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Coffee & Questions 17/03/26

John Seton Season 5 Episode 3

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Okay, Tuesday morning coffee and questions. Got me coffee. Gonna jump into the questions that you've got here. A quick look. So, first of all, okay, why do the exercises that you do seem to be more than a few seconds and you do it for 60 seconds, etc.? Right. Reason for that is um when it comes to mobility and stability, what we're trying to work on. So you have the joint restriction or you have a tissue restriction. So say for instance, if your arm doesn't move correctly in more than one plane of motion, say it doesn't move this way all the way, or that way all the way, or that way all the way, or that way or more than one, it's most likely the joint that's the issue. If it's just one, so if this is fine, so say for instance, down is fine, flexion is fine, extension is fine, but this external rotation is tight, then it's more tissue. When we do the long, like you'll hold them for sort of 60 seconds, not sort of the uh the 90, 90, 90 one or uh anything like the L5S1 where you put your legs up the wall. What we're trying to do is we're trying to distract the joint and elongate the fascia. So you might think that it's just this muscle here that restricts that, which is obviously what we were taught, that's what we're gonna treat. But the fascia goes with it everywhere. You know, if you're trying if you're trying to work on your hamstring, you don't just stretch your hamstring, the fascia goes to the bottom of your foot. So when we do these exercises, we want to elongate the fascia, distract the joint, and you want to hold it into a position and you you move through that range of motion, and that's why they're held for longer. You've got to remember what we're trying to do is obviously you've got the unbreakable dosm, mobility stability first, then you've got strength, speed, and power. Now, if your level one screen isn't efficient for what you're trying to do in your golf swing, then we want to find out is it joint or tissue that we need to fix, and then we need to focus on fixing that. And that's why you only have to do 15 minutes a day because we focus on what it is that's the biggest issue that's holding back your golf swing at this moment, what it is in your body, and then we do that. Um, obviously, if you're doing fitness, so say, for instance, you want to make a muscle bigger, that's when you would work in sets and reps and things like that. So you know, you do eight reps and you do three sets, or if you're doing strength, you do five reps and you do five sets, something along the lines of that. But when it comes to fixing the body, when it comes to rehab, what we want to do is we want to get the joint or the fascia or the not necessarily body part, but that area that moves, we want to get the movement back, and then that's why when we do the motor pattern learning, it's completely different to anything else that you would do with strength training or power training. Because what you want to do is you want to find the right form of that movement. Once you find the right form of that movement, so for instance, if you're doing it laying down, then you want to have a feel. So when I do this, I feel this and I do it correctly. When I do this and I do it wrong, I feel that, and then you want to go through the developmental learning pattern so you start on your back and then half-kneeling, you know, like um sorry, quadruped and half-kneeling and standing. So that's why a lot of the exercises are different. So the ones that you're gonna hold for a long time, 30 seconds, 60 seconds, generally they're gonna fall under the ability of distracting the joint and stretching the fascia. When we work on the power stuff, obviously your power exercises would be different because what you're doing is you're trying to do certain action powerfully. So a power exercise wouldn't be a bench press trying to push as hard as you can. When we're working on the power, what we're doing in the golf swing, we want to do something that we can move and uh implement, whether it be a medicine ball or a golf club or whatever it may be, or bands, um, or even what we do with a suspension trainer. You want to do it powerfully, yeah? So remember it's in the mobility stability first, and that's when you're gonna hold them for 60 odd seconds, 30, 60 seconds. Then obviously, you'll have motor pattern learning in between that, then you have your strength and speed, and then you have your power, but that's why we hold them for longer periods. Uh, next question. Okay, what's the biggest mistake you see when people do their own screens? Um they try and pass. So, like, say our first level one screen, uh TPI level one that done was back in 2012. I've done that at the bell free, and what you do is everyone's trying to pass. So think about everyone that's in the course at a times golf pros, medical professionals, and fitness professionals. And everyone's trying to pass. The medical people want to pass, the fitness people want to pass, the golf pros want to pass. So you would do a particular movement and you'd be like, it's nearly there, yeah. You would give it to them. No, no, no. What you want to do is oh no, it's either foul or pass. And then what you do is anything that you you're better off saying you foul something