Calling Yourself Back Home: Shamans Cave

Renee and Sandra start by talking about something many spiritual practitioners face — burnout. From there, they share simple and heartfelt ways to call yourself back home and create more harmony and peace in every part of your life.

Humor was immersed into the energy of the show. We all need to laugh a bit right now. And we all need ways to learn how to call ourselves back home.

Join Renee Baribeau and Sandra Ingerman for his lively show!  Follow Us at Shamanstv.com

Transcript

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Sandra Ingerman: Hi, everyone! I'm Sandra Ingerman, and welcome to the shaman's cave.

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Renee Baribeau: And I'm Rene Barabow, the practical shaman, and we are really excited to be here today, and we have a topic we've never talked about

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Renee Baribeau: before I was going through our I don't know what 7 years of topics and we're going to talk about today about the difference between a career and a vocation.

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Renee Baribeau: and I'm gonna let Sandra start us off.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah. So

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Sandra Ingerman: I've been having conversations with some of my students, and I've been doing a little bit more mentoring.

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Sandra Ingerman: And I actually can't remember who I had this conversation with, but it was just the other day, and she said to me, in your years of Shamanism, you know, I've been practicing and studying formally for 44 years, and God knows how long before that, probably from when I was born.

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Sandra Ingerman: and we were talking about how Shamanism has not been a career for me. It's never been a career for me. It's a way of life.

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Sandra Ingerman: and I am one of the shyest people on the planet. People don't realize it. I actually have to tell my students at workshops this, because

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Sandra Ingerman: if I if I kind of clam up socially during lunch breaks. They think I'm arrogant and don't want to talk to them.

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Sandra Ingerman: Be too shy. I don't know what to say. I know how to teach.

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Sandra Ingerman: but I don't know how to be with people socially. And that's just that's just how some of us are.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so what I realized as we were talking, because it's so easy for me to teach Shamanism. But it's so difficult for me to talk to people at lunch

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Sandra Ingerman: is Shamanism is such a way of life for me. That helped me so deeply that I'm so excited to share it with other people, but not as a career, but as an actual way of life, because that way of life

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Sandra Ingerman: is what has healed me on so many different levels? I know I still have a lot of healing to do. But, my God, where I was 44 years ago, what Shamanism did for me was amazing. So it's never been a career. It's been a way of life, and I guess people call that a vocation. I'm not familiar with that word actually.

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Renee Baribeau: Vocation. I like that word.

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Renee Baribeau: Many years ago.

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Renee Baribeau: One day the phone rang, and it was this woman, and she said.

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Renee Baribeau: Oh, I heard from somebody that I met in Peru that you're a shaman, and we're looking for a shaman at our

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Renee Baribeau: juice fasting center.

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Renee Baribeau: And I was like on the other end of the phone, thinking to myself, like, who told you that?

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Renee Baribeau: Like? Because I was like sitting there minding my own running a healing arts center. And it never occurred to me that I would ever go to a hotel, or, you know, an operation, and and do weekly group sessions or healing one on one with clients.

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Renee Baribeau: and

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Renee Baribeau: but I did, and I think it was a really useful part of my evolution to to see how that was for me. But like you, it was like, Yeah, this, this is. This was good for now. And this was a really good practice. But this is not really.

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Renee Baribeau: you know the destiny or the vocation of my life is to go up there every week and do healing sessions with people.

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Renee Baribeau: and

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Renee Baribeau: you know, spirit quickly, you know, removed that opportunity, and I was back to teaching and sharing in a different way.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, I've actually done a lot of what you did. But again.

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Sandra Ingerman: for me it's always been. Shamanism has been. How I can talk.

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Sandra Ingerman: how I express myself, how I can connect with others.

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Sandra Ingerman: So I found myself in really strange situations, whether it's somebody bringing a group to Santa Fe for tourism and asking me to share a bit about Shamanism. I mean to be able to wake people up to a different consciousness.

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Sandra Ingerman: I didn't feel that I was beneath that. To do that I've turned, of course, a lot of things down. There's only so many things you can do. But I really I really found that for me, doing healings with people doing talks for people, whether they were tourists or really seriously interested.

