What Does it Mean to Be in Service: Shamans Cave

In the Western world we often equate being in service to being a star or having fame on some level. How public people are is often interpreted for how deeply someone is providing service. But is that true? Renee and Sandra have a different viewpoint on this. When you inspire someone and lift them up and change their day and life isn’t that a high form of service? When you reach your hand out to help another although you have your own challenges in life isn’t this one of the most powerful ways to be in service right now?

Renee Baribeau and Sandra Ingerman talk about this topic as so many people don’t value how much service they do for others right now. And it is time to acknowledge the gifts you share with the world.  Follow Us @theshamanscave and ShamansTV.com

Join us for this inspiring show!

Transcript

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Renee Baribeau: Hello everyone, it's Renee.

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Renee Baribeau: Welcome to the Shaman's Cave!

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Sandra Ingerman: Hi everyone, I'm Sandra Ingerman, and welcome to the Shaman's Cave. It's a beautiful fall day in Santa Fe today, so I have a lot of gratitude for, just being surrounded by an amazing amount of beauty right now.

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Renee Baribeau: And our last show was on gratitude, and the web that it weaves and, dismantling and looking at that spiral, so if you missed the last one, go back and listen to it.

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Renee Baribeau: And… We're really excited to be here. We're… we're heading towards our 260th show here, and it's unbelievable

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Renee Baribeau: The service that we've…

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Renee Baribeau: given to do this, because we don't get a lot of donations. We love when we get donations, so if you haven't sent us one, we're open.

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Renee Baribeau: However, I think what's kept us sitting here, week after week, month after month, year after year, is that we…

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Renee Baribeau: Not only do we love our conversations that we have with each other, but we know how many people at home are struggling, and this idea of that this is how we show up in service has been the underpinning of our show.

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Renee Baribeau: All of these years.

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Sandra Ingerman: Absolutely. And I have a lot of students right now who are not doing well on a physical level.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so, they judge themselves, and I know I have, believe it or not, I've judged myself that I'm not doing it.

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Sandra Ingerman: enough, and it's pretty crazy. I've been working every day for 44 years and haven't taken a day off, and I still think I'm not doing enough.

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Renee Baribeau: I thought it was 45 now, didn't we just hit the 45?

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, we've been to 45 years.

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Sandra Ingerman: But I'm talking to these… all these students, they just have all these people, acquaintances in my life, most of my friends are… have left the planet.

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Sandra Ingerman: But I still have a lot of acquaintances in my life, and a lot of students in my life who, who communicate with me.

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Sandra Ingerman: And one of the issues that's coming up for people as they're starting to close up their lives and looking at the end of their lives.

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Sandra Ingerman: Is that they haven't been in service. That they haven't done enough.

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Sandra Ingerman: And it's such an interesting,

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Sandra Ingerman: Issue to look at, because we've been brainwashed by society about what service looks like.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so one of the things that I've shared with people is some of the biggest people in the public, and I'm talking about all through the public, through all traditions.

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Sandra Ingerman: A lot of the people who are really public, who get so much gratitude for the service that they do, are actually doing it out of ego.

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Sandra Ingerman: And for money.

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Sandra Ingerman: It's… it's unfortunate, but it's true.

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Sandra Ingerman: But a lot of people who just write an inspirational post somewhere.

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Sandra Ingerman: Or call a friend to just find out if they're doing okay in these times.

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Sandra Ingerman: Or writing an email to just… Uplift somebody.

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Sandra Ingerman: For me, personally, I'm just speaking for myself.

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Sandra Ingerman: That is greater service than most people I know who are so public right now.

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Renee Baribeau: Hmm.

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Sandra Ingerman: It's just… this is just my own mindset.

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Sandra Ingerman: Is… it's how you affect individuals.

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Sandra Ingerman: And the place that you do it from inside of yourself, not…

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Sandra Ingerman: what… what's all the energy people are going to send back to me? What's all the love people are gonna send back to me? What's all the money people are going to send back to me for doing this? Which is why I do so much for free, is because I don't want to be put in that position. I never want to be put in that position.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so, there are hundreds of thousands of people who are uplifting their friends and their community on a daily basis.

