Episode 227: The LOST Fish’n Canada Episodes

This week on Outdoor Journal Radio, the boys head back to Northern Ontario for a wild recap of their trip to Red Pine Lodge on Ivanhoe Lake, just outside of Timmins.

What started as a post-spawn walleye mission turned into a 34-mile shallow river run through skinny water, tight channels, and a few moments where the boat probably had no business being where it was. With the help of Garmin electronics, the crew pushed deep into the river system and found exactly what they were looking for: blue walleye, regular walleye, smallmouth bass, pike, and one seriously memorable honey hole.

The episode also covers new Fish’n Canada species hoodies, the legal side of leaving skin on pike fillets, grass carp awareness, Idaho’s new hunting tech rules, and some classic behind-the-scenes stories from 40 years of filming Fish’n Canada, including forgotten cameras, lost footage, brutal weather, and the eagle shot that got away.

If you like Northern Ontario fishing stories, walleye talk, old-school outdoor TV chaos, and a little bit of questionable decision-making in shallow water, this one’s for you.

Drop a comment and let us know: what fish species should be next in the Fish’n Canada hoodie lineup?

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:22

This episode of Outdoor Journal Radio is brought to you in part by the Invasive Species Center, protecting Canada's land and water from invasive species. Freedom Cruise Canada, rent the boat, own the memories, and JMB Cycle a Marine, your home for all things power sports, boats, and equipment.

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And now, another exciting episode in the adventures of Outdoor Journal Radio.

SPEAKER_03 0:59

Hello there. Thank you for joining us. I'm my mic is a little low. I'm I'm drooping in the mic. So low. You're drooping, buddy. There you go.

SPEAKER_06 1:06

Hey, it's been an ongoing thing for a while, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03 1:09

It has. I tightened it up. I don't know why it's not staying. So, so uh Hi Angelo. This week we're gonna talk about a recent road trip where we were supposed to do a podcast from, but we got waylaid, so we're kind of doing it post. Uh a trip to uh Red Pine Lodge on Ivanhoe Lake.

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Up near Timmins, close to Timmins, Ontario.

SPEAKER_03 1:34

To the uh west of Timmins, uh I'd say uh sort slightly northwest of Timmins, about an hour. Right on. Lovely area. Yeah, wonderful time.

SPEAKER_06 1:43

We like the Timmins area now. We've just been getting onto it lately, and it's uh one can't get enough of it. Hell yeah. I may move up there. Hell yeah.

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Give me a hell yeah!

SPEAKER_06 1:52

I just said that. You have to time repeat me, Steve Austin, all the time. Jeez, come on, give a guy a break.

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Anyways, uh, they got uh great fishing there to say the least. Obviously, a trophy, walleye, pike, whitefish, perch. They got everything in there. Wow. So we'll talk about that in depth in just a moment. But first, I believe we have some changes coming down the pipe now that we can actually talk about uh for the store fishingcanada.com. Uh the store.

SPEAKER_06 2:24

Changes.

SPEAKER_03 2:25

I think you would be right. Shop.fishingcanada.com.

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Shop.fishingcanada.com has some new stuff coming, and we've been talking about it. Okay. And you lucky viewers are going to get a little insight as to what that is. And it's right up there on the screen right now.

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So the podcast, the listeners aren't going to get the discussion.

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Listen, listeners, you should make most of your way over. Well, you know what? I think we got video now on Spotify and Apple and YouTube. So if you're listening to you should be able to see it too. Look at us. So here's the important stuff you need to know.

SPEAKER_06 2:56

Okay, talk to us, Nikki.

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All of the species hoodies, if you have one or if you've seen them already, you got a smaller fish. So we've doubled the size of all the fish on these hoodies.

SPEAKER_06 3:05

We like big fish. Everybody likes big fish.

SPEAKER_02 3:10

Right. But two, if you look in the bottom on that screen there, the muskie has gotten a total revamp. It looks way better. The colors are cooler. It's gonna be on this really awesome dark brown hoodie that's uh just breathtaking. And then we got the largemouth hoodie. Now we've had a largemouth hoodie since the inception of the species hoodies, but we've done some really cool artwork with our team in the house.

SPEAKER_03 3:33

I have to stop you for just a moment there because I'm looking at at the colors here. So the muskie, a hoodie color, looks awfully close to the walleye.

SPEAKER_06 3:43

I was thinking the same thing. Similar, okay.

SPEAKER_02 3:45

The walleye is is definitely lighter. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 3:48

I'm just saying it looks like you said a really dark brown, and that's not really dark. That's not true. It is a dark brown. It's like a horse ship brown right there.

SPEAKER_02 3:55

It's not well, Peter, a horse ship brown by some would be considered dark. Depends on what the horse ate. Depending on what the horse ate, exactly. You, my friend, maybe consider the horse's ass for introducing horse. However, the largemouth is one that I'm really excited about because it was probably our least detailed fish that we had ever put out, and now it might be one of our most. The stitching of it is just gonna be incredible.

SPEAKER_06 4:17

Literally, the hoodies are gonna look just like that. Like they've got to be a little bit more. It should look just like that.

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It's not gonna be a screen print, it'll be uh embroidered right here in Ontario. Young maidens, young maidens. Not quite young maidens, but you know just a largemouth one, you guys. And if you're listening, my grandfather thinks you're a young maiden, so maybe take me your hand package, but I don't know about a young maiden. Um, and brand new to the game, we got two brand new species. We got smallmouth bass.

SPEAKER_06 4:45

Oh we never had a small eight. We never had a small gate. Right.

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And then we got the gator, the pike, which has been requested now for about a year.

SPEAKER_06 4:55

That might be my favorite coming up, boys.

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Uh it's gonna be a two-tone hoodie. Oh, I like that. So it's gonna have the arms, which is the same color as our largemouth, and the body is the same color as the rainbow. So it's this really cool two-tone the gray and green? Gray and green with the cool green-looking pike, and it's gonna it's gonna be awesome. It's gonna be something really special.

SPEAKER_06 5:15

Gray and green goes good together?

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They look really good.

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It looks really good. If he says they do, they must.

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You look at them right there, and the the rainbow and uh the large you're kind of touching there, you kind of see them out there.

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They kind of work, you know. You can see the colors, you can see the vision, but these hoodies are gonna be awesome. Our new revised ones, I mean, they've all gotten a slight revision, but those bottom four have really we've dumped some heart and soul into them.

SPEAKER_03 5:40

I'm thinking both the smally is the best.

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Yeah, the smally's on a most total color.

SPEAKER_03 5:45

It's on a mouth. The color of the hoodie, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_05 5:48

Do you predict uh the old one being dethroned?

SPEAKER_03 5:52

I D I did predict the walleye being number one, and it was. So now you're asking me to make another prediction, aren't you?

SPEAKER_02 5:58

Yeah, you're like uh Nost uh Quasimodo or Notre Damus or whatever, whoever's gonna be like, Quasimodo.

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That was a hunchback in older name.

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Look like Quasimodo, think like Notre Damist, it's all the same.

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Quasimodo is quite the philosopher uh uh predictor, ladies and gentlemen.

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Oh my god. I'm going to, Dino, because you you said that I am gonna go out in the limb a little bit here. Uh uh. Oh my. I am gonna go out in the limb a little bit, and I'm gonna say that for this this particular season that we're in, I think that the new walleye hoodie will be number one.

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Our our third rendition.

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What's the difference? Uh massive. Oh, yeah, the fish is different.

SPEAKER_02 6:44

Yeah, the new walleye, the fish has been it's got a lot more detail in it now. All the fish are now seemingly more detailed now that they've been blown up, which is a big up. Yeah, yeah. Um, we also add a little glint to the walleye's eye, so it looks a lot more walleye. Has a walleye. Has a walleye.

SPEAKER_03 6:59

Oh yeah, see? So it's so I'm predicting it's going to outperform last year's walleye. Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 7:07

Interesting. And as a result, our old species hoodies are going to be phased out. Very, you know, there's still a couple kicking back there. So, you know, fret not if let's say you decide you hate this new version and you want to, you know, write into me, we can figure out if we have one still left in your size.

SPEAKER_03 7:24

If I may ask. Well, depends on the question. Are you saying that the old black hoodie, walleye hoodie, is gone?

SPEAKER_02 7:33

I do believe that it will be phased out. Oh, wow. It is I can see people wanting that.

SPEAKER_06 7:38

Yeah, I see. I like I like the black species hoodies too. All right, all right.

SPEAKER_02 7:42

Well then maybe we'll update it then. I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 7:45

See that you could update it with all uh any and all.

