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The year is 2005... Anakin turns to the dark side, YouTube makes its debut and we’re all couch-jumping for Maria, McDreamy and The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo…
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Brangelina soft launches and Tyson taps out
Rewind to 12 to 18 June 2005, when Mike Tyson retired mid-fight, Brangelina launches with explosives, Etsy was born and Florence Aubenas emerged from the shadows of war.
🧨 Mr. & Mrs. scandal. Brad and Angelina play married assassins in Mr. & Mrs. Smith but the real fireworks were off-screen. Enter: the Brangelina era. Exit: Jen’s peace of mind.
🕊️ Florence freed. French journalist Florence Aubenas is released after five months held hostage in Iraq. Her return becomes a symbol of press freedom and blindfolded resilience.
⚖️ Not guilty. Michael Jackson is acquitted on all charges in a polarising courtroom circus. Fans release doves. Critics roll eyes. The King of Pop walks free, but not unscathed.
🇹🇱 Mission complete. Australia quietly pulls its final peacekeepers from East Timor, wrapping up a six-year stint of stabilising, rebuilding and dodging thanks or fanfare.
🥊 Iron Mike clocks out. Mike Tyson calls it quits mid-fight, proving that even the baddest man on the planet sometimes just wants to sit down and not get punched.
🧶 From glue gun to global. Etsy launches with scarves and reclaimed wood… fast-forward to taxidermy pope mice and Nicolas Cage fidget toys. The internet gets weird, handmade.
👋 Say their name (one last time). Destiny’s Child announce their breakup mid-tour. Beyoncé’s solo world domination is locked and loaded. Cue emotional damage and choreo nostalgia.
🎶 Backstreet’s back (but moodier). The Backstreet Boys return with Never Gone—guitars, midlife ballads and emotional eyeliner. They're older, softer and still not just a 90s punchline.
📚 1776: the page-turner that wasn’t. David McCullough’s epic on the American Revolution inspires… extreme Amazon reviews. “Like eating a brick” says one. Revolutionary? Sure. Entertaining? Not so much.
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The year is 2005. Anakin turns to the Dark side, YouTube debuts, and we couch jump for Mariah Mcdreamy and a girl with the Dragon Tattoo t -, 20 rewind 20 years with Joe and Mound.
Well.
June 2000.
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My question is who approved that?
Where this is going? Not really.
This is t -, 20 your weekly time machine to the most unhinged headlines, chart toppers, and pop culture chaos from exactly 20 years ago. We're talking iconic meltdowns, forgotten bangers, moments that made you say.
Hi.
Yeah, really 2005 with your host Joe and Mel. Hello, Mel.
Was that?
I can't believe that was 20 years ago. I feel like I say that every week. Actually, we are rewinding to the 12th to the 18th of June. We're gonna set your ringtone to crazy frog. Light a candle for the Backstreet Boys, cause we've got scandals, split ups. And a surprisingly emotional hostage situation.
Well, that is.
It's. We don't like the word. Breaker.
Hard.
It sounds really. Sad. We we we like to.
Say that it's the end. Of of a chapter in our.
Lives no.
There was the end of somebody's chapter in their lives, not the hostage situation. Don't worry. But I feel like 2 of the Members of this group may have felt like they were in a hostage situation from time to time. We'll find out who that is. Later on a huge pop culture pop music group that that announced that they were. Breaking up this time, it's so many years ago.
I ask all of you to wait and hear the truth. Before you label or condemn me, don't treat me like a criminal because I am innocent.
Or or a smooth criminal, perhaps.
Pyjamas in court. Doves in the. Air. And probably one of the biggest media circuses ever.
It was crazy town, crazy town, where of course, talking about Michael Jackson's trial ending this time 20 years ago, but still more controversy to follow.
I'm just sorry I let everybody down. I mean, I don't have this in my heart anymore. I'm just fighting to take care of my bills, basically.
That almost sounds like history. Repeating itself nowadays, doesn't it? Or the precursor to history repeating itself, says I and Mike Tyson saying 20 years ago that he didn't have it in him.
Paying the bill. See you later. Yeah.
A big sporting retirement story that we'll talk about a little bit later on.
Something I want to talk about now, OK. Irrational childhood fears. Yeah. Did you have any when you were growing up, you know, at the time you thought this is gonna be a really big problem in my life, probably for the rest of my life. And you put all these preparations in place. Umm, you were kept awake at night stressing about it. You learn how to stop, drop and roll all these things. You learn, you know, rhymes to keep you safe.
That.
And yeah, never really materialised any irrational fees. That you had.
I think. I wanna say earthquakes, but then there's been earthquake.
Well, yes, that's that's not irrational. I don't think that's a rational about the Bermuda Triangle. I felt like that was gonna cause a lot more chaos in my.
But. Really.
Yeah.
Life than what it has.
Well, I I just didn't go there.
I just thought it would.
I mean like.
I I just felt like it was gonna cause me problems. The Bermuda Triangle. I thought about it a lot.
Flipping me to try though. Could be worse.
Look it up, read it in the world book.