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Sandra Ingerman: But so many of them don't recognize the value, but project that it's the stars out there, who are shining, who are doing the greatest service.

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Sandra Ingerman: And I find that sad, and I think it's a mindset that we all have to change, and we all have to change it now.

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Sandra Ingerman: Because we're all equal, and we all are in service. If you were at the grocery store and made somebody smile, you might have done the biggest service that you know. You might have stopped that person from going home and hurting themselves.

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Sandra Ingerman: You don't know what service actually means sometimes.

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Renee Baribeau: So true. The other day, I was at the post office.

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Renee Baribeau: And there's this new postmaster in our town.

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Renee Baribeau: And there she is, she's putting up all Halloween decorations, and, you know, the witch riding the broom, and…

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Renee Baribeau: I'm sure she doesn't get paid any extra to make the post office feel warm and welcoming.

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Renee Baribeau: But since she's been there, there's been an entire shift in the Postal Service in our community.

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Renee Baribeau: And…

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Renee Baribeau: nobody's, you know, giving her a big applause, or a big raise, or anything, but I always make a point of

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Renee Baribeau: saying, wow, since you've come here, this post office feels so much better. Cleaner, more energetic, I like to walk over here. And it's those kinds of recognitions when somebody does something a little bit special that's another act of service

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Renee Baribeau: I was acknowledging the difference.

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Sandra Ingerman: Absolutely, and I think we have to change the mindset. I think we're all in service, all the time, and we're all equal.

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Sandra Ingerman: If you can inspire somebody and make them smile, I believe inside my heart.

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Sandra Ingerman: You're doing just as well as a person who sold 100,000 bucks.

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Sandra Ingerman: Hmm.

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Sandra Ingerman: It's not about how much you do, it's what you do, the actions that you take, the kindness, the compassion.

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Sandra Ingerman: that you hold in your heart. And Renee and I, as we talked about this before the show, we talked about how showing up feeds into this topic of service, of,

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Sandra Ingerman: it's about, I know a lot of people who are very, get a lot of attention for a lot of things.

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Sandra Ingerman: But will they show up for a person, one person who's suffering?

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Sandra Ingerman: Will they show up for an individual?

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Sandra Ingerman: And so, I think we have this really, unbalanced definition of what service means. And for me, if you can change one person's life by making them smile in a day, that is true service.

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Sandra Ingerman: And if you're willing to call somebody, or go see somebody who's having a really hard time right now.

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Sandra Ingerman: That's true service. And one of the things that we've been talking about, Renee, is how people seem to be so drained, they don't wanna,

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Sandra Ingerman: They're still in service, we're all in service. We're thinking good things about anything during the day, we're in service. But when people start talking about how drained their energy is, and that they can't do more.

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Sandra Ingerman: What is imbalanced? What has to be cleaned up in your inner world that's making you so drained that you can't even make a phone call to somebody to show up?

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Sandra Ingerman: And so, what is going on in our culture right now? Because you're not seeing it in other cultures. What is going on in our culture right now, where people feel too drained to even show up?

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Sandra Ingerman: To be an inspiration to even one person in their lives and in their community.

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Renee Baribeau: Yes, I think about the things that flow freely, like the breast milk from a mother. I always… this is a really… I think that there's people who are like the breast milk of a mother, and then there's the people who never got off the nipple.

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Renee Baribeau: You know, that they keep thinking there's more for me to suck.

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Renee Baribeau: So, there's the people who are feeding and the people who are sucking. And so, a lot of times, when I'm… when I'm in… in feeling like that there's no energy left for me.

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Renee Baribeau: I learned this in AA years ago. It's like, where have I stopped giving?

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Renee Baribeau: where… where do I think that there's something that I need to only give when I'm gonna get something back?

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Renee Baribeau: Because when I think that I'm gonna get something back, then it becomes a selfish act.

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Renee Baribeau: And so, when I give freely from my heart, there is no expectation of anything being returned to me.

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Renee Baribeau: And yet, from that well, the water continues to flow, and there's… It's abundant!

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Renee Baribeau: Right. It's abundant when I don't think I have one more thing to do, or one more thing to give, and then I tell somebody at the grocery store, wow, I really love that flowery shirt you have on today, and they light up like a charm.