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Sandra Ingerman: It was a way for me to talk about what I'm passionate about. So it was a way for me to find joy and bliss in my life, to be able to share

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Sandra Ingerman: this incredible practice. That again is not a career for me, but a way of life, and to speak about it when speaking is so hard for me to be able to speak my bliss, to be able to speak my joy of what Shamanism has done for me in my life.

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Sandra Ingerman: It takes it out of a business model, and it puts it more into a human connection model with others, a way to inspire and something to really feel passionate about, you know, and especially right now. My God, we need to find things that we're really passionate about, that. We want to live more than we want to do. In my opinion, I think that's important.

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Renee Baribeau: Yes, and that's really worked out well. And people have resonated with that. I mean, it's just the testament to the amount of students. And you know, when you do teach how people just show up for for that. So that's really worked out. Well.

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Renee Baribeau: what what I think did for me at that retreat center was what they didn't understand. Was that again, what we're talking about is this is our vocation. This is how we live. So whether I was teaching people how to make a vision board which may not be. Take out the rattle or the drum, and you know, journey, but that that was

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Renee Baribeau: to me to show up and and live a life based in. You know, the energy around creating that vision because everything is alive with energy. There was no separation for me.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right.

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Renee Baribeau: I think they wanted me to put the headdress on, and you know, like, because the person who's still there after all these years brings, you know, 35 crystals lays out the whole grid, and and that's just never been me. I come with one drum, one rattle and magazines.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, you know, it's really interesting, because I'm having the same conversation, Renee, with so many people right now, just what you said.

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Sandra Ingerman: And we're not changing topics where this is all part of the same topic.

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Sandra Ingerman: Shamans have always been showmen.

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Sandra Ingerman: If you look at some of the really big shamanic teachers, they growled. They knew how to have fire come out of their fingers. They, you know, they had all these tricks. This was a known part of Shamanism. It was an accepted part of Shamanism that the magic went on behind the technique.

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Sandra Ingerman: but the client and the community had to see the tech. They had to see the action

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Sandra Ingerman: they had to see while drumming while dancing, while growling, while everything. And when I started teaching things like extraction, my students would say, Sandra, you don't look like everybody else. It's like.

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Sandra Ingerman: Come on. Can't you be an Essie Parrish? She was a famous Pomo Shaman woman, who, the way her body spasmed and moved like a snake when she would do a healing they'd go. Sandra, can't you do it like Essie? And I'd be. I'm not, Essie, I'm not this person. I'm not that person, and I'm not a show person, but I know how to heal.

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Sandra Ingerman: And and so that has been a very big part of Shamanism which you got caught in. You know. How many crystals can you bring? How many crystal bowls can you bring?

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Sandra Ingerman: But you know what I'm finding today is that's not so much of what people are looking for. They're looking for more grounded practices like you're teaching Rene doing wind walks and things like that. They're not really looking for the showmanship right now. They're looking for the more grounded practices exactly

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Sandra Ingerman: as what is your way of life right now?

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Renee Baribeau: I think that that's true. And I think I learned it early. Even before I started any shamanic classes, I was, I owned a restaurant when I was 30,

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Renee Baribeau: and it was a farm to table restaurant.

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Renee Baribeau: and there was only 6, 6, or 8 tables very small.

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Renee Baribeau: and it really never made any money, because there was only 6 or 8 tables

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Renee Baribeau: but one. So I started to cater.

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Renee Baribeau: and one night I was at this catering for 100, and I taught my sous chef everything that I wanted him to learn, step by step by step.

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Renee Baribeau: and then I was at the grocery store.

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Renee Baribeau: and I ran into a client, and he said, Oh, I was at your restaurant the other day. It's just not the same when you're not there.

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Renee Baribeau: and I said. He's got my recipe book. He's cooking exactly what I told him, and he looked at me, said.

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Renee Baribeau: Yes, but you cook with love.

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Renee Baribeau: and I think that that is the essence of the vocation is, what do we do with love like?

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Renee Baribeau: How do I show up for it? How do I show up, and I believe that how I show up for everything and anything is how I show up for everything like, you know, I just left the Behavior Healthcare Company, and I felt like that. I was. You know, the ship captain for years holding the line of the energy for the organization, because that's how I show up now.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right.