Jim. And Britannica. Would you go through your Ansett Starship crew packed? Just make sure there's some information on the Bermuda Triangle there. Yeah. Looking at the maps. Yeah.
Make sure we're not passing through the Bermuda Triangle while we while we fly to to Tasmania Quicksand was another one.
I that's definitely one that I thought was going to be more of a problem than.
Quicksand was in all the TV shows, quicksand and slowly, slowly sinking down and your arms out.
What it's turned. Out to be, yes. Yep.
And you know, is it going to go over your head how you're ever going to get out of it and someone comes with a lasso at the last minute and points you out? Felt like quicksand was going to be very bothersome.
Yeah. Yeah, that that was definitely one, I think like falling into water tanks.
Ohh yes yes.
You know, that was definitely one an Irrational 1.
They did drill that into you.
Yes. And and the raise and this is more of a, I guess, an urban myth type thing. The razor blades on the water slides.
Hmm.
The water slides. Ohh my gosh, I used every time I went to. What was it? What's it called now?
Yes.
I don't know. It's called the the big one.
Wet and wild.
No, the one in Canberra. Jamison Jamison.
Big Splash big Splash, which is derelict now. It's the the the well, it's it's abandoned. There's the urban explorers have been putting videos of it up on the TikTok, yes.
Yeah, big splash. It doesn't exist anymore. Really. Well, that's disappointing. But that was every time I went down the waterside for the first go, I'd always go hands first, right? Because I thought if I felt a sharp pain, that was the razor blade, I could quickly pull it out. Before. The rest of me went over it. That was my. That was my hack. That was my life back and how to not go.
Ohh I see.
Down the razor blade, Jamison.
Don't don't try that at home. Yeah.
The interior car light this.
Well, that was almost as life threatening as the razor blades on the water slides.
This was a this was more a parents thing like your parents. Had you convinced that if you turn that light on?
Yeah.
You'd drive off a Cliff. Don't turn the light on. I can't see we'll all crash and we'll die.
I've I I.
Felt like it was illegal to turn that. I thought if I turned it on, the police would come and I'd.
It is, I've I perpetuate that to this day I don't like the interior light being on. Yeah, you just don't know what's gonna happen.
Go to gaol. You do? Yeah, you do get annoyed. You've continued that tradition. What about the drain drain in the swimming pool?
What? Ohh like there's a plug in the pool? Yeah.
I was always given that. The drain it is a drain in the pool or the skimmer box. I'm scared.
Ohh you think you get sucked into the skimmer box.
Of the skimmer box. There was something on 60 minutes once where?
Somebody got sucked into this dimmer box.
Something happened. I'm not gonna. It was very graphic and I just had this irrational fear that yeah.
Say stay well away from the skimmer box. I was never afraid of that one.
Hmm. Hmm. What about food related?
Ohh well the the bubble gum or chewing gum, swallowing chewing gum or bubblegum taking seven years to digest.
Seven years. Years. That's a long time I.
It's the same amount of same amount of time that you suffer if bad luck if you break a.
Used to start the timer, yeah.
Mirror so.
I used to think I used to think what will I be doing when this chewing gum comes back out in seven years time? I might be driving might have my licence, might be out at a nightclub. Now comes that PK or the the juicy fruit wrigleys, yes.
You know? Yeah. Is it is it could this. Yeah. I mean, maybe if you broke a mirror, if you broke a mirror.
Yeah.
Yes, but if you broke a mirror like the same day that you broke. The mirror. You'd swallow a piece of chewing gum and then when you pooped out the chewing gum, that would herald the end of your seven years bad luck. So it'd be really putting a positive spin on the chewing gum.
And yeah. Swallowing the fruit. Seeds. Did your parents tell you that you'd grow whatever? Like, if you add a watermelon, you swallow the seeds, you gonna grow a watermelon in your guts now?
They get. You throw watermelons in your stomach. Yeah. No, that's very cool. That is very cool.
Cool.
And shoelaces on an escalator. That was my other irrational fear that.
Yeah. There. Yeah, yeah, that's that's a that's valid.
I felt was.
Going to be a big problem in my life.
I still get quite worried about being stuck on escalators regardless, and I don't like I get nervous when I people see people wearing thongs on escalators. Yeah, that's it. That's a worry too. They make me nervous. Or if they've got a little assistance dog.
No, it's never. Bill Crimes bill crime. Wide legged pants. Maybe.
That's terrible. It's me. Don't let the dog get eaten by the escalator. Well, it's time for the Hatch match of dispatch clue, a segment we do at the end of every show hatches, matches and dispatches. You know you love it. Everyone's morbidly attracted to hatches, matches and dispatches. I think it gets more and more the urge, the desire to consume. Matches, matches and dispatches. Gets greater as you get older.
Ohh does yeah. Do they still do it? They must still do it in the paper. That'd be the only reason they print the newspaper these days, isn't it? Just to let everyone know what's?
Yes. I'd. Anyway, surely surely.
Yeah, that it's. Going on, what are you talking about? Births, deaths and marriages. If you listen to the podcast role, you know exactly what we're talking about. A little clue that we're gonna play.
