Once Upon a Time at Secrets Part 2: Poolside Chaos and Party Nights Gone Wild

Once Upon a Time at Secrets Part 2: Poolside Chaos and Party Nights Gone Wild | Episode 242

In part two of their takeover recap, Dan and Lacy are back to break down even more unforgettable moments from their wild week at Secrets Hideaway. From high-energy pool parties and brand-new Motorbunny games turning up the heat, to their mission of meeting and connecting with as many people as possible, the vibes stay electric. Friday night brings a Magic Kingdom twist—but what follows is a chaotic group experience that doesn’t quite go as planned, thanks to sunburn struggles, emotional moments, and a series of unexpected curveballs. They wrap things up with Saturday’s epic pool party and the Villains & Vixens club night, where they trade playtime for the dance floor and end up having one of their favorite nights yet. It’s real, raw, and a reminder that not every moment has to go perfectly to still be unforgettable.

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SPEAKER_01 0:00

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SPEAKER_04 0:22

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SPEAKER_01 0:52

And Southern Girl.

SPEAKER_04 0:53

And we are back with part two of our Swinger Society takeover of Secrets Hideaway Resort. Um The Magic Kingdom and Vixens and Villains.

SPEAKER_01 1:07

Basically Dirty Disney.

SPEAKER_04 1:13

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So when we left you, we had just left you on Thursday night. Uh the triad had gone to bed without me. They had an orgy and now they all came inside of each other. I think they're all pregnant. And I got left to work until two o'clock in the morning, and then I got to come and they were all in bed and sleeping.

SPEAKER_01 1:37

That is not true. First of all, there's no orgy, and I was awake when you got there.

SPEAKER_04 1:40

I think it's probably true.

SPEAKER_01 1:42

No, and I'm pretty sure we don't know what happened.

SPEAKER_04 1:44

The truth is, the doors were closed. We don't know what happened.

SPEAKER_01 1:47

It's a mystery. It's a mystery. Get jealous.

SPEAKER_03 1:50

Well, a girl like you likes a boy like me.

SPEAKER_01 1:54

Just a little toxic over here.

SPEAKER_04 1:56

Uh okay. Okay. So you guys went to bed. Yes. Then I came to bed. Yeah. And I had to sleep on the couch. Yeah. And while you all slept in the bed, he's so full of shit.

SPEAKER_01 2:05

We're in two different rooms.

SPEAKER_04 2:07

Oh, it's very sad. But anywho, back to business.

SPEAKER_01 2:10

Um, so I was in the bed waiting on Dan when he came in. I made him come. We went to bed. We woke up the next morning.

SPEAKER_04 2:19

Allegedly.

SPEAKER_01 2:20

We woke up the next morning and now we're in full-fledged.

SPEAKER_04 2:24

It's Friday, baby. Friday. Let's go.

SPEAKER_01 2:27

Yep. So again, we did pretty good about getting up and out. Um, we wanted usually we try to get out there 11-ish.

SPEAKER_04 2:36

We were out there 11-ish, I think. We were out there 11 30. But it was pretty close, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:40

Um, Daphne and I worked in the room prior to going out. You went ahead and went because you gotta like start the music and do all of whatever you do. Um, but Daphne and I stayed back and worked on the room crawl because she is known for like staying in the room half the day, working on the room crawl. On Friday, yeah. And not enjoying. And so I wanted her to be like, we're gonna knock this out. Yeah, let's like and because if you go out there, then you have it hanging over your head.

SPEAKER_04 3:05

I think you guys were decking decorating the room on Friday before I even got out of bed.

SPEAKER_01 3:10

Yeah, we got up and were we were eager. So we kind of knocked, I would say, 70-ish percent of the work to be done before the room crawl.

SPEAKER_04 3:19

Before the pool party even started.

SPEAKER_01 3:20

Before, yeah, before it even started. And so but then we did, so then we headed out to the pool, you know, a little after 11 or or so. And as I was coming out is when you were playing your first game. So you were playing the bathing suit game.

SPEAKER_04 3:36

Yeah. So if you don't know the bathing suit game, this is a good like get the party started kind of game. Uh, we usually pick three or four people and then usually girls, uh, but I guess it could be guys, but it's normally girls. Uh, and the the what the the goal of the game is to go around the pool and collect as many bathing suit tops and bottoms because it is clothing optional, yeah, as you can. And they get one point for a top and two points for a bottom, and then whoever scores the most points win. And I actually think the winner won by one point, if I remember correctly, which goes to show you how close it was.

SPEAKER_01 4:16

Yeah, it was a great day, pool day. We did some motor bunny stuff on Friday as well, which you did not call me up to do the Motor Bunny, and I thank you for that.

SPEAKER_04 4:26

Yeah, so we did so the pool games were we did that game, the bathing suit game. Um we did one more other game before the the motor bunny. Well, I'm trying to remember what it was. I don't remember what it was. I don't know. Oh, it was the um I think was it the kink one where they uh the the sexy squad came up and I think Nick had to it was almost like a it reminded me of like a price is right game because they all held a card that said like what their kink was, and Nick had to put the card to the person, which that's a pretty good game. Yeah, that is a good game. Uh and then so the card to the person, and then you know, I think he had three chances to get them all right. You know, if he got one right, they stepped out, yeah, and then he had three chances to get everybody's aligned with everybody to win the prize, and he won.

SPEAKER_02 5:13

Yeah, that's awesome.

SPEAKER_04 5:14

So that game was one, and then I think we went from that and then into the motor bunny. Yeah, and so for this time, we brought our motor bunny, but secrets also broke out their motor bunny, so we had dual dueling motor bunnies, yeah. And we actually played a game with it at first, and it was like um complete that line. Yeah, so you like they would like sing a song and then you had to finish the the lyric um to the song, and then I can't remember somebody won.

SPEAKER_01 5:42

Which we've talked about this openly. Our last secrets, y'all were pretty critical of our lack of gay.

SPEAKER_04 5:48

How's it looking so far?

SPEAKER_01 5:49

Um, you haven't read the reviews, so they don't like the motor bunny.

SPEAKER_04 5:52

They don't like the motor bunny.

SPEAKER_01 5:53

No, they said that the motor bunny is pretty individual. You know, they like the fact that, like, for instance, the bathing suit was you, it gets everybody helping each other and it gets the crowd going. I don't disagree. I love the motor bunny. I feel like the motor bunny is like a good end of the day thing or like one or like a one-time thing, but they want more group, they want opportunities to talk to other like to force you to talk and intermingle.

SPEAKER_04 6:20

So they still want more games, they want different.

SPEAKER_01 6:22

They I still the the motor bunny is not a game.

SPEAKER_04 6:24

It's not a game.

SPEAKER_01 6:25

So, like to me, I like the motor bunny at that like four o'clock when we did do it a little earlier.

SPEAKER_04 6:30

I think we might have done it.

SPEAKER_01 6:31

Like a little bit tipsy, a little bit they're you know, they're not so uptight, they're a little bit um and also just to talk on the reviews. We also got um quite a few reviews about the intermingling within the pool. They felt somebody even so so much said that the volleyball net is like a division between everybody that knows each other versus they're not. And you know, this really makes me think of something. One is I met this couple on the last bliss. Well, we didn't meet them, we've met them, they've been at a lot of events. Hell, I I'm 99% sure I fucked the husband. Oh there's a 1% sure, I can't remember. I fucked a lot of people one night. But that I was talking to them on the bliss cruise, they came to our meet and greet and they brought up a great point. They said, you know, when because they've been to Heto, they've been to Bliss, they've been to Secrets, they've been to a lot of things. With us, with us, and they've seen people like around us, and they assume those people are all of our friends.

SPEAKER_02 7:27

Right.

SPEAKER_01 7:27

You know, from an outsider looking in, they see people around us, they think, oh, that's their all that's their crew. He's like, What I've slowly learned at from because they're kind of quiet, they're a little bit of like sit back and take it all in type stuff. He's a what I've learned is those aren't all your friends, those are just people that are random people that happen to be talking to you that day look through you, or they just came and they're just like gonna be part of the pro part of the party. So they just sort of join your party. True. He's like, and you know, from an outsider looking in, I thought those were like all your friends. So I I didn't want to impose, I didn't want to put myself and the truth is it takes a special type of person to be to come in and be like, I'm gonna be friends with you. Let me not all people are that way.

SPEAKER_04 8:13

Well, and and even to be fair, sometimes if you come in like that and you're like, we are gonna be friends, it can be too much. Well, sometimes it works and sometimes it's too much, and it doesn't because like truthfully, if you come in like that and our personalities match up and we vibe, it's great.

SPEAKER_01 8:28

It's great.

SPEAKER_04 8:28

Yeah, if you come in like that and you know, we're just not the same, you just don't click for whatever reason.

