Lifelong Educators Show

17 | 5 biggest challenges and opportunities shared by the top experts in Virtual Art field

January 26, 2022 Season 1 Episode 17
Lifelong Educators Show
17 | 5 biggest challenges and opportunities shared by the top experts in Virtual Art field
Show Notes Transcript

Online enrichment has been exploding in the past 2 years, and the arts have been one of its leading verticals. BUT there are unique opportunities and critical challenges that you need to master to find success. To help you out, we’ve invited the top experts in this field to share best practices that drive growth in the field of online art classes.

In this fascinating event, we will cover:

  • How to convince parents of the value of online art experiences.
  • How to leverage online teaching for developing character and life skills, while keeping it fun.
  • How to onboard and manage a large group of teachers, while keeping high standards.
  • How to differentiate and create your own niche.
  • And much more!

Our panel of experts includes:

You do not want to miss this incredible event and the critical lessons it will deliver.


Josh Chernikoff:

Hello, art course creators. We're excited to have you here live with us today. As we hear from a panel of top online art educators, we know you have what it takes to create virtual classes of your own, and we want to help you improve ratings and revenue with difference making tips and tricks from our powerful panel today. Here's what we will talk about, how to convince parents of the value of online art, learning, how to leverage. Online teaching for development and fun, how to onboard and manage a large group of teachers and how to differentiate and create your own niche in the space. So we can't wait to see where today's expert advice will take you and your business here's to growing your business, impacting the lives of students with incredible online. Class creation. It's almost time to dive in, but first we are going to hear from Dotan Tamir who was kind of brought us here via cook to, to have this great discussion though. Tom, it's all yours.

Dotan Tamir:

Thank you so much, Josh, so hi, Orlando Tannen from click to click through is an end to end solution for enrichment providers who are actually looking to thrive in the online space, but we're not just a software platform. We actually understand what turns an online course and online. Experience into an amazing experience and an amazing journey for kids. So today we have lots of interesting things, plant, so stick with us all the way to the end, but that won't be hard because this discussion today is very relevant to where the industry is right now. And online. Obviously, it's here to stay as, we all estimate and, we all have to Excel at it. so there's a lot to do. We've got some challenging questions for our wonderful panelists and I really want to thank this amazing panel of experts. And I'm ready, Josh. If you're ready, let's start.

Josh Chernikoff:

I'm always ready. I've got a few housekeeping. Tips that we've got to go through. So we know the is powerful and the group of people in the audience is powerful as well. We've got founders, CEOs, owners, key executives at some of the nation's top online art course providers. So from our guest, To our panelists. Each panelist will have a question to answer. I will give a short bio on each one of them so they can get straight to the answer. And these questions will help you with your business. So let's meet our first panelists. It is fate Lou she's the founder of winged canvas. So wink canvas is an art studio and gallery that boasts a wide array of programs and services from art camps, art classes, art parties, wind canvas one-stop shop. And I love this from taking a, a new finger painter to the next generation Vincent bank. Fade your question. How do you convince parents like myself of the value of online art experiences?

Fei Lu:

That's a great question, because I know even though online learning has been around for a very long time, it's still new to the majority of us and for parents. And a lot of us are used to in person learning the connection of it, the tactileness of it, especially in arts. So it's very, a lot of people are very skeptical and my answer is we just let our parents try it. You know, you really have to try it and see if it's right for your child. Online learning is not. You know, not the best type of learning for everybody. Obviously there are challenges, but there are so many wonderful opportunities as well. And we've found that, you know, it could be something very simple as having a good internet connection. Right. But it's also, we found a lot of children who. Their artwork all the time. Now they have a lot more opportunities to connect with their teacher privately through chat or through online, through our classroom. And, we found a lot of children who previously had learning challenges and learning disabilities actually thrive in the online space. So it really is about trying it out, because not all programs are the same and, you know, it's, it's very, it's very different. It's a very different experience for everybody. and in terms of how so Winged canvas, before we were an in-person studio and we ha you know, taught for seven years, just like, you know, people coming in and out of our space. And when we transitioned online, we had to figure out. everything from equipment to different ways of communicating, you know, to reminders. and, and also just providing free resources and valuable tips for, for parents because, you know, that's something that, I believe we should all be sharing.

