Movement: The Shamans Cave

Sandra was reading one of the posts on the Shamans Cave Facebook Page about the Bushmen who dance and sing for hours and the power and healing that comes from doing this. We have talked about the power of dancing, walking, and singing on a variety of past episodes.

But as we have gotten into a habit of sitting more through driving, being on our devices too long, being on our computers, and working too long we are once again suppressing the true power that we came here to express. And in shamanic cultures people raise their energy through song and dance.

Join Renee Baribeau and Sandra Ingerman as they talk about the healing that comes from movement and song. And Sandra teaches us a healing song at the end of the show. Follow Us @theshamanscave

Transcript

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Sandra Ingerman: Hi! Everyone!

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Sandra Ingerman: Hi! Everyone! I'm Sandra Ingerman, and welcome to the shamans. Kate.

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Renee Baribeau: And I'm Rene Barabow, and laughter is great medicine.

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Sandra Ingerman: Absolutely. And that's kind of what our show is about today is not just about laughter, but laughter is a form of movement, moving energy. And so our show today is about movement.

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Sandra Ingerman: And we've talked about this before on other shows about how

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Sandra Ingerman: how life has always been a struggle in shamanic communities. It's not exactly like they had. They didn't have their own real pain and real struggles that they went through.

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Sandra Ingerman: But when you compare Shamanic communities to a modern day culture, one of the differences. Obviously, there's a million differences. But one of the differences is how much they move

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Sandra Ingerman: and how versus how much we sit, how much we sit and scroll, how much we sit and watch, how we drive people are in their cars, all day, listening to podcasts, all day, and then they get home, and they feel all burnt out, and they feel exhausted, and they feel disempowered.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so in shamanic cultures. And again, we've done shows on this. Before. People were always moving. They had to move. They had to find food, they had to forage. They had to collect water. They had to cook. They were always standing and moving.

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Sandra Ingerman: But today I was reading a wonderful post on the Shaman's Cave Facebook page.

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Sandra Ingerman: and it was about the Bushmen, and about how they really work through so many issues, and how they heal is by dancing and singing for hours and hours and hours like, that's how shamans always worked. I always say in my workshops where we dance and sing for 15 min to start a class

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Sandra Ingerman: that if we were in a shamanic culture. We'd be doing this for 3 h, not 15 min. But we're limited on time. So this is what we're doing.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so this wonderful post on the Bushmen about how they dance and sing for hours, and the energy collects in their body, and then they put their hands on somebody in need of help and transfer that energy. And that's 1 of their major healing

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Sandra Ingerman: healing methods.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so we really wanted to do a show today on the power of movement, walking, dancing, singing, and what that does for us, instead of sitting and scrolling, or or just sitting, what happens to us

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Sandra Ingerman: when we add more movement into our daily life.

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Renee Baribeau: Hmm, sitting is responsible or unbelievable percentage of our current diseases.

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Renee Baribeau: Because, as Sandra was saying, we're sitting in our car sitting in front of our computer sitting, sitting, sitting.

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Renee Baribeau: and one of the things that I've been doing with my new book, A Pilgrim's Guide to Walking Wisdom is starting walking circles.

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Renee Baribeau: and because for me I need the I need the impetus to to get going, like I know that on Saturday mornings I'm meeting with the walking circle. So you better believe me that by Friday, if I haven't taken enough walks in the week, take a walk every single Friday, so that I can walk my talk.

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Renee Baribeau: you know. I can't sit there and lead a walking circle if I'm not walking, and and so I need. Personally, I need that accountability. Because

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Renee Baribeau: I'm I'm the type of person who can sit at the computer for hours and hours and hours. And and you know, where is the time for the ceremony and the singing and the dancing, and all of those things can easily get stuck down the computer drain when we're not paying attention to how important it is to sing and dance and move.

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Sandra Ingerman: Absolutely. I am feeling better now, which is really wonderful. But I had months. I just could not get over this flu that I got.