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Renee Baribeau: All of a sudden, there's a little more water flowing.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, there is. It's… it's like…

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Sandra Ingerman: Sometimes I can sit down in front of a Zoom getting ready to do something, and I'll go, wow, I really didn't sleep well last night, I wonder…

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Sandra Ingerman: I wonder how I'm gonna be with the group, I wonder how this is all gonna come through, and all of a sudden, I'm filled with so much energy.

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Sandra Ingerman: And then when I'm done, when I said to myself, well, you can rest for the rest of the day after you're done.

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Sandra Ingerman: It's like, well, when I'm done, I have so much energy. I clean the house, I start doing things I haven't… things on my list that I've been procrastinating about. It's… it's, when you give, and we know that giving and receiving is one cycle.

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Sandra Ingerman: But,

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Sandra Ingerman: I'm just questioning… for me, it's a question of why so many people who have been saying they're in service are so drained right now.

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Sandra Ingerman: It's a question for me, because there are so many people in service who are not trained right now, but are sick and suffering on so many levels, but have so much vitality to still be in service.

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Renee Baribeau: I think… I really believe it's in that expectation of what you're getting back. You know, has Spirit forsaken me? Did I get the money I needed? Can I pay… can I… you know, it's when we start, like… to me, that's where the scales always tip for me, when I'm not thinking I got mine.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah.

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Renee Baribeau: And there's always that. It's like, it's not 80% that, it's always that. And that's not to say that we don't get to set boundaries, because recently, these people have been writing me on Facebook saying, save me or I'm gonna die.

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Renee Baribeau: And I, you know me, I give them the 988 phone number.

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Sandra Ingerman: See, cause, like…

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Renee Baribeau: That just doesn't… that's not…

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Renee Baribeau: I don't know you, I don't know why you're reaching out to me, I don't even know if you're a real person, and yet there's somebody else who would be reaching out to me that I… I take the time to sit there and make a thoughtful response

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Renee Baribeau: Have you considered… did you think about… you know, because that doesn't…

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Renee Baribeau: There's a fine line between just showing up to suck your own self dry, and being a really service to people who… who really need you.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, absolutely. I think, I think we're talking about an issue

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Sandra Ingerman: That is actually a little bit more complex.

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Sandra Ingerman: Then we're making it and saying, well, everybody is in service, whether they know it or not. If you've made one person smile, don't compare yourself to somebody who's really public. It's not about that. It's not about the comparison.

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Sandra Ingerman: But the other part of that is,

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Sandra Ingerman: We have… a lot of people have been over-giving and are exhausted.

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Sandra Ingerman: But over-giving for the wrong reasons. Overgiving because of wounds inside of themselves.

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Sandra Ingerman: And I think that is a drain that people are experiencing right now, just a huge exhaustion of waking up.

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Sandra Ingerman: To how much people have compromised in their lives.

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Sandra Ingerman: to be liked, to fit into society. It's a place… it's a place of reflection that I see everywhere right now. It doesn't matter if it's a straight newspaper.

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Sandra Ingerman: or if it's a shamanic Facebook page, everybody I know is reflecting on that. It seems to be an energy driving our planet right now, or our culture right now.

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Sandra Ingerman: So, looking at those boundaries and how we stepped out of those boundaries and how we hurt ourselves is really crucial. And so, I'm not saying that we shouldn't be resting and taking care of ourselves and healing and doing our inner work.

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Sandra Ingerman: But it's the judgment we make about How we're not doing enough.

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Sandra Ingerman: That's the place where we have to stop.

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Renee Baribeau: you couldn't.

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Sandra Ingerman: And if we've done one thing for another human being, we have been in service.

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Sandra Ingerman: But it's also looking at…

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Sandra Ingerman: how did we get so exhausted that we actually can't be a support for a friend or somebody in need? How did we get so far that we say, I'm sorry that you're suffering, so I'm too tired to help?

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Renee Baribeau: That's, like, so true, and… and I think that we forget that taking care of ourself is a service to our service.

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Renee Baribeau: Like, that it… like, last week after I had just gotten back from the Cotswold, I saw my friend off, and I had to be at a conference for the weekend.