Yes.
Now could be somebody who was born, died, married, had a birthday, even just in general, that will feature at the end of the show. They said this.
Is.
Paula's on drugs or crazy or whatever, and I and she's just always been beautiful and and sweet.
Is Paula on drugs or crazy? Do you want to hit one more time?
Is Paula on drugs or crazy or whatever? And I and she's just always been beautiful and and sweet.
Always, always beautiful and sweet. We'll find out who that was. Is at the end of the show. Over to the news and on the 12th of June, French journalist Florence Alcanar and her Iraqi interpreter Hussein Hanan al Saadi were finally freed after 5 terrifying months in captivity, ending one of the most high profile hostage cases of the Iraq war. Yeah. Do you remember this? I don't, actually, yeah. Yeah. No, gladly researched it yet.
Do you?
Ohh OK. It was high profile.
Well, Albania was a reporter for liberation. I think that's liberacion. Perhaps the French publication. She'd flown to Baghdad in early 2005 to cover all the chaos that was happening on the ground there. And a few days later, on the 5th of January.
Yes.
Henry, she and our Saudi had disappeared. They I do remember this. I do vaguely remember the disappearance. But I mean, this was one among many.
Stories. I think the thing with this was, though, that there were no calls, there were no demands, there were no videos, no one was claiming responsibility. They're just simply disappeared.
Yeah, it's gone.
Now, it was later revealed that they were kidnapped by armed men as part of an investigation into an alleged theft. The two were actually lured away from a refugee camp in Baghdad as it was believed that her interpreter, Hussein, might have stolen some. Money. She later explained that our men had shown up. They claimed he'd taken the cash, arrested them both, but they had really no idea why they were being held because they didn't steal anything. They were separated and held in confined dark spaces, minimal communication between the two. She was often blindfolded and referred to.
Hmm.
By her captors as Leila or number six, she later recounted being allowed only limited movement and speech during her captivity. She also said that the captor repeatedly expressed frustration, saying that she was a lousy hostage at one point saying that and that kind of suggested that they were expecting something tangible for it.
But.
Like a ransom or something.
But they hadn't made any demands, which made it even more strange.
We gotta ask for it. They didn't do a video or anything. Didn't they have a video camera? Well, I mean, you know, it takes one to know one mate. Like I might be a lousy hostage. You're a pretty lousy captor. I mean, make light of it. The conditions that she was in were terrible, terrible. And back in France, they had this huge public campaign to bring her home.
Yeah.
Maybe not.
Yes.
There was posters, they had vigil. Schools they they're her mother, went on TV on live TV to plead for her release or or to find her. And and Florence Alcanar herself. Became this cry for freedom of the press, which was weird, I think, because we don't really know why she was kidnapped in the first place.
No, and I.
And I don't think it had anything to do with her being a journalist. It was just wrong place, wrong time.
Perhaps, and all of a sudden, then, they were released. Hmm. And the details around that were also pretty pretty murky. There was rumours that France had paid something like $10 million to secure the release.
Yeah.
But the officials in France said no, no ransom was paid. No group ever claimed responsibility. There was no clear motive.
That's right.
So we just, yeah, we don't know. We don't know. Why and and? We don't really know the details of. Of how they got released. Either very mysterious.
It's weird. It's a weird story. Yes, and I think the the there was the, the whole. It was very moving though, when she was released, she was very grateful and she.
Hmm.
She wasn't in good shape either. She quite. Thin, malnourished. You know, they she basically been kept in solitary the entire time. And so she thanked all the ordinary people around the world for keeping her name alive. And Al Saadi was also released alongside her. But he didn't get as much fanfare because he was not white.
Hmm.
That's what I think I.
I mean, he's just the interpreter, the interpreter said get the worst end of the deal the entire time. Whenever something bad's happening over there, it'd be like just send the interpreter out there first, make sure it's OK. It's like.
They do, they do.
Hmm, so you can go out and have a. Chat for me, yeah.
It's not a good, not a good.
Job this was a very rare happy ending, though we think about what had been going on in the years prior, it wasn't. Even that you ended up with a good outcome in these situations, so they were very lucky. It was a very rare happy ending. She later chronicled her ordeal in a book, turning trauma into testimony, reminding the world that journalism, particularly in conflict zones, is brave work with really high stakes.
Ohh it is, it is. It's very they're. I mean, they're mad. Really. Would you do it? I wouldn't do it. Do you wanna go over there and tell us what's happening back here? No, that's right. I'm not interested. No. Well, I am interested. I mean, it's important to report these things. They are very brave people. But it's that's scary stuff. This is also a little scary, I think. Unless you're a fan.
No.
No. Thanks.
Yes.
I guess this story about Michael Jackson. I remember this back in the day when he went to court and it was just a complete media circus like and it was lunacy.
Hmm.
When a British documentary in February 2003 repeated old rumours about Jackson, it also rung. Submission from him.
The most loving thing to do is to share your bed with someone.