SPEAKER_01 8:33

Because the last secret, some guy was like, We're gonna be friends, and I'm like, Well, I'm friends with everybody. It's like, no, we're gonna be friends. And I'm like, okay, well, that just scared the fuck out of me. You don't tell me what you know, so it's all about the approach. So I say that because I want people that like see us hanging out with our friends, I want you to realize they're not all our friends. There was so many new people that were just like, if you wouldn't, if you're gonna use that divider, if you what you're saying is true, there were so many people that I met for the first time on the other side. And I could have done a better, and I will admit where I'm wrong, I could have done a better job of butterflying around. I did some, I could have done better. So I will own up to that.

SPEAKER_04 9:13

I don't know what's going on, but I feel like I was barely in the pool at all. This secret. Well, because you're I feel like last secrets, I was in the pool a lot. And I don't know if it's because we're doing more games and stuff now, because Well, you were sunburnt, so you barely That was day two, though. Day one I was not, and I I only got in the pool basically once like the motor bunnies were done and the pool party was kind of over.

SPEAKER_01 9:35

Yeah. Um, yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think it's kind of hit or miss.

SPEAKER_04 9:39

Well, I think we know we're doing a pool game every almost every hour. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:44

And then because y'all tore us apart of a game.

SPEAKER_04 9:46

So And I need like 10, 15 minutes to kind of you know get the stuff together and get it ready and set up. You know what I mean? And then so then it's like, well, I'll only really have like 30, 45 minutes before the next one.

SPEAKER_01 9:57

So I mean, I think people are pretty critical. I mean, like, even to the point where they're like, we need to include Lacey more in it. And purposely, I have tried very hard to take in the if you notice, if you've been around, I've taken like a backseat to the a lot of that on purpose because I don't want it to be the Dan and Lacey show. You know, I want it to be about swinger side, the movement, the greater the Dan and Lacey show. So purposely, we have put me on the back burner for that reason. Yeah, so it's like I think people want Well, you can't win it at a world. You can't. I think people want it like the best of all the worlds, not the both worlds, I mean all the worlds. Yeah. So we're really trying to like navigate that. And the pool party is always a hard one for us because truthfully, there's a lot of people that we haven't seen since September. So as I'm going around and mingling and hugging, those are people that I'm I'm not super good, but I care, I'm friends with them. Um that's me mingling. They're not people I talk to at least.

SPEAKER_04 11:01

You're probably hoping you get to fuck that night.

SPEAKER_01 11:03

Yeah, you know, I'm like trying really hard, you know. Like, so we I I know I put forth a lot of effort. The moment I walk out of my room, I I say hey to every single person. If I if I'm walking to the pool, if I'm walking to the car, I try to say hello and speak to every single person that I pass by. Am I gonna get them all? No. And the one person I miss, somebody's gonna say mean things about me. But I genuinely try.

SPEAKER_04 11:29

Yeah, I mean, I don't know how many people were there this weekend. I would probably guess around Saturday night was probably around a thousand people. You're just not gonna.

SPEAKER_01 11:36

But I think the pool party was worth mentioning some of those reviews because I hear you, I do see room for improvement. I also see places that we're just never gonna, we're never going to meet make everyone happy.

SPEAKER_04 11:47

Yeah, I mean, for me, my ideal would be like let Nick and the secrets crew run the games and me and you be able to get in the pool and mingle with the people more.

SPEAKER_01 11:55

Uh but then if we do that, then they say we're doing not enough games.

SPEAKER_04 11:58

Not enough games.

SPEAKER_01 11:59

Then if we don't mingle and we only do games, then they say, Well, you being a part of the party is what makes the party. We get we just need to clone ourselves.

SPEAKER_03 12:08

Agreed.

SPEAKER_01 12:09

Yeah. So anyway, but the pool party on Friday was great. Saturday's pool party was more hyped up, in my opinion. Um but Friday was really, it takes people a little bit to get in, you know, in this case.

SPEAKER_04 12:21

I think I felt that way about the pool and the club party. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:26

So um after I so just so you know, my flow of the day is I usually try to go in for 4 30.

SPEAKER_04 12:36

So you usually come about out about noon and go in about 12 30.

SPEAKER_01 12:39

Yeah, I got out about 4 30. I got out about 11. You know, so I'm out there for about five hours, you know, give or take. And that's me bouncing around. That's me in the pool, that's me in the cabana, me checking on merch, me checking with you. You know, I'm like try that's yeah, me moving the majority of the time. So about 4 30, I go in because I have to like unpeople. Is that a word? Decompress.

SPEAKER_02 13:01

No, I yeah, that's a real word.

SPEAKER_01 13:03

I need to like cut off from the hey, how are you? You didn't, I mean, I'm super great, happy to be there and happy to be around all the people, but I do get very overstimulated, very easy. And if I don't like give myself, like if I don't make myself have that break, I end up just not being like I my battery, my battery runs out.

SPEAKER_04 13:24

Yes, totally understand.

SPEAKER_01 13:26

I'm just listening to you. So about 4 30-ish, I went in and And that's the funny thing is I probably you probably left at 4 30.

SPEAKER_04 13:34

I probably like got done with the motor bunny and all that and everything kind of packed up and wrapped up, and I probably got in the pool about like 4 15.

unknown 13:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:41

So and because the rim starts crawl starts at 6.

SPEAKER_02 13:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:45

So that gives me about like that's not me. I think you tell people I go and sleep. I don't go and sleep. I that gives me about an hour and a half to order as food or figure out what we're gonna eat, get myself completely like hair, makeup, change of clothes, do final touches on the room to then open the door at six.

SPEAKER_02 14:06

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 14:06

So um, so yeah, that's what all I was doing. This night we didn't order food because it was um dirty.

SPEAKER_03 14:16

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:17

We didn't order food on Friday because Dirty D does carne asadas for everybody. So um we ate actually after the room crawl, so there was a little bit of wiggle room in in in Friday night. So yeah, so the room crawl started at six. Our theme was like Peter Pan, fairy whimsical type things. Um it was great. I thought it was a good room crawl. It wasn't, I didn't think it was overly busy, it was pretty okay. It was subtle.

SPEAKER_04 14:46

How did uh on the reviews did we get any feedback on the because we did this one a little different? So normally we'd give people cards and they go around and then they collect stickers on their cards from all the rooms.

SPEAKER_00 14:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:57

Um this time uh we just gave you a card, and I don't even know how it worked.

SPEAKER_01 15:03

If you got a QR code and you scanned it, and then you typed in the room number of your choice, or you you chose from a drop-down. Um, in person, one person told me they hated the card. They hated not having a physical card. They liked making sure that they went to everyone. On the reviews, everybody seemed to really like the new version. The QR code. The QR code. Um, but we people were voting before the room call even started, so we had to like adjust the numbers a little because we get like an email when you when you vote, so we know like it's time stamped, so we didn't need like the room call hadn't even started and people were already voting.

SPEAKER_04 15:41

So we do we suspect that is people voting for themselves?

SPEAKER_01 15:45

No, no, I didn't get that vibe. I knew who it was. I don't I didn't get that vibe. Um, but the room crawl, I mean, I thought it was really good. They're definitely on the reviews. Some people said they like we liked participation. This like some people just basically opened the door and gave out a shot. And and the truth is, some people fly, some people drive and they can go with more. You know, I think you're gonna get a little bit of everything. We we do homeless have to force people to do a room crawl at most of our things. A lot of things are.

SPEAKER_04 16:12

It's funny, it's gone back and forth. It's gone from like we've had too many people signing up uh to now sometimes it's like we gotta we gotta encourage our friends to participate.

SPEAKER_01 16:22

If you win, you get a free room. So, you know, we always try to encourage, you know, Daphne's done it every single time and has never won, you know.

SPEAKER_04 16:31

And and honestly, we we kind of tried to cheat for her several times.

SPEAKER_01 16:35

No, I did not cheat. I just encouraged people to vote for her. I mean, vote for my friend, but never I've never cheated. Don't say that. Okay, don't say that because I don't want people to think that. Yeah, I've never cheated.

SPEAKER_03 16:46

You've tried to help.

SPEAKER_01 16:47

Have I been like Daphne did amazing? You should really vote for her. Did I use my influence to try to skew people her way? Yes, but did I fail? Yes. So did it is that really cheating?

SPEAKER_04 16:57

She's been really close, like once or twice. Yes, it's just like within a couple votes. Yeah, um, so yeah, I mean, like She was not close this time, she was like six out of like seven.

SPEAKER_01 17:07

But what's crazy is people were like, we're talking about her last root and crawl, how great it was. So I'm like, how did she not win? I don't know. It was fun. I dressed up as Wendy, she was Tinkerbell, and Mike was Peter Pan.