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Here's what I want you to do, though, our loyal listeners. Oh, here's the case. No, not that. Oh, the countess.

SPEAKER_03 7:54

The countess is on her way. Don't say anything about ordering. There's no sales, everybody.

SPEAKER_06 7:57

There's nothing's on sale right now. It's all regular price. Regular price. Exactly. Go on, hurry up, Monique. Get out of here.

SPEAKER_02 8:03

So, as I was saying, um, what I want you guys to do, because obviously now we got these eight species, and they're all really cool, and they all have a lot designed into them. Yes. But we like hearing from you guys. Yes. And what you guys like. Right. So in the comments, I want you guys to come to a conclusion as to what species you guys want to see next. And in one of our last videos, we got word on a lake trout.

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I gotcha. I gotcha.

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But there's, you know, a million different species of fish out there. There's a million of you guys out there. So, you know, let's hear what do you guys think. What species would you want to see next on hoodies? You know, let us know more.

SPEAKER_06 8:38

Can I make a suggestion? I can. And it's going to be very it's going to be kind of limited, but you might sell a lot in a certain area. I know. How about a striper? Oh, yeah. Every new pity. Easy, up easy, come there, boy.

SPEAKER_02 8:52

Bow to the bass, Peter. Bow to the bass. Wow.

SPEAKER_06 8:54

And it would look pretty good, too. A striper, all those perfect stripes and an easy one to replicate.

SPEAKER_03 8:59

Um Wow. I think you might be onto something. I think that needs to be done. I think it just might be. Make it so, uh number one. All right. Can we do the show now? Is anybody mind if we do the show? All rise. The countess is walking through again.

SPEAKER_06 9:16

Oh, have a good weekend. Have a good weekend. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 9:19

Countess is on her way out. Good for her. That's per usual. I like it. God bless her.

SPEAKER_06 9:24

Membership has its privilege, right?

SPEAKER_03 9:26

Oh, does it ever have its privileges? Let me tell you. Um, yeah. So let's move along, shall we? That was the store. Done. The store is done. Listener feedback. Done and did. Listener feedback. In response to our How to Filet a Pike video, which was, by the way, uh, am I right? Does that that's now the all-time? It's getting there. No, it's getting there. No, it's not the all-time.

SPEAKER_06 9:50

It's up in that, it's top ten for sure. Top three. Top three. So it's it's working its way up. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:56

Yeah. So it's one of our quickly.

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We did the other one we did just on social is our number two ever. Five million views or something. It's like, yeah, and it's a flight pike two with red up there. The original one. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. They they do so well.

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And and how's this one doing? This one's at 72,000 views on YouTube. YouTube views. Oh, YouTube views. Um, and that is only 3,000 off of our second video. Wow. So it's uh, and I believe as last week or a few days ago, it was only at 68,000. Did we put this one up on any other um this one's about 12 minutes long? It's a much more in-depth guide. This is more of a guide on how to actually fillet a northern pike. Well, what was the other one? Red, he just did it. He filleted it in like a minute and a half. Yeah, remember? We were on the diamond. It was like a sushi chef for Christ's sake.

SPEAKER_06 10:43

Yeah, it was quite these these uh social pieces have to be three minutes, the reels, less than three minutes. Yeah, less than three minutes. There's a little bit more.

SPEAKER_03 10:48

Maybe we could uh cut this one down to three minutes, no?

SPEAKER_06 10:51

It was shot horizontally, and there's a lot of you know, we shot it for YouTube this one.

SPEAKER_03 10:56

So anyways, it's doing extremely well, and uh therefore I'm a little surprised um that um I'm that this question hadn't come up sooner, actually. And that is about the uh on that video uh at some point mention was made of leaving the skin on uh leaving a piece of the skin on the fillet. Correct, correct.

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And John so John Moffat was explaining he does uh just before transport. Uh John who did the uh filleting for us up at Buck Lake Lodge says he says if you do the five fillet method, you have to leave a piece of skin on all five pieces, is what he's saying, versus two if you're just traveling, like normally two fillets with skin on it. And the then the reason you do it is just as a matter of legality. So you have to you have to have fish identifiable to the game wardens if they indeed pull you over. And the only way it can be identifiable and prove it is if it's attached to the meat still. If it's just sitting there, a piece of skin beside the fillet, the game board's gonna say, No, that don't work, pal. You know, you're gonna you couldn't have got this anywhere anytime.

SPEAKER_03 12:04

And you can't blame them, uh especially folks who are traveling with a lot of fillets and pieces of fish from a long, you know, you know, you get 10, 12 guys together going on a fishing trip into Algonquin Park, and they're coming out with if they put one cooler together with all fish, exactly, and yeah, and therefore if you're cutting that fillet into pieces, yeah, it's gotta have a chunk of skin on it somewhere to be identified. And I I like you said, I agree. Otherwise, uh it's anarchy. Yeah, yeah. I mean, anybody can just chop stuff up and say, oh, no, no, that's uh that's a wall I had got there with like no, yeah, you gotta have it.

SPEAKER_06 12:39

And if you had accidentally had a another species of I don't know, I guess I don't know how you'd have it, but if you had a mix-up species and you had a piece of lake trout when you're in with your wall, you're saying uh that's lake trout skin, and that's a wall. I know that's not a lake trout fillet, you know, and hence why it has to be attached. That's right.

SPEAKER_03 12:55

That's you can't just have a piece of uh I don't know, uh uh trout uh skin. One by one square. You know, and then throw that in the in the box with all the trout pieces.

SPEAKER_06 13:08

A little safety pin on there. And you have to keep your fillets very recognizable when they're packaged too, so in a cooler. You can't have them all bunched together and frozen because then the game orders can't see the skin again. So there has to be, you know, an extent if you're gonna freeze dry them or or uh vacuum seal them, flattened out and very recognizable. You can just look at it like that. Yep, very good. That's good, that's good, looks like it's attached. Thank you very much. So and I like John's method of in that video. You should check it out. Oh, because his method is it's it's very easy to leave a big chunk of skin, he leaves a big chunk of skin on there. But it's only attached to a little part of the fish, but he leaves a big chunk on there, so it's so easy. And I never even thought of doing that. I always gotta get this little E square there. Yeah, whatever, but you don't need to. So check it out.

SPEAKER_05 13:49

How do they uh check it out, Dino? What do they need to do? On our YouTube channel, if you sort by most popular, you'll see it up at the top. But if not, uh you scroll a little bit down, it's called How to Fillet a Pike. It's pretty easy.

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There you go.

SPEAKER_05 14:01

Pretty easy.

SPEAKER_03 14:02

Uh I was getting confused with the other how to fillet why thing, but we'll do that at another date. All right. Alrighty. Conservation corner. La carpe de grasse. Le carpe, Le Carpe de Grasse.

SPEAKER_06 14:17

I like that. Ah, well, grass is not. The carp might be carpe in French, but uh I don't think grass is. And anyway.

SPEAKER_03 14:23

I think that that's one of those, probably those are one of those words that has been Englicized.

SPEAKER_06 14:28

Well, we just did her, didn't we?

SPEAKER_03 14:29

Le carpe on the outdoor. Carpe de grasse.

SPEAKER_06 14:32

It sounds almost like food. How can I get some carp de grasse?

SPEAKER_02 14:38

According to Google Translate, it's carp herbivore. Herbivore. Carp herbivore.

SPEAKER_03 14:44

Yeah. Elv. Herbivore.

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Elbivore is air, that's grass. Yeah, because there's no, you can't say the H, right? No carp. No H? No H. Comehan. Come Han, man. So carp herbivore.

SPEAKER_06 15:00

It's an herbivore. It's a herbivore.

SPEAKER_03 15:03

Rose by any other name would uh smell as sweet, right? Talking about the grass carp. Yeah. And this uh is brought to you by the good folks at the invasive species center, not to be confused with invasive carp.ca, which is their I'd be confused if that was written on my script here, Angelo. Dean Invasive Carp.ca uh by the invasive species.

SPEAKER_06 15:26

He's writing down notes right now. He's adding it in for two next one.

SPEAKER_03 15:30

I think I'm having a deja vu moment. Did we not do that?

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Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:35

We did, Angelo. You're right. So as we speak, as this uh as this podcast uh is being consumed, I would think we're all pretty much into full fishing mode, with maybe the odd exception.

SPEAKER_06 15:50

You're right.

SPEAKER_03 15:53

So everything is done, everything is open, we've gone exploring uh shallow waters, we've gone looking in big deep flats and humps and stuff. So we should have probably those of us who were in the know, and the ones who were in the know are the ones who have gone to invasivecarp.ca and uh and uh downloaded the information of the grass carp because I have been on the lookout. Let me tell you, personally, I have been on the lookout. I'm hoping to find one, I'm hoping to see one because I'd like to challenge myself, to be honest with you. I'd like to challenge myself to see if I can instantly identify that son of a gun.