That the pop star shared his bedroom with children innocently, he said, including boys like this young cancer survivor. But that was enough to trigger a criminal investigation by a District Attorney who had pursued Jackson.
Hi.
For a decade.
Get over here and get checked in.
It took almost a year, but Jackson was arrested. The Corp of A 10 count indictment, the charge that on at least 4 occasions at his Neverland ranch, he had given alcohol to that cancer patient and then molested him. It was a difficult case. The boy and his siblings and mother all proved to be such credibility. Challenge witnesses in the trial that most experts thought their testimony alone would not have led to a.
Conviction, unless there's physical evidence. If this jury doesn't believe this boy, then there's no case.
And there wasn't, after all, that because on the 13th of June. Michael Jackson, 14 weeks the trial went on more than 30 hours of jury deliberation. He was found not guilty on all charges in that child molestation case that everybody was watching at the time, which is probably why I didn't remember the story before because this was happening at the same time and this was just.
Ah yeah.
Completely dominating the.
Headlines. Yeah, around the clock coverage. I remember it. It was global. The reaction was intense.
Inline.
It was dubbed the trial of the century and the media attention was unprecedented. You had the major networks, CBS, NBC, ABC, even VH1, even the music channels were filming at the ranch outside the courtroom, interviewing all kinds of people, lots of celebrities.
Yeah.
Were were having their say and saying what they thought. But they had to.
Hmm.
Even do some reenactments of the courtroom proceedings, because cameras were actually prohibited in the courtroom.
I I don't think that mattered, though. I think there was so much colour and movement outside of the courtroom because the fans were all camped there.
With the fans, they. Out. As well as at the ranch.
Yeah. And then he'd show up and the cameras would go nuts. And I'd always be kooky cause he'd do really weird things. And he looked very gaunt and not very well at the time. There apparently came in at 1 stage in the pyjamas and he said that was because of back pain. Remember you were his PJ before.
As well I remember.
Yes.
Right.
Yeah, I remember the you know how they do the sketches. I remember the sketch of him in the pyjamas.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah. And then like he. But he never took the stand, ever. He and his family and stuff were there. So they had the remember the the well, the testimony was one of the big key moments where they argued that the defence argued that it was inconsistent and financially motivated. And I think that's what really swung. The jury and then remember the Jesus juice, the Jesus juice allegation that he serves wine to minors disguised in soda cans, and he called the Jesus use.
Ohh yes, this is true.
Is this juice, Macaulay Culkin.
That was the big that was a huge appearance, that one.
Took to the stands and Macaulay denied any inappropriate behaviour from Michael during his childhood visits to Neverland.
And he always has he. He's always defended, Michael Jackson, Macaulay Culkin.
Yeah, yeah, he has. Chris Tucker also testified.
He was good friends with him, yeah.
He testified that the family was exploiting Michael Jackson and Jay Leno. I don't know that Jay Leno took to the stand. I think it was more commentary through his show was expressing scepticism about the motives.
Hmm.
Yeah.
Noting their their frequent attention seeking antics. Hmm.
Yes, well, the the defence team that he had obviously. Best that money could buy, led by Thomas Mesereau.
Just.
Smashed the prosecution's case they painted a picture of a very flawed investigation and those financial motives bubbled to the surface from the the accuser's family. So the verdict gets read and Jackson. Very oddly, no emotion doesn't really express himself at all quite stone faced. Doesn't make a public statement. Leaves the courthouse, doesn't speak to anyone. And he didn't even do like. And I told you so or anything like that. Nothing. Just kind of just faded into the background, which was strange.
No, no. Yeah, sort of snuck off. But outside, obviously fans. And I remember the footage of this very, very clearly. Erupted in in celebration. It was very it was very dramatic and what they released doves or something into the into the air and they were crying and they was screaming. Yeah. What what happened?
What were they gonna do to the doves? Yeah. Would the doves of crying cause Prince would be really upset about that? I don't think he'd like that. No.
No, no. The fans were crying the the Doves were flying.
Yes.
Thing very, very emotional. And yeah, just I think this was one of the first times you really saw that really extended 24/7 coverage because we started having the pay TV networks that would run 24/7 and just seeing the way in which the media.
Yeah.
Kind of clung to it and were just there all the time. The fans, the emotion, and it was such. Was such a I guess a controversial and difficult topic as well.
Yeah. Well, because yeah, especially the topic. But I think it these days we, it's, we've now got all of these instances of celebrities behaving badly and doing bad things that are coming to the surface like R Kelly and and and Diddy at the moment.
Hmm.
That's happening and people like Vince McMahon as well. I I wonder in the well, I don't know, I mean, Michael Jackson has always been one of those ones where I'm like, I just feel like where there's smoke, there's some kind of fire. I I always have and I I know that the fans get really annoyed at that and there's a lot of people that absolutely still adore him and that was that was never more noticeable than when that not guilty verdict happened 20 years ago.
Yeah.
But it's just.
Peculiar. It's just peculiar.
And it was. It probably was the the first really public. Kind of fall from grace, or at least accusations. And now, like you say, you see.
Yeah, yeah.