SPEAKER_04 17:17

And what was I?

SPEAKER_01 17:18

Um, I asked you if you wanted to.

SPEAKER_04 17:20

I was nothing. I got no outfit. I was not part of the triad outfit dress-up crew.

SPEAKER_01 17:24

I said, Do you want to be Captain Hook? And you said, No. You said, I probably won't even be in there because I'll have to go turn the DJ stuff on.

SPEAKER_04 17:32

Yeah, I did have to leave her.

SPEAKER_01 17:33

So I said, okay. But then did he give me shit about it? Yes. Didn't matter. So um once the room crawl was over, um, we grabbed dinner from Diana. She makes, you know, the tacos and stuff. So we had that. Um, and then somehow you ended up fucking Daphne.

SPEAKER_04 17:50

Yeah, I did. Yeah? Yeah, I did. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:52

I don't know how that happened, but you encouraged it, I didn't. I was like, you should get on that dick. And she did. And what's funny is there, you know, there's always a ton of nurses, hairdressers.

SPEAKER_03 18:06

Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:07

We forgot, and like our friend who was there was gonna do Daphne's hair, and she's like texting us and everything, knocking on the door, and she's there to do our hair, and Daphne's like right in that dick.

SPEAKER_04 18:20

Yeah, and kind of we had to kind of wrap up.

SPEAKER_01 18:22

I would have kept going, but uh Daphne was like, Well, I let you keep going while she did my hair because I was like, why don't you just do my hair first while they're fucking? She was like, Go for it, I don't care. Yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_04 18:33

We we wrapped it up though.

SPEAKER_01 18:34

Yeah. So after that, we uh, you know, that was done. We got ready. She didn't, I just needed like a half up. It took her like 15 minutes, if that, to do my hair. Daphne's required a lot more. She had a full-on updo. Um, but yeah, so uh this night was like our traditional like Disney like princess, prince, you know, that type of thing. So I was Belle, and you were an easy take on the beast. I was because I knew you were DJing and I knew you didn't want like a full-on beast outfit.

SPEAKER_04 19:05

Yeah, I just uh I think you got me a purple like button up and uh a crown. Yeah. And I cut the sleeves off the button up because I didn't want to be hot.

SPEAKER_01 19:13

Yes. So I ended up if you followed my vlog story on the internet. Um, I ended up with the dress, my original dress. I wore that one. Um, so I did not wear my backup, which I have it. There'll be another there's always some sort of Disney play on themes. So I've done Aladdin a few times, and Aladdin and Jasmine, so I'll just save it and wear it next time.

SPEAKER_04 19:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 19:37

Yeah. So let's talk about the party.

SPEAKER_04 19:40

Uh okay, so that wraps up the room crawl, the fucking uh, and then it was time for the club. I actually opened as the the DJ in the club on Friday night. Uh opener is always that's the toughest DJ slot. You know what I mean? Because you're you're starting it cold.

SPEAKER_01 19:55

It's my favorite though.

SPEAKER_04 19:56

When I open?

SPEAKER_01 19:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 19:57

Because I'm done to time to fuck.

SPEAKER_01 19:59

Because you leave early, and so like as you know, instead of you sitting there waiting on me to get ready.

SPEAKER_04 20:03

I'm not better now.

SPEAKER_01 20:04

Yeah, you're gone. We and then we meet you at the club. So I we're kind of working this out better.

SPEAKER_04 20:09

Yeah. So I opened up uh started a little slow, and I was I can remember it like it was like nine in when I say slow, it's probably like the club opened at nine, it was like nine fifteen, and I'm like, where are all my friends?

SPEAKER_02 20:19

There's nobody here.

SPEAKER_04 20:20

But then by like nine forty-five, the club was pretty packed. Yeah. I think I played till like 10:30, and by 10:30, it was it was yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:28

I probably got there about like 9:30 or so. Um, and it like immediately I feel like it's was busy.

SPEAKER_04 20:36

Well, I think I'm used to like me and you know, me and you walk in together at like, you know, whatever, 9 30, 9 45, and it's just it's going already going in full. So like starting it cold was a little bit different.

SPEAKER_01 20:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 20:47

Uh, but it was cool.

SPEAKER_01 20:48

It was a great party. I was pr still pretty, I was struggling to drink. Um after my whole Wednesday debacle, you're still hungover from I was still a little hungover. Uh honestly, I think the GLP one, it's like I took one shot of fireball and I was like, no. I think I ended up just like making myself throw it up so I could get off my stomach because it just felt yuck. Daphne um got trashed, trash, trashed. Um, she was in like the other VIP, like our friends of our have a VIP next to us.

SPEAKER_04 21:20

They were feeding her fireball.

SPEAKER_01 21:21

They were feeding her fireball. Um, so finally, I think, you know, we had been partying for a while. I ended up taking her to the room to try to sober her up because I knew that um we, you know, that we wanted to order, we wanted to have fun. I wanted her to be a part of it, but I knew she needed to like sober up. So I took her to the room, I gave her Dr. Pepper, we had some donuts, you know, try to like soak up some of that. She changed clothes. I took her up, do down, brushed her. I was like best friend of the night, you know, brushed her hair. She was, you know, she started to do a lot better. And then, you know, by the time we got back to the club, she was Yeah. You know, she wasn't functional.

SPEAKER_04 22:02

Yeah, when you guys left, I don't know what time, you know, 11 30 or something like that. Probably I'm like, they're not coming back.

SPEAKER_01 22:07

But it was because I was pretty sober because I had had that one shot and then it, you know, made me sick. Yeah. But I got her back and we we partied for a little bit longer. And then at some point it was decided we were gonna orgy in one of the suites, which I'm always happy if it's not our room. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:23

So we left I think the club around 12:30-ish.

SPEAKER_01 22:27

Uh I think the plan was to be up there by like one.

SPEAKER_04 22:30

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 22:30

Which there was some, like, you know, even after that, like, could Daphne make it? Would she did we get her sober enough? And she did. She she rallied and was able and it was good. So we get up to the orgy and it was the orgy from hell. I love our friends. I love everyone that was in that room. It was nobody's fault. It was just a shit show. It happens. They're not all they're not all hard friends.

SPEAKER_04 22:55

Yeah, my dick didn't want to cooperate.

SPEAKER_01 22:56

Dan couldn't get hard. He got hard for a few minutes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:59

Which was a problem. Yeah. Uh I fucked you and fucked Daphne for a little bit and then I was struggling.

SPEAKER_01 23:04

One person sucked. Yeah. One person was crying because she felt like there was too many people there. And I think which is fine. Yeah. I'm like not mad at her.

SPEAKER_04 23:16

Well, and I think there was too many people. Like I think this is what always happens, right? It's like some in in your head, you're like, oh, let's go fuck with these four couples. And then somebody else gets invited, and somebody else, and then four couples turned into like 12 couples. Yeah. And basically it kind of turned into like a bunch of people.

SPEAKER_01 23:33

Well, I think there were it it wasn't communicated clearly who was invited and who's not. Also, Dan and I pretty much are like, we are not making those decisions. We are not making those decisions. In our opinion, everyone should be invited, and then you fuck who you want to fuck. I do get that that when that's your room, that's not always easy. But you also have to understand that if Dan and I say tell somebody no, then we're the bad guys. You know? So like we had even told some friends or Dan had that they could come and then they were turned away at the door. So then like Saturday, I had to like, you know, make sure that like nobody was mad because they got turned away. Because I didn't want anything.

SPEAKER_04 24:09

Everybody handled that pretty well.

SPEAKER_01 24:10

Everywhere, everyone handled it pretty well, but I just didn't want them to think that like honestly, I didn't know they were turned away. I was in the back of the room and found out about it after. Um so what ended what was supposed to be just a couple of couples ended up being a lot more. And then additional couples were let in even after other couples were turned away, which then where do you where do you draw the line? Then is it okay to turn some away from the other?

SPEAKER_04 24:34

Well, and this is the problem is there's no good answer, right? Yeah, and that's why I'm glad that's why we've stopped being the person that has to make that decision, because like you said, we don't want people getting mad at us. But then unfortunately, somebody has to make that decision. And if you let people in, people are gonna get mad. If you don't let people in, people are gonna get mad. So there's no winning in that situation, right? So I don't this is this is the you know, when that people say the lifestyle is drama, this is the this is the drama, yeah, right? And it's it's not avoidable drama.

SPEAKER_01 25:01

But it's not anybody's fault. Like nobody had ill intentions, nobody was being miserable.

SPEAKER_04 25:06

Everybody's trying to do the right thing, right? So if you're not letting people in, it's because you don't want to make people in the room that are already in the room uncomfortable, right? But then if you do let people in, it's because you don't want them to be mad or uncomfortable. Yeah, so either way, somebody's gonna be upset and uncomfortable. So there's no there's just no winning in that situation.

