Where Are Your Spiritual Tools?: Shamans Cave

When you look at how the spiritual community is communicating you can hear how overwhelmed people are with all the changes we are experiencing. And a lot of people are just losing hope and don’t have the energy to perform any spiritual practices. We are seeing a culture in big burnout.

In this rich show Renee and Sandra talk about this issue we are seeing as well as share some wonderful tools that are so simple to use. Just even imagining the sun shining on your face can lift you up to move forward out of a shadow state. We want to acknowledge the shadow in ourselves and in the collective without going down with the ship.

Join Renee Baribeau and Sandra Ingerman and hear how you can work with the simplest practices to give you the energy to create a good life. Shamanstv.com

Transcript

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Renee Baribeau: Hello, everyone. Welcome to the Shaman's Cave. I'm Renee Barabeau.

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Sandra Ingerman: Hi everyone, I'm Sandra Ingerman, and welcome to the Shaman's Cave.

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Sandra Ingerman: Today.

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Renee Baribeau: You go ahead. You're always better at explaining than I am.

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Sandra Ingerman: Not always, but thanks. So, the topic that we want to talk about in our show today, we're actually calling, Where Are Your Spiritual Tools?

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Sandra Ingerman: And, what really led me to feeling passionate about talking about this topic today

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Sandra Ingerman: is that I am pretty much off of social media, but I do go on just to see where the spiritual community is at. That's my job. I'm a teacher, I write, I see clients, and so…

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Sandra Ingerman: I need to know a lot of where the collective is at.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so, I watch so many people who have taken so many shamanic workshops.

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Sandra Ingerman: not necessarily from me or Renee, but teachers all over the world, and they spent years and an amazing amount of money taking all these workshops.

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Sandra Ingerman: And gathering the most potent spiritual tools that have gotten our ancestors and shamanic communities

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Sandra Ingerman: through situations a lot worse than we're going through right now. But what I notice is that when I read these posts, I'm just seeing people melting down.

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Sandra Ingerman: The same people who have an amazing tool bag,

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Sandra Ingerman: But are choosing not to use them at this particular time. And that's just real interesting to me, because as people might know, I keep writing about that we're on a sinking ship.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so, we have spiritual tools.

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Sandra Ingerman: So that we can keep moving forward in life and create a different dimension of life.

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Sandra Ingerman: But I'm finding that a lot of people are choosing not to use the tools that they have.

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Renee Baribeau: That's an interesting word, choosing not to use the tools that they have.

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Renee Baribeau: I think…

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Renee Baribeau: One thing I think that we're lucky is that we do teach. And a few weeks ago, when I was teaching the Dynamics of Creativity class, one of the students

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Renee Baribeau: Talked about how she gets out her wind whistle every single morning and starts her day that way.

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Renee Baribeau: And, like, I'm thinking to myself, like, Wow, that's a great idea!

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Sandra Ingerman: That's right.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah.

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Renee Baribeau: And really, you know, the tools that I've laid out, she's applying them and gone deeper in her life, and I've always said that there's, you know, a lot of my wind believers have gone deeper with the wind than even I did.

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Renee Baribeau: Or do, and… so I… I think that it's…

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Renee Baribeau: I don't… sometimes I don't know for me if it's a choice, or if I prioritize the day

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Renee Baribeau: differently, and…

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Renee Baribeau: as much as I prioritize the mornings are for my writing, I don't put in there, and before I write, I'm gonna do this ritual every single day.

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Renee Baribeau: And…

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Renee Baribeau: You know, I think that that's the important part, is, like, to add that ritual piece into my life every day, to remember that that's what made… that's what got me here, that's what got me sane, that's what got me… you know, it's not cover my ass when I'm drowning, but it's, like, let me stay the course when I'm doing okay, too.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right, which is a really important point. Yeah, I have students who, tell me that they start their day, you know, I teach a song about, greeting the sun in the morning and asking the sun to take your pain.

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Sandra Ingerman: And back on former shows, before we knew people were driving while they were listening to us, we did teach songs, and we did do journeys.