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Sandra Ingerman: and so my husband and I got into a habit of at 3 o'clock in the afternoon of watching some really stupid thing on Netflix, eating dairy-free ice cream and drinking tea. While I was in this period for months I just had to drink tea all day long. My body was just craving tea. I have no idea what was going on.

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Sandra Ingerman: and so I needed that time. I needed that time of rest. I actually felt guilty about it, which we should talk about on another show.

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Sandra Ingerman: People feel when they stop to rest. I've been hearing it from other people. I actually felt the whole world was watching that Sandra Ringer was in bed at 3 o'clock in the afternoon. I mean, it was unbelievable what I was going through. I was so sick by feeling guilty about being in bed.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so, anyway, I'm coming out of this illness. I'm getting the energy. But there's been this habit of 3 o'clock in the afternoon lying down in bed and watching Netflix and drinking tea.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so the other day Woods and I were walk, or Netflix Walk or Netflix, and we both said to each other, We want Netflix and ice cream, but let's go out and take a walk. Let's just do it.

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Sandra Ingerman: And we did it, you know, started doing it for the next couple of days, and of course my health started returning immediately.

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Sandra Ingerman: I needed to bring that movement back into my life again.

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Sandra Ingerman: and in our last show we talked about we talked about being a big elephant in a tiny hut, and tremors is one of my issues, but I love to dance. I come from one part of my family is a family of dancers.

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Sandra Ingerman: If you're old enough to remember this, I had a cousin who was in the Rockettes and in New York. And so dancing has been. I've been dancing ever since I was a kid, and I find that when I get up to do all these

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Sandra Ingerman: exercises that are supposed to be so good for my brain and so good for my nervous system, I do them, but I find myself in the middle of just breaking out into any dance that I want to do.

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Sandra Ingerman: and that's what's healing me, not the formed exercises of do this 8 times. It's just letting myself go into ecstatic dance and allow my body to feel so free.

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Sandra Ingerman: And, oh, my God, I feel so good for the rest of the day, when I just allow myself to do that, and how many of you allow yourself to do that? And how many of you are going to send me messages, saying, Have you done this form of dancing this form? Because that's what happens. I talk about a subject, and people immediately give me the world's expert.

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Sandra Ingerman: and what I'm saying is, I just get up and let my body move the way it wants to. I don't want a world's expert on how to do this.

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Sandra Ingerman: Just get up and move, and how many of you allow yourself to do that.

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Renee Baribeau: Hmm out.

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Renee Baribeau: I've been fascinated lately. I just watched that Bob Dylan movie and.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, if.

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Renee Baribeau: Kind of got me into this remembering kind of thing. So I watched Joan Baez's

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Renee Baribeau: memoir autobiography video this week, and she's out there in her own field. And

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Renee Baribeau: she started to dance. And I thought, like, Yeah, this is just so perfect, you know, like that. I mean, the whole world was watching because there was a video camera there. But my guess was that that was something that she would do with her and the dog out for the walk. One of the things that I've noticed in my walking group is the people who get out more often are the people who have the dog.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right, yeah.

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Renee Baribeau: Excuse to get out and go walking, and last night I was so tired just from working so hard. And I'm they're like, you know you don't have to. You don't have to decide that you're gonna walk

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Renee Baribeau: 6,000 steps or 8,000 steps. You just need to go out the door.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah.

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Renee Baribeau: And see where that's gonna take you. So because sometimes we set up these parameters in our head. Oh, I've got to dance a whole hour, you know, unless you've got a good family wedding going on, you just have to turn on a song that you like to dance to and move. I need to do that.

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Renee Baribeau: I'm missing that in the singing and the dancing, and, you know, getting out the rattle and the drum, and I'm looking forward to some more of that in my life. Coming up.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, I just like to get up sometimes, and I just start shaking. And I let my shaking just take me into some kind of movement. What you said, Rene, reminded me. Back in the old days I used to teach 40 workshops a year, and I was on the road 300 days a year.

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Sandra Ingerman: and and then I went from weekend workshops to 5 day workshops, and I taught an amazing amount of 5 day workshops, and the 5 day. Workshops are 9 30 in the morning till 10 o'clock at night.