SPEAKER_06 16:36

Oh, I think you'd either I think you'd be. Or whether I can say, wait, wait, what is that what I think it what you know? So you're saying in the water, like from here, five, seven feet away, ten feet away. I want to I want to see if if I can uh because looking down at the back of a fish, a lot of times you can't tell, right? Exactly. You gotta see the profile, you gotta see the scale patterns.

SPEAKER_03 16:52

I'm hoping that by now I've got it, but I still carry on me the downloaded.

SPEAKER_06 16:57

That little fin might be a uh you give away, that little dorsal fin. It's kind of a weird looking one.

SPEAKER_03 17:01

Well, you look at it from the top, though, it's hard to it's hard to get stigmash, right? Yeah, um but anyways, everybody that's fishing should be uh on top of this by now, uh certainly in this part of the world. If you get a chance, scoop them up with a net.

SPEAKER_06 17:14

If you got a big net, scoop them up.

SPEAKER_03 17:16

I wonder if you could.

SPEAKER_06 17:17

Yeah, if you put it in front of his face, you could.

SPEAKER_03 17:19

I wonder if you could, that'd be cool.

SPEAKER_06 17:20

Yeah, what the heck? If he stayed there, if he was a surface, you know, if he's up floating on the surface and just kind of dormant or something like that.

SPEAKER_03 17:26

Well, well, that's what happened to that uh the big the biggest one that's been caught so far was exactly that. They were able to net it. Yeah. Because it was, for whatever reason, uh kind of uh stunned on the surface. Yeah. Thirty-four thirty-four pounds, I think. Big I can't remember. He looked even bigger than that.

SPEAKER_06 17:44

Even bigger now? Through a musky net for that guy. Yeah. Good God. There you go.

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SPEAKER_06 18:26

Yeah, you know, they wanted to shorten it up. They're shortened like myself.

SPEAKER_03 18:36

In the news, Idaho. Idaho bans trail cameras on public land. Wow. That shouldn't be overly surprising, I suppose. I mean, in some cases, I've heard all kinds of stories where neighbors have had issues with other neighbors uh where their yards are are kind of, you know, uh without fences and stuff, and putting up cameras all over the place.

SPEAKER_06 19:01

So they're putting them out like uh just off the property line or something like that. And yeah, I guess you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_03 19:05

And people are thinking, well, that's an intrusion upon my privacy, and I would like it to come down. And I guess there was enough of that type of uh language that the news or the uh uh lawmakers uh saw fit to uh in this particular case in Idaho to ban all trail cams.

SPEAKER_06 19:25

So all trail cams in public. On public lands. Public lands, yeah. Yeah, of course the private lands not. Because it's a big part of hunting nowadays, right? Trail cams are a very big part of uh well, Dean, he he uses for his turn hunting. Yeah, I watch them all year.

SPEAKER_03 19:38

It's not just for hunting, though. I mean, trail cams are being used for all sorts of surveillance of wildlife. No, that might be the nature.

SPEAKER_06 19:44

Look at it in your girlfriend's window, your ex-girlfriend's window there.

SPEAKER_03 19:47

That's a bit of wildlife there if you're checking out. She's running a wildlife, you want to watch it, right? You could make an argument on that one. I gotta see that. If you really want to. But you know, they use them for all kinds of things. I mean, how many how many times have we stared at a screen that's that's you know, a camera looking at a falcon nest on the ledge of a big building stuff? Well, that's that's the same thing. Same idea, right? Yeah, it it's it's happening uh all over the place uh to view nature, which on the surface there's nothing wrong with that. But I can also see where it might infringe on somebody's rights. Um that that that maybe doesn't want to be seen on camera in the woods. You know, if he's if he's hiking, trailing, or running, like you said, or taking a timber ship. Well, there's that too, or maybe just not supposed to be there or with whomever he they're there with.

SPEAKER_06 20:39

I'm starting to see where you're going with this again. Just saying.

SPEAKER_05 20:42

I thought the interesting part of this too was they cited fair chase for most, so they also banned uh thermal imaging um and drones for like for hunting purposes, um, which I was surprised if they weren't banned already, but that's the language in here. Um But the the use of fair chase to ban it is interesting to me because that sets precedent, you would think, for other states and provinces to start looking, even in the f fishing world. You hear anglers like Muskie Anglers, for example, who don't like live scope, they'll cite fair chase because they view their sport as more of a hunt. And they view live scope as you know, it's not fair chase because normally the fish can retreat to deep water where you can't find them, and now it's now you're able to find them. So I could see this as kind of spilling into our world a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 21:32

Yeah, yeah, for sure. And that's the problem. It's a slippery slope because once you start getting down this road, it's hard to say Mon back. You know come on back here. Let's let's suck that one back. It's it's very tricky. I I um there's gotta be though a way of controlling this stuff on public property. I mean, you know Okay, so why? Why would I have to encroach on somebody's privacy? I'm talking public lands now. Right. What would be the reason that I would want to have to put a camera on public lands?

SPEAKER_05 22:17

Well, normally it's people who are hunting public land who are putting the land on the other hand.

SPEAKER_06 22:20

Right, but I get what Angel's saying. If it was just that, it'd be okay. It's all right. But there's maybe there's more reasonings there. There's something like that.

SPEAKER_05 22:27

Well, they're citing fair chase, though. That's why they're banning it.

SPEAKER_03 22:30

But but how can they distinguish between a uh camera that's been put up because somebody is hunting deer on that sector of land versus somebody who is genuinely being a dick about it and peeping Tom or whatever the case may be?

SPEAKER_06 22:45

Like there has to be motivation. This world is so screwed right now. There's got to be that shit going on, right?

SPEAKER_03 22:52

Somebody wants to see what the neighbor's doing or something.

SPEAKER_06 22:54

I don't know. What about uh Dean? You might know this. What about camera theft? Is that a big thing? Trail camera theft?

SPEAKER_05 22:59

So I've heard of stories mostly on public land because basically when you're hunting public land, it's first come, first serve in terms of spots, like dog hunting and stuff like that. Yeah, like I know people who put tree stands up on public land and stuff, and that's allowed. Um so it I found with both tree stands and trail cams that people leave on public land, people will if will vandalize them if they want to hunt that area. It's not super common, but if you know if I got to a spot I've hunted for 20 years and I noticed there's a camera there, I mean you're not gonna be happy that someone just came in and put that up. Right. Um not saying I would vandalize it, but people do.

SPEAKER_06 23:40

It's people, it's a nature of people. Some people.

SPEAKER_03 23:43

Yeah. That has nothing to do with what we're talking about. No, no, I just thought I just thought that's an afterthought.

SPEAKER_06 23:47

That's what they're doing, though.

SPEAKER_03 23:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 23:49

It's an afterthought.

SPEAKER_03 23:50

Yeah, it's it's you know what?

SPEAKER_06 23:51

Because on private land it won't I mean, it's private, right? Then then then you're probably the only guy that gets to hunt there anyways.

SPEAKER_03 23:58

But if somebody vandalizes something up private, then there's a whole other issue that that comes into play because that's totally a little bit of a lot of people.

SPEAKER_06 24:04

A lot of other issues, yeah, trespassing included.

SPEAKER_03 24:07

Exactly. So I mean the the question is uh do we agree or disagree with uh this new ruling in um Idaho that bans trail cans on public land. I and I and if we're gonna vote on it, I'm gonna say yes. Only because Is Idaho Democratic?

SPEAKER_06 24:28

Or are they Republican?

SPEAKER_03 24:29

Who's that? Idaho. I don't know. The state of Idaho. Well, that's a great question.

SPEAKER_06 24:36

Maybe a Democratic thing, you never know.

SPEAKER_03 24:38

But I would say, yeah, you got to because there's no way of ensuring that that camera is being put out for its intended use, and that is to, you know, for a hunter to to uh kind of see what's going on.

SPEAKER_05 24:53

But they're banning it for that use specifically, that's why they're doing it. They're signing fairly.

SPEAKER_03 24:59

Well, they can't say, okay, we're banning all peeping tom cameras that uh we're up to the case.

SPEAKER_05 25:04

No, they're saying we're banning hunters from using it because it's not fair chase. Right.

SPEAKER_03 25:10

So like that's the only thing they can go by.

SPEAKER_05 25:12

Yeah, but they're not worried about like the peeping tom thing. They're not concerned about it at all. They're worried about hunters using these cameras.

