Online learning is accessible to all, but is it truly benefiting diverse education outcomes as we predicted, or is it mainly accessed by privileged communities? How can we use our thoughtfully curated, engaging content to reach all students and close the achievement gap, instead of only benefiting wealthier learners?
We’ve gathered four CEOs of ASU+GSV Elite 200 companies that are experts in the online learning field to find out how to:
Are you ready to expand the audience of your online education and impact the achievement gap for the better? Tune in for concrete tips, advice, and inspiration. Our 2022 ASU+GSV panelists are sure to have solid information to share.
Our panel of experts includes:
Moderated by Josh Chernikoff & Dotan Tamir
Online learning is accessible to all, but is it truly benefiting diverse education outcomes as we predicted, or is it mainly accessed by privileged communities? How can we use our thoughtfully curated, engaging content to reach all students and close the achievement gap, instead of only benefiting wealthier learners?
We’ve gathered four CEOs of ASU+GSV Elite 200 companies that are experts in the online learning field to find out how to:
Are you ready to expand the audience of your online education and impact the achievement gap for the better? Tune in for concrete tips, advice, and inspiration. Our 2022 ASU+GSV panelists are sure to have solid information to share.
Our panel of experts includes:
Moderated by Josh Chernikoff & Dotan Tamir
Welcome everyone to our special event Lifelong Educators focused on how we can help close the achievement gap by expanding access to online courses. We're here to dive into the effectiveness and equality that virtual learning brings how to help all students access these lessons and more. Our panels made up of founders from the ASU GSV Elite 200 cool plus we'll dive into how the upcoming ASU GSV conference can support our goals in this space. Let's talk about what we're gonna talk about today. Extending courses, course access to students at every income level offering and low priced options while still, still turning a profit tracking student progress to ensure courses, offer measurable outcomes. And there will be lots more. Let's make the most of your time here. The chat is the perfect place to network with others and maybe even make some new friends. We've all made some friends here plus use the Q and a box. So our panelists can easily field your questions. Don't forget to switch the box above your chat from panelists and or in attend these to everyone. So everyone can see your conversations and be sure to join our Facebook community of Cohort Based Learners and inventors. So we're about to begin to close the achievement gap together. Before we do that, let's meet Dohan Tamir. He is the CEO. Of click two do time. That was a mouthful. How you doing?
Dotan Tamir:Oh, good. How are you? Good to be here with everybody.
Joshua Chernikoff:Yeah. before we get going, we were doing some counting. We've got six countries do, where are you joining us from? Cuz you just kind of got on the plane a little bit late. Welcome.
Domenica Obando:Hi there. Thank you very much. for the invites I am joining from Mexico city. Okay. Everyone.
Joshua Chernikoff:Very happy. We're stuck at six countries because I'm in Mexico and you're in Mexico, but that's okay. Six is a great representation. all good. So Doan, talk about why we're here and then we're also gonna talk about and define the achievement gap. Mm-hmm
Dotan Tamir:all right. Well, this is our 21st show. We started just a few months ago when we like to bring up this discussion about digital education on education, Josh, you, sometimes you call me the Future Man, I don't know if I like it or I don't, but I definitely try to think of a point of view of five years from now. And where are we gonna be at? and then. When, we looked at the group that we are part of the Elite 200 companies at ASU GSV, the, the conference in San Diego. We looked at the companies and it's a very, it's a very different group of companies than what you would usually see at a general conference. All of those companies, all of those people are passionate about making an impact about making changes at people's lives. Yeah. Through business, through technology, like a lot of other companies are doing, but we are doing something that is really affect people's lives and growth. And I think overall the advance of humanity, and closing the gap is. You know, we, we can, we can do all that stuff and concentrate and focus only on the initial suspects, which is, which are usually our, you know, very nearby communities. but with digital, with online, I feel like we have the opportunity to make much wider impact and look in five years, like thinking of how the world would look like in five years, I want to hope. I I'm hoping that the, the world would be, will be even flatter that, that people all around the world would have equal access to this kind of learning education and growth. Sorry for, taking so much time from the intro, Josh, but, that was it. No, no,
