Walking Through Darkness Can Create a Deeper Sense of Trust with the Unseen: Shamans Cave

We are living in some dark times. And we all want to feel we have something to trust in. It might seem paradoxical but walking through darkness can be a very rich time in time in our lives and it brings us to a place where we learn what forces we can trust.

Join Renee Baribeau and Sandra Ingerman in this most interesting discussion on how when we are are in dark times and walking through darkness there are greater forces within and without us which help us navigate our journey back into the light and a higher place of evolution.

Transcript

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Renee Baribeau: Hello everyone, it's Renee Barabeau, the Practical Shaman here, and welcome to the Shaman's Cave.

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Sandra Ingerman: Hi everyone, I'm Sandra Ingerman, and welcome to another wonderful, recording of, The Shaman's Cave.

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Sandra Ingerman: And the topic that we're going to talk about today is we are in a time of darkness.

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Sandra Ingerman: If you're a very evolved person, and you've been working on your spiritual practice for a long time, you might have evolved out of what's happening at the moment, and you're living in your own dimension of reality.

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Sandra Ingerman: But for most of us, we're going back and forth. The shamanic practitioners tend to be empaths, we're compassionate people, and so we're seeing, so much darkness that has descended into our lives, into our community.

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Sandra Ingerman: Into our way of life.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so, the topic for today is when, a world moves into the state of darkness that we're in right now, how does our connection with the unseen help us

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Sandra Ingerman: Can we trust them when we can't trust life itself?

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Sandra Ingerman: Can we actually trust the unseen?

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Sandra Ingerman: And for me, personally, I've had a really hard time in life, as everybody knows on this show. I developed a brain disorder 11 years ago, and in walking through extreme darkness for 11 years.

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Sandra Ingerman: where I've come to is the only thing I can trust in life, is the unseen, my soul.

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Sandra Ingerman: And my higher spirit.

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Sandra Ingerman: So, those… those forces are how we walk through the darkness, how we navigate the darkness. And so, opening our hearts more into a place of trust, into the unseen, is probably the greatest tool we have right now.

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Renee Baribeau: Yeah, and if you listened to our last show, we were talking about how to get back into relationship with, shamanism in terms of, you know, necessity and, you know, that direct embodied experience.

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Renee Baribeau: I, for one, have always enjoyed walking in the darkness.

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Renee Baribeau: At night. I, like, pride myself in being able to see, like, an owl and, you know, without a flashlight. And…

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Renee Baribeau: And we had a… even if we go back to that conversation, we had a better relationship with the darkness before. We were… we knew darkness.

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Renee Baribeau: You know, somewhere over the line, that darkness became evil instead of, you know, half the day. And some places live in darkness the whole time, but… but during those…

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Renee Baribeau: If you ever go out at night, it sharpens your perception.

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Renee Baribeau: You know, it sharpens your… Your intuition around what's around me.

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Renee Baribeau: You know, like, where am I stepping?

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Renee Baribeau: And so if we look at our own darknesses, where am I stepping next? I like that idea.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, absolutely, and I used to teach a lot at Omega back in New York, and one of the favorite exercises we would do is after the class ended at 10 o'clock at night.

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Sandra Ingerman: We first go out and start walking through the woods.

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Renee Baribeau: I want that.

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Sandra Ingerman: Then we'd see the fairies, and all the hidden folk coming out, and all the orbs, and all the lights.

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Sandra Ingerman: And that helped us to really remember the magic of life.

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Sandra Ingerman: That in the darkness, there's so much still going on, there's so much life going on, there's so much… so much support going on, and that there are beings that live in the darkness.

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Sandra Ingerman: Who can really help us navigate, through challenging times.

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Renee Baribeau: You're talking about the night fairies?

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Sandra Ingerman: Night fairies, yeah.

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Renee Baribeau: Night fairies.

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Renee Baribeau: Huh. And, like, think, like, like, fireflies that come out at night. Like, there's, like, these little, little guides, you know?

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Renee Baribeau: you know, getting… besides for walking in the dark, I have to say that walking through the darkness has been some… probably the most pivotal moments in my own life, when, you know, like.

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Renee Baribeau: One time, I remember sitting in my old lemon-colored Ford that used to break down on every corner, you know, beating on the steering wheel, asking God why, you know, why God forsaked me, instead of, like, this is a

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Renee Baribeau: shitty piece of car, and, you know, I need a new car, and, like, that I would always take it all the way to the nth degree that God wasn't loving me, or I was not…

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Renee Baribeau: Being watched over, instead of, you know, where is this dark path leading me?

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, and I think you're bringing up a brilliant point in that,

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Sandra Ingerman: When we get into a place of darkness, a lot of people get into, why have I been forsaken?