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Renee Baribeau: I didn't have to prove to them anything, but I wanted to hold the line of integrity, and you know, and and the conference that I built was built on

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Renee Baribeau: quality, and I think that those are all really strong practices of a Shamanic leader.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, I think it shows the difference between a true whether you want to call them Shaman Shamanic teacher, shamanic practitioner versus somebody who's out there in the collective, because people are looking for ways to find more power to feel some power in their lives. Or, as we've talked about on past shows.

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Sandra Ingerman: We're constantly both of us getting emails, letters about how people got that Shamanism is a really good career to get into and

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Sandra Ingerman: to know how to enter that career. And it's so interesting to see the difference, because there's a lot of people out there like that who Shamanism is a career for. And it's a way to make income. And then you look at the teachers and the practitioners who are just coming from a place of love.

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Sandra Ingerman: And this has just happens to be the form that really spoke to their heart, because they can drop into it as a way of life

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Sandra Ingerman: versus a work job that they have to do. And so you really see the difference in what comes through for students and clients. When you have a person who's working as Shamanism as a way of life versus somebody who learned techniques

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Sandra Ingerman: and ways of being a show person in order to make money in order to get out there more. But how much are they really helping others right now?

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Renee Baribeau: I think you've said it over the years.

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Renee Baribeau: Is there magic in your work? Does somebody heal?

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Renee Baribeau: You know there's nothing like looking back.

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Renee Baribeau: you know, at some of the people that I've worked with over the years to see, you know that they don't need me anymore, you know. But I can. Social media has kept it on horizon where I can see like, wow! They're really living their life now, you know, like, in a really empowered way. And what a gift that is to to be able to step in as a vocation, that you help somebody find their vocation in their work in their world that

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Renee Baribeau: that sustains itself over time and not just.

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Renee Baribeau: you know, a 5 min healing here or there, but something that is a real lasting change for people, and I think for me that's been far more important than you know the minute by minute, you know, blow by blow kinds of

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Renee Baribeau: showmanship things, because we can all do that.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right? Yeah, I think I think, I think kind of what you and I have created, that we're sharing with the world

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Sandra Ingerman: is what has been important to us, and what has been passionate about again, a way of life.

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Sandra Ingerman: and that, as I keep repeating, that really makes a difference when you're living it. And one of the issues, with all spiritual practices that are going on right now is on one level. The veils are thinner than they've been, so people are stepping into spiritual work much easier than they ever have before. But I've been watching that over the 40 years. How

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Sandra Ingerman: the veils keep thinning, thinning, thinning with different generations, so that, you know it took so long to learn how to journey 40 years ago, and now it takes a minute to learn how to journey, but it demands discipline and it demands concentration and focus, no matter what spiritual path you're in demands, discipline, focus.

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Sandra Ingerman: And and that's that's a place where people have a hard time right now. It's easier to flip from one thing to another

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Sandra Ingerman: or go to a show person than really want to walk a life path.

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Sandra Ingerman: But I think, Rene and I think, Renee, we're getting people listening to the shaman's cave who are actually walking the path of Shamanism as a life path.

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Sandra Ingerman: And that's the people who are interested in our show. And so it's really important to really make that distinction that you know the wind work is your way of life, journeying and speaking to the students and omens, and nature is my way of life.

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Sandra Ingerman: That's very different than actually saying, this is a job.

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Renee Baribeau: I was. I was telling Sandra before we started was that when I sent a few chapters over to the editor, I'm working on the book. Practical Shaman. She's there like you can't be talking about this, as as you know, like something that people are going to buy it. And I had to finally own it myself, like, no, this is the path that I'm walking. And so I think, if you're listening, and you're not sure that the path that you're walking is solid.

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Renee Baribeau: It might be a time that you have to own that these are the rituals that I'm doing. Last week my heart was so full when I heard one of my students say, I get up every single day and do a win zip!

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Sandra Ingerman: Hmm.

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Renee Baribeau: I'm there like God, I have to remember to do that. Thank you for the reminder that there's people who are doing these wind practices every single day in their life, and

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Renee Baribeau: because they make a difference.

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Sandra Ingerman: Exactly. Yeah.