SPEAKER_01 25:23

Yeah, and it ended up being quite the shit show. I mean, like I fucked one of my favorite guys that I get to fuck, and he made me come really good, and I was happy. You know, like I did, I came, I got what I came for, you know. But like then another couple ended up, she ended up crying. So there was like tears, there was a lot of like people that couldn't be. It was just yeah, it ended up being more of a clusterfuck than it was really now.

SPEAKER_04 25:50

I do think there are other people that were in that orgy that were oblivious to all of that, yeah, that had an amazing time. No, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 25:56

Like honestly, I was oblivious other than your dick not working to a lot of it until it was sort of almost over.

SPEAKER_02 26:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:03

Because then that's when I saw the first person cry, and then when we went to leave, that's when I saw the second person cry. So I was oblivious to people being turned away and stuff.

SPEAKER_04 26:11

So I do think well and I think that might I started with seeing somebody cry. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:16

So that might have been like Daphne and Mike had no idea. They came, they fucked, they had a great and then they they bounced, and we got we got back down there and were telling them they had no clue. So yes, a hundred percent. I think everybody there probably had like different experiences. It was a I mean, I got fucked good.

SPEAKER_03 26:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:33

Goal achieved, you know. I mean, we think yeah, I don't we did there's too much going on for Dan. I don't know, it just happens sometimes, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_04 26:42

No, I mean I fucked you, I fucked Daphne, and then I kind of I think got my in my head. Well, because people were upset, that kind of fuck with me a little bit, and I don't think my medication I wasn't quite working, and so yeah, yeah, there's just a lot.

SPEAKER_01 26:55

So so we ended up just at finally like we let we went to leave, and then somebody was crying, so then I had to like and don't get me wrong, I still had a good time.

SPEAKER_04 27:02

Like I had fun with you, I had fun with Dafy, and I actually had fun with somebody else. I couldn't get hard, but I still had lots of fun with them. And so, like, honestly, if you're like go to bed or like do that orgy again, I'm doing it again. Like, not I'm not, I don't want to say like you, you know, it didn't go ideally for us, mostly because my dick didn't get hard, and and then you know, having friends be upset for whatever reason, and I think it was totally cool and it's everybody's fine now. Yeah, nobody's upset. Um, you know, that just isn't it's just not ideal, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 27:32

I came really good, so I was happy.

SPEAKER_04 27:33

I was so even like even though it wasn't perfect, it's still kind of a win, you know. I mean, like if you had given me a hey Dan, go back to your room and go to bed or go to this orgy, knowing everything that me my dick wasn't gonna work and all the things were gonna happen, I still would have gone the orgy. Yeah, for sure. So I just want to be clear that it wasn't necessarily that bad.

SPEAKER_01 27:50

100%. I guess where if I have any like frustrations, that's the only really that's the only orgy, not did get spoiler alert. That was really our only orgy. And so, like, I don't know. But I kind of wish it had been better, less chaotic. Right. But again, that's un it's unfortunate.

SPEAKER_04 28:11

Well, I guess the question though is then how do we so knowing that, right? How do we fix that for the like how do we how is that an avoidable situation?

SPEAKER_01 28:20

It's not, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 28:21

And I think they're and even like okay, like part of me would have been like, well, if we'd gone to the playroom and started going into somebody's room, yeah, everybody it could have been open to everybody, but then you know, you gotta deal with like the creepers and stuff that you know, and then worrying about that.

SPEAKER_01 28:34

So, like, even unfortunately, shit just happens, all right.

SPEAKER_04 28:36

So then you could be like, Well, we should have gone to like just two or three couples and said, Okay, just the three of us, but then somebody would have gotten upset, and that probably would have been a better experience for us, right? Because it wouldn't have been as chaotic and we probably would have had a better time, but then people probably would have still ended up getting upset. So, like this is just I guess if you're listening to this, this is part of the lifestyle that you have to deal with. Yeah, and is it drama? It is a little bit of drama, but you have to figure out how to negotiate this the best way that you can. And even though I think Friday night's orgy had some of that type of drama go on, I think everybody handled it really well. Oh, for sure. And Saturday, everything was great, right? So that's in that situation, that's really all the best.

SPEAKER_01 29:16

Everybody handled it the best way possible, yeah, for sure. So that was our Friday night.

SPEAKER_04 29:20

All right, I think now's the perfect time to take a little break and hear from the partners and sponsors of the Swing Nation podcast. And then when we get back, we're gonna get into the main event what happened Saturday. Yes. Dun dun dun be right back, guys. Okay, Lacey. If you're gonna be a swinger, yeah, you need to be a responsible swinger.

SPEAKER_00 29:41

I agree.

SPEAKER_04 29:42

Uh, and part of being a responsible swinger is getting tested on a regular basis.

SPEAKER_00 29:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 29:47

Now, something I didn't know is not all STI STD testing is the same.

SPEAKER_01 29:53

That is correct.

SPEAKER_04 29:54

Not every family doctor fully understands how you should be getting tested.

SPEAKER_01 29:58

That is correct. What one doctor thinks is a full panel, another doctor may have a completely different version of that.

SPEAKER_04 30:05

And being somebody in the lifestyle and engaging with multiple partners, um, what you should be getting tested for is probably if you're not telling your doctor that, what you should be getting tested for is probably different than what they're thinking in their head.

SPEAKER_01 30:20

Yeah, because they don't know your lifestyle, or or even if they do know your lifestyle, there's a like, for instance, there is a new one called MGen. And we just recently met a doctor at a lifestyle party and said that she had never even heard about it. And so she was awesome that we had educated her on that. So a lot of these doctors don't they don't know it all.

SPEAKER_04 30:40

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SPEAKER_01 31:13

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SPEAKER_04 31:27

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SPEAKER_01 31:49

Yeah, because we want you to fuck like a porn star.

SPEAKER_04 31:51

For sure.

SPEAKER_01 31:53

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SPEAKER_04 32:00

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SPEAKER_01 32:27

You can.

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SPEAKER_02 33:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 33:10

Okay. So when we left you, we just finished our orgy in one of the suites on Friday night. There was tears, there was cum, there was squirt, uh, all at the same time, and damned stick didn't work very well.

SPEAKER_01 33:22

It happens to the best.

SPEAKER_04 33:24

I still had sex with two girls. So I mean it wasn't the end of the world, but uh wasn't ideal for me.

SPEAKER_01 33:30

You didn't make it a big deal. It wasn't a big deal. Yeah, it wasn't a big deal. It doesn't have to be.

SPEAKER_04 33:34

And honestly, you know, I think it was part my partly my medication didn't work, uh, but it was partly like I had just got done DJing and I had been out in the sun all day. I was actually sunburnt at this point. Uh something that we didn't mention is during the day party on Friday, you went to bed. I actually got in the pool and stayed in the pool for like for the record, I did not go to bed.

SPEAKER_01 33:53

You keep saying you tell everybody, and so like I see people going, How was your nap? I'm like, I had an hour and a half to eat food, get myself completely ready, clean up the room.

SPEAKER_04 34:02

There was fair fair. Okay. Lacey went to the room.

SPEAKER_01 34:04

Okay, thank you.

SPEAKER_04 34:05

I got in the pool for like two hours and got when I got out of the pool, I was sunburnt as hell. Now, okay, ladies, in the Discord, I dropped the picture. Did you see all this? I dropped the picture of me naked in the Discord prior to Secrets and said, I am very white right now.

SPEAKER_01 34:23

Ooh, I didn't know this.

SPEAKER_04 34:24

I need help.

SPEAKER_01 34:26

And nobody took care of me.

SPEAKER_04 34:27

I need help not getting sunburned at secrets. Uh 10 girls were like, I got you, Dan.

SPEAKER_03 34:34

Every time I see you, I'm gonna be putting sunscreen on you and I'm gonna be taking care of you.

SPEAKER_04 34:38

And I was like, awesome. Because I'm I know this is kind of like the first, you know, it's kind of springtime. It really was the first where we've been out in the sun a lot. Yeah, and I am as just you know, the Scottish heritage in me likes to burn. Um so I put that out there. Everybody signed up and they're like, we're gonna take care of you. And no one did, nobody took care of me.

SPEAKER_01 34:56

So this is gonna piss you off even more. I rub sunscreen on multiple men with my titties.

SPEAKER_04 35:03

How many times did you rub sunscreen on me?

SPEAKER_01 35:06

One.

SPEAKER_04 35:08

Not on Friday. Maybe after I got sunburned, not on Friday. Not on Friday. Well, somebody I think I actually put sunscreen on myself. Mr.

