We Are All Getting a Hard Lesson Plan: Shamans Cave

Renee and Sandra teach so many trainings and see so many clients. We all are getting some of the hardest lessons to grow from and learn how to navigate right now.

The spiritual community keeps talking about this time as the time of the great awakening. But awakening takes a tremendous amount of growth and being able to dive deep into one’s Inner World to explore how each of us are all taking part in what is happening on the planet today.

Join Renee Baribeau and Sandra Ingerman as they speak about finding the right tools to feel safe and connected as a way to stand strong during these times.  Visit us at Shamanstv.com

Transcript

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Renee Baribeau: Hello everyone, it's Renee Barabal, the Practical Shaman, and welcome to the Shaman's Cave!

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Sandra Ingerman: Hi everyone, I'm Sandra Ingerman, and welcome to the Shaman's Cave. And today we want to talk about, a topic that I think is important for all of us right now.

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Sandra Ingerman: We really are… I think I said this on another show, even if people write on Facebook about what a good time they're having, traveling and doing other things.

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Sandra Ingerman: What I'm mostly hearing from those same people who are showing these amazing pictures about how much fun they're having is that their life is actually in a mess, in a complete catastrophe at home. Their health isn't good, they're just really trying to…

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Sandra Ingerman: I don't know, maybe it's call in, positivity by showing really positive things on Facebook. I'm not sure what it is, instead of being transparent that their lives are breaking down.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so, I think that what I'm seeing is that we're basically getting the absolute hardest lesson plan right now. We're living on a planet that, has moved into chaos politically and through the climate.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so,

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Sandra Ingerman: Instead of being allowed to go numb, instead of being allowed to go to sleep and just sleepwalk through our lives.

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Sandra Ingerman: during this time, the universe and, the spirits and Source, the Divine Mother, whoever you work with.

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Sandra Ingerman: Are giving us the biggest lesson plan right now to wake us up, to wake us up to the deepest part of ourselves that made that choice to come here at this particular time.

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Sandra Ingerman: And to find the tools that already live inside of us, so that we can move through the narrow path ahead.

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Renee Baribeau: Hmm.

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Renee Baribeau: So true. So many thoughts just came to mind. I… I mentioned in another talk that we just recently had where I got to interview you.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right.

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Renee Baribeau: green room. It's a bonus for my upcoming Shift Network class.

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Renee Baribeau: And I… about a week before that, I had this dream about this guide came to me and said, Renee, you've done your work.

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Renee Baribeau: now it's time to go deeper. And so I've been thinking about that, going deeper. What does that mean? So, I think this whole idea of awakening and this game plan that we've had for the last 30 or 40 years has been about

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Renee Baribeau: creating this, what you just said, oh, if I only have the positive thoughts, the, you know, the energy's gonna follow kind of idea. But I realized when I was writing a Pilgrim's Guide that that was a false facade.

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Renee Baribeau: That was my own false flag that, oh, I'm so awake, I'm happy all the time, and blah blah blah blah blah, and then one major curveball comes, and I was sitting on the floor in tears, and thought, like, well, if I'm so awake and I'm so happy all the time.

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Renee Baribeau: Why does, you know, one curveball knock me off my game?

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Renee Baribeau: And I realized that I had built this false facade about what it was to be awake, and what it was like to be me, and this…

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Renee Baribeau: persona that I wanted to create, and Facebook is perfect for that kind of thing. And so…

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Renee Baribeau: I kind of began to realize that what the windwork offers is it's a tool for orienting. It's a tool for knowing how to get through these, you know, these small hallways that we're in right now, and that being able to go deeper means that you use the tools.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right, yeah.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, I think for me, you know, in every one of my books, in all my classes, I teach certain principles over and over and over again. And, I teach them over and over again, because

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Sandra Ingerman: Until we really integrate them into a body level, they just stay in our mind.

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Sandra Ingerman: And our mind has not been able to come up with any solutions to anything. It's our spirit and soul that knows…

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Sandra Ingerman: how to move forward. So, the principle that I keep repeating over and over again is as above, so below, as within, so without.

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Sandra Ingerman: And that's the oldest esoteric principle that goes with every spiritual tradition. It goes with shamanism, it goes with alchemy, it goes with every spiritual tradition that exists.

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Sandra Ingerman: That our outer world is a reflection of our inner world. And so, what I'm seeing right now is part of the toughest part for a lot of people, not myself. I have other tough parts for myself.

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Sandra Ingerman: But what I'm seeing as one of the toughest parts for people right now is that they don't know how to find safety within.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so they're still turning to the outer world. What political leader, what person in authority, what shaman? What astrologer, what psychic, what workshop can I take, to make myself feel safe?

