Cutting Cords: Shamans Cave

Renee and Sandra felt this topic is so important for all of us as it is so important to stay grounded, centered, and fully in our body during the challenging times we are facing. It is important to understand that when others are suffering on any level, they might throw a cord into you or try to steal your soul. This is a perceived way of using others' strength to try and feel stronger and protected.

This never works out for anyone. As you can’t use another’s energy for yourself.

Join Renee Baribeau  and Sandra Ingerman as they take up the powerful topic of cutting cords and avoiding having your soul stolen by others.  Visit us at Shamanstv.com

Transcript

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Sandra Ingerman: Hi everyone, I'm Sandra Ingerman, and welcome to the Shaman's Cave.

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Renee Baribeau: And I'm Renee Barabeau, and welcome to the Shaman's Cave. Today, we have a very important topic.

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Renee Baribeau: And I'm sure we both have lots to say about it, but about cutting cords. And I'm going to share an experience that I had that was really eye-opening for me about just how powerful cords can be.

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Renee Baribeau: One time, I was working with a client for several years who was dying.

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Renee Baribeau: And she was really young, and felt she was way too young to die, and yet…

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Renee Baribeau: I did a lot of work with her around this, but a few days before she passed, all of a sudden, I realized that there was this thick cord coming to me from her.

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Renee Baribeau: And I could also see that there was a thick cord coming from her to another person who she had grown close to over these years, another healer, because she had a plethora of healers that she corded herself to.

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Renee Baribeau: And I had to take out my strongest sword, and my visual tools, and cut the cord, solder it.

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Renee Baribeau: and say, Enough!

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Renee Baribeau: It's not my time to go. It's your time to go and stop it.

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Renee Baribeau: And I really had to cut that cord completely, And… It ended…

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Renee Baribeau: it ended in a lot of ways that I'm not… I don't have time to go into today, but…

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Renee Baribeau: Chords are real.

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Renee Baribeau: And this is what our show is about today.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, so when you were talking, I do use the word cutting cords a lot, and there are different aspects of it that we're going to talk about today.

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Sandra Ingerman: But in the example that you just gave, the languaging that I use around that is, when people throw a cord at you and are trying to take your life force, they're actually stealing your soul.

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Renee Baribeau: Huh.

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Sandra Ingerman: And soul stealing is a huge issue. It's something that gets passed down from generation to generation, and every time you can cut a cord, or every time you say, no, you cannot have my soul, you don't have to scream it at somebody, but…

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Sandra Ingerman: I'll sit in a restaurant when I kind of feel somebody throwing a cord at me, and I'll just be sitting and smiling and carrying on my conversation, but in my head, I am screaming at the top of my lungs, no, you cannot have my soul.

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Renee Baribeau: I love that.

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Sandra Ingerman: We're really trained in that, you know, soul stealing, or throwing a cord into somebody. People do it all the time. Again, we learned it in our family systems, so don't feel so guilty about it, because everybody on the planet does it, because we're just not educated to…

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Sandra Ingerman: the energy of cords and the energy of soul-stealing. But you see it with, psychotherapists, psychologists, doctors, lawyers,

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Sandra Ingerman: where they're so exhausted because their clients, or according to them, are taking a part of their soul. You know, they're drawing from their strength. They're not doing it,

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Sandra Ingerman: On a conscious level, or trying to be malevolent, it's that desperation of, oh my god, it looks like you have so much passion, it looks like you have so much energy.

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Sandra Ingerman: If I could just have some of that, I'll be better.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so, a lot of courting comes from that, and then courting also comes from, I do not want to break a connection with you, so I'm gonna steal a piece of your soul to keep connected.

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Sandra Ingerman: or in other terms of the show that we're using right now, I'm gonna throw a cord into you to keep us connected.

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Sandra Ingerman: And I've worked with so many clients, because, you know, I wrote about this in my first book, Soul Retrieval, Soul Stealing is huge, in our culture. Working with courts is so huge in our culture.

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Sandra Ingerman: And we do it because we think other people have more energy than us, we do it out of jealousy. Every time you're jealous of another person.

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Sandra Ingerman: you actually threw a cord into them. You actually stole a part of their soul, just because you were jealous. You created an unusual connection with this person.