Joshua Chernikoff:it's important. We know you're passionate about it. You are Future Man, some people, on our team would call me Past Man, because I do print stuff up. Okay. And I print up articles cuz it's just more helpful for me to read them. And I think it's important that we define at least in some way what the achievement gap is. And I found, I I've, I've known learning A to Z for many years when I started my tutoring company at O seven, I was leaning on the good folks at learning A to Z to help. And I'm just gonna read what they wrote here. What is the achievement gap in an article? The, this gap takes many forms, basically. It's the variation in performance between what students are expected to have learned and what they actually have learned and mastered to date when students are grouped together by race, gender, or socioeconomic status, and compared in terms of academic achievement. Persistent gaps and disparities can be observed and measured. So I think it's a, a, a pretty good, definition right there. So we're gonna start talking to our panelists, our panelists, our experts in reaching all types of students. They found great success in expanding their academic AC academies and courses to each all class levels. Here's how we're gonna do this today. We've got four panelists. We've given them all a question. They've got a few minutes to answer it, and then we're gonna roll to some Q and a after each one of those questions is answered. So Rafael Nolden he is joining us from Munich. Rafael spent time as a research physicist and post secondary structure instructor before founding amy.app, his own AI, private tutor, math company, Rafael. Your question, how are you using AI to make tutoring scalable and accessible to all.
Raphael Nolden:Thank you. What a great question. So, as you said, I used to work in lecturing students and spend a lot of years working on curriculum development at a university as well. And what I really realized is that there's such a big. Gap or such big challenge for students to trying to get into this higher level of learning. And a lot of this comes from what they should learn at high school. And it's almost impossible for a teacher or even a, lecturer like myself to identify what those underlying gaps are. This is especially true with math because it's a very hierarchical subject where you need to know all these underlying levels to better the new ones and the way our education system works is we just add more content on top all the time, but those gaps underneath don't get privilege. Private tutoring is super effective at doing, solving this because a private tutor can sit down with a student, to identify those gaps and fill them. And then a student can go on and learn. But there's two big problems for that one is that, there just aren't enough good private tutors around. And the second one, which is a bigger problem is that a lot of students just can't afford. that And so I thought about how can we help, not just the students that I was teaching, but realizing that this is a much bigger problem. And I realized, the only way that we could do that is to actually create a scalable, private tutor, which was, affordable for everyone. anyone with a basic internet connection could have access to that really high quality education and not just, for an hour, a week or something, but around the clock whenever and wherever they need it. And so this is exactly what we've been working on. And we've spent the last five years doing deep R and D work, developing this tutor. it takes on the kind of key characteristics of a human, private tutor, but scalable and accessible to everyone. So I guess to, to answer your question, how are we helping we're working on, you know, making this to everyone in the.
Joshua Chernikoff:Yeah, future, man, this must be music to your ears. Go ahead, future
Dotan Tamir:man. yeah, that's not my expertise, but I'm, definitely, you know, it, it fascinates me to, to hear about and, I'm, I'm wondering, I Rael I'm, I'm sure that the technology is one challenge, one barrier there, but what, what other challenges like to my mind comes the, the language barrier. To make it accessible to how does, what other challenges are you facing? Maybe if there are any that are really specific to education.
Raphael Nolden:Yeah. Great question. So language is a big challenge and a lot of, investment in, in education and especially education technology is focused on, you know, English language or Chinese, or, you know, a few other sort of big markets where there's a lot of money to made. And unfortunately those are probably the ones where there's really the best, teaching resource available. And one of the things that, you know, We realized very early on was that we wanna make learning math easy for everyone. And that doesn't just mean those people who fit into a nice, easy category. It's how do we make this really work? And so we built Amy from the ground up to make it, so it's easier for us to make Amy work in other languages. And we developed a whole, you know, new language system that underlies of the language works inside Amy, so that it becomes much easier for us to actually just. You know, add new languages. And in time we hope to, you know, figure out how we can make that really scalable, you know, bring a local community and say, Hey, look, you want this in your language. You can help us. It's not hard. And then the technology does the rest. So that's really important.