That having more and more.
Well, I just think about money changing hands and non disclosure agreements and things like that and maybe they got wind of a story. I mean, it's all conspiracy theories that he was proven not guilty in a court of law though that's the end of that story in that regard. It was the end of a story for Australian peacekeeping troops over in East Timor.
Yeah, yeah.
Hmm.
Well, on the 13th of June, when they wrapped up their operation, their mission in East Timor, which was nearly six years of boots on the ground, support for one of Asia's youngest nations. I remember this very. Well, back in 1999, when they voted in East Timor for independence from Indonesia and it didn't go well, violence erupted pretty much straight away. And then Australia led the international force E Timor, into into fate. It was called to stabilise the chaos and it was a massive. Yield because it was our largest overseas military operation since Vietnam and it was a very. The I think defining moment for our military as well.
Australia and Indonesia are very different countries, but we are thrown together by geography and history and particularly recent history and will be forever partners in this part of the world and therefore there's an obligation on the part of the leaders of the countries, whoever they may be, from time to time. To work hard on the relationship and it's an important relationship for Australia, but the best thing I can. Who is the leader of a country that is very friendly towards E Timor is to express the hope that the East Timor eases resolve their own differences through their own democratic processes. Australia cannot maintain forces in East Timor indefinitely.
Yeah. So that was Prime Minister John Howard. I think that was a little later on. He was talking somewhere around 2006 about that, but with reference to obviously what was happening and and our exit from East Timor on the 13th of June.
So like you said, it started in 99, so in September 1999, that's when they first land over there led by Major General Peter Cosgrove. Timor is burning quite literally, but the presence of foreign troops quickly starts to restore some order. In 2000's the UN takes over where and Australian troops transition to more of a support role still heavily involved in security and training, though in 2002 E Timor officially becomes independent. And our troops helped secure the country's first presidential election. And then from 2004 to 2005, so till around now things are stabilising. Australia is starting to to down forces under Operation Spire and preparing to hand back full responsibility to local and UN authorities.
Yeah, that's not before over 17,000. Australians had served during that period. Yeah, it it is a lot. That's that's medics. Engineers sold.
That's the load, isn't it?
Logistics people and they really they did like it wasn't just security like they were very involved in community building. And I'm talking like actual building, like building roads, rebuilding schools and also building trust with the locals at East Timor.
Hmm.
It was a very and and this is it. I don't think it was all sunshine and lollipops as well. You can dig a little bit. Further, and do some research about some of the investigations that happened. I think four corners were involved in it, with some of the conduct of some of the the troops over there that put a bit of a shadow on. It but this. Was largely a very successful military operation.
Hmm, yeah. And then a very quiet. Exit as well.
Yeah.
Ohh over to sport now and Mike Tyson I and Mike Tyson announces his retirement from professional boxing after he loses to Kevin McBride in Washington, DC.
Mike, first, let's start with you. Did you want to?
Continue to continue, but I thought I was getting beat. Like. And I realised I don't think I have it anymore because I'm I got the ability to stay in shape, but I don't got the fighting guts. I don't think anymore.
When did you recognise that and what part of?
The fight I don't know, early into the fight. I'm just sorry I let everybody down. I mean, I just don't have this in. My heart anymore.
Did you feel as though you had it coming? Into the fight.
No, I'm. I'm just fighting to take care of my my bills, basically. I don't have the stomach for this kind of no more I got. I'm more I'm more unconscious with my children than those guys looking at my parents. I'm just I don't have. I don't have that ferocity. I'm not an animal anymore.
Does that mean we won't see you fight again?
Yeah, that's most likely. I'm not going to fight again. I'm not going to. I'm not going to disrespect the sport anymore by losing to this calibre of.
Fighter Mike, a lot of people wonder what what you'll do now with your life. Boxing has been your whole life.
Well, I'm sure I'll find something to do. Boxing doesn't define me. I'm just started to complete. The people in. This city, I know I didn't have it in my stomach no more, but I wasn't dying. Needs. To take care of my life. I you know, I'm just being on. I'm not taking nothing. Away.
From Kevin, I don't love this no more says I'm not taking nothing away from Kevin, but he also said something about it. If I can't beat fighters of this calibre that it's, you know. He's disrespecting the sport.
Imagine being the journalist that's asking him questions because I don't think anyone was prepared for him to be retiring at this point, and you're just going over for the post match. How you feeling, mate? You bit flopped and then he's gone. Oh, I'm not gonna do it anymore. Imagine the pressure being that poor journey going. Ohh, crap. This is his retirement speech.
He's. Like now I've done. I do.
Well.
He he is wildly unpredictable, always has fame.
He is. He's a bit of a loose unit. This is. This is the 11th of June, by the way.
Yes.
And so he's 38 years old at this stage, fighting Irish journeyman Kevin McBride and.
Yeah. And by journey, man, I mean, he's a guy that's been around a lot. He's had probably as many losses as he has had wins. You know, he's not like, you know, a great fighter, but he's not a terrible fighter. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
Yes.
It's not the worst.