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Sandra Ingerman: And some of my students do go out and start their day doing that, and even the ones who can't go out, you know, for whatever reason to greet the sun.

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Sandra Ingerman: are doing it in bed with their eyes closed, and, which has the same effect on, from a brain standpoint.

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Sandra Ingerman: Your brain doesn't know the difference of an imagined image and actually being outside, so your brain will take that healing.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so,

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Sandra Ingerman: It's really powerful, and, you know, on my author's page, what all I post on my author's page is things to keep people inspired, because what starts to happen

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Sandra Ingerman: It's when we get flooded by so much bad news or things that are so challenging us in our own lives.

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Sandra Ingerman: We just forget. We forget that, we can just go out and say, thank you for my life.

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Sandra Ingerman: And that that actually will turn the energy. Just those words will turn the energy.

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Sandra Ingerman: But what I'm finding is a lot of people in the spiritual community went down. I mean, really went down. So the thought of going out and blowing a wind whistle for a minute…

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Sandra Ingerman: Or singing to the sun for a minute is way too overwhelming for them.

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Sandra Ingerman: But the way to get out of overwhelm is to do this work.

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Sandra Ingerman: I, I actually, Woods and I went to a blues concert the other night.

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Sandra Ingerman: And he's… we saw this guy, he's won a million Grammys, and I know he was not having a panic attack, I know that.

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Sandra Ingerman: But he said, at one point, he said, oh, I'm starting to have a panic attack, I better start singing another song.

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Sandra Ingerman: And, you know, how perfect I put it in my next transmutation news, actually. I ended it with, if you're in the middle of having a panic attack, sing a song. You know, we have these really simple.

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Sandra Ingerman: I think people think we have to, you know, in this time of challenging times, we have to go out and do these really big ceremonies.

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Sandra Ingerman: And from an Indigenous shamanic point of view, they're saying Westerners are not doing the ceremonies that they need to be doing right now, and that's why we're having a lot of the issues that we're having. And I do agree with that. Personally, I do agree with that.

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Sandra Ingerman: But, we're also dealing with a culture and extreme overwhelm.

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Sandra Ingerman: So, you don't throw yourself into an all-night ceremony when you can barely get out of bed. You think about what's a real simple practice, like, imagining that I have,

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Sandra Ingerman: a light in my heart that I can send,

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Sandra Ingerman: To a cell in my body that's struggling.

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Sandra Ingerman: That's a spiritual tool that we can use.

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Sandra Ingerman: Closing our eyes and imagining the sun shining its light on us, or imagining a certain color, healing a particular part of our body or our mind. These are things that actually take no effort whatsoever.

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Sandra Ingerman: But what they say to your unconscious is, we're moving forward now.

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Sandra Ingerman: And that's… that's why I'm saying we need to find our spiritual tools, not overwhelming us with, oh my god, Renee and Sandra are giving us more practices, and I…

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Sandra Ingerman: I can barely function at this point. It's the real simple things. They're so simple, taking one deeper breath, seeing a beautiful color flowing through your body, imagining the sun lighting up your life.

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Sandra Ingerman: These are powerful tools that say to your unconscious, taking a step forward, and it will start to support you in that.

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Renee Baribeau: I agree, and sometimes taking a step forward is taking a step back. This morning, I was doomed… I have this bad habit of

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Renee Baribeau: I sleep with my phone near me, and I usually check my emails before… I don't know why first, it's just… and so this morning, there was one really annoying one.

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Renee Baribeau: And… My first automatic response is to reply.

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Renee Baribeau: And I didn't… I thought, like, you know, what good is that gonna do me?

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Renee Baribeau: So, I think going through the emails in the morning, or the Facebooks, or whatever, it… it…

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Renee Baribeau: That it triggers that flight or flight.

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Renee Baribeau: mechanism, right off the chute. So, if I can not do that, and I could

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Renee Baribeau: and maybe even if I saw them, but I didn't feel the need to respond to them, you know, I don't engage that, because as soon as I engage that, that sets me off for a pattern for the day, I find.

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Sandra Ingerman: Oh, absolutely.