Joshua Chernikoff:That's nice. We're gonna roll math. They subject. I was not so good into Spanish. The subject I was. A little bit better, but getting better every day. Lilly Hagen Lilly welcome Lilly spent more than 10 years volunteering for an international nonprofit before founding lingo Plaza. Very cool, an immersive and safe place for children to learn languages, a connect with cultures around the world. So Lily given your background is in nonprofit work. What are actionable steps we can take to close the achievement gap through leveraging online learning.
Lily Hagen:Well, first of all, thank you so much for having me. This is so wonderful to just meet so many like-minded people and, you know, going back to your question, I'd say more than before any steps can be taken, right? It has to start with a mindset and what my nonprofit experience have taught me if anything that. Is that it's all about the people, right? It's all about the community when you're in a nonprofit, you're serving and, I was lucky enough to be able to be placed in those places. Right. I was able to go to different countries and be able to be as close as possible to what they're living. And it helped me gain some perspective, right? Because one thing is being here from afar, which is not wrong at all. But then another thing is the being, trying to live, That being said, it has to be one purpose driven. Right. And I believe that even the founders here and a lot of people right now, a lot of people in education are purpose driven and it's something that has to be the main point. And for us with lingo Plaza, right. We, my co-founder was actually someone from that was part of a nonprofit. So we adopted that culture and brought it to lingo Plaza. Right. We know that language learning has so many benefits and it opens so many opportunities. However, it is still consider a luxury, unfortunately, and it's not accessible. And that is our mission. You know, what can we do to bring this to students at an early age. So, we can make an impact, right? But then you have to somehow balance in our cases, we're a startup, we're a business. We have to keep our lives on, right. and be able to pay educators and provide high quality content. So I say my tips, and this is definitely not the solution that fits for all, but just having three things in mind. And if you have this as a priority, which is people, people, people, then you're able to think. Outside of the box and you can come up with something such as if it works for your startup or your educational, entities different streams of, revenue, right. That maybe supports the impact that you are wanting to make. So maybe it's not directly through the service that you are, self providing, but maybe you have a stream of revenue to support that impact, right. And be able to empathize and be able to provide exactly what they need. So I say the main thing for sure is their mindset and that will give you will help you be resourceful to back-up the impact that you're wanting to make.
Dotan Tamir:Really you are, we spoke before and we're gonna speak tomorrow again. I believe so, so, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm very interested about how you doing this and, and the actual, sessions with kids, you know, in a, and it, it must be very. Personal and, and engaging. And I'm wondering, because we're here speaking about the, you know, closing the gap, and what you're trying, you're trying to really reach kids in. Many different areas, maybe areas that didn't have reach to such such education before. Do you see any difference? Do you see kids, accepting that kind of technology, differently in different places or cause because. My, my, you know, my point of view is that kids are kids no matter where they are. So I wonder how is it, how does it work with the technology based education that you're doing?
Lily Hagen:you mean like how to engage them? Is that, is that the
Dotan Tamir:question? Like how is, how do they accept it? Do they, do they easily engage? Do they easily, adjust to that kind of learning? Are we is, is this question not relevant after COVID? what do you think about that?