Dotan Tamir:

Yeah. Hey, I know you have, a unique, positioning online. I've a unique way of really attracting the audience and showing them, the great things that you are offering, men. I think you have a great YouTube channel to talk more about that.

Fei Lu:

Thank you. Well, we decided, you know what? We have a duty, you know, everybody's in locked down and we all know that visual arts and arts in general is really good for the soul. And especially during a time where everybody is so isolated. So we started making YouTube videos, tutorials. Just showing people how to stay creative. And, we have a very unique culture at wind canvas. We love art nerds. You know, the people who just need to be creative, who live and breathe art, not, not just people who, you know, dabble once or twice, but those who are really. Passionate about it. It's a big part of who they are. And so over a year, we've actually grown to about 20,000 all. We're almost there. Well, unless that 20,000, subs, people who found us all over the world who identify with this partnered, you know, way of life. And so, we've also accidentally built an online art. Which has really brought us so much, Joyce. So it's really a big adventure. And I feel like there's so many opportunities with online learning virtual learning as well, because some, some people need to be there live. Some people can really learn well asynchronously, but again, everybody is different.

Josh Chernikoff:

Yeah. You, I mean, you're the classic case and we love hearing these stories. We have spent a lot of time in this pandemic hearing tragic stories, but you hear those pandemic opportunities and it sounds like, you know, you've, you've given away free resources check and you've got 20,000 people who have joined your community, which is just fantastic. So congrats on that. So I'm going to bring in young Chan young is a professor of visual arts. He loves to create online courses and programs with new media. Young has been a professor at bunker hill community college teaching. Painting watercolors drawing illustrations, interactive design and developing online college courses with interactive media for the past 13 years. So, professor welcome. You have got your question. It is. How do you differentiate? Your own needs.

Yong Chen:

Thank you very much, Josh. That is a great opportunity. It would be able to R tell their story about enjoying art artists, community so full. Is it it's just like a, just like everyone else. That's like when we started it, it's probably not where they have a clear agenda, a clear outline what we're going to do. We all probably go into that, like a, by our passion, like a driven there's this, because we want to share, we want to teach. You want to help others to become. Better. So it's just, it's such a shushing kind of like a journey that is, so I always liked building up community. That first thing when I was, or, in my first college, when I was 18 years old, I started to create a college students at art club fine arts society And supported by the college. And we have a very big group and interesting enough like right now is like a 40 years later. It's still exist in that college It's still running on it's own. So after they came to Boston and, I. We learn the English, just like most of the immigrants. And we define our direction to see how, we can fit into this, new world. And I learned English in a college and studied graphic design and illustration, and also, working in as a graphic design, Illustrator for children's book. And just do what I like to do, and eventually brought me back to teaching. So I have to, actually, I started teaching again in this country, is about this, 27 years ago, in a study from Massachusetts college of art and design. And this is a great college. This is where I got my, I finished my four year degree in the industry. So, come back to that as our one is started to study teaching actually, before I started teaching full time at Banco community college, I already have my website, Yung chen.com as a teacher. platform and offering some video teaching demonstrations Ming-Li in watercolor because at that time I was teaching a watercolor cause call watercolor portraiture in mass college of art and design. So, so I have a loss of the watercolor demonstrations on young chan.com and later when, U2, became, You know, popular and available. And I started to upload my video over there. And when I started teaching at, full full-time at the college and our, the college clown that there's wow, you have very good channel and maybe one day create or, some online courses for some students cannot come to. The college, to take courses because it is, some, some kind of very unique, assistance as unique things in the community college that is some student, they are single parents, some student I working parents. So they, they cannot come to the school, for some time during the, the daytime. So I created online water. Three credit college caused and, and became very popular and that, and they had created the drawing fundamental drawing class and then the events, watercolor class and so on. So because I'm teaching online I also use the same technology, the same way that I record all my demonstrations in class classes and that put it on YouTube and let the students. Watch them, at home before they start doing their homework and then later that channel become very popular and then become some, subscribers on YouTube. They asked her about, can we support you? And then we started to create our own. EnjoyingArt a community using the platform of Patreon And then later we realized that this is not enough