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Sandra Ingerman: And they can't break it. They can.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so, we're also seeing it right now. I know I'm seeing it a lot in my life, about how people are afraid that I'm gonna leave the planet, and so they're throwing cords into me to stay here.

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Sandra Ingerman: And that's not right, either. I'm not saying…

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Renee Baribeau: That's not fair.

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Sandra Ingerman: I'm not sick.

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Sandra Ingerman: I'm not saying I'm leaving, but don't tie me to a tether and force me to stay here after…

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Renee Baribeau: I need you here!

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Sandra Ingerman: when it's my time.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so, the whole topic of chords, of how we energetically try to connect with people because we feel we need something from them.

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Sandra Ingerman: Or because we want to keep a connection with them and refuse to break that connection, that creates illness for everyone.

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Renee Baribeau: What about the cords we create where we need… that we create the need that somebody else needs us?

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Renee Baribeau: You know, like, oh, I… you can't do this, I have to do it for you, which creates another kind of a chord, where, you know, you self-empower yourself to think that

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Renee Baribeau: you know, without you, the world's not gonna spin. And I think, so we can also throw out cords unintentionally.

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Renee Baribeau: Just because of our codependence and our need to be needed.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right, yeah, yeah, and you see that… we see that a lot, we see that a lot in the healing world. I actually see it a lot in the medical world.

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Sandra Ingerman: I have this one thing that nobody else knows can help you, but I can help you. And 99.9% of the time, they… it doesn't help you, but you bought into it because, again, there was some authority figure who.

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Sandra Ingerman: Did you to feel like you needed them.

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Renee Baribeau: Yeah, so it's kind of best to keep your cords to the earth and to your, you know, your spirit, you know, that I call it in my work, the spin axis, you know, that you… that you're connected, like a Taurus, to your own energy first, and

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Renee Baribeau: there's this new exercise in the field guide that I'm creating about really looking to see where those cords are going out and, you know.

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Renee Baribeau: Are they… like, a mother might want to be corded to an infant, because they are. 9 months in, but what is the first thing the doctor does when the baby comes out is it cuts the cord.

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Renee Baribeau: And so, you know, then I'm sure mothers, and I don't know, I have never been a mother.

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Renee Baribeau: Grows a new cord.

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Sandra Ingerman: Like…

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Renee Baribeau: that lasts, you know, probably the energetic chord that lasts the lifetime, and… and beyond. So some… it's not to say that all chords are bad, it's just to know where you're corded.

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Renee Baribeau: And… You know, is it mutually beneficial? And is it just sucking the life out of you?

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, for me, soul stealing or throwing cords into a person, forces you to have a relationship.

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Sandra Ingerman: With them. And so, in my soul retrieval workshops and in my soul retrieval work, working with soul stealing and chords is one of the biggest parts of the work, because, again, we all do it, we all give our energy away, or we try to take it from other people.

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Sandra Ingerman: Which forces a connection.

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Sandra Ingerman: And in my workshops, I… in my soul retrieval workshops, I have an exercise where people actually have to go out on the land and work with a practitioner.

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Sandra Ingerman: To return any pieces of soul that they've stolen from other people. First, they journey on it, and the spirits always,

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Sandra Ingerman: Always are very humorous about this, because people take it so seriously, they start to…

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Sandra Ingerman: That the spirits just make jokes. You have so many souls out there, we can't even give you a ceremony, you know? I mean, they just try to make us laugh at ourselves, because we do take ourselves too seriously sometimes.

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Sandra Ingerman: But it's absolutely amazing to me. I can say in over 30 years of teaching 5-day soul retrieval workshops, I was doing weekend workshops before.

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Sandra Ingerman: In over 30 years of doing 5-day soul retrieval workshops around the world, after we do that exercise, there's always one person in the class, always.

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Sandra Ingerman: Who, all of a sudden gets a call from a daughter or son who has not talked to them in 10, 15, 20 years.

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Sandra Ingerman: The second they release their soul, So, why does that happen?

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Sandra Ingerman: It's because when you're holding on with a cord, or trying to take somebody's soul, you've chained them to you.