SPEAKER_03 25:16

So peeping tom can still put one up, though. He's okay? As long as he marches. Well, that's never for hunted anyway. Exactly. Exactly. So the only thing they can do now is to get rid of these things. There's the only that's the only out. They have to get rid of and I'm sure that it's it it doesn't specify trail cameras only. You think I think yeah, this is just related to hunting. So if I put uh GoPro on a stick in Idaho for hunting purposes under this law, that would be a problem.

SPEAKER_05 25:51

If it's not for hunting purposes under the body, and how do they know it's for hunting purposes? I mean, it's just like if you're fishing out a season for pike, they would know based on the bait you're using, what you're doing in the context of it. Like there would be a more of an investigation. Like if you said, Oh, I'm fishing for perch, but you're throwing a big spinnerbait.

SPEAKER_06 26:10

Six-inch spoon.

SPEAKER_03 26:11

You can only have you seen some of the perch up at uh Athers Athersley Narrows in the spring. Um yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 26:26

I'm not liking it. Anyways, I'm not liking no, I'm not liking what they're doing. I I think you should be allowed to. If you're hunting, if that round ground is around for hunting there, they're allowing hunting there, then you should allow trail camps too. That's my it's not your property.

SPEAKER_03 26:39

And where do you draw the line? Right. If they've gone this far, they've got to it's it is what it is. I mean, my only fear is that where does the where do other jurisdictions go from this? Because we've seen that snowball in uh in other areas where you know, unless a tiny small community takes a stand and then all of a sudden, yeah. Oh yeah, whoa.

SPEAKER_06 27:00

What state's Ted Nugent from, Dean? It's one of the northern U.S. states, right? I think he's from Michigan. He'll he'll fight that tooth and nail out. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 27:10

So anything else that we can't do on public land? Do you say that uh putting up um a tree stand is okay?

SPEAKER_05 27:18

I think they have to be take taken down at a certain time of year, but yeah, you can you can definitely build them too. On public land.

SPEAKER_06 27:26

Yep. Yeah, and that and that means anybody can use it. You gotta be first, even if you built it, if somebody's there behead of you, they can use it. Yeah. Right? Be a little bit of a fight there. I wouldn't want to fight with the weaponry, but but yeah. Yeah, I wonder you're you know I know where you're going where you're thinking here. What can't you?

SPEAKER_03 27:43

What can't you do? On public what can't what as a non-hunter, and this has got nothing to do with being a non-hunter here, uh this argument, but as a non-hunter now, what can I do on public land that I could take a stand on? If if if you're allowed to put trail cans up, if you're allowed to build a tree stand, if you're allowed to put a blind up, if you're allowed to shoot animals. If you're allowed to shoot animals, if you're allowed to to dump food in that area, I mean all these things that, you know, hunting uh is part is part of hunting. Well, then I should be able to do stuff, shouldn't I? Shouldn't I be able to run my four by four and my snowmobile? Shouldn't I be able to run it on Yeah, you can do it.

SPEAKER_06 28:34

I think you can unless there's a law for, I guess. Even without a trail? Yep. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:39

I can just run up. Snowmobiles in public land?

SPEAKER_06 28:42

Sure, you can.

SPEAKER_05 28:42

Anywhere I want. Yep. Okay. Hiking, camping, whatever you want. You can pick the mushrooms.

SPEAKER_06 28:49

Ooh. Ricky would like that. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 28:54

That's the beauty of it. Anyways, it's uh food for thought. We need to keep our minds open.

SPEAKER_06 28:59

Be careful out there, people. They're coming after us. Coming after us.

SPEAKER_03 29:04

Oh, sure. Put the fear of God into people. That's what you need to do.

SPEAKER_06 29:07

Oh no. The people that they don't need the fear, they already know.

SPEAKER_03 29:11

I know it's kind of a isn't it kind of a wide open state in terms of uh of their thinking? Wildlife, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 29:25

They have lots of hunting and fishing, yes, for opportunities, that's for sure. I know that a lot of that goes on.

SPEAKER_03 29:29

I can understand California, but yeah, exactly. But uh yeah. Anyways, uh very interesting article. Uh certainly thought provoking, if nothing else, uh, but worth keeping an eye on. We've been down this road before with you know what we deem to be oh, it's just a little something. Don't worry about it.

SPEAKER_06 29:47

Next thing you know, it's you stay on it for us, Dino, please. We need to know. We need to keep on this.

SPEAKER_03 29:53

Come on now, and as a multi-page, too. Holy message.

SPEAKER_06 29:55

Why'd the baggie?

SPEAKER_03 29:56

You had uh we're not really doing justice at all, are we? Holy It'll be on the site. Oh, it's on uh fishingcanada.com, right? It'll be there, yeah. Well then folks need to go there and check it out if they still do that. Quite extensive, yeah. Very extensive. Uh did you write this or did you just steal it, rip it off like everything else?

SPEAKER_05 30:15

It's not an exclusive story.

SPEAKER_03 30:17

Oh, all right.

SPEAKER_05 30:18

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Fan question of the week. Uh this week's question uh comes uh submitted by at JJ Canoe via YouTube.

SPEAKER_06 31:04

YouTube.

SPEAKER_03 31:05

The YouTube JJ Canoe at JJ Canoe.

SPEAKER_06 31:09

Possibility of uh a possibility of a contender.

SPEAKER_03 31:12

Contends. JJ says, hey guys, love the show and the podcast. Well, thank you. I mean, you could almost award him a win just on that, but it's not a question.

SPEAKER_06 31:22

Yeah, I should have just put a question in the podcast? That's all he had to say.

SPEAKER_03 31:25

In the question, in the podcast. Uh keep up the great work. My question is here we go. After 40 years on the air, are there any lost episodes of the Fish in Canada show or outdoor journal uh out there that couldn't be aired for some reason? Like a dispute with the lodge owner or horrible weather, bad fishing, technical oh boy, technical difficulties. We had a few of those, or other situations beyond your control, etc. I'd love to hear any stories that you have. Thanks. That's a very good question. And and I think that uh that it would be worthy of uh some love, Nikki.

SPEAKER_00 32:10

Give me a hell yeah! I think so.

SPEAKER_02 32:12

Hell yeah. I think that it's perfect timing for someone to win something to the store with these new hoodies coming out. Oh, so JJ. JJ Canoe. What you need to do is you need to write into me. Now you can email. However, our email gets flooded. We have a lot of stuff going in there. So if you want to make sure that we see your verification of yourself, what you gotta do is message us on Instagram or on Facebook and you know, show us a picture of your account that you're signed into it. Be like, hey, I'm JJ Canoe. Uh, you guys read my question on episode whatever episode number this is, I can't remember off the top of my head. And uh, I want my fifty dollars to the store, please. And I will say, okay, here's your fifty dollars to the store. There you go. And then that's it.

SPEAKER_03 32:58

How did you prove it? I was gonna say, I can see a thousand guys right now. So, I'm gonna show up here.

SPEAKER_02 33:05

So, like on YouTube, for example, the where he left this comment, yes, you can go into YouTube and click onto your account and it shows that you are signed into that account. Right. That's what I need to see. Uh double up on it. You're not gonna go show me this one, you're not gonna get the money.

SPEAKER_03 33:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 33:23

Pretty sad world now when email is ousted by Facebook and Instagram too, though. Messaging.

SPEAKER_02 33:28

Well, to be fair, this isn't the email world. We're in the podcast multiverse.

SPEAKER_06 33:33

I know, but email is kind of the way of the world right now, is it not? Texting versus phone calls, then email.

SPEAKER_02 33:40

Email has its place in perfection. No, no, no. It's it's very much so still used for when you got to be a little more perfectional, but uh, you know, this is a little less perfectional. This is just, you know, us giving a little uh I just wondering it's just kind of weird.

SPEAKER_06 33:55

A hoogie giveaway. Where are we going next, right? And the boys were using WhatsApp for that last.

SPEAKER_03 34:03

Uh so to answer JJ's question. So first of all, there have been so many uh technical difficulties throughout the 40 years. Scary. Can't even start to tell you. But you know what? I think we've always managed to We try to our best to forecast, right? Right.

SPEAKER_06 34:21

Remember even last remember uh at Nordic Point Lodge, first day out in the boat, all the the fuse broke in the fuse holder that one day, and there was a remember that we had a pile of stuff go on in there, and the must show must go on and broke a windshield, and that we we we didn't end up shooting stuff. Stuff goes on all the time that people have no idea. Yeah, we don't tell.

SPEAKER_03 34:39

Didn't we blow the motor off the front of the boat?