SPEAKER_01 35:15

Southern Swap was like, Can you help me put sunblock on? He had it in the pool, and I was like, Can I do it with my titties? Can we make a movie out of this?

SPEAKER_04 35:23

Well, anyway, so everybody on Discord that made false promises, this is your fault. Uh, so I was so two parts. One, I just got done DJing. Yeah, two, I don't think my dick medication was really working. Uh, and then three, I'm sunburnt. So every time somebody touches me in that org, it's a mix of pleasure and pain, and not in a good way. Uh, so I think that's what fucked me up.

SPEAKER_01 35:43

Yeah, also look, keep in mind that I am very like olive skin toned, and even if I burn, I'm like tan the next day.

SPEAKER_02 35:52

Not me.

SPEAKER_01 35:52

And so I don't even really understand what like a true sunburn is. So Dan and I's like experience in the sun is very different, and I haven't quite fully grasped the paleness that he has to deal with. So, like for me, I don't even put any on or put like it once, and I'm good.

SPEAKER_04 36:10

And I I forget I have to put it on every like hour. Yes, at least.

SPEAKER_01 36:14

So so, but we're going on the bliss cruise in a few days. You're hearing this.

SPEAKER_04 36:17

Wow, we I have I have all the things we are prepared for the I'm probably still gonna be peeling probably by that time, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:24

Probably so anyway. So let's get on to Saturday. Okay, that was a long tangent. All right, so we get up Saturday, definitely not moving as quick as we were. Again, I had taken it super duper easy on the drinking and the partying, and I'm still dying. It's Saturday.

SPEAKER_04 36:41

You're still dying from Wednesday.

SPEAKER_01 36:43

Wednesday. I'm like, I am I feel every ounce of 41 right now, every ounce. Um so we we definitely had a slower start. Saturdays, we get out to the pool later because uh well, you go out and get things going.

SPEAKER_04 36:57

But so I went out so um Saturday we do hold the staff um luncheon in our room, every secrets, and that's uh to thank um all the staff and volunteers that work for Swinger Society. And if you don't know, uh we actually have over a hundred volunteers um between the Discord and moderating that, between Facebook, uh Reddit pages, consent team, consent team, and then people that actually volunteer in person at the events.

SPEAKER_01 37:26

Did you say magazine?

SPEAKER_04 37:27

Uh magazine staff, yeah. We put out Alt Life magazine every month, and there's volunteer writers and volunteer editors and volunteer um people that do like the layouts and photography and stuff. So, yeah, there's over a hundred volunteers that help keep Swinger Society afloat. So when they come to Secrets, we like to do a luncheon, do what we call shots with the bosses, where they come into our room, we take a shot, we eat some lunch, we kind of, you know, I give a little rah-rah speech uh that got made fun of this time, uh, and do that. So I actually got up, went out to the pool, and then I actually dumped all the ping pong balls into the pool. Um, so we have this game where there's ping pong balls, we kind of spread them around the pool, and they have things like the reviews hated them. Lick something, kiss somebody, touch somebody.

SPEAKER_01 38:09

Um the truth is we had them left over. So it wasn't like an actual game. It was more of like we have these. If this encourages you to do something great, if it doesn't, that's fun too. Um, we did not bring those home with us, did we?

SPEAKER_04 38:23

They do. I have them, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:24

Oh, they we'll we'll we'll toss them. You made it very clear that you hate them on the RBS we loud and clear.

SPEAKER_04 38:30

I don't understand. I like them.

SPEAKER_01 38:31

I like them. It's more of like an incur it's y'all's lack of enthusiasm. Let's just be real. This is a you problem, not a me problem.

SPEAKER_04 38:39

I what don't they like about them?

SPEAKER_01 38:40

I don't know. Last time they wanted them to be more raunchy. And guys, okay, there is a level of consent that I am worried about. I don't want to put kiss or make out or suck a dick, and then somebody walk, you know, walk up to you and be like, I have to suck your dick because it's about you know, like I don't want to put anyone in an uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_04 38:58

It's more of a way to like encourage people that already have consent to or to ask for consent to do a thing.

SPEAKER_01 39:06

Yes. So I I didn't pick inappropriate, not that those things, not giving a blood jump sign inappropriate. I tried to pick things that like a kiss on the cheek or like a hug, you know, something that's not gonna super cross someone's boundaries, you know.

SPEAKER_04 39:22

But a way to start people start flirting with each other, right?

SPEAKER_01 39:25

Or like ask someone their favorite, you know, so it's really just a conversation.

SPEAKER_04 39:29

They didn't like them because they weren't naughty enough.

SPEAKER_01 39:31

Last time they didn't like them because they weren't naughty enough, and this time they were just like, Why did you bring them back? Um but to be on fair, we did them at HEDO last year and they were a people loved that hedo. Because people were like actually like they were going around like, hey, I got one that said hug, how about a hug? Yeah, oh, I got one that says motorboat, how you know you know, and like the people at Secrets for some reason just don't enjoy that. Got it, I will throw them away.

SPEAKER_04 39:57

When you say the people though, what is it one or two people that commented?

SPEAKER_01 40:01

I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 40:01

Yeah, so that's the problem. This is part this is the problem. So the great thing about doing the reviews after every event is we get feedback, right? The problem sometimes is I think we get feedback from like people that were scorned, yeah, or like maybe didn't have the best experience, right?

SPEAKER_01 40:18

And so because of that, some of them are positive, you know, and then they put in some things that because we asked, what can we work with?

SPEAKER_04 40:23

I'm just saying you have to balance, right? So if one person said they hated the ping pong balls, I don't think that necessarily means the ping pong ball game is.

SPEAKER_01 40:28

I know, I just think it's funny that the ping pong were like kind of an afterthought, like, hey, we have these, let me throw them in there, and if you want to use them, great.

SPEAKER_04 40:35

Literally, my thought was I need to get back to the the the luncheon. Uh so I don't really have time to do a game, but what I can do is just spread these ping pong balls around, and that will kind of get people in the pool doing something until I can get back from the meet and greet to do a game.

SPEAKER_01 40:53

Yeah, I think a lot of people have opinions about like throwing a sex party or throwing it, but then actually doing it is a lot harder than you'd think it is, you know, like trying to be in two places at once, for example. Yeah, okay. So um, but we had our luncheon, it was great. We did our shots, we brought Panak came out with the new margarita flavor. Yeah, so I if there's ever a new flavor, I try to bring that. So I, of course, we had Fireball, and then I brought some tequila. So the people could choose, you know, Dan. We did make fun of Dan because he kind of gives the same speech every year. So yeah.

SPEAKER_04 41:25

So I actually it's a good speech. People are like, all right, Dan, we're ready. I think uh you want me to just play the recording from last year? I was like, hey.

SPEAKER_01 41:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 41:33

And then I was like, who's new here? And I was like, okay, so you guys can listen up, everybody else can shut up and sit in the corner. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:38

Um, but it was good. You know, we had Panera bread, so we had um sandwiches and and fruit and stuff. It's just a nice thank you. You know, it's a nice so um after that we got we cleaned up a little and got ready and headed out to the pool. So we were out there closer to one on Saturday. I immediately spotted the IV people and made a beeline to the IVs because I was still feeling like shit. And I was like, I don't care how much this costs, shoot me up. Give me all the goods.

SPEAKER_04 42:10

Did it help?

SPEAKER_01 42:11

Honestly, it did. Yeah. Like just sitting there, I immediately kind of did they have uh anti-sunburn uh IV?

SPEAKER_04 42:17

I should have asked. I didn't look. Yeah, I didn't look. I could have used that, yeah. Yeah, but sunburn recovery IV. Like, is that a I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 42:24

Maybe they should invent it.

SPEAKER_04 42:25

With some of that um, what's the stuff you take that uh that makes you some some uh tanning peptides in it?

SPEAKER_01 42:33

I don't know. So but the IV only took like 30 minutes. Um it was pretty quick, and then right after that I got in the pool. I did you were pretty sunburnt. I did feel bad like mingling because I felt like I needed to go back and check on you.

SPEAKER_04 42:48

Like I was very afraid to go in the sun on Saturday. Now, when I did the pool games, obviously I I kind of had to be in the summer. So you just sort of limited. I mostly tried to stay either under the DJ booth or in the cabana um and kept my shirt on for most of the day on Saturday because I was pretty sunburned.

SPEAKER_01 43:06

I try I stayed out, you know, and and mingled and and chatted with people.

SPEAKER_04 43:10

So if you feel like I was antisocial on Saturday, it's because I was trying not to burn.

SPEAKER_01 43:15

But I was any further underlying worried about you. Um, but yeah, I mean Saturday, the pool was like pretty, pretty wild.