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Sandra Ingerman: And some people, a lot of children, feel their parents won't give them the freedom to have their life. They feel that cord in them.

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Sandra Ingerman: you know, trying to keep them safe, trying to control them, trying to watch out for them. And the kids, what they do is they move away from their parents and stop talking to them. And the second that cord is released, that second that soul is released from

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Sandra Ingerman: The person who took it.

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Sandra Ingerman: All of a sudden, the son or daughter says, wow, I haven't talked to my mother in 15 years.

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Sandra Ingerman: following her, and this has happened in every single one of my workshops. So, I think that says a lot.

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Renee Baribeau: Absolutely, and to, you know, like… like we said, it's… it doesn't make you a sorcerer, doesn't make you a bad person, it just makes you human, although…

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Renee Baribeau: in some of the teaching that I did, and I did a, you know, a talk last year… week, or last month, because, again, we said this is pre-recorded, about, keeping the fire without burning down the village.

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Renee Baribeau: There was some unethical practices that many of us had to go through where

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Renee Baribeau: I don't know if it was because of the amount of money we were paying, or the power, but that teachers actually courted students.

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Renee Baribeau: One time I was in Peru, and this… this Alto Maseoque went through all of our mesas, our mastanas with all of our rocks, looked at

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Renee Baribeau: My pile of kooyas, that they called them, picked one up and tossed it in the river.

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Renee Baribeau: And…

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Renee Baribeau: it was some kind of a lineage stone that was connecting me to a lineage, but it wasn't the lineage that the Paco felt was appropriate for me in Peru, and

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Renee Baribeau: toss that stone right away. And so, I always wondered about what was that lineage stone, courting us, too.

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Renee Baribeau: And… you know, eventually I disassembled that whole…

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Renee Baribeau: stone, put them in various gardens, but that…

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Renee Baribeau: As teachers, we have to be really careful about how we gather and keep our students, and…

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Renee Baribeau: You know, students come and students go, and the more freely we can understand that… some stay.

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Renee Baribeau: But that it's not our job to

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Renee Baribeau: Send out a noose and tie them around the neck.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right, yeah, yeah. No, you definitely see teachers doing that, and you do see teachers moving into sorcery.

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Sandra Ingerman: You know, we all practice sorcery in our lives, whether we know it or not. And again, it's not feeling guilty about it, it's how we were trained to live in this world, how we were trained to survive.

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Sandra Ingerman: We just need to look at new ways, and that, for me, is the power of journeying, where we can actually speak to a helping spirit and say.

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Sandra Ingerman: you know, I'm so in the game of life, I just don't have a perspective on my behavior and what's happening, and why my relationships with my students are so crazy, why my relationships.

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Sandra Ingerman: is so crazy, my… why my relationships with my children are so crazy, and when people actually are willing to open up and let the spirits see what's going on for them, the spirits can show you, oh, you've courted to this person.

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Sandra Ingerman: And they're reacting to that cord. If you just would cut it and give them their freedom, they will come back into your life.

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Sandra Ingerman: If you give your students their autonomy.

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Sandra Ingerman: They will hang out there with you, to learn what you have to share, instead of feeling that they're tied to you like a robe.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so, the beauty of shamanic journeying, and the beauty of working with the spirits, is how they are looking from a different perspective on the human game of life.

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Sandra Ingerman: And they can show you where you're misstepping. And not from a place of guilt, but from a place of, if you would make this change.

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Sandra Ingerman: your life will get better, and that other person will move closer to you instead of asking you to get out of their life. They never want to talk to you again.

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Sandra Ingerman: Oftentimes, when people say that, because they're feeling some kind of unusual connection that they don't want. It's not clean between the two of you. So when we talk about cutting cords, we're talking about cleaning up.

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Sandra Ingerman: our relationship with people so that we're energetically clean. I have my own energy walking into this relationship. This person has their own energy walking into their relationship.

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Sandra Ingerman: If we seem to like each other, great. We form a bond. We don't form a chord, we form a friendship.

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Sandra Ingerman: If we find that we don't like each other, we walk away and look for other friends, you know? So it's all about how clean are you operating on an energetic level.