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Sandra Ingerman: That's the first place.

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Sandra Ingerman: I mean, I do it. When something bad happens to me, it's like…

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Sandra Ingerman: God, I thought you had my back.

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Sandra Ingerman: Where are you? What did I do? And so, I think in the times that we're living in, people are wondering, where… where is… where is that power? Where is that protection? Where is that support?

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Sandra Ingerman: And that power, that protection, that support has not gone away.

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Sandra Ingerman: I just believe that… We're in a place of needing to grow up.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so we've been thrown into the darkness, and we are walking through the darkness, because it's time to stop,

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Sandra Ingerman: feeling that the spirits are gonna take care of every single little thing, every stubbed toe, every little thing that happens to us in life, somebody's gonna whoosh in and save us.

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Sandra Ingerman: No, they haven't been here so far, but who knows? I know a lot of people… I remember years ago, so many years ago, people were waiting for the ETs to come and just heal everything on the planet overnight.

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Sandra Ingerman: There was a whole movement about that. Thousands of people would show up at places. There'd be…

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Sandra Ingerman: these celebrations, these ceremonies all over the world, and it was all about waiting for the ATs to snap their fingers, and we were going to be living in the perfect world.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so, then we step into the world of shamanism and journeying, And it's like, well…

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Sandra Ingerman: Where are the spirits now? And they're right here. They're just asking us to grow up.

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Sandra Ingerman: And in order to grow up, you know, at some point, you hold the kids' arms, and you walk with them. At some point, you hold the back of the bicycle, and you run along the bicycle with your kid.

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Sandra Ingerman: And at some point, you let go, and the child has to walk on its own, the child rides the bike on its own.

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Sandra Ingerman: And that's where we are, really, I think, as a species right now, is so many of us have been living,

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Sandra Ingerman: Waiting as a… as a child, of where is this outside support gonna come from?

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Sandra Ingerman: And what the darkness asks of Us, and Lynn Roberts and I did write a book called Walking Through Darkness, and I recorded, a 10-hour audio program on polishing the path of the soul.

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Sandra Ingerman: Which was, shamanic exercises about walking through the darkness. I, for 10 hours, I was higher than a kite on too much green tea.

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Sandra Ingerman: I took people through.

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Renee Baribeau: straight.

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Sandra Ingerman: What was.

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Renee Baribeau: You went straight in 10 hours?

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Sandra Ingerman: No, it took us 3 days, but I stayed.

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Renee Baribeau: Wow. She didn't get any sleep.

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Sandra Ingerman: I stayed high on green tea throughout that whole time, and I just channeled the deepest exercises for walking through the darkness.

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Sandra Ingerman: And walking through… walking through the darkness, generally, I'm not talking about my products, is about growing up.

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Sandra Ingerman: It's about growing up, it's about…

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Sandra Ingerman: Get in your seat legs, the spirits were there, they said, okay, we taught you how to do this, we taught you how to do that, we taught you how to do this, now can you walk on your own for a while? And I think that's where a lot of us are at right now. We're being asked, can you walk on your own for a while?

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Sandra Ingerman: Find your own inner strength, find your own inner magic, find your own inner firefly that puts out a light for you to follow.

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Renee Baribeau: I love that, find your own… an air fly. Pirefly.

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Renee Baribeau: And I want to add to that, is like, you have to do it without any external proof at the moment.

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Renee Baribeau: Right. Because the proof write-out now is not giving you exactly what you want. I mean, sometimes, yeah, when to, you know, you go into the parking lot, and you need a parking spot close, and you get one, and you get, like, oh, thank you, that's great.

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Renee Baribeau: But sometimes, you know, you have to walk from the backside of the parking lot, and you don't know why.

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Renee Baribeau: And… you know, we always think, like, I think you said it, like.

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Renee Baribeau: You know, you've got my back, shouldn't you have gotten me a spot, like, right up close?

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Renee Baribeau: Maybe you're, you know, being a lazy butt, and you need to walk more. We don't know exactly what it all is, because

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Renee Baribeau: Spirit doesn't communicate to us always in

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Renee Baribeau: You know, things that we can understand.

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Renee Baribeau: You know, you might have walked, and next thing you know, you might have gotten a dream.

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Renee Baribeau: Or you might have gotten that insight.

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Renee Baribeau: Or maybe you're… one of the things I did the other day, I was teaching on the shift network, and I did this thing where I had everyone scrunch up their toes.

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Renee Baribeau: And I noticed, it was really surprising, because if I hadn't had my eyes closed and I didn't do this, I scrunched up my toes, and my shoulder blades loosened.

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Sandra Ingerman: Hmm.

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Renee Baribeau: Because my body knows.