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Sandra Ingerman: and so at the lunch break. Once we had cell phones I would talk to woods, and I would say, Oh, my God, I'm so tired! Woods! And he would say, lay down with a Bob Monroe, a Hemisync CD. And just take a rest, and I would say to him, I just have a feeling if I would take a long walk outside, that that would actually be better than listening to a meditation. CD,

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Sandra Ingerman: and I found that 100% of the time that when I was exhausted and it wasn't every workshop. But obviously, when you're teaching all year long you're going to have cycles where you're just exhausted while you're teaching

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Sandra Ingerman: in those cycles. I found the more I walked. I had no exhaustion.

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Renee Baribeau: Yes, it's really up. It's really a potent

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Renee Baribeau: experience, and I think it's in the very act of putting one foot in front of the other, breathing in the wind and exhaling it. And

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Renee Baribeau: I I know when I get I'm living near a mountain right now, and I know when I get over to that path. I just 3 or 4 steps in

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Renee Baribeau: it all drops away.

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Renee Baribeau: Thing, changes.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right.

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Renee Baribeau: And when I think I didn't have enough energy to get up the hill, I have more energy than I thought, and all of a sudden. I'm at the top of the hill and walking back down the hill. And I and it's it's almost

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Renee Baribeau: it. It reminds me of when I would cook when I was in the kitchen, that I could go into the kitchen in any mood that I was in.

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Renee Baribeau: and as soon as I put my attention to chopping, you know, getting the mise en place, getting the the pan going, and actually putting the ingredients together, that all of a sudden that me, getting out of the way of what I was thinking and busy doing, spirit came comes through and realigns me because we're we're the one that moves.

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Renee Baribeau: And so, whether it's cooking, singing, dancing, walking, we need to do it.

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Sandra Ingerman: Absolutely, and and you brought up singing and singing for me is another way in a lot of ways. Well, I'm very comfortable dancing.

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Sandra Ingerman: and I absolutely loved to sing. I love to sing, and when I was a kid, one of my worst moments was when my mother could not, no matter what she did, and she was in the Pta. There was no way she could talk them into letting me into chorus.

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Sandra Ingerman: You know I was in dance classes, and I was in art classes, and I loved them. When I was a little kid. I loved everything I actually found. When I was 7 years old. I found a ad in a newspaper for an art class, and I stood up on a chair and used one of the old phones, and dialed the number, and asked them if I could come to the class

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Sandra Ingerman: they called my mother, and my mother signed me up, but that's an example of who I was as a kid.

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Sandra Ingerman: I had to be dancing. I had to be playing sports. I had to be singing. I had to be doing art. I did all of it. I wrote every every single day, and all that changed for me when I went into puberty, but before puberty, man I was. It was unbelievable. I just needed to have that movement singing art dance all the time.

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Sandra Ingerman: and and then I started teaching, but I was told I couldn't sing. And so when I would try to teach circle songs in my classes back in the really early eighties.

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Sandra Ingerman: you would think that the windows were going to crack because I didn't. I suppressed. I never sung after they didn't let me into chorus.

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Sandra Ingerman: I just stopped singing, and so ever since I started teaching and started wanting to teach circle songs. I started with it, felt like the windows were going to crack.

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Sandra Ingerman: But then, because I was teaching so much, my voice got really strong, and I learned how to carry a tune through practice.

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Sandra Ingerman: and I have to tell you, because part of my disorder that I have is that my diaphragm is frozen. That's how you unstick a diaphragm. And so every morning I am doing. I do my circle songs. I sing my power songs that I use to call in the spirits.

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Sandra Ingerman: and I sing them with gusto and as loud as I can. And, my God! There's nothing that makes you feel empowered like that. I mean, you just think about. Think about what you feel like. If those of you who use who sing in the shower.

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Sandra Ingerman: There's nothing like singing in the shower. I think I wrote about that in my second book. We don't talk about that anymore. But back in those days. Everybody used to talk about the power of singing in the shower, and how they came out feeling that nothing could stop them. Nothing could stop them during their day.

