Ancestors Paving the Way for Descendants: Shamans Cave

One of Sandra’s students wrote a powerful article on how we are viewing our responsibility to leave a healthy world for our descendants. In all shamanic cultures people worked to create a good world for the next 7 generations. We see it written and taught everywhere as shamanic teachings are passed down.

Join Renee  Baribeau and Sandra Ingerman  for this thought-provoking show to reflect on our current behavior and looking at how we are taking actions right now to guarantee the survival of the next 7 generations.  Shamanstv.com

Transcript

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Renee Baribeau: Hello everyone, it's Renee Barabeau, the Practical Shaman. Welcome to the Shaman's Cave!

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Sandra Ingerman: Hi everyone, I'm Sandra Ingerman, and welcome to the Shaman's Cave.

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Sandra Ingerman: So, I've been on a real run of teaching. I've been teaching my teacher training, and I had the honor and blessing to have some students stay… come in early and stay later.

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Sandra Ingerman: So, I've been yakking away and chatting away to a lot of my students who are teaching shamanism or working with clients.

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Sandra Ingerman: And I had a really interesting conversation with one of my students, whose name is Mary Newstrom. She's on my shamanic teacher's website, and she's a brilliant teacher in Minnesota. And she was asked by some magazine, it was a local magazine, to write an article.

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Sandra Ingerman: And Mary decided to write an article on the future is watching, becoming a good ancestor. And the publication turned down Mary's article.

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Sandra Ingerman: And I thought the points that she was bringing up were really important, so I asked her permission, was it okay for me to share, this topic on the Shaman's Cave? Because…

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Sandra Ingerman: you know, I didn't want to take it away from her if she wanted to be public about it, and she has her own podcast. And she said, of course, go ahead and talk about it. And so, it really actually brought up a lot for me.

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Sandra Ingerman: Because what Mary is trying to share with people is,

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Sandra Ingerman: What are we doing today to be a good ancestor for the coming descendants?

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Sandra Ingerman: And… and it brought up a lot for me. It brought up a lot for me of…

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Sandra Ingerman: because I haven't been feeling that great, and because of my age, and because of my motility, and all of that, I don't always… I'm not as responsible as I used to be around certain things.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so, it really made me question what… how I'm contributing to the earth that the descendants get to,

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Sandra Ingerman: have to live because of what we did as ancestors. And so…

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Sandra Ingerman: It was a really good point of reflection for me to really go in, because

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Sandra Ingerman: If you've been studying shamanism for even a little bit amount of time, then you know that the whole core of shamanism is how do we take care of the next seven generations of descendants?

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Sandra Ingerman: It's not about how do we take care of ourselves, it's how do we take care of the next seven generations.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so, it's time for us to really look at that.

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Sandra Ingerman: really look at that for ourselves. People are starting to, see that, hmm, maybe it doesn't matter what I do, because look at where the world is right now.

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Sandra Ingerman: So, are people starting to lose focus and saying, well, it doesn't matter, everything's crumbling, so it doesn't matter. But we have to be… we have to be responsible for the rest of life. It's… we're not just here for ourselves.

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Sandra Ingerman: We're part of a community, and and I'm gonna say this now, and I'm gonna say this in another show, is that in the real ancient times, everything was about oneness and unity.

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Sandra Ingerman: And that's crumbling in the world that we're living in right now, and what does that mean for our descendants?

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Sandra Ingerman: Whether you have children or not, there's gonna be people living on the planet.

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Renee Baribeau: Absolutely.

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Renee Baribeau: One thing the wind taught me was that we all breathe the same wind.

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Renee Baribeau: And so, this wind has been traveling… the same wind has been traveling around the planet for, you know, 4.5 billion years. And so, what we… what we breathe in and what we breathe out is…

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Renee Baribeau: The world that we're creating, and it…

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Renee Baribeau: lately, my thinking has been… I don't know why I've been thinking back to elementary school when, you know, I think

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Renee Baribeau: Kennedy was shot. I think that was the situation. I went home and told my mother, Abraham Lincoln got killed. I mean, I wasn't in awareness to the event, per se, but I was in awareness to the fact that something major had happened, and I've been lately thinking about, like, if

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Renee Baribeau: Our next generations are going to be inheriting the nervous system, the economic system, the spiritual beliefs.

