I'm just more about. I don't know where my stories are, where I'm sourcing my stories from anymore. And I'm really looking for a new story.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right? Yeah, I'm finding for myself.

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Sandra Ingerman: I am not disconnected from empathy and compassion in any way whatsoever. I've I've been when I look at my life.

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Sandra Ingerman: I always have to be in compassion and empathy because I made it through some really, really horrific things. And so I know what a lot of people are going through right now. But I am allowing myself to expand more, and I'm finding that it really gives me a sense of peace.

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Sandra Ingerman: and I also feel that I think everybody can relate to this. There are so many multiple dimensions going on right now. I mean, if you think about it. You got the spiritual community. You got young people who are making different choices about work and life.

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Sandra Ingerman: You've got war, you've got homelessness. There are so many different dimensions of reality, and years ago I used to write in my transmutation news that Isis would share.

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Sandra Ingerman: Make sure, you know which dimension of reality that you want to be in, because the doors are closing between the dimensions, and you might end up in exactly the reality that you never wanted to be in.

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Renee Baribeau: Cool.

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Sandra Ingerman: Used to all your energy on that reality. So that's where you are. You stepped into that door.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so what is the dream that you want to be dreaming as you come out of cowering from the corner. And what dimension of reality do you want to be in and expansion? Nature? Nature expands.

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Sandra Ingerman: Spans, I mean, go out and be with the ocean. Go out and be with the wind. Sit on the earth and imagine the entire earth that you're sitting on, instead of that

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Sandra Ingerman: few feet of earth that you're sitting on. Look at the power of the sun, really feel it.

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Sandra Ingerman: That's the kind of expansion we really want to get to. But we have to build ourselves up physically to be able to hold that kind of energy. But I think that a lot of suffering for a lot of us in the spiritual community is coming from cowering in the corner. It's actually hurting our bodies. I think it's hurting

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Sandra Ingerman: our our mental state of consciousness.

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Renee Baribeau: I love this. I think we've kind of. We can add to this, and you hopefully. You at home will add to it over at the shaman's cave and on Youtube Channel. And wherever else you listen to your podcast

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Renee Baribeau: when you were talking, I was thinking of a nice ending was that last night I was tired. I you know I have a big conference coming up, and I'm doing a lot of teaching, and I was tired, and so I went out to take a walk.

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Renee Baribeau: and I wanted to go to the mountain, and the wind was coming at me really strong, and the message was. You don't always have to go against the wind, Rene.

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Renee Baribeau: you don't always have to resist. And so what we did was we. We took a right walk down the city block.

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Renee Baribeau: and then I went to towards the mountain again, and the wind was too strong. So we cut up another city block.

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Renee Baribeau: and that was good.

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Sandra Ingerman: Hmm.

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Renee Baribeau: Wind helps me instead of working against me. So you know, as you move out from the corner and and you stop that powering flow with the wind instead of against it.

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Sandra Ingerman: That's right. Flow with the river of life.

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Renee Baribeau: so we'll see you again really soon. And we have another great topic coming up right behind this one.

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Renee Baribeau: and we will talk to you soon.

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Sandra Ingerman: Have a good one, everyone sending lots of love and blessings, and see you soon.