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Renee Baribeau: That's funny. I was one of the people who like

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Renee Baribeau: I don't know where I was shut down in my my voice, but I met this Hawaiian Kahuna once, and he taught us in this circle one time he says so. How many of you here are afraid to sing out loud, and I wasn't the only one who raised my hand.

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Renee Baribeau: and he said, Well, I have a trick for you, and he told us to cover our eyes.

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Sandra Ingerman: Hmm.

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Renee Baribeau: And it's always like, whenever I think about like singing, I don't have to sit there and really cover my eyes, but I always think about like I can close my eyes and nobody's gonna see me sing. And it worked out well for me. A few weeks ago again, after this movie, which kind of moved me, probably because it was the time when I was growing up

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Renee Baribeau: I went. I was going through my spotify and asking for Joan Baez songs and Bob Dilling songs, and then I was on to Johnny Cash songs, and I went all the way home from

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Renee Baribeau: Los Angeles to Palm desert, and it it did. The time just flew right on by

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Renee Baribeau: and cause so many of those songs were also Girl Scout Camp Songs.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right.

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Renee Baribeau: Friend is blowing in the wind.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right, yeah.

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Renee Baribeau: You know. Maybe my wind journey started long before I knew. But but it's

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Renee Baribeau: and someone was just telling me this morning in my walking circle, Sandra, that they love your circle songs.

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Renee Baribeau: Know probably all the thousands of people who walk and sing your circle songs because you made it accessible for them to sing.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right? Yeah, when I lead fire ceremonies at my workshops

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Sandra Ingerman: these days people are a little bit tired and go to bed earlier. But back in the old days after my fire ceremonies. Nobody wanted to go to bed. We would stay up till 4 in the morning singing circle songs around the fire.

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Sandra Ingerman: and you know people would teach another one, and somebody would teach another one, and somebody would teach another one and be 4 o'clock, and then we'd be back in class at 9 o'clock in the morning just feeling

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Sandra Ingerman: so strong and happy and ready to keep going. And you know, it's just really amazing. And so you know, one of the things that I love to do with groups is to

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Sandra Ingerman: teach people a song that really helps them. And I can definitely teach a healing song today.

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Renee Baribeau: Hmm.

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Sandra Ingerman: That's probably there's a lot of circle songs that people really love. But the feedback that I'm getting is, there's 1 particular song where you sing to the song, to ask you sing to the sun.

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Sandra Ingerman: to ask the sun to take your pain, your fear, your grief, whatever's bothering you at the moment to the cool waters down below, so that you're free of it, and I can't tell you how many people have been healed from it.

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Sandra Ingerman: and I recently taught a class on death and Dying.

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Sandra Ingerman: where we dealt a lot with grief.

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Sandra Ingerman: and I felt it was really important for the group to sing the song, every session. And we did. And the feedback that I got was the change that it created in people from doing. It was amazing. And so

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Sandra Ingerman: sometimes I'm singing that song as loud as I can, and sometimes I'm doing the humming and just doing the humming of it. And and I actually, if I can't go out for a particular reason. I'm not feeling well enough.

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Sandra Ingerman: I visualize myself standing out in nature with my arms up and open to the sun and singing to the sun and asking it to release my pain. And this is what people have been doing for tens of thousands of years.

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Renee Baribeau: I love that. Yeah, there's a chapter in my Pilgrims Guide for Walking wisdom all about singing a song, and about when you're walking. All of a sudden songs you don't even remember come back in like from when the time I was a child I'd be, you know, in an excruciating long part of the trail, and all of a sudden I'd find myself singing camp songs from when I was 7,

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Renee Baribeau: and I sing them over and over again until they, until I would remember them. And so I bet you, deep inside of all of us are a lot of songs that we forgot that we remember, and it'd probably be really good for us to start to bring up some of those songs again. But I would love if you want to end today by singing that song.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, sure, I I'm teaching a workshop next week. So I actually packed up my drum. But I always have another one here.

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Sandra Ingerman: So

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Sandra Ingerman: as I get my drum and get ready, and let's see how my drum sounds. So it's a little tight.