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Renee Baribeau: And then I'm not so perfect at it but to hear other people say, and they're like, Oh, I should try that.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, I'm doing the same thing now. I have students who are writing. Oh, I'm doing this every day. And so I've been saying to myself, why aren't you doing this every day yourself? So I'm starting to incorporate, too. And and that's been part of the fun of living Shamanism as a way of life

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Sandra Ingerman: is learning from my students, from my peers, from other teachers, about what are the practices, the daily practices, that bring us joy and peace and harmony in our lives. Not what are the big, gigantic? 3 day ceremonies that do that? But what are the daily little things that we do to make our lives better.

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Sandra Ingerman: and I think that's been a lot of the joy for me of teaching Shamanism and walking the path. And I think it's what still keeps me interested is, I tend to find people in my life who are sharing new ways to work and how they're working daily, and that's what excites me.

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Renee Baribeau: And the room.

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Sandra Ingerman: Work that excites me at this particular point. It's the daily work that it excites me right now.

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Renee Baribeau: And one thing that more I'd like to say on this is that

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Renee Baribeau: often, like people come to our classes, and I'm sure this has happened for you, too, that oh, you know I want to do. I want to do my spiritual work, my Shaman work full time.

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Renee Baribeau: and I think

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Renee Baribeau: we are doing it full time when, when, no matter what career we're doing. I think I loved

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Renee Baribeau: this idea that you can be the best mail carrier in the world

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Renee Baribeau: who might influence people one letter at a time when you're talking to them at their mailbox, or they're getting their mail, or that that the Earth spirits are everywhere in the mail you're delivering. I think that's what I loved about Andean, Shamanism or Andean, Paco, or whatever. However, they describe it is that

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Renee Baribeau: they just knew that spirit was alive in the table and in the the bottles that they drank, and everything was so alive and infused with spirit that

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Renee Baribeau: no matter if you were the waitress, you're bringing spirit to everyone, and I think that leads into something we're going to talk about in in our our next.

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Renee Baribeau: our next podcast is about, you know what we bring in into our body. So I think it's a perfect lead in, but that there is no separation. When you're truly living your vocation about how you show up for a day job or not, show up for a day job, or write a book or not. Write a book that

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Renee Baribeau: there you can't. It's not like Velcro that you can pull apart.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, I, I think that you said that perfectly.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, yeah.

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Sandra Ingerman: yeah. I think, as you said, I think it's, how we bring the work into our daily life, and how we affect people.

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Sandra Ingerman: And you know, I think that's a beautiful message to bring out into the world and to lead our community with at this particular point in time. So if you're on the shaman's cave, it would be really nice to hear from people about. How are you bringing love and joy through your shamanic practices.

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Sandra Ingerman: into your daily life, into the people you meet at the post office, and to the people who you meet at your job? How do you bridge the work into your daily life

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Sandra Ingerman: instead of keeping how you live and what you practice separate because it. That's not how it works. It has to be a way of life, and that's where the power and the magic lives.

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Renee Baribeau: I brought the people at my post office, my oracle decks.

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Sandra Ingerman: Oh, that's.

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Renee Baribeau: What are you shipping all the time? And they're like, well, let me just bring you one, and then you can find out from here.

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Sandra Ingerman: That's really sweet. Yeah.

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Renee Baribeau: I don't know what they'll do with them, but who knows? You never know when things gifts like that end up and where they go and who they're gonna serve. So again.

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Renee Baribeau: just give freely, and it will show up.

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Sandra Ingerman: That's right.

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Sandra Ingerman: Well,

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Sandra Ingerman: We hope you enjoyed the show, and it was meaningful for you, and we send you many blessings, and we know that we're going to see you out there one way or another, so we send you a lot of love.

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Renee Baribeau: And I would just like to thank the woman who took the time to send us a donation by mail.

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Sandra Ingerman: Oh!

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Renee Baribeau: And not only like it's easy to do on Paypal and things, but she actually took the time to write us a letter and thank us, and sent us a check for $111. Of course, with my book 1 11 insights, you know. I love that amount. So thank you, and really support us by sharing the show. You can always donate to the show, and you can. The best thing you could do is turn turn somebody on to our show.

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Sandra Ingerman: And turn somebody on to the work.

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Renee Baribeau: Right, exactly.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah.

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Renee Baribeau: Alright, thank you, and we'll see you soon.