SPEAKER_06 34:42

It got loose, it didn't come off, but it started getting loose. The bolts are started letting go all in the same chute. Yeah, yeah. We took half a day for that. We lost half a day shooting with all that stuff for sure. Didn't have a net with us, didn't have a net, but that was okay because you found one uh quite conveniently. Quite conveniently on that shoe. To this day, people think we set that up. I know. I know, but I and I said we swear, I s honest to God, on my family's life, it's uh it is the truest thing that ever happened. And the crazy one of the craziest things that ever happened. Um, I remember Manitoba many, many years ago uh with Todd, and he had the camera all apart on a rock in the middle of nowhere, betacam. Had to dry it out because it got wet and it wasn't working, and it came back after a couple hours and we put her back together and boom, we were shooting pickerel shows again. Oh, yeah, it was there's a few of them.

SPEAKER_05 35:30

You guys lost some in northern Rockies too on a walleye lake, right? Didn't you have no?

SPEAKER_06 35:35

I just lost the foot the footage with pecker heads.

SPEAKER_03 35:38

Yeah, just the cameraman wasn't rolling. Oh and his answer was well, gee, boss, you got all kinds of other walleye. Why like what do you think? That's the double header from uh North BC?

SPEAKER_06 35:49

Yeah, it was the biggest, yeah, the biggest single fish had a double header or something like that.

SPEAKER_03 35:53

Biggest fish, but the worst for that one, the worst for that was our very first year in BC. Once again, BC kind of brings the best out of people. Uh, I think I've said this before, I've mentioned this story before, but I guess it kind of falls into this category. The um we we wanted to get one of those beautiful, majestic shots of that eagle, that bald eagle coming down, you know, in slow-mo and swooping a fish with its big talons up out of the water and the water dripping, you know, that you know that shot, right? Yeah, and those things don't come easy, like you've got to do a lot of work setting it up.

SPEAKER_06 36:30

So National Geographic will take 14 days to get that shot.

SPEAKER_03 36:33

Exactly. So we're setting this shot up. The guide that we were with knew uh of an eagle that was uh pretty consistent as to where it would feed, and so we went out to that place, that area, and sure as hell, that there's the bird up in the perch up in the tree. It's almost like he was waiting for us. And um, so we had to catch some some uh uh rockfish, they called them yellow eyed rockfish, yellow eyed rockfish. And so when you bring they're fairly deep, uh when you bring them up, they they die them pretty much when they hit the surface, and which is perfect. They also bloat up, and so it's perfect because then you can throw this out to the eagle, and the eagle will come off and down and swoop up that fish, and it's just beautiful. So we we get we had this all set up, and um the damn eagle wasn't listening. He's on strike, he wasn't listening, you know, throw it out there, and and and this fish was even like doing that little twitch too. The topwater twitch. Exactly, which is perfect. I'm thinking, oh my god, okay. I'm saying to the cameraman. His name was Mark Henry, by the way.

SPEAKER_06 37:45

Oh my god, that's a long time. Oh, I will never forget.

SPEAKER_03 37:48

Oh, yeah, I will never forget that name. And I said, okay, Mark, so what's gonna happen? You see that eagle up there in that tree? Well, at some point, that eagle's gonna come down and he's gonna swoosh down on that. See that red red fish there on the surface over there? Yep, I see it. Okay, well, the eagle's gonna come down, swoosh, and then he's gonna just get those big claws into it, and he's gonna lift it up out of the water, and it's gonna come dripping down. And I want you, I want you to follow that eagle down into the water, and then just as he gets that fish, I want you to pull it back a little bit and expose this magnificent lifting motion. You got that?

SPEAKER_01 38:26

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I got that.

unknown 38:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 38:28

So I remember I know that I wasn't there, but I remember the story.

SPEAKER_03 38:31

We were watching this eagle, and this son of a bitch is not coming down. He's just not coming down. He's looking at it, he's doing that, you know, sideways, cocking the head. Oh, yeah, you know, but he didn't like what we were offering, so we had to go remove that and offer another one. Pete thought, not you, Pete Maycheck thought maybe something about that fish he just doesn't like because he normally he says, I this is money in the bank. I can just throw a fish out there and that thing comes down. Anyways, about three or four fish later, and he's not coming down. So we decide, well, we've got to wait him out. He's gonna come down. We just gotta wait him out. So Pete and I were sitting there, you know, chatting away about the area and the fishery and you know, the family and all kinds of stuff. And then all of a sudden, about 20 minutes into this wait, the eagle it's like a switch went off. The eagle kind of humps up and he started that motion, you know, where they throw themselves off. It was just beautiful. And he threw himself off of that limb and he just swooshed down, just like I had said he was going to do, in exactly the area, the spot. He came down and he, you know, hunkered back, laid back, put those talons out, grabbed that fish in slow-mo, and he just flew off into the sunset. And we are just like, yes, we are just so happy because it was perfect. It was fantastic. I looked back and said, Mark, holy shit, did you get it? And Mark is sleeping. Mark is sleeping behind the camera. Oh my god. Oh, I will never forget that.

SPEAKER_06 40:13

So when the bird lifted off, did you guys not start saying, Okay, here it comes. Of course, we slept through all that shit.

SPEAKER_03 40:18

The whole thing. Oh my god. The whole thing.

SPEAKER_06 40:20

Ready, Mark? Right.

SPEAKER_03 40:23

I will never forget that.

SPEAKER_06 40:24

Mark Henry, you're still out there today. Do you remember that story? Please write in.

SPEAKER_03 40:31

I made him make his way back from wherever we were, um, on the inside channel somewhere. Can't remember where we were staying. For anyways, he had to find his way back from that spot. I refused to offer him any transportation back. Pissed me off so much. How do you do that? Yeah. How the hell do you do that?

SPEAKER_06 40:55

Nick, how do you do that? I don't know. Is there a possibility of the of a guy sleeping on a boat like that?

SPEAKER_02 41:01

Well, look, I I've had my fair share of uh uh aquatic naps, right? We'll call it that. You know, my uh the boat's rocking nice.

SPEAKER_06 41:08

H2O.

SPEAKER_02 41:11

However, however, it can happen to me, like if it's really hot out, like we wear all black, stupid hot. Like I've got sunstroke a couple times on the boat because I don't drink nearly enough water. That happens. The other times I pass out is you know when nothing's happening. Look, it can happen to the best of us, right? Let's but but, but, but, but when there's something happening or we're like actively doing things or we're waiting for something like that, no, you don't fall asleep then.

SPEAKER_03 41:45

It's like a hound dog, or not a hound dog, because the hounds do it. The bloodhound. You know, when the bloodhound's not hunting, it's taking a nap. You know those pointers? Yeah, you know those pointers, like the German short hair pointers, yeah. Yeah, like you know, it's almost like when he's on point and and then shit's about to go down. He says, Yeah, you know what? I want to lick my balls here or something. Just uh you know what I mean? That's what that would be like.

SPEAKER_06 42:07

No, it'd be the pointer, still be on point. You're you're ready with the gun, and then you go, Oh, wait a minute, I gotta clean my shotgun. Oh, well, there's that too. And then the dog flushes the oh shit, there goes the bird. The dog looks at you and says, You're fired, asshole.

SPEAKER_03 42:20

You didn't come here to hunt, did you? Uh all right. Anyways, uh, we digress. Uh so aside from stuff like that, I don't think we've ever had any disputes with uh lodge owners that would preclude us from airing. We've had some misunderstandings with lodge owners. Yep. Uh it has not stopped us from uh airing the the show.

SPEAKER_06 42:47

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 42:48

Uh but we have had a couple of misunderstandings. Um other than that, man, I I can't think of anyone. I it's a great question. I'd love to be able to give them something like juice, but honestly, um we've gone out, not caught enough fish for an episode. Yep. Done that. That's certainly a thing. And they're done that. And that without question has happened.

SPEAKER_06 43:14

But uh weather, we've had we've been euchred by weather, so it doesn't give us a full. Usually we get a couple, maybe a segment of the or something like that.

SPEAKER_03 43:22

But um I do remember one case where the cameraman forgot the camera.

SPEAKER_06 43:28

Cameraman, Dave Delaney. Dave Delorie.

SPEAKER_03 43:32

That's right. Forgot the camera. We went all the way. It was it was close. It was like a three and a half hour drive. Close. So that's close for us. And we got to uh our our destination and uh we were ready to go. And uh the cameraman said, Oh shit. What? I think I forgot the camera. What the hell do you forget a camera?

SPEAKER_06 43:56

And these are big cameras back then. They were huge, so that was that.