It's not coming last exactly and and Mike struggled to maintain his his early aggression and I think. He he led. Sort of early on, but weighing does the fight. Progressed. Then, in the sixth round he was penalised 2 points for an intentional headbutt that caused a cut above McBride's eye, so he was still a little still a little bit loose there. Very yes. Technical knockout loss. And then yeah, sitting on the stool gets interviewed and is like OK, see ya. Peace.
Yes, it's well, it's just frustrated, I think frustrated, yeah. Yeah, I just, I just don't think he came out for the seventh round. I just that's that was the thing. He just sat on his. He's still on the bell. Went and he just sat it out. He just never came back into the flight. So they gave it a TKO. It was a loss. Hmm. Yeah, he was done.
Yes.
Hmm.
Hmm.
He just said he didn't have the guts for it. That was it. But I mean, what a career like he was. You gotta remember, he was the youngest heavyweight champion in history at 20 years old. And the aggression and the size of him at that age at 20 was just a sight to behold. 91 seconds.
Picture.
Hmm. Started in 86 and then 88. Yeah.
Yeah, 9091 seconds 1988. He just wiped the floor with Michael Spinks. It was. Amazing. I think it wasn't until so from 1986 to 1990 he was pretty much undefeated.
Umm. And then he did get beaten by Buster Douglas, which kind of ended this view that he was invincible. And there's also the outside of the ring controversies that started to occur around this time as well.
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, he was. He was charged with rape in in 1991. He was convicted and sentenced to six years in prison. He ended up serving 3.
Hmm.
In 95, he comes back to boxing wins by knockout in 9597, he. That's the inviting.
That's the ER. Yes, I remember that well.
Yeah. Evander Holyfield. Bit of a brain snap there. 1999. He gets gaoled for assault after being involved in a traffic accident, 2003. He files for bankruptcy after earning over 300 million in his career and obviously why he's and look I think history.
Probably why he had come back for his thoughts. Yeah.
Has almost repeated itself again, although he's a bit more of a brand now with with Tyson like he had. Has definitely tried to reshape his career and his life.
He did have a bit of a rebrand sort of coming into the the 2000 and 10s. He obviously appeared in the hangover in 2009 and didn't take himself too seriously and I think he kind of endeared himself to people after that that appearance.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think like that you, I mean, please don't think that not taking away from the the rape allegation that looms like a black cloud over his career, but there's a lot of speculation around that as well that it was kind of. Not all that met the eye, and there there was a lot of people that came to Mike Tyson's defence at the time, like people like Ice Cube for example. You know, so, so but that but there, yeah, he comes back from all of that and then like you said, he's in the hangover in 2009. And that was hilarious. You know, the scene where he's playing the.
Hmm. Hmm.
They're drumming from Indians and that was that was weird.
Hmm.
I've made me uncomfortable seeing Mike Tyson in that movie, to be honest with.
You he didn't endear himself to you. No. So you wouldn't have gone to see his one man show on Broadway called Undisputed Truth that came out, I think a.
Not really. Or just the speed?
Year or two later.
And see. This is the thing like I that's not what I want to see Mike Tyson do. And if Mike Tyson's not gonna do what Mike Tyson does or he's famous for doing anymore, I'm very happy for him to just live a very comfortable and peaceful retirement. I'm just. I'm not gonna go and see him in a one man show. No.
In his real hands. He went into the cannabis business becoming a legal weed mogul 2020 at age 54. He returns to the ring in an exhibition match against Roy Jones junior and looked very fit. Did he win?
Yes. He did. But no, I think that was just a bit of a joke as well, though I think I can remember people being annoyed about that fight because I don't know that it was sanctioned and.
That.
They just it was an exhibition and they didn't really hit each other that hard, I don't think.
But then obviously last year.
That well, the last used 1 was just an absolute disaster. So that's the Jake Paul side.
Yes. Ohh I was hoping that he'd win. That actually. I was like, come on. Come on, Mike, please.
Well, I think everybody was. Everybody was if there was anyone that could make you, yes. If there's anyone that could make you angry enough to come back and get the guts back for fighting. Yes. But you wanna see Mike Tyson hurt and you know, again this is.
Not some sense into this upstart. I didn't see you.
Like time heals, wounds absence makes the heart grow fonder. All of these things you know, we've created this fairy tale image of Mike Tyson by 2024. And Pete, you know. Yeah. And he did. He had some great training videos and nobody knew what time those videos were filmed. Like when they were.
Hmm.
And everyone's like, he's looking so fit. Ohh. He's gonna do it. Filmed the match got postponed. A couple of months. Maybe because he had some ulcers or.
Into. Yeah, he wasn't well. He had a stomach ulcer. So, I mean, he wasn't.
Something didn't.
Yeah, yeah.
Is good shape anyway. You know what happened. Like they just kind of.
Yeah.
Of gave up on that one as well. That was the equivalent of him sitting on the stool in the sixth round as well, I think. And of course, Jake Paul won because of that. And then Tyson said that he wasn't going to retire, and then he called out Logan Paul at the end of that fight. And I'm like, what the Hell's going on here? This is ridiculous. You know what, like, it's like, stick to pigeons. Stick to pigeons.