Lily Hagen:That is a very interesting question. Yes. I said that, you know, my experience comes from, as a student one as an educator And now, a mom, raising bicultural kids. So I see different needs from different, let's say personas. I know language learning. It's a very intimidating thing. Even for adults, let's be honest, right? It's putting yourself out there and being vulnerable and it's not any different for kids. you have to make something engaging and almost we focus personally, just talking about my experience. On the experience of the kid on the journey, because language learning is not what we say American, right? And a lot of the parents that come to us, they're looking for fluency and for you to achieve that, you need to, study and be exposed to the language constantly. I am originally from Columbia, I'm still learning words in English and even in Spanish. So you know that it is something that requires time. Consistency, repetition. Now. You need to get in the mind of the kids and what is going to make it enjoyable because, as a mom, who's bilingual kids. It tends to be a, there's a pushback, a, pushback from kids, for sure. because it's not what their peers are speaking or, culturally talking I'm from Columbia. Obviously I wanna pass that on. So you need to make this an enjoyable experience. And there's one quote that I really, really, love. And it's that when you have fun, I mean, I'm definitely phrasing this, but when you learn something and you enjoy learning. It's something that you will remember. And that's our mission with Lingo Plaza. When you enjoy the learning journey, it will stick with you. And because it, becomes, something that you are living right. More than just knowledge, it's you experiencing it. and that is our mission, our goal. And. We're a step forward. I'm gonna say we're not there. we're exploring and I believe it's a collective effort and just being here knowing so many people they're heading that way. So yeah, I hope that answers your
Joshua Chernikoff:question. I think it, it literally, it does answer the question and it actually, you know, one thing you said, I wrote down, we gotta get in the mind of the kids and they gotta have fun and there's gonna be pushback, Alan Allan Cabello, Alan. Tries to get, I think, in the mind of adults. Okay. So Alan has worked in research, real world business and educated other innovative business leaders. Now he's combining all of his experiences to drive a research based online academy called spark academy. For corporate leaders to grow in, which I would imagine we're talking about adult corporate leaders. So that's why we're going from kids to Adults. So, Alan, your question, how do you track course progress and outcomes to ensure the lessons are working for learners from all backgrounds?
Alan Cabello:Thanks for the question, Josh. Thanks. do for having me here. so yeah, my name's Alan Cabello. I'm the CEO founder of Sparkacademy and we essentially offer say a mini MBA in innovation to entry, to mid-level employees, to large companies. We train people today in 58 different countries. So the background is by default it's international. And when you work in a big corporate say Siemens, and you're an entry level employee in Germany, or you're an entry level employee in Malaysia. it's a different, again, different background, different education. And so that's kind of how for us, that's the diversity we're dealing with, which is language and kind of cultural and educational background. what we're proud of is that we deliver super high quality learning experience. To from, with super, super high level professors from Stanford, from Berkeley, Imperial, Google, to everyone around the world and make that learning experience kind of measurable and trackable and allow them to see how they're progressing. How we do that is essentially we engineer our content our program, to make sure we have very, very clear. Of skills that we're trying to teach. What are the learning objectives attached to those? And then what are the different ways that we're kind of. Trying to transfer those skills towards those individuals through different formats and seeing which ones work better than others by attaching every single piece of content to an exercise, to an activity and then back forward. So we're very, very data driven and that allows us to see, what content is working across the board, what content is not, how do we replace different things? What profiles are better suited for different types of content? And again, and we're doing this globally and we, see differences from company to company context matters, but also country to country, different areas. We work with people from procurement and accounting to engineering and operations. So, that's what we're, we're trying to learn how people learn. That is our number one objective, because the reality is we, don't know how people today, we still dunno.
Joshua Chernikoff:So that's collect how you track course is, is. Basically what you do. So that's great. Let me ask you a little bit of follow up question.
Alan Cabello:I think when we think of the achievement gap, we think of kids. when you think of the achievement gap, you think of adults and,
Joshua Chernikoff:and you,
Alan Cabello:can you talk about how it relates to adults? Overall achievement gap is the standard in every corporate education programmer corporate education sucks. Let's face it, nobody ever attended a corporate training and left there being like, wow, this is amazing. They're generally mediocre at best. and even the, super, super good ones. You get your little sheet at the end saying, Hey, what did you like this course? And you're like, oh, it was great. I wish I would've had salmon or steak or, maybe a little more chocolate during the break. Yeah. I've given those courses myself. Tell us the truth. Tell us how you really feel, please. well, they're not great. And then the, biggest question my clients ask is, are the people learning what they're supposed to learn? And how do we know that in, our case, because we're teaching these softer skills, behavioral skills of innovation, the question is can they apply them? And so everything we do is very more towards exercises and we have them actually use what they learn in exercises and great, and give a personal feedback to everyone at scale. That's part of the technology we have that allows to give that feedback. And see those learning cycles live as they go along. So that's for us, that's where we're trying to close that gap. The gap still exists in the gap will always exist. Different people, different backgrounds, just different interest levels. Yeah. but we, try to figure out exactly how big that gap is and what do we need to do to close it?