SPEAKER_03 44:00

I know we've forgotten boat keys. Yep. Mr. Bowman. Yeah. Have we not? Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_06 44:04

We did.

SPEAKER_03 44:05

We sure learned our lesson though.

SPEAKER_06 44:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:07

Always have the extra one hidden somewhere. Yeah. Where do we where do we hide it? I never remember. Ever.

SPEAKER_06 44:15

Uh other than that, yeah. No, I I think uh we'll keep track from here on in, okay, JJ? From here on, we're gonna have specific stories if it happens. Hopefully it won't.

SPEAKER_03 44:25

Uh today's location uh discussion. I mentioned at the top of the show, we uh recently were uh in northeastern Ontario, I guess it would be called.

SPEAKER_06 44:35

Yeah, I could say Northeastern Ontario.

SPEAKER_03 44:38

Just uh to slightly to the west of Timmins. Uh place called Ivanhoe Lake. And I've got a story about Ivanhoe Lake too, which is kind of humorous, but we may or may not get into that. But you had you had gone there, what, a couple of years ago to shoot?

SPEAKER_06 44:53

Oh, more six years, how many years ago? 2019. 2019. Seven years ago. Wow. Yeah, so it's been a while. You and Steve were on the Steve Nedzvietsky. Stefjo Nedzyetsky.

SPEAKER_02 45:04

Nzvietsky.

SPEAKER_06 45:06

And uh yeah, we went there, and that's speaking of bad weather and and knocking uh the knocking the shit out of your plans. We got up there, we we got there the first night at Red Pine Lodge, stayed in the same place, Gary's place, and um met our guide. We would have met a local guide there, went out and had a great evening with him. We just went and got some walleye right close to the camp and he said, Yeah, this is where we're gonna we're gonna get this and a lot bigger all through the week. Perfect, let's go. You know, we had a fun little evening and then uh got smashed by weather for like two and a half out of three days. Just we had a half a day to get out in the water, basically, and and uh try and put a show together.

SPEAKER_03 45:41

So by the way, just to clarify, I know uh it's called Red Pine Lodge, and you just alluded to it being Red Pine Lodge, but it's not a lodge in the truest sense of the name. Uh so you don't have like a you don't have like a main lodge with rooms or or adjacent, you know, uh cabinet.

SPEAKER_06 46:02

Back then they had they had a kind of a lodging area, a restaurant area, like they had the bigger kitchen area or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 46:09

They have the store.

SPEAKER_06 46:10

There was a store too, I think. Is it all one building?

SPEAKER_03 46:12

All one building, but that's all closed up now.

SPEAKER_06 46:14

Okay. It's shut up. Okay, that was all open back then.

SPEAKER_03 46:16

So really, I mean, it's it's it's we were in a very nice uh cabin, but basically it's like a trailer park. Well, that's because it is a trailer park. And uh you have cabins, but no, no lodge per se. Red pine cottages would be a better name than Red Pine Cottages would be a much more appropriate name. I think Red Pine Rentals has a nice ring to it. Red Pine Rentals. Why don't we uh why don't we see if we can uh secure that I'd pitch that and then uh secure it and then try and sell it to uh Gary Litt, the owner. That's a great business deal, Insurance.

SPEAKER_04 46:50

Yeah, amazing business.

SPEAKER_03 46:51

But yeah, so we went back because because of the fact that on the previous uh run through uh the weather was so bad we weren't able really to do a uh an honest job of uh fishing the lake. So we thought the this time we'd go in and uh do have do a redo.

SPEAKER_06 47:10

Do-a-do.

SPEAKER_03 47:11

Did you guys actually air uh a show from there?

SPEAKER_06 47:13

We aired uh what we caught out of that show. We only got a few fish, but we put together a show, I can't remember what it was on bad weather or something. It was about bad weather, yeah. Bad weather, so it kind of worked out for that reason, anyways.

SPEAKER_03 47:23

Perfect. Um well, we did not have bad weather. In fact, uh quite the opposite. We had just fantastic weather.

SPEAKER_06 47:32

Did Nick get sunburned?

SPEAKER_03 47:34

Um, no, I uh I was a good boy on that one. Well, that's because it was so cold. I when I say nice weather, it was cold.

SPEAKER_02 47:40

Well, no, actually, I got a sunburn day one of my arms and face. Yes. And then day two, I was in Long John's. Right. There you go. So we had that was our rain. But no rain.

SPEAKER_03 47:49

No rain to spend the sun, no matter what, right? So, but the um the interesting part here is that I know you guys you fished because the spots were still on the uh on our mapping, yeah. Uh you guys fished uh a lot of lake uh spots, right? Yeah. Well, we went there the week after opening, and because of the uh severe cold weather the last four or five weeks, the fish were just starting to drop out from the spawning areas, and the main spawning area on that body of water is is the the river, and I think it I it's called Red Pine River, if I'm not mistaken.

SPEAKER_05 48:29

Ivanhoe River, isn't it? No, yeah, Ivanhoe River, I think.

SPEAKER_02 48:32

I think you need the uh and the Ivanhoe River, but it has another name too. It has another name. We uh we discussed this in a previous podcast, I do believe.

SPEAKER_03 48:39

Yeah, anyway, we need to get verification on that because I know I'm right. But anyways, we went decided to fish the river. Now the problem with that is that the river got 105% of the fishing pressure on that lake the last week since it's the opening, right?

SPEAKER_06 49:01

So the spawners go up there and everybody follows, right?

SPEAKER_03 49:04

Everybody follows, and the word was out that on opening day, you guys remember the number? Was it 68 or 168 boats were jammed into the mouth of this river? 68. 68. 68 boats, what Connor said. Yeah, so we're talking an area as wide as this this room.

SPEAKER_06 49:21

Oh, stop it. I'm telling you the boat.

SPEAKER_03 49:24

Well, there's got a couple of curves in it, so I would imagine they were out throughout the curves, but it I could just see what happened. Because in our case, you know, if there's five or six there, you you you have to navigate through. So sixty-eight would be mind-boggling. But anyways, so needless to say, that got all the attention and we decided to do something kind of different. It was cool. We wanted to do something that maybe didn't get the the quite the uh traffic um from the week before. So we decided to run the full length of the river all the way up to its headwaters, or at least as far as you could go by boat, which was approximately 34 miles, I believe. Whatever that is. That's a run. Oh, it was a run. But the problem is, and and this is where thank God for electronics, because we could not have done this without our garment stuff. Impossible. Because most of that was navigated over waters that were, you know, four feet and less. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The vast majority of it was that. But then every once in a while you'd have this this dip, and it would be, you know, I don't know, 50 feet long and and 20 feet wide.

SPEAKER_06 50:37

Typical rivers was a hole, typical rivers, right?

SPEAKER_03 50:39

And then at the other end, it shoots right up to three feet, three and a half feet. So going in, we laid we laid all of our tracks, our breadcrumbs. So that was cool. We were able it took us forever to do that, obviously. Uh, but coming back, we literally ran back full open. And and the next day, when we had a full day to go in there, we ran all the way up right from the get-go. Right. And it was a fantastic shoot. It was um a bit of an unveiling, a bit of a pre um view to the two youngest members of the team, um, Dean and Nick, because they shot that episode. Excellent. So I heard I was just uh I was just there. Uh you were director, yeah, D-O-P-E. I was there. No, the only reason I was there, if we took a lower unit off. That was that's the reason I was there.

SPEAKER_06 51:32

Well, to be honest and and and and help the uh boys out here, the boys probably wouldn't have drove as fast as you drove on that with that $30,000, $40,000 motor. You just I would have been terrified. I know. We don't be bovering in there and the answer goes, bam!

SPEAKER_02 51:46

It was terrifying watching him drive it.

SPEAKER_05 51:49

I know. When you're watching the screen as he goes and it just had to come straight up. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 51:56

Oh my god. The best part was coming out the second day. We we had just enough fuel. I figured we were gonna have just enough fuel in the tank to do what we needed to do that day. So we ran up full speed to the top end and started working our way back, and we got to what turned out to be the honey hole, which was about a a quarter of the way back down, and then spent most of the day fishing that honey hole, and it was great because the boys got I've never seen so many blue walleye ever caught. That's crazy. That's awesome. Oh, it was awesome. It was awesome. So that hole was holding blues, it was holding regular walleye, it was holding smallmouth bass. And the reason that we know it was holding small mouth bass, first of all, Nick caught one, but we we thought that was a fluke. But then on looking at the a drone footage, you know, a few weeks later, a few days, whatever it was later, we looked at drone footage of that spot, and no wonder there was bass there. There was bass beds all along the shoreline that we didn't even see. Wow, eh? No kidding.