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Renee Baribeau: You know, we think we've got it all, but it's not… it's not all just laid out the way we want. And, to me, some of the biggest lessons are always in nature. Just…

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Renee Baribeau: Always.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, absolutely. That's true, and that's the overriding theme of shamanism. If you're gonna say what shamanism is about, it's about connecting with nature.

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Sandra Ingerman: I think that there are thousands of women, who are dealing with all kinds of mysterious things, like myself.

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Sandra Ingerman: And because I'm online, I get to see how many people there are. And it's almost like the stages of grief.

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Sandra Ingerman: you know, you get this mysterious thing, and you feel like you've been deserted by God, or the spirits, whatever your religious belief is.

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Sandra Ingerman: You get into this whole thing of why me, why me?

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Sandra Ingerman: And then, at some point, you either stay there.

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Sandra Ingerman: And basically, that's where your life goes, is you're just staying in a why me, and I've been deserted. Or, at some point, you realize there… I have to find a spark inside of me.

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Sandra Ingerman: That gets me up in the morning and gets me moving, because the why me, and I've just been deserted by all that's good, is paralyzing. It's a paralyzing state to be in.

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Renee Baribeau: Hmm.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so, A lot of people, when they face the darkness, immediately get paralyzed.

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Sandra Ingerman: And you can stay paralyzed for a while, but if you stay paralyzed for too long, that's where you stay. And I've shared this on the Shaman's Cave before, but I think it was my second or third journey.

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Sandra Ingerman: my power in my life, so back in 1980, my power animal said to me, whatever happens to you in this lifetime, do not sit down in the darkness. Do not sit down.

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Sandra Ingerman: And what he meant by that was keep taking a step forward. Just keep taking one step forward.

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Sandra Ingerman: And that's what we're being asked to do right now. Whether we think we're being supported by the spirits, yes, we are.

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Sandra Ingerman: Are we being supported by God, and the God and the Divine Mother?

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Sandra Ingerman: Yes, we are. Are we being supported by the elements? Yes, we are.

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Sandra Ingerman: But we might not be being shown that support, because we have to learn how to walk on our own, to find our own inner strength, to find that spirit that lives inside of us.

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Sandra Ingerman: That this is nothing to spirit. This is nothing to spirit.

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Sandra Ingerman: Because it's all illusion.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so, spirit just keeps walking. So, that's where we're at right now, is find your own spirit, so that you can keep walking.

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Renee Baribeau: And don't sit down in the dark too long, although…

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Renee Baribeau: Remember, and we both talked about this a lot of times, that seeds grow when conditions are right. And remember, seeds are in the earth, in the darkness, they need that. You know, babies are born in the darkness, in the womb. It's not all, like.

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Renee Baribeau: light and roses in there. So much of creation is done during this gestation period, and so I think right now we're in a…

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Renee Baribeau: we're in a real sincere period of gestation on this earth, where you look around, and there's the death and the decay, and the, you know, systems are collapsing, and in this darkness, we have the potential to burst something totally new, something totally…

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Renee Baribeau: Vibrant, something colorful.

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Renee Baribeau: And it will happen in the right timing.

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Renee Baribeau: And God has not forsaken you.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right, yeah. Yeah, there's nothing that's forsaken us. We're just being asked to find our own spiritual power right now.

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Renee Baribeau: Is there something… you know…

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Renee Baribeau: a mantra or something that you use every day in your life? Because I know you've gone through a lot of…

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Renee Baribeau: like, you've gone through some really hard times where it might have felt like, oh, I should give up on this, and yet I see you, like, bounce back like the ever-ready bunny, and so…

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Renee Baribeau: What is that seed in you that keeps going?

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Sandra Ingerman: Well, for me, the… The mantra for me is that, my strength is my spiritual power.

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Sandra Ingerman: And, my strength lives inside of me.

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Sandra Ingerman: And, to stop looking for solutions outside of me, but to trust that I have, as you were saying.

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Sandra Ingerman: The body knows, and my body knows.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so…

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Sandra Ingerman: as I was saying in the last show that we recorded, we're so stuck in our minds trying to figure things out.

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Sandra Ingerman: But you get to a certain point when you're in such a place of darkness of realizing that your mind knows absolutely nothing, and that your ego knows absolutely nothing.

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Sandra Ingerman: And that it's actually going to twist you and loop you walking in circles instead of finding a way through the darkness and enjoying your walk through the darkness, because the darkness brings you to such a deep place inside of yourself.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so, for me, the mantra that I've been using for the last few years now, and I really believe it, it's not I'm trying to talk myself into it, is my soul and spirit know exactly where they're going.

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Sandra Ingerman: Fantastic.

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Sandra Ingerman: Just trust me. And I say that every day, I light a candle every day. I light sage, I light a candle every day, and

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Sandra Ingerman: I just say, I trust my soul and spirit that it knows exactly where it's going, and I repeat it throughout the day, too.