Dotan Tamir:

On my previous curve was the conversation was young. One of the things that's really excited me is the fact that, is combining now arts and NFC in blockchain. And I didn't know that this can, this combination can even exist. And then, so I encourage everybody to go to website and see, more about that. and it's, it's exciting and I'm waiting to see a. Blockchain art class offering coming, coming soon from somebody, Fe do you want to, also give a perspective on, on creating your own needs?

Fei Lu:

Sure. I, I actually have a branding background. I was in advertising for seven years, so I do know that space very well. And my tip for other online educators is to really just know your niche. You know, we can't serve everybody. Your school should, you know, knowing your audience and who that audience serves is probably the best ingredient for branding success for us. It's the art nerds, right? From our methodology to our. To our calling and to all the other people in our community. We're all we all identify as art nerds and young I, your YouTube channel is very impressive. And I, I definitely see there is a niche that you've found as well.

Josh Chernikoff:

Yeah, totally. And you know, what's, what's really neat about Young's answer. It started with community and his thought process, and we all know buzz. The buzz word now is community. You know, his thought process about community started many, many decades ago. So you've been building these communities long before the buzzword was community, which is basically again, You know what we're trying to build here and I'm going to bring somebody else in the community gin. He ran court's CEO and founder of young art. Young art started in 2013. The team believes that by fostering a vibrant atmosphere to learn and inspire creativity, they are purposefully equipping young artists with the foundation to advance their confidence engine nuity and skillsets. So we've got your question. How do you leverage online teaching for developing characters? And life skills. Wow. Keeping it fun. And you clearly like to keep things fun because that Uber driver, you mentioned, said you like to smile a lot and you're holding that end of the bargain up for sure.

Ginhee Rancourt:

Well, thank you, Josh, for the very generous introduction and thank you, Josh and Dotan for just paving the way with your fearlessness in our space, your, the Solomons in our fields. And I'm honored to be here with you all today and with my fellow panelists, pleasure to join you. So thank you for the question. actually, I wanted to start off by saying I didn't start this company to be a founder of CDL actually started it because I became legal guardian of my seven younger brothers and sisters overnight in 2013. And I introduced something as Theodore Roosevelt would say. With what you have and where you are. So it was a very humble journey for me and through the process of that. I think I started to understand What, are parents really looking for? And here in my area, in Northern California, parents, aren't so much looking for, their child to exceed them in resource. Accumulation or maybe in their education levels, they really want their child to make an impact. They want their child to go further than they have and to do more good in the world. So what are the things that build character, to get a child ready to make a global impact. what are the things that we can use in art to help prepare a child and nurture them to really think forward, to think of how can I be my best and highest. self Some of the things that we've learned, especially during COVID over the last few months is if we can inspire learners to take ruthless initiative in the problem solving process and present them with multiple ways to solve problems in their art, whether they're. First not happy with the first draft that they create. That's such a natural human reaction, it's like perfectionism and trying to achieve what I see in my head, but I can't get it out of my paper or my tablet, how to work past that because ultimately in life, They're going to have problems to solve.

Fei Lu:

So can we cultivate the ability to adapt and bounce back quickly and really learn from inevitable mistakes and errors and teach a child to demonstrate courage and trying something new.

Ginhee Rancourt:

Keeping an open heart and understanding that in this whole learning adventure, there's going to be moments where they'll say I failed and I messed up, but actually that's the most beautiful part because then through that, they learn the value in failing. They learn that obstacles can be tackled and their joy

Fei Lu:

in learning through multiple

Ginhee Rancourt:

iterations because we have to try that in our life. I know my fellow paddles is entrepreneur. Probably a no stranger to the fact that they have to, you know, fall down, get up, fall down, get up, and the faster you can do that, the faster you'll be ready to make that impact in the world because you'll understand empathy and compassion.