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Renee Baribeau: When they're sitting in elementary school, you know, watching

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Renee Baribeau: A show on what the leaders in this world are doing

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Renee Baribeau: I think, like, wow, what are they going to be handing to their kids and their grandchildren and their great-nieces and great-nephews in the coming days? And beyond the conditions of the rivers or the families? But all of this is…

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Renee Baribeau: This belief that it's okay that we can have this relationship with authority, or the world that has no…

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Renee Baribeau: That it has no… meaning anymore.

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Renee Baribeau: And it's been really a bothering thing for me that… that, you know, that this is what my grandniece is getting.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right, yeah, yeah.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, I was reading… I was reading something on Nextdoor. I like to read things, I like to read the controversies, I like to read the good things. I… I just like to see the patterns and what people are thinking about.

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Sandra Ingerman: And I read a really interesting, thing on Nextdoor, where a lady was talking about, being at a coffee shop, and there were two young women in the coffee shop, and she said.

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Sandra Ingerman: The whole conversation, they sat there for over an hour complaining, but she said it wasn't complaining. And it wasn't complaining. She said what they were talking about was what happens if I can't find a job.

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Sandra Ingerman: What happens if I can't rent an apartment?

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Sandra Ingerman: What happens if, there's no food?

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Sandra Ingerman: These are things that young people are talking about now. And, you know, Ram Dass's favorite line is, we're all walking… we're all working each other home. How are we walking the younger people home?

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Sandra Ingerman: I know that many people listening are the younger people who are wondering if they're gonna have a job, if they're gonna have food, if they're gonna have shelter.

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Sandra Ingerman: And a lot of people who are listening to the Shaman's Cave have kids, and they have grandkids, and they really care about their future.

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Sandra Ingerman: And there are a lot of single people, who chose, or married people who chose not to have, children. And it doesn't matter what decision you made, it's… if you look at the world as it is right at this moment.

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Sandra Ingerman: It seems that most people are more involved with what's happening to me.

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Renee Baribeau: Right?

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Sandra Ingerman: Me, me, me, me, me. And when you start talking about the shamanic principle of living a life that makes a good life for the next seven generations.

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Sandra Ingerman: I think it's time for us to…

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Sandra Ingerman: Excuse me. I think it's time for us to take a moment and to drop in and say, how am I living my life that's going to make it better for the next seven generations?

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Sandra Ingerman: And if I'm not, what are some changes that… changes in my mind?

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Sandra Ingerman: changes in how I act in the world, changes how I act environmentally to our… act responsibly to our environment. We just can't think about ourselves at this point. We have to think about what we're leaving.

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Renee Baribeau: Yeah, I think a good question is, are we building a world that our descendants are going to have to recover from?

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Renee Baribeau: You know, are we… are we laying a path forward that is gonna create more trauma, not less trauma? I mean, we see now the effects of the trauma from, you know, some of the things that went before us with some of the wars, and, you know, some… how people have come back from war.

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Renee Baribeau: And now we've gotten to ourself where we're so smart, and we have such good technology, and we can get good answers.

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Renee Baribeau: But I don't know that we're using them in a good way. You know, one of the ways that I talk about, that I show up, is that I'm the board president of our HOA because we own a water utility.

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Renee Baribeau: And early on in, I realized, well, you know, somebody could sell this water utility off to Cascadia.

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Renee Baribeau: Who then can take our water and use it however they see fit.

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Renee Baribeau: or do I go the extra mile, show up once a month, every Thursday, you know, for 3 hours on a board meeting to make sure that we make good choices that, you know, the land and the water is going to serve the people? To me, that's very shamanic. It might sound like

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Renee Baribeau: it might sound like, oh, you're being a board member. No, it's very shamanic that I care that there's gonna be water in the community for the children and the children's children.