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Renee Baribeau: I knew that Monday and Tuesday were days for me to rest.

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Renee Baribeau: nothing… nothing else was important about but making sure I had good food, you know, that I… I could take care of myself, that… that the… the calendar… when people… people would reach out, and I was there like, well, yeah, no, today's my day off, and… and…

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Renee Baribeau: If we… In order to show up in service to other people, we

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Renee Baribeau: our responsibility to self-care is really important, because I learned that the year that Winds of Spirit came out, I got the flu 5 times that year.

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Renee Baribeau: And I thought to myself, like, wow, I really need to be healthy if I'm gonna show up to do this work that the winds are asking me to do. And it was that kind of a thing that took me to, like, oh yeah, I need to eat better, I need more rest, I need to take care of myself, and I need to play.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, yeah. So, in talking about service, this is a really big topic, because it's the little things that we do that we don't recognize that put us into service.

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Sandra Ingerman: It's looking at how we got too exhausted to even be able to put our hands out to another person.

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Sandra Ingerman: to just be there and walk with them. Not… not, go over and cook or do anything, just be there and walk with them through what they're going through. How did we get so exhausted?

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Sandra Ingerman: And then, how the definition of service also includes how we take care of ourselves. Because if we're only taking care of other people, then we're never in service, from a universal point of view.

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Renee Baribeau: - because it's a give and take, for sure. And right now, though, we do have to be careful, because

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Renee Baribeau: you know… Because we are affected by what's going on in the world.

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Renee Baribeau: So, if they're at a higher level, is people… I was thinking about this when we were talking about the subject, it's like, some of the social media posts that are becoming acceptable

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Renee Baribeau: make me turn off social media. Because, you know, if there's this… there was this post about a fighter jet

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Renee Baribeau: Putting excrement all over the world.

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Renee Baribeau: That's sorcery!

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Sandra Ingerman: And that's global sorcery.

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Renee Baribeau: And so, like, get your umbrella up.

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Renee Baribeau: You know, sometimes it means not paying attention to it, turning it off, and giving yourself a timeout so that you're not under the deluge of

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Renee Baribeau: Bigger… and what you were talking about is some of these bigger names, these bigger people.

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Renee Baribeau: Putting out and spewing their beliefs and their sorcery all over the rest of the world, you gotta duck.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right. Oh, yeah. You really have to duck right now. Somebody was… who was it? Somebody was talking to me. I don't see that many people, so I never know how I have all these conversations.

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Sandra Ingerman: But somebody said to me the other day,

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Sandra Ingerman: They said to look at the sorcery going on from one spiritual community with the sorcery going on with this certain church,

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Sandra Ingerman: you know, it's really crazy. It's like we're already in war.

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Sandra Ingerman: But, you know, people… people know it. We all know it. The energy out there. Who wants to leave their house right now? The energy out there is really quite crazy.

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Sandra Ingerman: But, that has to stop. We all have to grow up. We all have to grow up.

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Sandra Ingerman: And understand that being in service…

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Sandra Ingerman: Also means embracing the hardships of life

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Sandra Ingerman: And not using sorcery to try to change that. There are spiritual methods

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Sandra Ingerman: Where you're working with the power of the divine to create change, through the power of love, and through the power of working with spiritual light. The spiritual light from the earth, the spiritual light from source.

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Sandra Ingerman: And, that is showing up, and that is being in service.

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Sandra Ingerman: just trying to kill other people, psychically, spiritually, emotionally, or physically, is not being in service. There is no place.

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Sandra Ingerman: In the divine, that describes that as a way of being in service.

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Renee Baribeau: And I don't know if it's because I'm a Libra and I like balance, but I always find… I always look for the common ground.

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Renee Baribeau: What do we have in common?

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Renee Baribeau: You know, do you love your family? You know, and you mentioned the church, and I have one story about the church. When I was, when I had a catering company.

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Renee Baribeau: you know, sometimes I would need ice picked up on the way.

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Renee Baribeau: So, my spiritual but not religious friends would be like, well, are you gonna pay me extra if I go to the get the ice?

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Renee Baribeau: And my more religious friends would be like, oh, how many bags do you need?