Fei Lu:

And so, you know,

Ginhee Rancourt:

in our art space, I think it's about the joy of creativity. It's the one subject that there isn't like this hard. Right and wrong, like math or science is all about expression and taking the emotion from the heart and sharing that joy and art classes, give them the skill to develop creative confidence, to be both communicators that way. So the character traits that I, I told my siblings as I was praising them, they're they're now all flown the nest. So I'm an empty nester, but I would tell them things like. When you do bad, like mess up, break something, it's teaching you things like grit. Well, what does that mean? That means that you have a tough outer shell and you can take feedback and criticism and that you become hungry for that. And so I think a child that's entering the world ready to say, at least I'm going to take this first step. And. I'm going to try my first stab at it. And if it's a flop, I have people around me are going to give me the feedback and input. I'm going to soak that up and go forward even stronger. And so with online art classes, though, we can't tangibly touch and help

Fei Lu:

our

Ginhee Rancourt:

students. Hands-on like we can person we're able to just reach across and say, show us your best. Put your heart into it. And when they hold up their art in screen in the classes and the live classes and they show the teacher and the teacher says, I love the originality. I like that you took that concept and you made it your own. I think the confidence it gives the child internally. It does give them kind of an understanding that even though it's not perfect, It's the process of trying. It's the fact that I made the effort and gave it my best. And that's what we're trying to do here at young heart. I know that's what my fellow panelists are all working hard day and night. And, yeah, that's

Bette Fetter:

that's all for me. Thank you.

Josh Chernikoff:

The only thing about failing, right?

Dotan Tamir:

No. What is that earlier with the exam? I never heard about failing, but budget needs. First of all, it's so inspiring, your, your story and how you are using this platform of teaching, to really develop those life skills as kids. And, you, you did speak about. How you doing it online as well, but I'll play the devil's advocate here and say, wait, you know, kids are at their home. You have them for maybe an hour, maybe two hours in front of the screen. Does it really make an impact when they're at home? Is online, really working? Is there actually something that's not working that's working better in person or. Did you and I'm no, I'm asking a lot of questions. So pick one. And did you find any, anything that actually worked even better, maybe some opportunity in the online space that doesn't exist in the in-person for making this kind of a personal growth and life skills?

Josh Chernikoff:

Yeah, there's a

Bette Fetter:

lot of questions.

Ginhee Rancourt:

Here's what I'll say. When I first started off, we were all brick and mortar and I was opening in high end shopping malls I was kind of gutsy, but I made a lot of mistakes and I, made a lot of errors. and I learned, In that essence, the goal of expansion was to do more good for more kids at a faster rate. So I thought before, Hey, if I open more physical brick and mortar sites I'll reach more communities We'll help. Low-income learners We'll help give access to kids who don't have, the ability to join and give scholarships. That was my first thought, but just kind of like what I said earlier, it was about kind of learning. Does this work, does this not? And then when we went online, I realized. All right. We are able to reach more children at a faster rate and do more good, so we can still do give back and we can still make that impact. But we learned that on a broader scale, we can serve at a higher level. One of the things I would say is that was meaningful for children. I think what keeps them coming back is a personal connection with their instructor. So if it's a live class and the teacher is able to call out those students. by name that individual attention. means a lot to the child. Also they're a community of learners developing these friendships with children around the world. I think that's the most beautiful. part

Josh Chernikoff:

So make it fun and make a connection. And a, I want, before we move over to Bette Fetters, there's a lot of discussion going on in the chat. We all want to listen to Bette, but I think there's some questions that young can answer in the chat to some people. So we want to make sure we're helping out Bette Fetter, Bette and I have actually been working together in the enrichment space for many years. We, we hadn't spoken until today. But here we are in the online space. Bette is the founder of young rambler. The she's an Amazon number one bestseller with her book being visual and our self-titled bog, Bette fetter.com. So Bette here is your question. How do you maintain your high standards of teaching when transitioning to online? And clearly you've got some very high standards because you have how many franchises and young members.