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Sandra Ingerman: Exactly, and that's the point that I'm trying to make, and I think it's something…

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Sandra Ingerman: That we all need to sit with, and we all need to reflect on, is how much are we saying now? How much are we sitting in our houses, in our lives, and going, oh, this action doesn't matter anymore, because the world is already toast?

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Sandra Ingerman: So it doesn't matter what I do anymore, because it's not going to be good for me anymore, so what does it matter? And so, how do we step aside from, yeah, things are not looking so good, but it's not all about me?

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Sandra Ingerman: I'm here to also be part of a community that looks at how do we create health for the people here now, but also how do we pass down something for the following generations?

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Renee Baribeau: Absolutely, and to look that even… even your small acts matter.

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Renee Baribeau: You know, like, whether it's planting a tree.

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Renee Baribeau: Or, you know, people who are the story keepers. You know, I love being involved with the wind, and I've learned all of the wind myths, and all the stories, and discovering new stories. It's like, are we keeping the stories alive?

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Renee Baribeau: I know, Sandra, you keep songs alive. Are we… are we keeping the circle singing?

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Renee Baribeau: You know, what do you do, like, in a little way.

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Renee Baribeau: like, I don't want you to move to my island, because I'd like to keep it this nice and small, but we have farmers who are planting not enough food for, you know, to fill up the grocery stores, but to feed, you know, this block of 200 homes, and then other ones feeding another block of 100 homes.

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Renee Baribeau: And, to me, that makes… that makes all the difference in the world. That makes me feel like, wow, I may not be growing the tomatoes out in my yard, but I know someone 6 houses up is. And I… I think that…

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Renee Baribeau: those are the acts. I just remember years and years ago, I think the first time I ever saw you, Sandra, was at the IONS conference, and I picked up,

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Renee Baribeau: Bob Thurman, and he said, we're going to need more farmers. And I remember that, and I'm seeing that happen in the community where I live. And is it happening in your community? And if it is happening in your community, are you supporting it?

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Renee Baribeau: Yes, it might cost a dollar more, but are you supporting these people who are growing your food.

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Renee Baribeau: or not.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, and I think that's really important, Renee. I think the point that you're bringing up is really important, and I think that people have been, helping their communities. I wrote my first… my second book, Welcome Home, was…

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Sandra Ingerman: Published in 1993, and I talked about all the rooftop communities that

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Sandra Ingerman: in, in areas where people were so poor, they were growing their own food on rooftops to make sure that the whole community had food. That was back in 1993. So this has been going on for a really long time, but are we teaching our children

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Sandra Ingerman: how to grow food to take care of the community, so that we're… because again, the question is… the question I would like to ask people to reflect on is, are you just doing things for yourself right now?

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Sandra Ingerman: Or are you passing that knowledge on to the next generations so that they're educated for,

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Sandra Ingerman: Instead of just being left after this generation goes of, what do we do? We learned how to use AI, we learned how to use our iPhones, but we don't know how to survive.

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Sandra Ingerman: So, are we passing on that knowledge? Are we passing on knowledge to the future generations on how they can make a better life for themselves, and how they can make a better life for their communities?

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Sandra Ingerman: And then that translates to their next generation, so we're always looking, again, in shamanism, we're looking at the next 7 generations.

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Sandra Ingerman: Not just ourselves, not just our children, but the next seven generations. So what are we teaching? Are we passing down the songs? Are we passing down the stories?

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Sandra Ingerman: Are we passing down? How do you plant seeds and, grow food? You know, we live in a technological world, and so many people live in cities, and this knowledge is not being talked about.

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Renee Baribeau: Last week, I saw…

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Renee Baribeau: on Facebook that the Girl Scout camp that was so nourishing for me, and taught me how to lash the latrine, and cook in the open air. You know, there was hundreds of volunteers that are… who were there working for the weekend to refurbish up the camp for the… for the kids, and I thought, like.