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Renee Baribeau: Yeah, that's only one final thing that I'd like to say. I think we're courting to misinformation as well, that we're courting to… I have to have a side, I have to pick a… I have to pick a…

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Renee Baribeau: This is also chaotic. So, we're courting to the chaos and trying to organize it by pulling the part that agrees with us

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Renee Baribeau: to our side, and I think that if we could become a little bit more neutral in

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Renee Baribeau: that, and what's being reflected back through us through the news sources and through social media and stuff like that, that if we could cut some of those cords, I think we'd get a lot cleaner information for ourselves.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, and I think people would move out of a fair state.

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Renee Baribeau: Hmm.

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Sandra Ingerman: those cords create a fear state. Am I going to get into trouble because I'm courted to this?

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Sandra Ingerman: Am I gonna get caught? Am I gonna be seen? You know, when you're throwing cords everywhere, you're throwing your energy out into the world. And I think that's why some people don't feel safe.

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Sandra Ingerman: But, again, when you… when you own your own agency, when you find your own sovereignty, you can take a neutral, stance with everything, and you can, take the time to really meditate, do a vision quest, do,

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Sandra Ingerman: a wind walk.

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Sandra Ingerman: to really come to a place of, how do I feel about this right now?

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Sandra Ingerman: Not trying to feel safe, so sending a cord somewhere to feel safe, but…

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Sandra Ingerman: What am I feeling right now, at this moment, as an individual, not as part of the collective, but as an individual?

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Renee Baribeau: And both Sondra and I are gonna be teaching in May.

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Renee Baribeau: And if you feel called to really go deeper and learn about, you know, your course, and we probably teach it very differently, I'm teaching a 7-week wind work course through the Shift Network, and

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Renee Baribeau: And these are the things we're gonna look at. We're gonna look at our compass and all the directions and see

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Renee Baribeau: you know, where our energy's going and where our energy's flowing, and I invite you to join me to go deeper, and Sandra, you want to tell them about your course?

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Sandra Ingerman: Sure, but I just want to let everybody know that I'm definitely signing up for Renee's course, because Renee has a very unique way of communicating and using the wisdom that she's learned throughout her life, and it's unique.

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Sandra Ingerman: There's nobody out there who's teaching like Renee. So, I am signing up for Renee's course, just so everybody knows. I'm not in a competition. And mine is… it's not a course, it's a journey group.

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Sandra Ingerman: So, it's for people who already journey. It's not for people who don't know how to journey. We're starting with journeys, there's no introduction, you actually have to be an experienced journeyer.

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Sandra Ingerman: And we're just gonna look at, our energy now in the world, and what's happening in the world, and where are we getting caught up in fear, and where are we giving our power away right now.

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Sandra Ingerman: And how do we find those safe places inside of us and move from our own inner compass instead of somebody else's?

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Renee Baribeau: Well, on that, you know where to find us and all of the parts.

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Renee Baribeau: the… oh, one thing about that. My friend took the Journey course with you, and it was life-changing for her. She's still working with those things that she got in the first… the first round of it, so I highly recommend the Journey course, too.

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Renee Baribeau: But what I want to say is that also, if you have experiences with cord cutting and want to share that, we're really loving, over at the Shaman's Cave, people sharing their experiences. It's only taken us many years to get there, and people are now sharing their experiences.

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Renee Baribeau: And we respond when you share.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, it's really beautiful to, listen to people speak from their hearts, not just, post quotes from other people, but speak from their hearts about what's going on.

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Renee Baribeau: Hmm.

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Sandra Ingerman: Because that's what creates the connection. And that's what we're all seeking right now, is strong, beautiful.

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Sandra Ingerman: Connections that make us feel that we're… we are part of a dimension of reality that is walking together to wake up and look at how we can create a better life for ourselves and all of life in the sacred web of life.

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Renee Baribeau: Join us over there, go to shamanstv.com, and really, I think this wisdom is designed to share.

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Renee Baribeau: So, if everyone could just take and share this this week with somebody who they think is courted or needs some information, and share one of our shows with them, you know, Ed, that's how the wisdom grows.

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Sandra Ingerman: That's right. Sounds great. Well, thank you, everyone. Thank you for listening. Thank you for all your love. Thank you for everything that you're sharing on the Shaman's Cave, and thank you for showing up.