Bette Fetter:

Well, we were at a hundred franchises and we have some international, so we've lost a few during this season, but, we love our franchisees, so they are all over the states, Canada, and we have India and we have some classes starting in China, and we're a little different than everybody and that. well, first thing you want to pause and say, Jenny, that was lovely. You are so inspiring. I think everybody on this call just feels so much better about doing a art class. Anything you are wonderful. but we're working with young kids and our idea is that we're going to be the ones that could teach these fundamental, how to draw skills. So when they get into these other more creative environments, they have that fundamental understanding. So for us, we teach three to five at elementary. So we knew right away, don't even go with those three to fives right off the bat. let's not worry about trying to get a four year old in front of the computer and we focused on elementary. We. love to teach live But we moved into that online space during COVID and we have some prerecorded lessons that we deliver through a different site called art kids rock kind of a subscription idea. But our online classes are taught by our franchisees and their teachers. But what we found really important was identifying the key things in your method. So for us, it's this. very Step-by-step instruction. It's a lot of visual step-by-step drawings because we are wanting to learn how to draw a face. How do I draw a body? How do I draw a cat And, but the other part is really good. Camera, good lighting. And for us, it's a lot about the communication because when you're talking to a bunch of adults or 65 and over Very different than when you're talking to six and eight year olds. And so a lot of checking in with them, a lot of simple directions and language, but a lot of, so to me, it's curriculum teaching method. And then for us, it's then your language. And so I think for anybody, identify what you have that is unique. And don't try to be everything, but identify your unique points and make sure that you're really clear in putting that in your plan.

Josh Chernikoff:

Clearly, you've done that with all those franchises that you have. I have a personal story about one of your franchisees. When the, when the pandemic started, my daughter took one of your classes. She was six at the time and you know, I'm downstairs working. My wife is the basement working and I come upstairs to check and the camera. You know, which is you would think focused on her was going all of these different directions. And I, you know, I said, Camilo, Paki, mute it. And I said, what, what is going on? She said, Papi, you know, I think they're looking at my hand, you know, and your instructor. I was watching her draw and making sure that she was a, you know, kind of holding the crayon correctly and saying, Hey, you want to draw in the lines or outside the lines. All that they were doing at that point was encouraging her. So in that, in that respect, you know, maybe, the online space provides you with an opportunity. To have more hands-on and connection with the kids. So Dotan, have you taken any online art classes? Like Camilo? I

Dotan Tamir:

wish, because my, my art skills are, not as, as good, I'm more of a techie person, but I really admire art. and, even had the, museum subscription here in Televiv, for, for a couple of years. And, but Betsy, I, I, we relate to what Josh is saying, and I wonder, You know, the, the there's, it's always hard to find the right trainers, the right instructors and keep them in the high standards, especially when you run at so many locations around the country. So I imagine it's already hard to do it in the in-person space. Do you, did you find, opportunities in the online space for. You know, D did you ever hire, maybe, maybe it's a question to your franchisees, but did they hire new instructors when it was still online and they had to do all the hiring and training and monitoring online? Well, they,

Bette Fetter:

most of our franchisees had a staff of, you know, some of them had as many as like 30 to 80 part-time instructors. So when things closed down, we didn't have 30 to 50 online classes going. And so, and some people were comfortable being unlined. So that's another point. Yeah. Make sure you're using someone who's very comfortable in that online space and that you've trained them. You know, if it's not, you make sure you're training them because teaching online is different than teaching in person. And so, yeah, we did all, we put a lot of time into training. How did teach online,

Josh Chernikoff:

Fe wanted to talk about teaching.