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Renee Baribeau: Not a good one.

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Sandra Ingerman: Oh, absolutely, because that… that's… that seeded your psyche.

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Sandra Ingerman: what went in there. Yeah, what I'm doing, which I find, healthy, because I do try to get my computer work done in the morning, so I can do my exercises and other things in the afternoon.

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Sandra Ingerman: And, and work with clients and all of that.

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Sandra Ingerman: But back in the old days, what my life was always like, and this was just a habit that I had since, probably a teenager.

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Sandra Ingerman: was I would always take an hour or so to drink tea in bed, or when I was a coffee drinker, to drink coffee before I checked my phone messages, before I checked anything.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so then I found myself moving into a cycle like you.

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Sandra Ingerman: And I found that it was, it was ruining my day, because I was stuck on, on, you know, the messages, the…

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Sandra Ingerman: the things that triggered me. And so, now, I didn't think about it, it was just a natural thing that happened. Now, I drink my full cup of tea, however long that takes.

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Sandra Ingerman: While I stare out the window into nature. And then…

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Sandra Ingerman: I will start to do my work.

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Sandra Ingerman: Where I started to make my work the priority of the first thing I did once I opened my eyes, and like you, it's just not a healthy way to start your day.

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Renee Baribeau: Another little simple technique that I use in the afternoon, you know, on a particularly stressful day.

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Renee Baribeau: is that I will go out and water the plants.

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Renee Baribeau: And, inevitably, It shifts everything.

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Renee Baribeau: You know, when you go out and see how they're doing, and have a little conversation with them, and seeing how, you know, I planted some new plants in my new house, how they're liking it where they are, and and getting to know them. I think that that's such a gift you gave me, was to really

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Renee Baribeau: to get to know the plants a little bit more than I had in the past. You know, I always loved them, but I never really stopped to have a conversation with them, but now I have a conversation with them all.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right, yeah.

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Sandra Ingerman: And that's a powerful spiritual practice, too, that gets you out of your own drama.

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Sandra Ingerman: is connecting with a nature being, you know, who… I believe they have their own dramas, especially living with all of us, but, you know, it takes… it takes… it takes you out of yourself to remember there's a different aspect of life.

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Sandra Ingerman: Than what you're just looping and focusing on.

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Renee Baribeau: And I'm hoping you guys are hearing at home, what we're talking about is not, like, game-changing activities, like lighting a fire out in the yard, although

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Renee Baribeau: we did this… this last class that I was teaching for the Dynamics of Creativity. We were working with each section of… of the quadrants, and then putting them into a fire.

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Renee Baribeau: And one of the students had this beautiful fire where she put in her quadrant in there, and I'm there like.

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Renee Baribeau: I haven't done that.

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Renee Baribeau: How simple, and how profound, and how…

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Renee Baribeau: Expedient is the use of fire for transformation. I've been doing a lot of cooking, so maybe that counts a little bit.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right, yeah. No, fire is, you know, fire has been used since the beginning of time for transformation. That's its nature. It transforms, it heals, it purifies.

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Sandra Ingerman: So, it's wonderful to work with fire, and even if you, you know, one of the things that I've written in all my books, because I write about fire ceremonies in all my books.

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Sandra Ingerman: is I realized that a huge part of the population doesn't have a community to do a fire ceremony with, live in places that it's impossible to do a fire ceremony in your apartment.

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Sandra Ingerman: But you can light a candle and, and over the bathtub, you can write something, and you can burn it up.

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Sandra Ingerman: And it seems like, no, that wouldn't really work, but,

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Sandra Ingerman: The… the whole point of ceremony

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Sandra Ingerman: His ceremony brings stability and center back into our life again, so if you just write something down on a piece of paper that's really bothering you, and you give it to the fire to burn away.

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Sandra Ingerman: To take something out of your body that's dark, so that more light can actually fill your body.

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Sandra Ingerman: If it's as simple as just burning a piece of paper over your bathtub.

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Sandra Ingerman: That actually works, and it doesn't take a lot of effort to do something like that either.