Joshua Chernikoff:Well, we're trying to close it all over the world. We're gonna go from Zurich. Down to Mexico. Domenica Bondo. Domenica has worked in government nonprofits and corporate positions. Now she's helping other lactam software development, talent land, the best possible careers through her startup talent. So Domenica, how are you changing career accessibility through online learning?
Domenica Obando:Thanks for the question, Josh, I'm very happy to be here. well, first it's important to understand that Latin American technology is not having the same opportunities in others in, developed economies. So basically this means access to better salaries, access to quality of services in our region. There are here a few gaps that are limiting them, to take those jobs. And that's why I was related with what Lily just shared with us. But one of them is language. For example, like once a person in Latin America has access to communicate it fluently in English, like opportunities, just 10xed this is huge barrier. But basically what we do at Talently is we train them to Polish their English soft skills and maybe some technical informants, because they are already great technical talent and we help them to get great jobs both in countries like us and developed economies. 30% of our students are tackling in a U.S opportunity that they never had the opportunity before, because we help them how to go through interviews, how to get and capture cultural fit with us companies. How to, go through interviews, how to have a LinkedIn. so us, recruiters can get access to our profiles, how to communicate with them and others. And also we place them in top, Latin American companies too. What is our thesis here is that everyone in the tech recruitment industry is very focused on the top 5% of talent, which means like the ones who already have English skills, the ones who already, passed through a prestigious company, branded company. However, the other 95% is not taking advantage of this, thriving startup ecosystem or around the world that is looking heavily for tech talent. So we're basically. we're basically. covering those gaps with education, with learning and a lot of important thing, because we think our number one enemy is imposter syndrome. Like how to beat imposter syndrome that happens with. People all around the world, but specifically people in Latin America that feels were not good enough compared to, developed economies, like, people from Europe, from us. And second, there is tech talent that usually we're not that outgoing or not that extroverted So they feel they are not good enough all the time. So I think it's not only education. Like I think it's. We're not very like heavy in terms of content and education, but much more in terms of motivation and confidence in yourself.
Dotan Tamir:Yeah. Many. Sorry, just go ahead. No, no, no, you, you are really making the world flat, you know? I. In click to our development team is actually based in ility in Georgia, which is not, not here, not in Israel, actually two and a half hours flight. I took that flight last week. I was there. I met them. I think meeting in person, people we work with is important from time to time. But now for sure. You know, you could probably, bring some great talent to, all of this group. We can all probably recruit through you, some great talent I would
Domenica Obando:love to yeah. Just reach me out. I will be very happy to help because I know that talent are the ones who have like a huge gap of opportunity, but also is to empower companies to hire great talent and not at San Francisco prices, you know, like an, a price that makes sense to our companies to grow.
Dotan Tamir:Yeah. And this is part, I think if, if, if you succeed, I'm pretty sure you will. because I see that going like that, moving like that direction everywhere. This is, I believe part of the, the bigger. Change towards closing the gap because people will start more and more work for other companies in other countries that makes the world flat, their children, their neighbors, their community will be involved in that. They'll know that this is happening. They'll feel that they're actually be a part of this bigger world. This is big movement. I think we are, You know, we are a small part in the revolution. but look at us, people from six different, countries speaking about closing the gap and meeting in person in a few weeks, we are the change.