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Sandra Ingerman: And all of those are tools to help us, inspire us.

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Sandra Ingerman: to find that safety within. It's not gonna come from a shamanic teacher. It's not gonna come from a shaman. It's not gonna come from an outside authority figure. It's not gonna come from, a political, person. It really is gonna be…

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Sandra Ingerman: Can you find your own strength? Can you find the gifts that you actually came in here to do?

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Sandra Ingerman: And for me, when I was teaching, this 5-month course for the SHIFT Network, it was a journey group.

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Sandra Ingerman: The journey that we kept on looking at over and over again was, what role en masse did we take on because other people kind of saw us as this is the role that you're playing in your life's game?

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Sandra Ingerman: And so, as part of the lesson plan right now, people are changing their costumes, they're changing their masks, they're changing their roles.

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Sandra Ingerman: Meaning, if life is a play, if life is all illusion, which is what I believe, and always have believed since I was a kid.

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Sandra Ingerman: what mask… what role do you want to be playing in your life right now? What mask do you want to put on? What costume do you want to put on?

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Sandra Ingerman: So I feel that one of the big lessons that we're getting right now is what is the role we're playing out in our lives that got projected on us by everybody around us.

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Sandra Ingerman: So, we're kind of… we took on a role in a play, but we don't like the role we took on in the play. Somebody else gave us this role. It's not ours.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so, that going within, and really exploring our inner landscape, and really exploring who we are, but not just talking about it, it's not a mental concept, it's about actually doing the work.

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Sandra Ingerman: And until we can find our own strength, until we can find our own agency, until we can find our own sovereignty, I don't see anything changing.

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Renee Baribeau: There's a lot to unpack there, too, until you've been thinking about this subject, the…

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Renee Baribeau: When I used to go to AA, and I haven't been in, like, 20 years, probably.

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Renee Baribeau: when I went into a meeting one time, and some guy threw a fit on the 8 AM meeting about who rearranged the chairs. And I think that's what you're talking about, rearranging the chairs when the messenger is in the front of the room, or in the higher self, and we're worried about what the chairs are looking like. And…

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Renee Baribeau: it was this… this part of… that I did get from going to AA at 7am in the morning when I first got sober was that it was practice.

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Renee Baribeau: Every day I practiced being sober, because I had not practiced it, and so I needed to practice it. And then, when I found, you know, when I found more spiritual tools, like the rattle and the drum.

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Renee Baribeau: One time, I was in Mexico, and I was part of this medicine circle.

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Renee Baribeau: And I went further than I had ever gone in my life.

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Renee Baribeau: And… I had to have a reckoning with myself, wherever I was.

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Renee Baribeau: And I heard the rattle.

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Renee Baribeau: And I thought to myself.

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Renee Baribeau: I remember that very clearly, I was, like, way far away, but I'm there like, oh, I know that rattle. That rattle is gonna show me the way home.

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Renee Baribeau: And in that moment, I knew that I had been given shamanic tools that could keep me tethered, because I hear all the time people, oh, I've spent 6 hours out in outer space, and they're like.

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Renee Baribeau: Yeah, did you have a tethering string, or do you just think it's so much better out there that you want to, you know, wander around in, you know, the ethers, because it's safer there for you than in your body? And so, because I'm the practical shaman, I'm always about, are my practices embodied?

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Renee Baribeau: And that rattle gave me the way to come home. And do you have a practice that shows you the way home, no matter what wind is blowing out there in the world?

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, and Renee, that's such an important point, is using your tools for embodiment, because a lot of people are turning to plant medicine, and a lot of people are turning to shamanism just to escape.

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Sandra Ingerman: If you think of the origins of shamanism, the spirits came to teach humankind how to connect with the land, how to connect with the plants, how to connect with the trees.

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Sandra Ingerman: How to connect with the animals, how to connect to the, the weather spirits, how to connect to the moon, the forces in the sky, how to read what was happening by reading the planets, the stars, the galaxies, the universe.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so, shamanism was created to teach people how to actually be in a body and be able to thrive on this earth.

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Sandra Ingerman: But how people are using shamanism right now is how far can I get out of my body? How far can I get away from the earth? And that's not how shamanism was created.

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Sandra Ingerman: And, of course, we're living in a different world. It's not like we want to use all the shamanic methods from 100,000 years ago.

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Sandra Ingerman: for right now, because we're dealing with different issues. But the big issue that we're dealing with is how many people do you actually meet who's embodied right now?