Hmm.
Very confusing.
That's what you need to do. He's. Yes, he's very fond of pigeons. He's spoken very fondly of pigeons. He's raised pigeons ever since he was a little boy.
Pigeons. The. Like like the ones that come back to you that take notes to people.
Yep, Yep, it's a mad passion of his pigeons. Pigeons.
Wow.
Mike Tyson and his pigeons. I didn't. I didn't think you. You. I would have thought you would have known this. I could see, like some fantastic Hollywood movie happening. You know, you got animal movies like air bud or.
About his pigeons.
I don't know. Like yeah, something like that. This is the the story of one man.
Free Willy. And his pigeons.
And his pigeons and his boxing. Three. Yeah. You know, I can see it. Yeah. Maybe he learns how, like he gets the movement, the foot skills from the pigeons, and he learns how to Bob his head out of the way of the punches from the piercings. They don't want to flap your wings. You'd leave yourself wide open, but yes.
Flappy Flappy's wings a bit. 18th of June 2005, the Internet still shaking off that dial up dust that we just heard so clearly there, but we had a tiny little start up in Brooklyn.
Was it were they even called startups in 2005?
Probably not. Probably not just some. Some guys with a big dream big crafty dream. Stitching, stitching together a digital marketplace for makers, crafters and the DIY obsessed.
But that's what they were. Yeah. OK, I I start up, yeah.
Etsy. Ohh. Etsy is founded, this time 20 years ago.
Can you believe that happy birthday, Etsy?
Not think of been around for that long, so it launched by launched by Rob Kaylin, Chris McGuire and Haim Shopping. It was designed to be an online hub where artists and artisans could sell their.
MHM.
And make goods without having to beg for shelf space at local markets.
Or having to, you know, deal with marquees pitching marquees.
Yeah. Ohh God, aren't they the worst things to assemble? There's always never, never get them straight. Always lopsided. My marquees when?
Yes, and fighting for marquee placement. Some people are, like, you know, get a marquee and it's not a good marquee or then you.
I put them. There's always a dent in the post.
Well, then you start bringing your own marquee. Everyone's vying for a spot in the hall otherwise.
Isn't that a thing that dads used to always yell at you about the tent pegs don't dent the tent, peg. Don't dent the tent pegs.
Yeah, Susan, my Ben.
Yeah.
Yeah. Feel like that always happened with marquees as well.
The.
Just the cheap tent pegs. You gotta go to BCF and get the quality tent pegs. Yeah, but marquees have big deal.
Hmm, that's all the.
Same and it's not that the makers didn't want to go online, but eBay bit of a garage sale vibe just really scream handmade eBay.
Ben.
It.
But having you take. All your wares to the markets all the time is a bit of a hassle as well. You can load up the car with all the stock.
Ohh, and then Randos trying to get a discount, kids knocking it over, being careless.
Yeah, it seems chances are they could get damaged or stolen, right? So this is this is a great idea.
Touching things with their dirty hands.
Exactly don't need to worry about any of that.
No. Etsy. Etsy. The first items for sale on Etsy, knitted scarves, indie jewellery, lots of things made from reclaimed wood. Still, lots of things made from reclaimed.
Dream catchers.
Wood. Dream catchers for sure. Crystals.
Lots of dream patches. Macrame. Yeah, I could see it. Crystals. Yes.
Stalls. Yes, dolphins. There'd be a lot of dolphin paraphernalia, I'm thinking.
Uh-huh. Lots of crocheted stuff too.
I reckon, yeah. And Mccraw mate, that's where I got our Mccraw mate from. That was from Etsy. Yeah, I love.
Crochet you did see. There you go.
By 2007, it had over 450,000 users.
Yeah.
Well, that's a lot of macrame.
And by 2012, handling over $895 million in annual sales.
That's a big market. That's a big craft market.
I bought so much baby stuff off Etsy when our son, when I was pregnant with our son and just after he was born, it's the perfect place for baby stuff.
Did you?
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Do you do? You use like those crafty kind of markets to buy gifts for people. Are you like one of those people that just gets gifts from markets for people?
No, unless there's something that you wanna get someone and you know that there is a maker at the market that sells that exact thing. Yeah. Markets to me are just sort of browser. You just sort of walk through. And if I buy something, it's usually just something for. Me. Like I like that bit of jewellery.
It's A and it's an impulse. An impulse, yeah.
Ohh, that soap smells nice. I'll buy that.
Yeah, I'll impulsively get that. And you feel like you're doing a bit of a good.
Yeah.
Because he's supporting a local that's doing their thing. But if you take that online, if you take that experience online, you kind of remove the intimacy from that. It's not. It's no longer local anymore. You're in a global village.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Hmm.
There's more choice. There's more choice though, because then you have an idea of what you want, and you can probably find it.
You've travelled down the information Superhighway Hwy you've taken a turn on the exit ramp towards a global village of art and craft people, an entire village of them globally.
Signal hallway.