SPEAKER_02 53:05

Speaking of of the drone, we did a couple cool running shots where I was following the boat with the drone, right? And um, I'll tell you, being able to see that water, you can see the water coming up live in real time as we're going towards like what looks like certain death, and then we blast right over it. Yeah, I could have folded a quarter down there, let me tell you. It was nerve-wracking.

SPEAKER_03 53:26

The best part was coming back. I'm looking at my gauge and I'm thinking, hmm. It's not like we're gonna have a like a plethora of gas here. We're we'll we'll have enough. There should be enough fumes for us to make it back to the but I didn't tell the boys that uh they're they're both saying, we got are we gonna have enough gas? Oh now we've got more gas than we'll ever use, for God's sakes. Relax. Let's go. So now we decide to run all the way back home because it was done, right? The end of the day. Yeah. And uh I'm running full open up on the dance floor, and I keep just throwing an eye over at that gauge. I don't want to cause any disturbance. I didn't want to the guys to see how how uh fixated I was at looking at that gauge. So I'd throw a little glance over there and it's dropping and it's dropping, and it's beyond empty. It's and I'm thinking, you know, the the work all I can think of was if I run out and it's in a shallow part of this river, we are going to self-destruct because the boat's gonna come down off late and we're gonna be on a one of those two and a half foot little pinnacles and it's gonna tear us apart. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 54:36

It went as shallow as a foot, if I remember correctly. Oh my god. Oh, yeah, we were at a foot for sure. Up about 27 miles north on the river. Yeah. Oh, excuse me. It went to about a foot.

SPEAKER_06 54:46

You do realize though, that with these beautiful Mercury four strokes nowadays, if you brought that down to about 3,300 revs per minute, you'd save a lot of gas.

SPEAKER_03 54:55

But I couldn't be up as high as you'd be pretty close.

SPEAKER_06 54:58

It wouldn't be much difference. You can trim them up and you know don't use excuses, Viola. You'd rather run out of gas than get home.

SPEAKER_03 55:07

It wouldn't be as far.

SPEAKER_06 55:10

They're very fuel efficient at slower speeds. However, when you hammer down a 250 Pro XS, she will eat some fuel, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_03 55:17

God, she's nice up in a dance.

SPEAKER_06 55:19

Oh, and they sound so good when they start.

SPEAKER_03 55:21

And we had perfect weather for it.

SPEAKER_06 55:22

And and we were doing the Did Connor show you the road in, or did he know it? Was he with you guys at all? And oh God.

SPEAKER_03 55:29

Just about a quarter, just at the beginning, like where everybody where everybody else was, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, because then on the second day, we he wasn't with us. Oh my god. And that's when we decided we're gonna we're gonna go for it. It was beautiful, though. It was fantastic. I would do it over again in a minute. And the and the nice part was that where we as far as we could go, I'm sure it would have been possible to push our way up a little bit farther, but as far as we could go, it was just a perfect fishing area that we were able to back the boat up and drop our our uh poles down and hold the nose just you know, the the tip of the nose was just hitting the current coming down. Wow, and so the boys were able to work that current to the oh, it was fantastic. God, it was nice. Sitting there watching that, uh oh, it gives me goosebumps just thinking about it. Nice, but anyways, uh a wonderful excursion if anybody is interested in that type of fishing.

SPEAKER_06 56:22

Um there's also lakes around there, right? You can you can if you have your boat within trailer boat and trailer, you could uh take off to a small brook trout late or something, lake or something like that too, right? In that area.

SPEAKER_03 56:31

There are so many. Yeah, just so many opportunities. Even the locals haven't come close to finding them all.

SPEAKER_06 56:39

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 56:39

That's how much there is up there in that area. Yeah. And of course, you can, you know, if you're if you're headquartering out of uh Timmins, which I would highly recommend, a great small um little piece of uh uh urban life in the middle of nowhere and close to all the waters. You know, you're I think within I think they said within 150 miles of downtown Timmins, you've got close to 500 lakes.

SPEAKER_06 57:07

That's pretty damn good. Oh. And a lot of them are hardly fished at all, right? Not to mention rivers and uh the river right in Timmins has got a great fishery along with sturgeon. It's legal to fish sturgeon in in Timmins. So what's the what's the ruling on that? There's some kind of an exemption in that that area. There's something about an area where they you're allowed to target uh sturgeon in Ontario, in that part of Ontario.

SPEAKER_03 57:29

When was last time we had uh um Minister Harris on? We need to get him on again. It was a couple months ago now, I think. Put together some questions. That's a question that I'd like to ask them. Why is it that you can fish legally fish sturgeon in that small little stretch of water and yet all the other it might be more there might be a bigger spread of area than you think.

SPEAKER_06 57:54

I think it might be something to do with a zone or something. Maybe not a full zone, but I might maybe I might be wrong. It might be just the river, but there was something about it. We didn't look into it because we didn't fish them, right? So we were we were going, we were thinking about it on an evening to go in there and do it, but we were so scared to think it. Even though Rob and the boys all told us it's legal, guys, and we're seeing people out there fishing away. I'm just thinking, oh my god, uh it doesn't seem like it doesn't feel right. It doesn't feel right.

SPEAKER_03 58:19

Oh god, anyways, but yeah, uh I highly recommend uh Ivan Ho. It's a great body of water and um blue walleye.

SPEAKER_06 58:28

There's a place you can get your blues.

SPEAKER_03 58:30

Oh, and and the thing too, we didn't get any huge fish, but that's because we we were the time, you know, timing is everything, right? So we we did not spend enough quality time in uh areas in search of those post-spawn, big post-spawn walleye, because we just didn't have the time. But apparently they're there, and we had seen enough and heard enough to believe it. But about four or five days later, we are now in the Timmins area, and we we're uh shooting um a tournament that's going on, uh the uh Northern Ontario Walleye Tour, I believe it's called. Yes, yep. Excuse me. And as soon as we got there, you know, all the competitors there, and of course we're we're having a beer, talking about one thing and another. And I I was talking to one guy, and I said, Yeah, we just came from Ivanhoe. Oh, God, I love that. He says, You must you must have spanked them good, I'll bet, eh? And I'm thinking to myself, oh boy, this guy's gonna think I'm an idiot because we didn't really see any fish over 20 21 inches. He says, Boy, those fish are big there, and lots of them, huh? He's asking me, he's like, huh. Oh, as he proceeds to pull his phone out.

SPEAKER_06 59:44

Oh, God, here we go.

SPEAKER_03 59:46

Scrolling through pictures of he we he had been up to he was one of those boat, those 68 boats that I'm talking about, obviously. Yeah. Because him and his buddy apparently just spanked the hell out of them. All big, eight, ten-pound fish. Oh, jeez. No wonder we didn't see any of those. But, anyways, did I miss anything, uh, boys? You guys were there. I have anything any highlights I missed?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:11

I think you uh you hit the nail on the head there. We we definitely had a couple moments where we weren't sure if we were gonna be able to do it, weren't gonna be able to do it, like to pull off the pull off the show. Yeah, but that last day there, that Thursday, where we found the honey hole, was uh it was pretty fun. I think it was pretty special. It was a really good, really awesome experience overall, I'd say.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:30

And I know we probably have I don't know, hammered this one way too often, but am I safe in saying that had it not been for the Garmin units on the boat, we would not have found it?

SPEAKER_05 1:00:46

Oh, 100%.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:47

Oh, without a doubt, because we wouldn't have been able to get through to where where we got to. Well, no, but I'm just saying, even where we ended up fishing. Oh, yeah. Oh, absolutely. Well, at one point we were able to. That we would have had the confidence to sit there and fish the way we fished.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:02

Beyond that, there was a point where we found this weird school, and I want to say school of fish, because it was blue walleye, regular walleye, and smallmouth bass, all off of this point where a dead tree was. And even I think there was a couple little pike too, if I remember correctly. Yes, there were. It was this multi-species, you know, diverse school of fish. And we were we were I was drop shotting, I think Dean was jigging, if I remember correctly. I may be wrong. Yeah, a nedrig. And with a nedrig. And we could watch our you know, our bait go down, go down, go down. We could see a fish coming up to it, but we never had any idea what fish was coming to it. Yeah. And that was really cool. Without without the electronics, we never would have been able to experience that. I don't think we would have found those fish because it didn't look like a walleye spot. It looked like a good bass spot, but it did not look like a walleye spot.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:51

Also, like these schools were on the move the whole time. Oh, the whole time. Rowers everywhere. If you were just like in a spot and you put like the marker buoy out, you'd waste half an hour every time because they're just hopping all over the place. Whether they're scared of the boat or is there a current uh all current?