Joshua Chernikoff:Six six different countries. And I also saw a Italy in the chat as well. So, you know, so far we know seven different countries, but we're, we're all getting together. Although I don't know about that person from Italy, but you should join us. at ASU, G S V in April, early April in San Diego. you know, we know that the ed tech world is expanding, the cash is flowing in and with that cash comes responsibility. and with going to a conference that is as important comes responsibility for us, as well as founders and CEOs. we gotta make the most of it. Because, it's a real unique opportunity. so we're gonna ask a few different questions of our panelists. we'll start with doin cuz that's what we were. and, here's a question for you. Who will you make sure you meet this year? Other than us at ASU, G S V.
Domenica Obando:You mean who I wanna meet? Yeah. Other founders or. did it or investors
Joshua Chernikoff:who we got your eye on, if you, if you've downloaded that app, you know, you're probably doing some roaming around to see, I wanna meet that person. I wanna get to know that person. Have you found that or in general, you just wanna meet founders? That's cool too. Yeah, for
Domenica Obando:sure. I, I really admire, a few funds, like very interested in a tech and future work, like reach capital rethink an hour. I have like a specific person in all of those funds that I'm for sure meeting, but it's, but, but especially extremely excited about who in the tech world were going to meet there. You know, I would love to know who are building the talent in India, in Africa and yeah, but very passionate about like, you know, being the funders there and having some funds, very close. definitely.
Joshua Chernikoff:You'll find those people, and the app, you know, not to, to promote too much, but Dohan, and I kind of geek out over the app before we get there. And when you're there, so the app is a good place to learn. that's how we're prepping, Lilly. How are you prepping for ASU GSV right now?
Lily Hagen:Oh, Hey, how am I? I'm trying to be very intentional about meeting people ahead of time, at least connecting with them. I think that's been my number one goal actually to go to the GSV club. You know, I went last year and it was a great experience. I met wonderful people now that I know what to. I'm like, okay, I got it down. I know what to do. I'm gonna get a head of the, of the game. And I've been, I'm actually connected with, one founder. Her name is Harry from, I believe she's from fit. Finland has a startup and we connected already. And I'm actually very like looking forward to meeting her. And, you know, I think as founders, we learn from each other right. And seeing what other people are doing. And even with what we're talking about is like, Helping it helps you strategize like, oh, this is working for somebody else that maybe is something that could also work with that business model or even key partnerships that might help leverage or you know what we're talking about, but that's what I'm doing. Going back to your question. I am connecting with people ahead of time. Like you guys, you know, I can now wait to meet some of you that might be joining. So this is far of it, I guess.
Joshua Chernikoff:I think this is part of it. do Toma throw that to you as well, because you're very strategic, when it comes to planning for things like this. So why don't you tell the world kind of what you're thinking and will be doing to plan to have the best conference.
Dotan Tamir:Wow. hopefully to bring some more people with us because we are only two. well, to me, the, I, I I'm, I'm, I'm following the, the topics. There's the topic of metaverse and web three that we haven't discussed here at all. I don't know if anybody here is. Is is, is feeling part of this, but I'm, I'm very excited to learn about how people connect between educational concepts and technologies to the metaverse and web three. I have my own initial thoughts about that, but I feel like this is gonna be an interesting topic because this is a big buzzword, a few buzzwords and big waves that are part of a current investments. So that's what I'm gonna, I hope to discuss. And of course, yeah, just like Dominican and just like really meeting founders, meeting investors, funds, getting ideas cuz last year, Josh, I, I don't even remember, but we got some amazing ideas from people just by discussions that we were quick to implement right after we came by. So this is, this is a very important, point in time for us.
Joshua Chernikoff:Going to the conference. I think some of those ideas we implemented that night, you know, we, we sat around after we had all these ideas. Ah, we're gonna go out, we're gonna meet people. We sat down and we took notes and I think we immediately implemented them. so I wanna ask Alan name a specific way. You are hoping to benefit from this year's conference,
Alan Cabello:looking for a CTO.
Joshua Chernikoff:Okay, put it
Raphael Nolden:out there.