Fei Lu:

Yes, Benny, your story's super inspiring and congratulations for expanding all over the world. That's amazing. I definitely agree with Bette in terms of the teaching method and how important that is because the creative process is a giant mystery to a lot of people. And I think, especially for kids when they're learning and kind of discovering how to really Go from an idea to something that they're really proud of and something that is meaningful. So, our teaching methodology at Winged canvas is the nerd teaching methodology, and the N stands for nurture, you know, so always showing inspiration, you know, Artists are like batteries. We can't just keep creating, creating without absorbing and learning. so nurturing with visual examples and constantly inspiring our students is a big part of the process. The E stands for explore. So discussing those concepts and really understanding what we saw. not just copying something because copying something isn't really. that important anymore. It's really about expressing and actually, being able to interpret what you've observed, then comes the recreate part, which is what Bette was talking about. The ha the how, because schools don't really teach the how and the, how is so important. And that's when you actually learn the step-by-step, you know how to start with shades, how to deconstruct, Things like that, you know, your elements and principles and how to apply them. And then the crucial part, I think that's missing is the design part. So the D stands for design. the design is really making it your own and really making an effort to see how you can apply. Your art skills to practical things, you know, like designing things that people use every day and making, you know, being a source of joy. so the, design part is also very practical. It's the applied arts, and I think that's, you know, I'm interested in, really learning more about all of your teaching methodologies, because I think it's, a very unique aspect of teaching online and having a school.

Josh Chernikoff:

I want to let our professor way back in here, who's taught for many years design and kind of going backwards. All of the elements you've talked about. Yon, can you talk about also, that offline and online, the differences that are, we know many of them very clear, but talk about some of the new ones.

Yong Chen:

This is great. This is great. I actually, I, I am a, probably a very rare situation. The M teaching, both online and offline, and I spoke sample the watercolor class at the college. I teach are a couple of sections actually in classroom. I will see them like, every week, How do you progress? Stop from how to use the water, how to mix the color and so on. And I also have a couple online classes, which is very much the same content. I use the video as the, learning, teaching method, and then used there also have a way for them. Upload the work every week, before they're that, that line up for review and so on. But by the end of the semester, over the 10 years observation and looking at the difference between the two sides of learning. And I feel like more people, more students success. So we talk about those adult students. They are about 20, early, 20, 20, most, most students as successful through their semester, learning in a color or drawing. Then the student actually coming into the real class. That, that is very interesting. Our, this is not really the reason two years. They asked it back to, you know, 19, 2009, 2010, and that is a year. I would say I would take that title because most colleges now, they don't even have a much of studio app classes offer, online. And I, I, we started for three college credits, starting from 2009. So it's a very. So, so I have been learning how to actually create a weight, a unique way to communicate. So that is very similar to the real wheel face-to-face class. But however, somehow the advantage that what, what the technology offers. It actually makes students have more focus and concentration continuing on their learning, not just like, oh, the three hours it's up. okay, now, I have to get out of the classroom and then next class was going to come in. And then when you go home, you probably already lost interest. So while you're at home, you'll be able to sit down and start learning, follow the video and doing your exercise and getting your own prop, put it in front of you and draw and painting. And you can go all the way, like 5 hours, 10 hours. This is what those students are doing really great. At the end of the semester, they can actually they started where they didn't know how to draw a line, or shade, but at the end they can draw themselves. They can draw their mom. They can draw their girlfriend boyfriend. Oh

Josh Chernikoff:

my God. This is, yeah, you've got some, you've got some fans in the chats. I want to move you back over to the chat so that you can, you know, say hi to all your doing fans. But I wanted to bring one thing up before we kind of roll in and talk a little bit to Dalton. Young, when you said that the sucks. As much, or maybe even more success online. I saw Bette kind of go like this. I don't have the value or the ability to do instant replay, but you made some face and noise and I feel like it might've been potential. You're heartbreaking a little bit, you know, can you talk about how you've seen clearly it moved from in-person to online?