SPEAKER_04 43:25

They we they were turned up and I was kind of after the ping pong ball game, we did the car wash. Yeah, and that went over very well, I felt like. Did anybody talk about the car wash on the river? Yeah, so if you don't know what the car wash is, I actually think this might be one of the oldest swinger like games traditions.

SPEAKER_01 43:43

Hardy Mark invented it and then gave you No, he didn't.

SPEAKER_04 43:46

No, I've been told this goes back like 50 years.

SPEAKER_01 43:48

Yeah, who told you that?

SPEAKER_04 43:49

Uh the first person I saw do it, but I I can't remember who I was talking to. Maybe it was Joe. Uh, but they were talking about how like you know, one of the first Hitos they went to like 50 years. Ago, they did a car wash, so I think it goes back a long way.

SPEAKER_01 44:02

I guess Party Mark is the modern person that typically does it. Right.

SPEAKER_04 44:06

He's the first one we saw do it. And he does it on every Bliss cruise. So yes. Uh but anyway, the car wash is you you take uh as many girls as you can get out of the pool. Uh, hopefully they're topless, hopefully they're naked, things like that, and you line them up in two lines so they're across from each other, forming kind of a tunnel, if you will. Uh, and then you give them soap, you give them baby oil, uh, and then the guys line up in kind of a a train, if you will, and they go through the tunnel of naked girls that are then soaping them up, baby looping them up, washing them with their bodies, them with their boobs, the guys have to keep their hands up in the air.

SPEAKER_01 44:43

Right.

SPEAKER_04 44:43

The guys have to keep their hands on their head or up in the air, they're not allowed to touch the girls, but the obviously the guys are consenting to the girls touching them as they go through the line. Uh, it's kind of uh it's a good way to get people interacting. And we had a a high level of participation.

SPEAKER_03 44:58

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_04 44:59

Uh I mean, and this that uh car wash probably went for it felt like 30 minutes.

SPEAKER_01 45:04

Yeah, it was it the whole pool was like pretty wild, and I didn't drink on Saturday day on purpose because I really wanted to feel good, and I just done that Ivy and it kind of seemed counterintuitive to them drinking. Um so I stayed sober, so I felt like everybody else was on like a different level than me, and I was a little bit envious. No, they were all wilding out pretty, pretty heavy. Um Dwayne danced in a thong, which was quite entertaining. Uh, I'm trying to think what else.

SPEAKER_04 45:35

And we did some motor bunny uh way she broke out the new motor bunny jack jacked, jack or jacked?

SPEAKER_00 45:43

Jack, just jacked.

SPEAKER_04 45:44

Uh and so if you don't know what that is, it's basically one of those sex machines that does the penetrative motion, like a jackhammer, if you will, uh, where it's got like a you know a motor on it and it goes in and out. Uh and so we used that, and uh the girls were able to come up and volunteer to ride the motor bunny jacked, which basically means they had penetrative sex with a dildo on the end of this machine. Uh, but of course we used condoms and we wiped it and used toy cleaner and all of that in between each person. Uh, we had pretty good, I think, you know, I don't know, five, six, seven people.

SPEAKER_01 46:17

And we did talk about it before, is we created these pins. So, like, if you survive the motor bunny, you got this like pin to be.

SPEAKER_04 46:24

Yeah, I gave that the on Friday. I didn't give it on Saturday because it was the picture is of the other motor bunny. It's the same. I should have maybe I should have, yeah. I should have given it to both girls, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 46:34

Uh, it was I think probably some of the same girls that did both, but it's kind of like a token, like you did it, so you have it, you know. So that was fun.

SPEAKER_04 46:42

Yeah. Uh it was pretty hot. Um, Amy, so what it's what's her screen name?

SPEAKER_01 46:48

California unicorn.

SPEAKER_04 46:49

Well, I think she's some she's like Idaho unicorn or something now, I think, or Indiana or I don't know, wherever she lives now. Uh she came up and she's like, I want you to fuck me with it doggy style. Uh, and so I had to like it comes in this like mount thing, so but it also has like a shoulder strap. So I picked it up with a shoulder strap and did that. That's hot.

SPEAKER_01 47:06

I didn't see that.

SPEAKER_04 47:07

Uh yeah, and then um uh what's her new name? Um, New Swingers on the Block. What is she called now?

SPEAKER_01 47:12

Annika.

SPEAKER_04 47:13

Annika. I think was like choking her a little while I was in, she was like squirting all over that.

SPEAKER_01 47:18

Yeah, that's and also MJ did it one of the days. I don't know which day.

SPEAKER_04 47:22

The first day, yeah. And she's not a get up in front of people person, so that was kind of a big deal that she had the dueling motor bunnies on Friday was nice because they could kind of come up as a team and they'd be like making out with each other while they're both riding the motor bunnies. And it was it was I, you know, you said people didn't like it, but uh watching two girls ride motor bunnies while they're making out with each other and squirting all over the place. I don't know who doesn't like that.

SPEAKER_01 47:44

I mean, like we're never gonna make anybody happy, so I definitely don't think we take the motor. Yeah, I definitely don't think we take the motor bunny away. I just think we need to make sure that like other games are like for sure for you know, there's also on Saturday I don't think there's much more time than the amount of games that we played at this yeah, and on Saturday you did a thing where it was several people's birthday, including Nick, Mandy's husband, and then uh they all came up and had chairs, and then the girls had white t-shirts on, and then you had like squirters, like um So the mistake there was next time I probably won't give the crowd the squirt guns because they kept squirting the girls in the face, which is not cool.

SPEAKER_04 48:26

No, and then two, some of them were squirting over the girls and hitting the DJ booth.

SPEAKER_01 48:30

Oh, so you just need to have like a girl like earth.

SPEAKER_04 48:32

I just need to take a bucket and just dump it on there. Yeah, get it over.

SPEAKER_01 48:35

Or you could just give somebody like one or two people, like every girl have a partner in that person.

SPEAKER_04 48:39

Or give the each girl a bucket and let them dump it on themselves so it's sexy or each other or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 48:44

That was pretty hot, and people seem to like that as well.

SPEAKER_04 48:46

No, the actual I don't the girl that won. Oh my god. Ugh, she was yeah, I might have I had a chubby, I think. Did you? Yeah, she was she was good. I mean, several of them. I mean, it was all hot, but yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:58

But you don't get much better than half naked girls dancing on guys. You do not.

SPEAKER_04 49:01

No, no, you don't, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:03

If you don't get a chubby from that, I mean like yeah, yeah, there's no hope.

SPEAKER_04 49:07

There's no hope for you. Yeah. Uh yeah. So very, very that was a good time.

SPEAKER_01 49:11

I had to make myself go in, but also I had not been drinking. So about the time I was ready to go in, MJ, which is a friend in Annika and their husbands were in the cabana with you because you know you were sheltering in place from the sun. So as the time, I feel like they always get turned up about that time, and that's always the time that I have to go. This is true, yeah. Which is honestly something that I deal with because a lot of our friends go and fuck in that in-between. They have like day, and I'm always very envious of that. But like, there is no possible way that I could be the host of this party and do that and eat dinner and not be put together the way you want to be. Yeah, I would have just to come back in, shoot, rush, and get ready, yeah, throw my hair up, you know, and and then it would, I would have it would affect my night, it would affect a lot of things. So I have to purposely like because this is our job, this is where the job part comes in. I have to purposely be like, no, Lacey, you have like you have to. Pull yourself away from the party to um where all of our friends are like that that's the time they're like wilding out.

SPEAKER_04 50:12

It is true. I think that like four to six time frame is usually when people in the pool, that is the turned up time.

SPEAKER_01 50:18

Which if you think about like keto, when we go, that's our time that we're turned up.

SPEAKER_04 50:22

Yeah, I mean that's the blowjobs and people fucking and yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:25

So I I'm coming to the cabana to tell you, hey, I'm going in. I think Daphne Mike had already left me, and then like MJ is like in your lap making out with you, like y'all weren't having sex, but we wanted to be. We wanted to be. Um, and it was super hot. And like I was very, very torn because like we've never fucked them, and I desperately want to fuck them. I just think that like our schedules are on different paths, and we we're just gonna have to plan a night that we're like, okay, this night Dan gets done DJing at this time. We need to go to this room at this, you know. I think that at this point, I think our schedules are just not going to align where it can organically happen. So I I was very torn because I wanted to like do that. You know, I w you know, but also like I knew if I got I had to make myself not let anything happen because I knew the second I kind of like leaned into it, just like the other day when we were we fucked during the day, you know, that would have happened. So I purposely was like, I'm sorry, y'all. I have I felt bad. I felt terrible actually.

SPEAKER_04 51:37

Yeah. Well, Annika was trying to get her to fuck me right that are in the the thing.