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Sandra Ingerman: I meet very few people who want to be embodied right now, who that's even a goal for them.

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Sandra Ingerman: And… and I don't know how you live. You know, I don't know how you create a healthy life if you're just choosing to go…

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Sandra Ingerman: Be dissociated all the time, so that you're not feeling what's coming up for you, so that you're running away from what's coming up for you.

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Sandra Ingerman: And the last thing I really want to say about that is, because as you said, it's not that I've been thinking about this a lot, I've been talking about this for 40 years, it's just nobody's been listening to me.

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Sandra Ingerman: And one of the greatest tools that we have is tapping into the younger parts of ourselves, because if you think of what you had to go through in life.

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Sandra Ingerman: If you didn't have sovereignty and agency, you actually, most of us probably would not have survived the abuse we went through.

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Sandra Ingerman: Not just from our families, but from life itself, from having to go through school, from being bullied by…

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Sandra Ingerman: Having to learn how to create social networks, how to create friends, how to operate as a human.

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Sandra Ingerman: We needed an amazing amount of ingenuity and strength as kids to figure out the roadmap for life, because we weren't given it by our parents.

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Sandra Ingerman: And in our families. And so, if you think about how much you do have, and what took you this far, because think about how many people on Earth have died.

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Sandra Ingerman: But you didn't. You made it. You're listening to us.

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Sandra Ingerman: So, what was that strength that was able to bring you to this point? So now you can say, I can use that strength now instead of to dissociate, but to learn the tools to embody.

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Renee Baribeau: Absolutely. And, and to remember, That spirit always has your back.

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Renee Baribeau: Like, when I finally discovered the wind, or finally discovered the power of the wind.

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Renee Baribeau: I used to run around to psychics and run around to healers, and I wanted everybody else to tell me what was next, what am I gonna do, how am I gonna do it, is it gonna work out okay? You know, like, putting all that out there. And finally, after I really understood that every time I had a question.

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Renee Baribeau: the wind would show me the answer. And, you know, that's my, you know, that's where I'm connected, but that it would come either as a, you know, feather across my path, or, you know, something would fall right in front of me, or that I'd pull an oracle card that was just perfect. It was like…

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Renee Baribeau: How long is it gonna take me to understand that Spirit has always had my back.

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Renee Baribeau: Always. And I just need reassurance after reassurance after reassurance, but imagine if you started out your day plan with the idea that

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Renee Baribeau: You're divinely… protected, the day's gonna be orchestrated as it should, and

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Renee Baribeau: At the end of the day, you can say thank you.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, it's a brilliant point. I've actually… I actually just talked to Woods, my husband, about that, either this morning or yesterday.

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Sandra Ingerman: We live in Santa Fe, and Santa Fe, we're having the hottest, temperatures on record. We had the hottest winter on record. I know Colorado did also.

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Sandra Ingerman: And we're in a really bad drought with really high winds, like,

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Sandra Ingerman: you know, Renee and I pre-record, but, tomorrow, after our pre-recording.

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Sandra Ingerman: The electric company has already let everybody know in Santa Fe that we're probably all gonna lose power tomorrow, because they'll be shutting it off because of how high the winds are gonna be, and they're trying to stop, avoid, all the fire danger that could happen.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so, when you look at the picture of Santa Fe, and when you look at the picture of New Mexico and the West Coast, which isn't as dry as it could be, bone dry right now.

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Sandra Ingerman: And we're looking at the possibility of a really good rain this summer, but we have the whole spring to get through.

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Sandra Ingerman: What I said to Woods is, I work so much with the spirit of Santa Fe, you know, before ISIS was my teacher, in shamanism, the spirit of Santa Fe was my teacher. And I trust her, and she's a living being, and Santa Fe is hers. It's hers. It's not mine.

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Sandra Ingerman: I don't own Santa Fe. The Santa Fe Mountain is Santa Fe, and we all know that mountains create their own weather.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so, whatever weather Santa Fe is choosing to, to create, I have to trust that.

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Sandra Ingerman: I have to trust that. It's… this is her world. It's… and I just happen to be in it. I'm just an ant crawling on her body, and it's her body. She's making choices about what she wants to do.

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Sandra Ingerman: And it's not… it's not for me to try and change her choice. So, there's a part of us that I just feel it's not giving up.

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Sandra Ingerman: But it's surrendering to forces of nature, whether it's our spirits, whether it's the omens, whether it's the spirit of the place where we live, whether it's the ancestors of the land where we live.