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Sandra Ingerman: We're having a heat spell in Santa Fe right now, so I don't know how many of you have been in groups, not shamanic groups, or anything, but just where you went on long hikes with other people, and when things became hard you all started singing together so that you could get through the hard paths. And how empowered you got as you did that.

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Sandra Ingerman: So I believe that we all have examples from our own life and our own history of how singing a song got you through a tough time how it got you through walking uphill, how it got you back into a balanced place again.

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Sandra Ingerman: So in this particular song you're singing to the sun to ask the sun to take a pain, and it doesn't matter if it's a physical pain, emotional pain. And if you don't know what pain you have, you can just ask the sun to take what it sees that it needs to be released from your body.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so you're singing to the sun, and you ask the sun to take your pain to the cool waters down below.

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Sandra Ingerman: and those of you who study Shamanism know that in doing extraction, work, extraction of pains and illnesses in only some cultures, not all cultures. It's only a few cultures. They actually work with water to put the extracting spirit into, to neutralize the pain.

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Sandra Ingerman: So it's a form of healing that has done by shamans. In certain cultures some shamans put it into fire, some into sand.

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Sandra Ingerman: So different elements are used, but some cultures use water, so the words are morning, sun, morning, sun. Come my way, come my way.

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Sandra Ingerman: take my pain, take my pain. Down below, down below, down below, down below, cool waters down below.

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Sandra Ingerman: Usually the song is sung where you sing each verse 4 times, and you can do that in your own time we'll just sing it through together once, and so I'll just do this with you. And so let's all just imagine ourselves unless you're driving. If you're driving, just hold the intention, and you can sing while you drive, too.

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Sandra Ingerman: But if you're not driving, close your eyes and think about, think about what

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Sandra Ingerman: what you'd like the sun to take from you. So here we go.

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Sandra Ingerman: morning, sun, board, turn. I have to start that over. Sorry I need water.

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Renee Baribeau: I can cut it.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah. And and again, we won't be on video. So

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Sandra Ingerman: morning, sun, morning, sun come my way, come my way, come my way, come my way, take my pain, take my pain, take my pain.

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Sandra Ingerman: take my pain. Down below, down below, down below, down below, cool waters down below.

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Sandra Ingerman: So that's a good one that you can sing. And

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Sandra Ingerman: I had, and I've actually shared this story on an earlier shaman's cave. I had a student back in the old days, who had really bad Ptsd. From being in the Vietnam war, and he healed himself from going out and singing the song to the sun every day.

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Sandra Ingerman: He was so grateful to me for teaching that song that when I saw him a year later he gave me the rattle that he used to sing the song with every day.

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Renee Baribeau: Well, that's beautiful story.

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Renee Baribeau: I think I'll go out and sing to the sun once it's not a hundred again.

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Sandra Ingerman: Excuse me.

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Renee Baribeau: Well, I hope you really enjoyed the show, because I think this whole idea of movement, and tell us how you move. Tell us what you do, what songs you sing.

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Renee Baribeau: and you can do that over at the Shaman's cave or over at the Youtube Channel, or, you know, send us an email. And one thing is is in the shaman's cave on Facebook. Everyone wants to share their events and what they're up to. But we really want to hear about your experiences, so

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Renee Baribeau: we don't really respond too well. When people are just sharing their events and sharing from another page, you know, because it's our page, and our our whole point is is to help you get through these times with the wisdom that we have, the wisdom that we share, and you share your wisdom, and then we can reflect

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Renee Baribeau: as a group back on that as well.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, I've actually like a lot of people. I'm moving off of social media because I want more time in nature.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so the only post, some responding to on the shaman's cave. Now are the ones written from the heart.

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Renee Baribeau: To.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right from the heart. Then you've received a comment.

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Sandra Ingerman: So think about that. We really need heart-centered conversations right now. More information is really not helping people right now, but heart-centered. What's happening in your heart right now?

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Renee Baribeau: So go outside in nature and sing a song today.

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Renee Baribeau: Alright, thank you, and we'll talk to you soon.

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Sandra Ingerman: Blessings, everyone.