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Renee Baribeau: And so, I would rely upon the people with the, how many bags do I need, instead of, how much am I going to pay you to stop at the store and get it?

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Sandra Ingerman: Right.

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Renee Baribeau: I mean, what's the question you're asking when somebody asks you for a favor?

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Sandra Ingerman: Right, right, yeah, yeah.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, and again, setting boundaries is part of being in service, too. It's part of being service to yourself. It's also being part of service to the world, because

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Sandra Ingerman: When you can set a boundary, you are actually moving more into, how nature behaves.

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Sandra Ingerman: And, you know, one of the things about

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Sandra Ingerman: Human beings right now, and a lot of it has to do with… we live in cities, the technology.

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Sandra Ingerman: is human beings are actually the only species on the planet who is not in communication with everything alive on the planet. Everything in nature is in communication with each other all the time, except for humans.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so,

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Sandra Ingerman: stepping out of that and getting back into, how does nature work? How does nature actually work?

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Sandra Ingerman: There's always a harmony. There's always a balance that nature is always moving towards. And so, as we look at service and how we show up, where is the balance and harmony?

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Sandra Ingerman: In that, so that you are giving, and you are receiving in balance.

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Renee Baribeau: And that receiving is an important part, too. One of my clients lost her home in the Palisades fire.

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Renee Baribeau: And I… I interviewed her for my new book, and I said to her, so.

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Renee Baribeau: what was the lesson? You had to leave a home in 15 minutes.

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Renee Baribeau: And for her, it was learning to receive. She had given so much in her life, so often, that when people were saying, oh, your family can stay here in this home we're not using, it was really hard for her, because she was so in the use to the role of giving.

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Renee Baribeau: That learning to receive is part of the sacred dance for

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Renee Baribeau: For this, that we're talking about. So if you… if you just give and you can't receive, you're going to get depleted as well.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah,

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Sandra Ingerman: I used to study tarot with a cultural anthropologist, Angeles Arian, and she had a saying that she used to use all the time, that giving and receiving is one cycle, so if you're only giving, you're not giving.

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Sandra Ingerman: If you don't know how to receive, then you don't know how to give.

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Renee Baribeau: Right, so if you're really tired, you might want to see how… how good that you're doing at the receiving part.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right, absolutely. So…

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Renee Baribeau: place to look.

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Sandra Ingerman: There's a lot that we talked about in the shovel. We actually planted an amazing amount of seeds about…

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Sandra Ingerman: Service isn't about being the most public person on the planet and getting the most, acknowledgement for that. That's not what service is about. It's the little things that you do every day.

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Sandra Ingerman: about, how it's really important that we show up for our community members right now. This is part of life. This is part of being in nature. When I talked about how all nature communicates with each other.

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Sandra Ingerman: It's because they all help each other. So the communication is about, what do you need right now? Oh, I'm a plant, and through my roots, I can give you this nurturance right now, if that's what you need.

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Sandra Ingerman: So, that communication is so important. Looking at how did you get so drained, what boundaries do you need to set? We really, we really talked about a lot of issues.

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Sandra Ingerman: in one show, that was supposed to be a simple show on service, but service has a lot to it. It's a very deep, deep topic.

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Sandra Ingerman: And because there are so many different ways to show up for ourselves, for others, and to be in service, there's a lot for us to look at and explore.

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Renee Baribeau: Well, simple is never easy.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah.

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Renee Baribeau: Well, people think simple should be simple, but simple is not easy.

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Renee Baribeau: And it's simple.

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Renee Baribeau: And so hopefully you took some of these simple tips, and one couple more I'll give you is follow us over at The Shaman's Cave.

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Renee Baribeau: And communicate with, you know, are you… are you… are you sucking, or are you giving, and are you receiving, or are you, you know, just taking? And look at your own life really honestly this fall, and see if you're being drained, where's your leak?

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Renee Baribeau: And how can you refill up so that you can show up in the world and be of service? Because we need you right now.

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Sandra Ingerman: Absolutely. Thank you, Renee. That was a beautiful closing. Beautiful closing. And so, we hope that we planted some good seeds for you, and from my own heart, I send you many blessings.

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Renee Baribeau: Thank you.