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Renee Baribeau: See, it's validating with a little ring. See? Yes! Ring, ring, and ye…

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Renee Baribeau: I think for me, the one that I use the most is that…

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Renee Baribeau: That the wind has my back.

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Renee Baribeau: And I know that this is true, because there were so many years of darkness and so many years where I couldn't get out of my own way, and, you know, I would call everyone, please tell me, you know, how do I get out of my own misery? Please, please, tell me, what's next? Is it better?

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Renee Baribeau: Finally, when I discovered the wind, it was like.

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Renee Baribeau: I get the information now. I trust that. When in doubt, I go out on the patio and take a deep gulp, a deep breath in.

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Renee Baribeau: And lately, it's become even more expanded and more expansive, and it's just like, oh…

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Renee Baribeau: You know those little dark fireflies you were talking about? Those little fireflies?

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Sandra Ingerman: Great.

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Renee Baribeau: The wind for me has become that firefly that lights up my hole inside.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, yeah.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, for me, the elements have always been my friends. I'm more connected to elements than I am to people. I relate better to the earth, the sea.

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Sandra Ingerman: the wind and the fire and the sun, I feel like I have more of a heart connection with them.

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Sandra Ingerman: But recently, in the last year, I really see the moon throwing ropes down to me.

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Sandra Ingerman: get lost. I just have to hold onto the rope.

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Sandra Ingerman: And the moon pulls me forward, and so whenever I get stuck, I see the moon just throwing a rope down, I just hold onto it, and it just moves me out of the place where I'm at right now, and it moves me into a place

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Sandra Ingerman: Where I'm not looking at the past, but again, seeing that my soul and spirit has led me to exactly where I am right now, to the time that I'm living in, and will lead me, into a good future.

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Renee Baribeau: Mom, I love that.

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Renee Baribeau: I had… there was a really great visual, seeing Sandra being…

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Sandra Ingerman: I feel like the moon is just pushing me around right now, but it's doing the best.

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Renee Baribeau: That makes sense for, you know, we have long conversations before we start the podcast, and that just makes so much sense that you're being guided by the moon at the moment, you know, into this place where… I mean, it's fully embodied. I love it. I do.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah.

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Renee Baribeau: So, I would love to hear over at the Shaman's Cave, you know, where are your direct relationships? Where do you know that the spirits have your back, even though when they're not giving you daily proof of it? But, you know, what is it that… you know, for years, I would find a feather on the path, and it would be like, oh, there's Uncle Richard.

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Renee Baribeau: you know, telling me I'm on the right trail, you know, so what… what are those, little signs that you get that are really linked to a deeper, a deeper relationship for you? It would be… I think that would be a really great

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Renee Baribeau: Great communication that we could work on this week.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, and another one would be, what's the richness you're getting out of walking through the darkness? Because it's not all… it's not suffering, there's a richness that comes.

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Sandra Ingerman: From autumn through the darkness. So… If anybody has…

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Sandra Ingerman: Has been seeing that for themselves, it would be wonderful to be inspired by that.

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Renee Baribeau: Yeah, we like that.

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Renee Baribeau: And again, both of… all of our books have those kinds of ideas for you to go deeper, and I think the Wind Walker Wisdom Oracle certainly has some winds that can, you know, take you into those, those unseen realms, so I invite you to go over to the website and…

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Renee Baribeau: Do a wind spin, and see what winds are calling you.

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Sandra Ingerman: That's beautiful, Renee, and I think everybody is doing the absolute best they can right now.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so, I'd love to end the show with, people taking a moment to going into their heart.

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Sandra Ingerman: And just… Realizing all that you've been going through, all that you've been witnessing, and that…

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Sandra Ingerman: You are doing the best that you can. You're doing everything that you can.

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Sandra Ingerman: And if you can get to that place.

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Sandra Ingerman: That is where your soul and spirit will come in and start to guide you.

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Sandra Ingerman: But first, stop judging yourself. I'm getting so many emails of people just feeling like they… they feel like they made a mistake, they didn't do things right, they're blaming themselves.

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Sandra Ingerman: And that's not what this time is about. This time is about acknowledging who you are, the depth of who you are.

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Sandra Ingerman: How much you've been through

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Sandra Ingerman: And how much you have to give right now. And so, move into a place of, self-love, and start it by saying, I am doing the absolute best I can.

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Renee Baribeau: Mmm, I love that way to end.

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Renee Baribeau: Thank you.

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Renee Baribeau: Nothing more to say.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah.

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Renee Baribeau: Thank you, everyone, for listening, and…

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Renee Baribeau: We're doing the best we can.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah. Blessings, everyone.