than do an exercise that doesn't do anything, you know you've you've covered that area, and saying something's passed, and you don't have an exercise to fix it or a program to fix it, and then you don't get better. So when golfers send me their screens, they will go, Yeah, yeah, I've passed this, I've passed that, and then they won't notice certain things. So, well, you've done your external rotation on your arm, but you've lent back because you're trying to pass the test rather than chest and movement. That's the one thing I noticed more about when picking sending this screens online. Uh toe touch. Why do we assess toe touch when you don't do it in your swing? Uh-huh. Right. So let's go to the data first of all. If someone early extends, so if the hips move closer to the ball on the backswing on the downswing, so you go into the backswing, your hips move closer to the ball, or as you come into your downswing, your hips move closer to the ball. Um, data-wise, most people that more people that early extend will have failed the toe touch, so it's a data issue as well. Plus, also, as well, if you can't touch your toes, and again it's the motor pattern of touching your eyes, so your hips go back and then you uh hinge from the hips, your setup could be different. And if your setup's different and you more arch over us, so you arch over this way with more rounded back, that's going to cause you to earn extend a bit more on the back swing, and then anything that you're in the wrong position there is going to be different come down. So it's more of a data thing. So it's not as though, well, I don't touch my toes in the golf, I don't touch my toes in the golf swing, so I don't need to pass the toe touch test. No, it's a pattern thing. Your hips need to go back, you need to be able to hit hinge from your hips well, and then just from a data point of view, people that can't touch their toes generally early extend. That doesn't mean that there's anyone out there that doesn't early extend that can't touch their toes, but just obviously we're always looking at the data. Uh last one, okay, last one for today, anyway. Right, what is the difference between older golfers, say 70, 80-year-olds, and the stuff you do with us? Right. Uh if you go to uh if anyone's ever heard of the FMS or SFMA, which is obviously what's included in what we do, there's a guy called Mike Boyle, he's like strength coach, and he has a theory that for your age, that percentage of your program should be on mobility. So if you're an 80-year-old, 80% of your program should be mobility, and then you can do your strength and speed and power stuff on top, but 80% would be mobility. The reason for that is because you lose mobility as you get older. A lot of the time, it's not uh just lifestyle or age, it's a lack of movement, like say with what we do with the 60-second stretches and hold them in like random positions or distracting the joint and doing things like that. So that's how it'd be more mobility-based, but it is a case-by-case basis because there are some people. So imagine there'd be some eight-year-olds that don't do any fitness, have never done any fitness, that their mobility and stability is shot to bits, and that's where the focus needs to be. But there are other eight-year-olds that have played tennis, played golf, continue to do go into the gym into their 80s and their version of gym, whatever it may be, and they'll have an underlying level of mobility and stability, and then it won't necessarily be that. But that would be what you would do. Um you would focus on that. It would still be the same screen. So now if you're thinking about this for someone you know and all that lot, it would still be the same screen, you would still want to know if there's a pain marker, because obviously, plane changes motor controls. So if they've got pain doing a certain movement, we need to try and remove that pain first. Um, but yeah, you still can work on streams, still still can work on speed, you can still can work on power. Um, and it it and also as well, it depends on what the goals are and the results they're trying to get. So, a 40-year-old golfer, if I get them 5% increase on their hip internal rotation so they can load into that hip more, they will see more power, they will see a benefit. If someone's 80 and I give them 5% internal rotation more on their hip and they had none, they will feel like they're completely different. They feel like they have a new body because they've gone from zero to five percent rather than you know 38 to 43 percent, something like that. So, yeah, with older golfers, still the same screen, still the same setup. We have the pain markers. If you're paying, you you do the SFMA and we check each joint individually, and we want to know where the uh cause of the pain rather than just the site of the pain. Anything for speed, power, and mobility, again, it's the same unbreakable mobility stability first, get that, find out what a restriction is, try and fix that, then strength, then speed, then power. Um, but ultimately it's on their goals. So if someone doesn't want to put in 15 minutes a day to get better, and they want to put in five minutes a day or 30 seconds a day, and they're old and they're really sort of restricted in the chest, it could just be breathing or focus on breathing. Right, coffee questions done for Tuesday. Good luck, see you in the group.