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Sandra Ingerman: there's already an energy in place that we just have to accept. We have to accept that things are changing. And again, we have to remember the strength that we have inside of us.

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Sandra Ingerman: That got us through our life so far, and it will get us through the upcoming challenges also.

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Renee Baribeau: I don't know if there's much more to say about that, but…

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Renee Baribeau: I think that you just summed it up. We're all little ants running around on the Earth, maybe some of us are bees, the ones who like to fly more, and…

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Renee Baribeau: We're… we're playing… we're playing our part, and some of us are walking into that role more fully, and even…

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Renee Baribeau: I guess I would like to say that even the politics, whether we agree with them or not, are playing into the nature story so perfectly.

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Renee Baribeau: they… you know, it's… that's possibly determined, too, that here we are, and here we are again. And so…

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Renee Baribeau: there's a lot to think about on this subject. We'd love to hear your opinion about your, you know, your day plan, and how is it going, and are you able to pivot? Do you have the tools? And if you don't have the tools.

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Renee Baribeau: Both Sandra and I are going to be teaching courses this spring. Hers, she can tell you about, but mine is a wind work, a 7-week wind work program where you learn tools to orient. Because, think about it, the wind does not force.

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Renee Baribeau: the wind moves. And when you can be, you know, when you can become more like the wind and move through your life.

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Renee Baribeau: Every day will go just a little bit smoother.

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Sandra Ingerman: I agree with that, yeah. And for myself, I taught a 5-month journey group, and it was all about, finding portals into other dimensions, which I'm still actually working on, and I'm co-writing a book on the same exact subject.

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Sandra Ingerman: Because I believe the ancient ones, we have so many examples of the ancient ones being able to find different portals. They're still here on Earth, but they're living in a different dimension of reality that's very different from what we're living right now.

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Sandra Ingerman: So this is my current fascination. I already taught on it, and now co-writing a book on it. And so, the natural flow for me in an 8-week journey group that's coming up, actually the same time Renee is teaching her group, which is…

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Renee Baribeau: I go to hers in the morning, and mine in the evening.

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Sandra Ingerman: Absolutely insane that this is the way things were scheduled.

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Sandra Ingerman: For me, it's… this… this journey group is not so much about finding portals, because I already taught that. For me, it's…

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Sandra Ingerman: finding how to find safety in our inner world. So it's all a group about, journeying and exploring, the tools and strengths that we have in our inner world.

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Renee Baribeau: And I would just like to add to this, I get messages on Facebook, hey, could you talk about this, or could you talk about that? And sometimes I say, no, take my class, or take Sounder's class. We're very generous with what we share here.

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Renee Baribeau: But it's not our systems. And if you really want to know about our systems, and how we teach, and, you know, what we're really modeling to our students, it requires

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Renee Baribeau: that commitment, that signing up. You know, what… remember your spirit guides used to tell you, oh, if people wanted a healing, they needed to make the sacrifice, they needed to make the journey. Well, sacrifice a few cups of coffee, you know, whatever else you need to sacrifice.

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Renee Baribeau: But that's when the magic happens.

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Renee Baribeau: When you make the sacrifice, show up for the 8-week course or the 7-week course, and really go deeper.

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Renee Baribeau: That's where the miracles live.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, I think too many people are looking for, really deep, esoteric wisdom on Facebook, and you can't get it off of social media, you just can't, because.

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Renee Baribeau: and…

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Sandra Ingerman: eating your mind. You're not, you're, you're not, you're not waking up your soul.

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Sandra Ingerman: You're waking up your mind, and our minds are what are getting us into trouble right now, and it's our spirit and soul that knows the way. And so, the more that you can work with people like Renee and myself and others out there who are teaching these kinds of tools.

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Sandra Ingerman: The more you start to learn how everything that you need is already within you, and that we're always, we always have forces of nature that are helping us navigate life.

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Sandra Ingerman: And I think, I think that that's a really good thing to end on, that every one of us, there's not one of us that owns more tools. We all have the same tools to look at how to navigate our lives.

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Sandra Ingerman: And that means you're gonna have to dive in deep to find your own inner compass. Whether it's working with the wind, or whether it's working with another spirit, you're gonna have to find your own inner compass, and that's how you get through.

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Renee Baribeau: And on that, I'd like to thank you for taking part in the Shaman's Cave. Oh, and one last thing.

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Renee Baribeau: Thank you to all the people who've been donating lately. I guess we never ask enough, Sandra, at the beginning to say, hey, this is by donation. People said, oh, I never thought to donate. And then we got some donations, so you can always donate to keep the show going, you know, there's production costs, and we'll see you soon.