SPEAKER_01 51:40

Which I would have loved. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 51:41

And and part of me was like, Well, I don't know, you know, like I'm all sunburnt, right? And I've been out in the sun and doing all these games and stuff. So like, you know, my head's not exactly like, you know, I'm a little, but then like she started kissing me and riding on me, and my dick was like pretty fucking hard. I was like, Well, I could probably actually do this. You know, like at first when she said it, I was like, I don't know, like, if this is gonna, you know, because like the night before I hadn't got hard in the orgy.

SPEAKER_01 52:05

So in my head, I'm thinking, like, I have had no well, and because you had never fucked her, what if what if it wouldn't have gotten hard? Then you would have felt terrible. Yeah. So so I mean we need to make that happen.

SPEAKER_04 52:17

Yeah, no, I agree. I agree with that. Yeah. So anyway, I went inside abandoned me to not have sex, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:23

So sorry. Um, because this is it was a little later, so we we're talking like 4:35 now. I had to be back out at seven to make TikTok. So we do uh on Saturday at Secrets, we do an open invitation, like a time. If you're comfortable being in front of the camera and being public.

SPEAKER_04 52:42

Was that like seven?

SPEAKER_01 52:43

Yeah, it's at seven. Then um everyone's welcome, and we make tick, we just do a couple TikToks.

SPEAKER_04 52:50

I saw one of those today. Like we're actually, I think we were all sitting in a circle around the fire or something.

SPEAKER_01 52:54

So uh so I had literally had like two hours to eat, rest, get ready, and be back out there. So I ordered us to dinner and while we waited on dinner, I kind of rested a bit. And then once dinner came, we you came back and ate with a triad. Thank you for being a part of that.

SPEAKER_02 53:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:10

And then um after that, I think I had like 30 minutes. So I went ahead and like curled my hair and put a little bit of makeup. I don't actually, I don't think I even wore makeup, I just wore my sunglasses because I knew we'd be outside. So because I wanted my makeup and everything to be fresh for the night. So I curled my hair. Um, and then me and Daphne went out. Well, and this is kind of the time when that you got to rest. So me and you were like two ships passing in the night.

SPEAKER_04 53:35

So um And by rest you mean I got to eat and you know, post on social media.

SPEAKER_01 53:39

Just like how you say when I sleep, I'm eating or ordering food and getting us that kind of rest. So um me and Daphne go, it takes us about 30, 45 minutes to do those videos and stuff. We came back, and at this point it's 7:45, 8 o'clock. We have to be at the club by like 9:30-ish.

SPEAKER_02 54:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 54:01

We ended up being late. Um, because by the time we made like, you know, we had did some transition TikToks.

SPEAKER_04 54:06

Yeah, I don't think we got in the club until 10 o'clock almost. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 54:10

Yeah, we were running a little bit late. My costume had more to it, had stuff in my hair and stuff on my face. I was poison ivy, and you were the riddler on Saturday night.

SPEAKER_04 54:21

Um another missed opportunity, uh, this vanilla swirl couple came and hung out with us while we were getting ready because they were of similar theme to us, and we took some pictures and stuff. But they were kind of it was one of those other connections all weekend where I kind of felt like something could happen.

SPEAKER_01 54:38

Well, there was a couple times that she had the time. She was like, go, you know, go flirt with you. I mean, I would I did, but he's like truthfully, one of the hottest guys there. I mean, I'm not even gonna like I'm not I love you, babe.

SPEAKER_04 54:49

But he is Whoa, whoa, wait, you're saying he's hotter than me? No, never, never, never. That's what it sounded like.

SPEAKER_01 54:54

But I'm just saying he's definitely so like I am totally into him.

SPEAKER_04 54:57

This is a couple we've been dancing around for like three years now, yeah, four years now.

SPEAKER_01 55:00

I think like we because we're so busy, we've not so I think maybe the question to your answer about the Friday night Orgy is maybe we just had invite couples like that, you know, like that we really want to engage. Maybe that's right, maybe orgies have.

SPEAKER_04 55:14

Had that been like just us and been on a swirl, or just us and MJ, or just us and I mean I can probably name a hundred other couples.

SPEAKER_01 55:22

So I think like maybe that's something that we need to take away from this. Like, we've been very hardcore orgy people for maybe go away from go quality over quantity. We're about to go into Bliss Crew, so maybe we lean into you know, we can still play room it, but like maybe us and a couple go into just the bed and shut, you know, shut the curtains. So, like, maybe let's play around with that. Let's see, and then like let's come away from it and like compare our experience.

SPEAKER_04 55:47

Yeah, and I think the problem with orgies has become they're too big now. Yeah, there's too many people now, right? It used to be like, okay, uh a good orgy was like three or four couples, right? Now it's like every time we go to orgy, there's like 15, 20 couples and that could potentially be involved. Yeah, and it's like it's just so many dynamics and so many people that it becomes like too hard to manage, and then it ends up being a shit show, right? So maybe maybe it is pulling back and and finding smaller groups, and maybe so. But like you said, you're still gonna have then the issue of people not being involved in the world.

SPEAKER_01 56:19

Yeah, I think we do some of each, but I think I think if people are okay with not being involved, if you say tonight we're going with Oh, I think if we said tonight we're gonna go with vanilla swirl couple or even like MJ, people know that oh, they have been trying to fuck each other for years. I think the problem is when people feel left out. So, like if there's three couples that go off and then two other couples wanted to join, that's when people feel left out. So I think it's navigating that.

SPEAKER_04 56:44

Yeah. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 56:45

Okay, noted. So anyway, so the club wild.

SPEAKER_04 56:51

It's hard to put in the words what Saturday night was.

SPEAKER_01 56:55

We shut it down at 2 a.m. Um and it was full. It was full. All of the DJs absolutely killed it. Um I mean, just in time did a great opened it up to like very much like RB, like hip-hop, like booty shaking, which you know, we all love.

SPEAKER_04 57:13

It's kind of his specialty, yeah. Filthy Frequency went after you, and he is just like, yeah, so it went just in time to Juan Deepa to me, and actually this time, me and just James, which is James Jr., who's the whatever he is, the general manager, director or something of Secrets. Um uh me and him actually did a back to back, which we just that wasn't planned. He was in the club that night and he's like, Are you DJing tonight? I'm like, Yeah, I'm going on at midnight. I'm like, You want to DJ with me? He's like, Oh no, I'm like, come on, do it. He's like, Okay, I got my USB. And he jumped up there. And I'll tell you, so I didn't I've seen James DJing around Secrets, and yeah, I think he's DJ'd some of the eye candy parties and stuff, and he's you know, he's the owner's son, right?

SPEAKER_01 57:57

So it's like you just assumed he wasn't.

SPEAKER_04 57:59

And usually when I've seen him, I've seen him a few times now, he usually is with another DJ, right? So like there's two DJs up there. So I wasn't sure, like I don't didn't know how good of a DJ, you know. I was kind of like, oh, I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_01 58:12

Is this like performative or is this people could say the same for you if you want me to be super transparent?

SPEAKER_04 58:18

But I'm usually up there by myself.

SPEAKER_01 58:20

Correct.

SPEAKER_04 58:20

But I'm saying people could have to be like, it could be a play, it could be a playlist if they didn't know, right?

SPEAKER_01 58:23

Or like a lot of times you do back to back. Right, yeah. So like you could also relate to that. That's a fair statement.

SPEAKER_04 58:30

I say all that to say fucking that dude can DJ. He's a better DJ than I am. Like his mixing, his his you know, applying filters, and I mean he was doing backspins and like he I don't know what any of that is, but I believe he is. He knows how to DJ and he can do it like that.

SPEAKER_01 58:44

It was really cool. You know what? I failed.

SPEAKER_04 58:45

I did not record Yeah, you didn't you didn't take any pictures, any videos. Me and James DJing in secrets in the club, and you couldn't get one fucking picture.

SPEAKER_01 58:53

I I know. Do you wings of glory might have when you missed?

SPEAKER_04 58:57

They weren't there at that time. They were already they already put the camera up because I didn't go until midnight.

SPEAKER_01 59:01

Um, anyway, it I failed you. I'm sorry. Um, I can't I have no excuse. I have no excuse other than I was just having fucking fun. Yeah, that's my excuse. I was having a good job.

SPEAKER_04 59:11

You're not a very good marketing assistant for my DJ career.

SPEAKER_01 59:14

I didn't know that was my role.

SPEAKER_04 59:16

It is.

SPEAKER_01 59:16

Oh, I know it.

SPEAKER_04 59:17

Just like I gotta take all these pictures of you and stuff, like you know, little reciprocation here.

SPEAKER_01 59:21

Okay, baby. The club was amazing, though. I mean, it's very hard to put into words how badass it was, but it just it was it's a vibe. You had to be there to kind of understand.