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Renee Baribeau: And you can get magic paper, which…

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Renee Baribeau: That flash paper that just burns and gives you the… wow, that just kind of… You know… dissipated.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, a lot of my teachers actually use it, who, teach in their apartments, for fire ceremonies with their groups, but…

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Sandra Ingerman: I've actually never been able to get one of those papers to ignite, so…

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Renee Baribeau: Well, you know, they have to stay moist. If they dry out, they won't… they won't ignite. It's kind of a… it's kind of a tricky wicket. The, you know, you said something, though, that even you're igniting the paper, but even taking the time to write something down onto the paper.

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Renee Baribeau: is really, really important, because

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Renee Baribeau: I know, and I have a really great spiritual tool where I write it into the air.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right.

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Renee Baribeau: And then I have a wind goddess come grab it up in her wind sack, take it out past the fur of this galaxy, transmute it.

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Renee Baribeau: And… and then that removes it too, and it seems like a really simple exercise, but I wasn't teaching one time, and this guy had this whole big…

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Renee Baribeau: you know, a whole big extraction from just doing the exercise of writing on the air what was going on for him, and it, like, opened up a pathway for him. So, some of these things

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Renee Baribeau: You know, we like to complicate things, you know, because then we feel like, well, if it's complicated, it must work better.

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Renee Baribeau: But I think we're in a time where everything is so complicated right now. If we can find simple little spiritual tools that help us get through the day, like I mentioned I was cooking.

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Renee Baribeau: for some reason, my new kitchen's inspiring me to cook, and I had forgotten the joy of, you know, getting really fresh garden vegetables and chopping them and making them into different configurations.

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Renee Baribeau: taking that energy and turning it into form, and it… and it's shifting how I eat, how I live, how I have a relationship with the food on the island, so that's a good one, too.

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Sandra Ingerman: Absolutely, yeah, every little thing that we can do, one of the methods that I teach, and my own helping spirit showed it to me, God, so many years ago now.

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Sandra Ingerman: whenever, I have a looping thought, you know, and it's looping, looping, looping, days are going by, and it's still looping, and I can't get rid of it.

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Sandra Ingerman: He has… he stands with a board, and I use whiteout, and I write down what I'm upset about, and I use whiteout, and if I'm really upset about something, one whiteout session is not gonna work.

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Sandra Ingerman: So, I do the whiteout over it every day, and if I just have patience with it, and again, it takes no effort, in my mind, I'm seeing a negative looping thought, and I'm just seeing myself using whiteout, over it.

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Sandra Ingerman: And I find, if it's a really big looping thought, it could take a week, but after about a week, I go, what was that thought? I can't remember.

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Sandra Ingerman: that was anymore. And it's so easy, you know, it's just…

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Sandra Ingerman: he showed me, he said, just take white out, or think about… I know my European students say, what is white out? So just think about painting white.

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Renee Baribeau: A looping.

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Renee Baribeau: So there's no whiteout in Europe.

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Renee Baribeau: And the operative word was that, again, that a bigger resentment or a bigger refill takes a week.

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Renee Baribeau: one time, I brought in this energy, and I have to say that I brought it in… I wanted something. All of a sudden, the sorcerer showed up who said that they could get it for me, which was one of my harder learning moments, and then I had this energy in my home.

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Renee Baribeau: And it took me weeks and weeks and weeks to, you know, to transmute that energy back to, you know, into a stasis that could be manageable. So, not everything is like a one and done, like you just said, Sandra. It could take

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Renee Baribeau: It can take more, especially for those ingrown traumas.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, since I deal with traumas every single day, I have to find tools that, that can speed things up a little bit. When you work with the public, it's,

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Sandra Ingerman: Every day, you're helping people through really big things that bring up a lot of issues in you. So, sometimes you gotta stay with it for months and years, and sometimes you gotta move on because something else is coming really fast.

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Renee Baribeau: I think that that's true. And one thing that… I used to love that… what Hank Wesselman taught me once was about

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Renee Baribeau: that you have to do it with love, too. That aloha, if you're sending back energy that's not yours, to do it with as much light and as much love as you can, because whenever we have that other thought that

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Renee Baribeau: it… it tacks on there like Velcro.