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Renee Baribeau: it made me smile from the inside. I'm far away, or I probably would go there too, and that they're…

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Renee Baribeau: are these pockets of hope? And instead of, like, you know, flipping through the negative news, maybe start to look at where's a pocket of hope that I can add my

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Renee Baribeau: like to, my like to, my sharing it, like, so instead of, like, getting so caught up, which we so easily can do, and the things that,

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Renee Baribeau: We're… because even when we get caught up in those, we're unconsciously giving it our attention.

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Renee Baribeau: And so, we have to bring that unconscious to the conscious and say, yes, that's not where I'm going to choose to put my energy one more day.

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Renee Baribeau: And instead, I'm only going to share the good news. I'm going to enforce… reinforce these good things so that, you know, so that the next group of children will have some hope.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, I read a Facebook post, it was a couple of weeks ago, and it was from somebody I actually really respect, but I almost unfriended this person just because of the post that I was reading.

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Sandra Ingerman: And the whole post was curse words about what we've done.

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Sandra Ingerman: Period.

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Sandra Ingerman: no… If we would change, if we would take this up.

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Sandra Ingerman: It was just curse words about what we've done.

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Sandra Ingerman: And I thought, wow, that's the most unhelpful post I've ever read. We all know what we've done.

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Sandra Ingerman: So, everything looks unfixable right now. Everything looks overwhelming right now.

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Sandra Ingerman: Unless you stay inside yourself, unless you stay inside your own inner world, unless you stay inside your own spirit, because your own spirit doesn't care what's happening in the world.

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Sandra Ingerman: Your spirit just knows how to move forward. Your spirit just knows how to live the life that was your destiny to live. And so,

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Sandra Ingerman: Can we work with our own spirit?

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Sandra Ingerman: who, and the spiritual methods that we've learned to not only to look at what is one small thing instead of, well, the world is too overwhelming. Yes, it's too overwhelming. It's not gonna be…

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Sandra Ingerman: one person that changes the world. It's like, we did a show on, where we talked about, making… changing one person's life at a time.

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Sandra Ingerman: Where I talked about the Polish woman, Daris, who, saved 2,500 children from being killed in a concentration camp.

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Sandra Ingerman: By smuggling two children out at a time. So, I think where people get stuck is… I think we get stuck in the grandiosity of how… how big the challenges are.

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Sandra Ingerman: Instead of looking at what are the really simple things we can do, like teaching my son or daughter or my grandchild how to plant seeds.

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Sandra Ingerman: That's a really easy thing to do. And then they go to their friends, and they teach them how to plant seeds. And then they grow up, and they teach their kids how to plant seeds.

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Sandra Ingerman: So, that's kind of where I'm going, is what are those small actions? Teaching your child a shamanic song, and now I have kids who are adults.

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Sandra Ingerman: Telling me how much those songs mean to them as adults now, when they're teaching them to their kids.

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Sandra Ingerman: So, everything is about what… it's not just about the present moment, and what are we doing for our personal survival, but it's looking at the present moment, and what do we need to do for our own personal survival, and

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Sandra Ingerman: What do we need to pass down to one person at a time, one child at a time, one grandchild at a time, one client at a time?

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Sandra Ingerman: To be good ancestors for our descendants, which is what this is all about.

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Renee Baribeau: And remember, you have your own unique gift.

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Renee Baribeau: So, your sacred gift could be different than mine. You know, if you're a teacher, maybe you teach children how to expand their, you know, their attention. Instead of picking up the iPad, picking up the AI, how do you read a book?

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Renee Baribeau: I'm sure that art is getting lost, you know, or… one of the things that they do on this island that they do every year is something called hearts and Hammers.

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Renee Baribeau: Where they go over in the community, and they fix people's fences, or their stairs, or their things that people, you know, that they can't afford to have done anymore. So, do you have a hearts and hammers… you know, because…

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Renee Baribeau: we always… it's not only… shamans aren't about laying people out on the table and sprinkling fairy dust and fixing them. It's about the next generations, how people are going to eat, how people are going to heal. You know, are your… is your livestock healthy?