SPEAKER_04 59:32

I mean and James finished. I think James he he left a little bit before I was done, and then I finished, and then Filthy Frequency came on. And if you don't know, he's a dubstep DJ. I don't know if a dubstep DJ has ever DJ'd at Secrets before.

SPEAKER_01 59:46

Surely.

SPEAKER_04 59:47

And well, I don't know if they've ever done like a full dubstep set before.

SPEAKER_01 59:51

The staff at Secrets were free. The staff were on the stage with him, they were so excited. It was so awesome.

SPEAKER_04 59:59

I have never seen that much energy. So he didn't come on till one o'clock in the morning. He went from one to two and shut the club down. I have never, never, you know, we've been going to Secrets for what five years now? Yeah, you know, we've been throwing events there for five years now. I have never seen that type of energy in the club that late ever.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:16

Well, do you know how why that happened?

SPEAKER_04 1:00:18

Why did it happen?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:19

Because I gave him a kiss before he went on stage. I gave him what is that song that TikTok that's like, I've got the magic in me in me. I had gave him the magic.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:31

Yeah. Well, he killed it. He crushed it.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:32

He came up and he was like, Can I get a look, kiss or look? And I was like, Yes, you can. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:37

Well, I didn't I text him, I was like, Man, you fucking crushed it. I've never seen that many people in there.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:40

And he was like, Well, it's because you kept them in there until I got you know, I was like, honestly, you know, like just a shout out to him, him and his wife are like just good people, like fundamentally, like sweet, genuine, awesome people. He is like precious, he gets nervous, he overthinks it, he like panics before he's like, I mean, hours.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:00

I think his wife told me he put like 40 hours into his set.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:03

Like he like he genuinely genuinely like cares in his like and then that is so refreshing.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:09

When it shows it shows during his performance, yeah. Yeah, and I mean not every DJ we had, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:13

Yeah, this is not to take away from anybody. I just think in this situation, he deserves it.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:19

He definitely shined, yeah. Yeah, he does. Because normally that last DJ slot is kind of like a throwaway slot.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:24

Yeah, everybody's fucking, you know, and he honestly nobody was fucking because he was that good. Yeah, you know, which I don't know is good or bad.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:29

Yeah, you know, I don't know. I don't know either. Um, we ended up maybe you know, very on brand for like electric pleasures, yes. Um maybe not so much for Twinger Southy, but it worked.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:37

There was like conversation like, do we stop him? Do we like may ask him to keep playing? It was that good. And we were like, but also the secret staff, like it it's one thing if it's just using it. Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:47

There's several people who are like, you cannot turn off the music, like he has to keep going.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:50

We could not turn off the phone.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:51

It's like these people need to go home to their kids. Like, we can't keep the clock in the case. And so literally we cut the I don't know the liquor license laws and stuff, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:58

They like cut the music, and then everybody was like, Oh, like it was over. And like we ended up just going back to the bed back to bed, you and I. So we didn't fuck a lot of people did orgy. We knew we had to get up. I think I had to be um back in the lobby at 9 a.m. And this is 2 a.m. and we're gonna go.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:14

Yeah, we didn't, you know, I had to turn down off the equipment and you pick everything up and then go get the stuff from outside. I mean, I didn't get back to the room till like three. Yeah. And then yeah, you had to be back inside at like six or nine. Nine. You know, I mean, that was six hours from the time you hit your head hit the pillow tool.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:28

And then it wasn't like I just had to go and work and then like leave. We had to, we had to load the entire yeah. We had to we had a full day's work ahead. So unfortunately, we did not get to fuck, which you know, it's just part of the job. Sometimes that it happens, sometimes it doesn't.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:43

Yeah, this whole you know, throwing parties and DJing has cut into our our fucking time for sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:48

For sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:49

For sure. But guess what? We have bliss crews next week. I'm not DJing. No, uh, I'm not setting up equipment, I'm not tearing down equipment, I'm not hosting pool parties.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:00

On that note, I think it's important, like for you and I personally, there are it's getting to where secrets is almost too much for us to play. Can we squeeze squeeze it in? Yes, occasionally. It's getting to the point where like if we play, it should be like, oh my god, we got to play, more so than like, fuck, we didn't get to play. And I think things like Bliss Cruise and like Hito, things that were not hosting, Splash, Naughty in New Orleans, Naughty's a little iffy because we do actually host a lot at Naughty. A lot of those things are you know when we we're really gonna have to like lean into that because when this is it's all evolving and it has been evolving all of these years, and it's getting to a point now where it's very hard to like genuine. We used to think it was hard to host in play. It's very hard to host in play now.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:47

Well, it's not even we're not even we went from hosting to like the per doing all the production and the you know I mean it's a lot.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:55

Yeah, throw a sex party, they said it'll be fun. Then you don't get to have sex at your sex party.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:01

But anyway, if you if that sounded like a good time, we want you to come to our next Secrets Takeover. So this is coming out next Thursday. So that means um right now, as we speak, the tickets are on sale to Diamond members, uh, which means you know it would it's half sold out with just the people that pre-booked at Secrets or before Secrets. Uh and so now it's on sale with Diamond members, they're probably gonna book up a bunch of rooms and then what is it, Monday?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:28

So it's um May 1st at 10 a.m. Central Standard Time. It goes on sale to the general public. If you are not a Diamond member and you're like hearing this and you really want to go, I would be on there on the first at 10 Central and try to snag up a room because 10 a.m.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:44

Central? Yeah. On the first of May.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:46

Yes, because there will be very few rooms left.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:49

Yeah, I think last time this this secrets, it took about, I think it was two weeks uh to sell out from the time it went public uh to sell out. And we didn't have we didn't put the rooms on sale to sell that Sunday. Uh and I think we there was significantly less that were pre-booked. So if it sold out in two weeks last time, you know, maybe it might last a week this time, if that long. So Swingersighty.net, make sure you keep an eye out. Uh, May 1st, 10 a.m. Central time. Rooms go on sale. Grab yours so that you don't miss our September takeover. Uh, if you do miss it or there's other parties you want to go to, we will be at the sanctuary um in May. What's the dates for that?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:30

It's the I believe it's the 15th and 16th. You can keep talking about it after.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:34

15th and 16th of May. We're gonna confirm that. And then in June.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:38

It is 15th and 16th of May.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:39

And in June, we're gonna be in Chattanooga, Tennessee for our next electric pleasures, which, if you like dubstep DJs and house DJs, and EDM uh type music, that is the party for you. It's gonna be a topless pool party during the day outside with our new stage. Uh, we're talking about trying to get some food trucks and things like that. So very festival-like vibes during the day. And then we're going to go into the club party at night.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:05

And that's June 12th and 13th in Chattanooga, Tennessee.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:09

Yeah. And that one is over half sold out as well. So you're going to want to go. There are payment plans available for all of these, except for the the sanctuary, the club party. There's no payment plan for that. You can find links to all of this and more by going to swingersociety.net. Swinger Society Society.net. Come catch one of my sets. I think I'm actually DJing at all those parties. So I'll be DJing in the Sanctuary. I'll be DJing and Chattanooga and I'll be DJing um Secrets next time. And we'll have all these DJs you're hearing about, Filthy Frequency will be at Chattanooga as well as at Secrets next time. I think he'll be at Secrets next time anyway. So if you want to catch some of this and experience it for yourself, trust me, it's worth it. The music is amazing. The orgies are even better. You know, watching people squirt on stage with motor bunnies and getting jacked by the motor bunny jack. I mean, all these things, these are like the kind of memories that stick with you for a lifetime.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:14

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:14

And really change the way I think you look at sex and relationships and and that kind of stuff. So I agree. Check it out. Yep. All right. Anything else for the Swing Nation listeners, Lacey? That's it. All right, guys. I think with that, oh, before we end, I want to do give a shout-out to our staff.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:31

Oh, that was nice. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:32

Uh so before we end, let me give a shout out to our staff.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:35

And their spouses.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:36

Mandy, um, Diana, and Nicole, and their spouses. And as far and then all the other people that volunteered to help us. Uh, as well as the secrets staff. Um, they definitely went above and beyond this time. Uh Nick, uh, the was great. I loved uh the whole sexy squad.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:56

Nick with secrets.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:58

Yeah, secrets Nick. Our Nick too. We love our Nick too. Secrets, Nick, uh, the whole sexy squad, uh, the secrets DJs did amazing, as well as uh the secrets management, front desk, everybody. Uh the maintenance guy crushed it. We had a few room issues that he was on real quick. Uh so appreciate all of you guys uh for everything you do if you're listening.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:19

Uh and uh we can't wait to be back. Uh secrets is kind of like a second home for us at this point. Um, so uh we look forward to more, bigger and better and more things with secrets in the future.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:31

For sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:32

All right. Now, anything else?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:34

That's it.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:34

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