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Renee Baribeau: And so the cleaner our thoughts back to whatever we're giving back to the universe is really important, and that's what sometimes takes me a while to get there. The other day, the carpenter was here, and he was, like, going on and on about his stepmother. So I wrote him out the script.

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Renee Baribeau: But in the script, there was a part where he had to take responsibility, like, you know, you're living there.

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Renee Baribeau: She expects… this is your rent to do the work for her. And, you know, like, to give… to re-script it in a way that… that maybe you'd start out with, thank you for letting me live here for a year.

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Renee Baribeau: And I understand this is important to you.

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Renee Baribeau: Now, let's make it fair for everyone.

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Sandra Ingerman: And… Right.

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Renee Baribeau: And so, scripts for me, work really well, too.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, that's neat. And yeah, what Hank was just referring to, the oldest shamanic teaching on the planet, which is…

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Sandra Ingerman: If you're sent, something negative, and you send that same thing back to that person, it returns to you 3 times.

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Renee Baribeau: Huh?

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Sandra Ingerman: exponentially. So, it's the oldest shamanic teaching on the planet, and so…

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Sandra Ingerman: What I do is, I imagine that somebody sent me a gift in the mail, and I didn't want it, and so I write on the package, return to sender with love.

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Renee Baribeau: Like, just like you're sending your Amazon package back.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right.

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Sandra Ingerman: But with love on.

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Renee Baribeau: You know, you don't, like, if you don't want the ballpoint pens that just came in the mail, you don't have, like, a big reaction about it. You just say, oh, this wasn't what I ordered.

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Renee Baribeau: And I love that. You know, next time when I send things back, I'll just put a little heart on them.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right, yeah.

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Renee Baribeau: That's great.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah.

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Renee Baribeau: I love this… I love this… this talk about just little simple tools that we use to get through the day.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah.

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Renee Baribeau: It's kind of a fun little one.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, because we're all looking at, you know, how could you… unless… I have a lot of students who are… I really bow down to them, I really do. They've disconnected completely, they have no idea what's going on in the world, and they're living a really good life.

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Sandra Ingerman: And that's where I hope we all get to, is we disconnect from the illusion, because it's just an illusion, what we're living out right now.

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Sandra Ingerman: But, until we get to that point…

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Sandra Ingerman: How do we use the simplest little tools when we get so overwhelmed, where we feel like our day is like a tidal wave is hitting us every day?

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Sandra Ingerman: There are just little things, like Renee and I shared, that can just pick you up enough so that you can take that next step forward.

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Renee Baribeau: Why don't you, at home, share us your, you know, simple trip? Like, imagine we have a whole thread of simple tips and tricks that people can use, because

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Renee Baribeau: you know, where I might resonate with one, you might resonate with another, and somebody else would resonate with something totally different.

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Sandra Ingerman: Absolutely. No, as a community, if we can share

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Sandra Ingerman: we can share the things that are working for us. What a blessing.

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Renee Baribeau: Hmm.

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Sandra Ingerman: Power of community is how we support each other, through not just the good times, but the turbulent times, too.

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Renee Baribeau: Absolutely. So you know where to find us, over at Shamanstv.com, our Facebook group, The Shaman's Cave, and I'd love to see a wall filled up with these kinds of tips.

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Renee Baribeau: you know, simple tips to get through the day, because people are… they like to prophesize over there and tell us things, but I really would rather have, this is what I do today, this is how I got through this, you know, really personalized and really valuable

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Renee Baribeau: something that I… I could use in my own life that I might not have thought about.

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Sandra Ingerman: Absolutely, yeah.

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Sandra Ingerman: Well, thank you, everyone, for the brilliant work that you are doing. I know that every single one of us out there listening to this show is doing the absolute best that you can, and that's… that's what we can all do at this particular time.

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Sandra Ingerman: As we look at ways that we can use our spiritual tools to keep moving forward in life, instead of trying to move backwards.