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Renee Baribeau: You know, we've taken it… we had so much…

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Renee Baribeau: We had so much time to… on our hands, that we, you know, got in the bathtubs with our spiritual bath salts and lingered in them for 20 or 30 years, but those days are gone, and we need you back on the front lines, giving people hope.

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Sandra Ingerman: I couldn't agree with you more. I think he just… I think he just said it in the best way possible.

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Renee Baribeau: Yeah.

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Sandra Ingerman: No, we wanna…

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Sandra Ingerman: it's, we don't want to keep going over this subject over and over again, because I think it's really clear, and I think what Renee just said is really beautiful, you know, as an ending.

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Sandra Ingerman: But it's looking at not just today, and of course, living in the present is one of the most important spiritual principles.

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Sandra Ingerman: And as Isis always says, stop looking at the future, because the future is created from our present. So, what you're thinking about in the present is going to lead you to the future.

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Sandra Ingerman: So, I'm not saying abandon the present. The present no longer has meaning in the spiritual community. I'm not saying that life is about being present to what's happening moment to moment.

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Sandra Ingerman: But as you're sitting within yourself, being present moment to moment.

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Sandra Ingerman: What are the actions that you're taking at the same time that will change the present to a positive, force for our next generations to come?

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Renee Baribeau: I love that. The other day, and I'll close with this, is that I picked up this

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Renee Baribeau: 1800, you know, late 1800s piece of mantle with a beveled mirror in it that was in the free pile, because no one wants to buy this

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Renee Baribeau: Wood.

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Renee Baribeau: You know, it's… he says, oh, it's a little too heavy, they move from place to penis, and so our craftsmanship is getting lost.

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Renee Baribeau: You know, the kids don't want the silver, and they don't want the crystal.

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Renee Baribeau: I mean, I'm just wondering if in another 100 years, somebody's going to be looking for all of that stuff again.

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Renee Baribeau: So I pulled it out, and I'm gonna remake it into my new altar, I can't wait. So, I think about, you know, are you choosing junk over, you know, the original things that your ancestor created for you? I mean, I was thinking of it the other day, I was like, wow.

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Renee Baribeau: I wonder how many homes this has been in. And I wonder who made it, and I wonder how… how they were learning to tool this wood in this way without all of these precision tools we have now. And… and I started to go through the ancestor the other way in this piece of wood, this mantelpiece.

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Renee Baribeau: and just… that was my final thought on that, but I just want to say, and if you are one of the people who are listening to the show continually, and you say, oh, you're… you keep us, you know, we're the lifeline to your own sanity, then consider donating to our show, because

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Renee Baribeau: I just sent Sondra the bill for the last 6 months, and you know what? We're almost close after 8 years to breaking even.

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Sandra Ingerman: And I say.

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Renee Baribeau: I say that lovingly, but, you know, with a few more donations every month, Sandra and I won't even have to put in to, you know, come here every other week to give you this wisdom, so…

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Renee Baribeau: Just… just a little thought, if you've never hit donate, you can donate now.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, it goes back to what we're saying. What actions are you taking?

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Sandra Ingerman: to, create a healthy community in the present and in the future. And part of that is supporting all the amazing people who are doing so much work right now in that particular area. So, really…

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Sandra Ingerman: We thank everybody for their support. We get wonderful Facebook posts about how much this show means to people.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so, you know, Renee and I are gonna keep showing up. We're just those kind of people. We're service-oriented, but it's always nice to have that sacred reciprocity.

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Sandra Ingerman: feeling like,

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Sandra Ingerman: We're all supporting each other. We're supporting you moving forward, and that maybe you can donate something that can help us move forward, too.

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Renee Baribeau: Yeah, and you can do that over at Shamanstv.com, and, you know, our Facebook group is The Shaman's Cave, and we love to answer posts for people who are really asking legitimate questions that they're struggling through. So, keep coming over there, keep sharing from your authentic hearts, and we'll see you soon.

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Sandra Ingerman: Thank you, everyone.