Alan Cabello:so dead startups is the best place to find top talent so you can't get to know the dead startups when they're dead. So you find them when they're they're still alive. so that's kind of a number one, target, second inspiration, kind of exploration of, of, of what's in the market. In other fields, we learn about education with children. We learn about developing, which is different from what we're doing, but how can we actually build on each other's knowledge? and third, we're not at this moment looking for, for investors for profitable and self-funded, but kind to understand what the, the dynamics are, for that in the future for growth.
Joshua Chernikoff:So, so hello to a future CTO. To join a profitable and self-funded company. That sounds like a nice opportunity. So I do believe that you put stuff out in the world, it will come to you. So you're waving somewhere to your CTO. That's awesome. and hopefully that person will walk up to you in San Diego. it sounds like we have to do a follow up conversation on that. so we will go to Rafael. and, not sure if you've had a chance to kind of. Dive into to the app. but has there a been a specific panel that you have said, I don't care. Who wants to meet me more or less? I gotta go to this panel. I gotta watch this panel. Is there one panel that's jumping out at you?
Raphael Nolden:No, I, I can't actually say that I found that yet. I'm, I'm also going there primarily to meet with other companies, very keen to full partnerships with companies around past the world who wanna bring our technology, into their local market. we have different options of how they work and integrate their app, et cetera. So I think a lot of my focus will be just about meeting other people and other startups and connecting with them. Of course, I would take the, the chance to. Watch some of the inspirational panels and things along the way too, but I literally just got off a plane about an hour or two ago coming back for another education conference in the us. So I was gonna look at the, the, for more detail, over the weekend
Joshua Chernikoff:one conference at a time, you know, makes perfect sense. Doon. I, I haven't asked you this yet because we have to get through, we wanted to get through this webinar next week's webinar. We're gonna talk about the future of the online educator. admittedly, so that panel hasn't jumped out at me, but I haven't done too much research myself. Have you, have you dove in and found some panel at our must see for us?
Dotan Tamir:I need to do that work. be honest, but, I did, I did, I did, like, paint some, some, sessions there, especially around, web three. And, and metaverse, it seems like, a, a very big topic there, but, the cool thing is that we are also gonna be there. For the second time and like clearly and right. it's the first time for everybody else. and I feel like, we can, you know, when you are planning to go there, even in the last few days before actually being there, you start coming up with a lot of questions. So. I'll be very happy to, be there for people who just want a quick answer about what's that and how's this going? And should I be there? Should I put that in my calendar? based on our experience from last year, it's, it's exciting. It's, it's probably gonna be two times, maybe three times bigger. And then last year, due to the no restrictions anymore, or kind of almost no restrictions. So it's gonna be very, very big, maybe the biggest ever. So I really look forward to that.
Joshua Chernikoff:Yeah. I think it's, safe to say that we've, it's good. We've all been honest, that we haven't done too much research heading into the conference. hopefully because we all have been working on our businesses that are also trying to close the achievement gap. I saw doin with a no and in an eye roll. So like, yes. Oh my gosh. That's what I'm doing. is that right?
Domenica Obando:Absolutely. Right. But after this, space, I definitely need to dig, dive more in the conference than what's coming, but yeah. So exciting. Cool. I think it's going to be great.
Joshua Chernikoff:It will be great. Let's hold ourselves accountable. Let's all promise. Pinky swear. You know, that we will dive in after this cuz we, we did some important work here talking about the achieve gap. The real work takes place. You know, obviously when the cameras are off and probably late at night, but we will be at ASU GSV. We will be partnering up with people. The whole goal, is in, in this case to make online, learning more accessible and close the achievement gap. And I think we're doing that. We at least are taking steps together forward based on this conversation. So. Wanna thank everybody for joining next week. We'll be talking about the future of the online educator, please. the conversation does not have to end here. we have a really great Facebook group of educators who get together and talk and support each other. So, if you can't meet us in San Diego, you can meet us online at our Facebook group, and let's all keep going together to close the achievement gap. Thank you very much for joining us and we'll see you next week.
Lily Hagen:You. You.