Bette Fetter:

Well, no, I was making more of a face about the idea that you would go to college to learn art and you don't have studio art class. Like that is just ridiculous. Or even if you're going to do things online, do the classic, you know, mean like this idea that we're all going to become grappa Gardas or illustrators, but we don't really know how to draw or the foundation of art just makes me crazy. I agree with Yong that the amount kids can repeat or adults the best part of online. is eternal and you can do that same video again and again and again until you master it and it gives you the next idea and the next. So, there's so much, inspiration and potential and, learning opportunity in that that. online

Josh Chernikoff:

That's awesome. We're excited about it. That's what we're here for. I want to talk a little bit to dotage and, and our chat that you guys can't see, you know, our panelists are w we want to talk about this one on top of that. So we might have to have round two of this, which is perfectly wonderful. So Dotan, you know, can you talk about the experiences that, that you specifically have had in me on the periphery. Of talking to enrich and providers, and how they are taking their experiences online. And as you've gone onto the hood with them, what you're seeing and how you can help others.

Dotan Tamir:

Yeah, yeah, sure. As you said, the chat has a lot of interesting topics and, What I would say is let's before I even talk on that, let's put the link to the Facebook group, on the chat, because I think, we're gonna, we're gonna wrap up in a few minutes, but, and we have some nice stuff to show you before we wrap up, but let's continue the conversation on the Facebook group. there are, CEO's owners program directors of online. Academy's online classes, online and enrichment providers. not just from the Artspace space, but from other space that are, that are really looking to meet people like them, like you, so join us on that group and let's keep the conversation going and support each other on this journey. at clique too, you know, we've been putting some hard working. and we're seeing the results poorer in. We talking to entrepreneurs and business owners most, every day, we're learning about the needs of online enrichment providers. What works well, what to stay away from, actually spoke to. Each and every of the panelists here before and learn so much, from that, those conversations as well. so I'm happy to take what I've learned and look under the hood of your offering in your operation. I'm talking to you in the, in the audience. and we can dig in to see if there are any sound, if there are some recommendations for improvements to make. so we've actually opened up several times slots, in the next week and to, to be able to meet everyone who joined the webinar. There's going to be a link, to a, to a click to page here on the chat, where you can find the best time for a good one-on-one talk. now, so let's get the conversation going in a Facebook group. Let's meet one-on-one. And let me tell you a little bit about what click two is. cause I think that's very relevant for probably. Almost everybody here on the, in the audience, you know, at click to we've created an effective, easy to use platform for live class enrichment providers. You know, we, we understand the process. There's a lot of, overhead administrative. Building all those classes and monitoring them and making sure they're working and everything is, is, is, is really, you know, seamlessly moving. There are many, many moving parts, so clicks. You can really help you eliminate all this administrative overhead and the technology headache and let you focus on perfecting your programs, scaling your audience, make which overall, which on top of all makes a much greater impact. Let me show you a one minute, example of how it looks like. And then we'll be back for some, news and wrap up. All right. All right. So, Joyce is going to put the links in the chat. Now I see you can all join us on the Facebook group and find the one-on-one time as well. Josh back to you, or you want me to, to say some news about, click to

Josh Chernikoff:

the journalist in me who went to Northwestern close to where Bette's from, says we've got some news and you should share.

Dotan Tamir:

Oh yeah. We're very, probably were just, it was just yesterday that the click two was selected to the elite 200, which is basically a group of the most innovative and influencing, early stage startups in the education technology space. Yeah, so we very proud, we made a great progress in the past year and we will come into San Diego in April. so to hope to meet some of you in person over there.

Josh Chernikoff:

This elite 200 is a real honor. It's an honor to be a part of this team, recognized. And we're going to San Diego for the ASU GSB conference. I can promise there's a lot of failure that was involved in getting there, but as we all know, and we learned in one of our previous, webinars, we were talking about chess. You can win. You can draw or you can learn and similar to what was being discussed today, about, just art and going for it. So we appreciate you all coming and going for it and joining this panel. we could, we could go for hours and days discussing. It seems like there's so much. Energy and experience in this group. Let's take it all over that community. The information is there to keep the conversation going. I'll talk to Dalton and see if we can get round to, but we're going to get out of here right at 45 minutes. I appreciate everybody for staying on time and joining us

Dotan Tamir:

thank you everybody on the panel. Thanks.

Josh Chernikoff:

Yeah, totally fun. Thank you everybody.