SPEAKER_06 1:02:08

Like is it a current area or a little bit or it was moving?

SPEAKER_03 1:02:12

Did I okay hear correctly that Garmin was working on or had already completed this? That they now or will soon have the technology where you can lock on a fish and and the spy pole, which is their latest offering, will actually stay on the fish. I know it'll stay on stationary objects. Yeah, it'll stay on structure. But did I not hear that it can lock onto fish? I don't know about that one. I don't know about that.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:47

That would be crazy. Yeah, find out I can.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:48

I think it'll remind me to ask uh Levi when we're when we see him down here.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:52

Well, it'll be it'll be written unless it's not done yet, unless they're working.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:55

Maybe maybe I just heard heard of it. But they're trying to lock, or we're successful in being able to lock onto that signature, that fish, that particular fish. Wow. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:07

Well, when you think about it, the the technology's not that far away. Like our cameras can do it.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:12

Yeah, our cameras are locking on us now, right? I never even thought of that.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:15

Yeah, like the technology's there.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:17

But how would you lock on that school? Like if there's 30 of them sitting there.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:21

Just like well, just like our camera can lock on either your face, your torso, uh, it can lock on various parts. Right?

SPEAKER_06 1:03:30

Friggin' unreal.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:32

So so this technology will allow them to lock on. Maybe it's a mass thing, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:03:36

Well, the job of the screen, it would the all right, it would be like the job of the trolling motor is just to keep that on the screen. It's essentially all like the software is telling it, right? So it would just be moving the boat to keep that thing on the street. No, no, this is in conjunction with the spy pole, okay, right.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:52

Which has its own steering mechanism and all that stuff. Right. And the the big thing is or was that I heard was that they now were able to lock on. See, right now the spy pole can lock onto a piece of structure, right? So you can lock on to a stump or a rock or uh whatever it is. Now, what's the difference whether it's a stump or a rock and a fish?

SPEAKER_06 1:04:16

It would be easier to stay locked on a stationary object. If your boat's moving and that object's moving, it's very difficult, I'm assuming. But so that thing, you know, it's gonna do this, the boat's gonna do this, and you can still Okay, but it's the opposite doing what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:31

So so spy pole is locked onto that school. I'm not saying the boat's moving around, but spy pole is moving.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:40

Yeah, yeah. It could I just say it'd be easier to be on structure than it would be to on a moving run, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:04:44

Oh my god, that'd be so cool. Oh my god. That would be sick. Yeah. That I may I may refuse to use something that advanced. I'll try it. Yeah, I mean, all right, all right, good. Talk me into it. I mean, anyways, uh yeah, without without our technology that day up that river, we would have been up the river without a paddle. Yeah, without a paddle. So because this was a relatively small, um, it was deep. I think it was 28 feet at the deepest. Oh, wow. But but in terms of uh overall size, it was no bigger than this building we're in right now, maximum, right? And it was right in an S bend.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:24

Kind of nice that it kind of confined right now.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:26

Yeah, and a solid wall up in front of it and the solid wall behind it. So it was it was pretty cool. Excellent. It was great fishery, highly recommend it. Uh uh Ivanhoe Lake, uh just outside of Timmins, and uh Red Pine uh Lodge. No, no, you call it Red Pine Lodge. But what do you call it? I recommend changing it to Red Pine Rentals, rentals, perfect, because they they have all kinds of uh nice uh little cabins. Yeah, the cabins are awesome. Yeah, and you're only the best part is you're only about a 10 minute drive from a wonderful little place called Foliet.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:03

Yeah, that's a good thing. Oh, Foliet was a what a slide on the general store say. If we don't need it, you don't need it. Yeah. If you don't have it, you don't need it. And they're right.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:13

I love it. And of course, it's old school, the gas station. They also have the gas station at this general store. And the gas tank is not underground. It's one of those above ground big tanks. And I was so embarrassed. I don't think we even talked about this, guys, afterwards. But if you remember when we pulled in to get gas there, Dean, because I don't I think Nick had already made the the dash into the where he was going. And I don't think I made uh I was having a hard time figuring out because this was old school zero technology gas pumps. I thought you were supposed to be uh an expert in old school. Well, I not in this case, because I couldn't even get I couldn't even get the uh the handle uh off the like off the thing. So I said, Dean, am I missing something here? Yeah, yeah. And so he's pushing the bullet, he couldn't get it off. And then we we both deduced, oh, it must be locked. They probably keep it locked, and you have to go inside and you know, one of those deals, right? So I went inside and there was a young lady behind the the counter, and uh I said, I'd like uh some gas, please. Oh, she says, Yeah, no, no, you go ahead, just help yourself. And I had to say to her, Well, I've been trying out there, but I can't get the damn nozzle off. She's oh come on, I'll show you. So she walked all the way out, and sure as hell, she grabbed that nozzle, pulled it out. Because I'm trying to be gentle, I don't want to break something, it's it's not coming out. She grabs on it, pulls it out, she says, There you go, fill your boots. So that's a little embarrassing. Yeah, no kidding. Uh I can understand if it was a young guy who's never seen, you know, this had zero technology. This was the old pump. Yeah. Like there was nothing automated about it, right? I can understand. Well, even Dean, I can understand Dean having a problem with it. But me, I grew up in those pumps. Yeah, yeah, you're done. I used to pump those things for a living. I used to pump gas at DX Oil and Whitney, for God's sake. Yeah, nice.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:13

You just need a refresher in the old ways.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:15

Yeah, I need a refresher. All right. Yeah, okay. Uh uh, and that episode will uh be part of the 40 41st season of the Fish and Canada show, which will start airing in January uh 27.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:31

It may be our inaugural episode.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:33

Ooh.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:34

It may be. I don't know that to be true, but it uh it may be.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:38

Well, you sound like awfully confident in that.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:40

Yeah, that's uh you might know something I don't maybe it's a possibility, is all I'm saying.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:45

Well, you're right. It is possible, not probable, but very possible. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:49

Yeah, uh Dean, make a note. Uh I know you're making all these notes there, but uh uh we need to get uh Dr. Cook on the show again. He hasn't been on in a hundred years.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:58

I haven't, I haven't scumming.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:00

We gotta talk to him about this blue wall, I think. Yeah, we need to get some answers on this because we're not really sure anymore. I'm I thought I was a hundred percent positive, but I'm not really sure anymore whether it's it's something that is in the food source in the area, in the water in that particular area, whether it's something in the gene.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:19

And they don't look healthy.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:21

No, they're emancipated looking little.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:23

Well, not that one you got. None of them. Oh, that one you got looked pretty uh. They're all you never see a fat one. Perfect. Like big yellow wings. Maybe it's uh they're genetically more lean.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:34

I don't know, but what I've looked up is it doesn't affect like affect the health of them, but anyone I've ever seen looks like a zombie.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:41

Yeah. So I don't know. I agree. So, anyways, Dr. Maybe we we just can't handle the truth. Well, there is that they're hiding it. There is that too. Uh so Dr. Cook for that, and we need the uh minister, uh Minister of Natural Resources on to uh talk to us about what? I know you made a note.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:59

Talk to us about the sturgeon season.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:02

Thank you. I forgot to. Better it. We're out of here. Holy smokes. We burned through another one. Uh one. I don't know about burning through it.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:12

We might have burned a lot of audience members, maybe, but hopefully they stuck with us.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:14

By the way, you know. Here we can go. Oh, we gotta do a bonus code. We're not done yet. Oh, bonus code. Let's do that. Uh blue. Blue. B-L-U-E.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:25

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:25

Blue.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:26

I like that.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:26

That's locked in.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:27

Like it.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:28

Done. Bonus code is blue. Blue. Wow. For the blue walleye. Well, yeah. Oh. Finally getting our uh when's a walleye uh epicker t-shirt coming in. It's coming in too? Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:45

Not I didn't see an example of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:46

Well, Nick is not very well, no, this isn't my passion project, but it's been handed on to me, so I'm dealing with this.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:52

But yeah, that bunch of bullshit was your we saw all kinds of it, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:55

Well, that one was a passion project of mine.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:58

Yeah, I know, but you gotta, you know, you gotta play fair in the sandbox. You gotta play with all the kids.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:03

Right. Never you never could. Why? They used to beat him up. Yeah, what about uh pork chop around his neck so the kids would play with him for guessing?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:15

The dog would play with him, yeah. Well, maybe not today.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:18

All right, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was going to say something, though, and then you Yes, you were and they Nick interrupted you with the but he hadn't.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:26

You were wrapping up the show if I have a point.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:27

What was what was I I was going somewhere with to the conclusion.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:31

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