Crafters, crafters. Tea cosies upcycled wedding dresses, enamel pins, lots of enamel.
Ohh yes.
Yes.
Winds, wall hangings, so the vibe craft fair meets start up with a touch of Instagram aesthetic. Before Instagram was even really Instagram. Etsy goes public. In 2015, people were worried about that. They thought it's going to lose its indie soul. It's going to lose the the creativity, darling.
Oh yeah.
Hmm.
I'd hate to tell you, but as soon as something's on the Internet, doesn't have a soul anymore, I don't think.
But it did double down and it actually made things better for the small businesses. There was, there's a lot of support for the people that have their their shops on.
Yeah, yeah. We're gonna have to take our soap making operation.
It and lots of good support.
Nobel at this stage.
Yes, international. There's a mobile app, better tools for sellers while keeping the same kind of vibes. Although there has been controversy over the years of what is actually handmade versus not. But today it's the go to for everything from custom gifts to vintage fashion home day. Core cottage core to the Max.
I think our friend Karen should take her brownies over to. Etsy. I don't think you can.
You sell food I dotsy I.
Sure. Yeah, surely you could figure out a way to mail those brownies? Cause she does the brownies at the markets and they are the best brownies I've ever.
Don't think you could. Sell food? I don't think so. No, no. They're the. But see, I go to the markets just to get the brownies.
Ever had in my life? Yeah. And then and then her husband, Wayne's involved as well. Shout out to Wayne, who does the soaps on the side of the bed. It's good soap too.
They're so ohh. They're. Yeah.
Yeah.
Quality. So and I I do go to the markets when I know that Karen's there because I want to get some.
Of those brownies? Yes. See again. Just buying things for yourself. It's not like going.
Yeah.
Hmm. Ohh buy them for other people. If I get the chance. But I don't really wanna share. Not those brownies. I don't wanna share. I've got some. The other night she gave.
There to buy some stuff.
Let them you eat them, given them to anyone, no.
Me some brownies.
Yeah. And you said that that were just yours and you didn't share them, you didn't share them at all.
I didn't? No. And she's going to hear this now. She's gonna get angry at me.
Did she give them to you? For us, I knew you were lying.
She might have.
You're a prick.
Some interesting listings over the years, though, that there's amongst the the dream catchers and the macrame and the upcycled wedding dresses.
Yeah.
There's a few interesting things taxidermy rat phone case.
I love that I'm down for that.
Was a taxidermied rat that was kind of sort of opened up to to go on your phone.
Be a. Call. Yes. Yeah.
Taxidermy is quite big there. Was also a taxidermy mouse dressed as the Pope. Alright. It's good. It's very realistic. The the Pope outfit. Very true. Very, very. Pope. Pope. Pope, esque.
Pope. Pope Pope Mickey yeah. Yes, PayPal I think is the word you're people PayPal. We're very PayPal. Hmm.
People are paid. Yes, it was. It was very yes. A near nude painted Shrek. Kind of renaissance style, you know, lounging back with nothing on this little towel draped over his.
Ohh gosh.
Modesty. Puppy poop. Toothpaste dispenser.
That's a bit weird. Ohh so I've seen a combination of that and the the new Shrek cause it's just Shrek Poop toothpaste dispenser.
Ohh same thing.
3D printing and the miracle of 3D printing means that you can get all of those sort of things on Etsy now.
Like the glow in the dark Terminator Buddha.
Because nothing says, I mean just hedging your bets there, aren't you?
Just. Well, yes. Praying to the robot gods in the dark.
It's a bit of an each way bench. Yes, yes.
There's a range of real human teeth. Lots of teeth, lots of teeth, just teeth, teeth and teeth that are made into things. Have you seen the the teddy bears with the human teeth?
Really. So people are selling? On it, see. I love those the teddy bears with the human teeth. Shirt into them. They're wonderful. Yeah.
Jewellery there was a ring. There was a ring that had three teeth, so it was a long ring and then it had three teeth and the three teeth had braces.
Yeah.
Ohh that is gross.
There's like a ring 3 teeth joined by the braces.
What it feel?
Like cooking, you accidentally left on. Yeah. You got something stuck in your. It really grows. It's very strange. Do you know that I could not believe this uranium?
OK, so maybe you can sell brownies.
So you trying to sell you right on the on on Etsy, I look, I don't know how long that listing was up for, I don't know if it was the Libyans and I think Doctor Emmett Brown, I know that was plutonium. He needed plutonium not.
Ohh that one might have got taken down.
Uranium.
And Nicolas Cage everything. Etsy loves Nicolas Cage. There was the Pickles, cage fridge magnet. So he had a his face in a.
Ah yeah.
Pickle fridge magnet.
Yes.
Nicolas Cage wooden spoons.
Yeah, I always get. I always get pushed ads for the Nicolas Cage throw pillow.
The throw pillow. I got, the blankets, the blanket was good.
I couldn't believe it. I was like, what is this? And it's like, Etsy thought that I'd like it. So I'd send it to.
Did you like?
It it's pretty cool. I wasn't gonna buy it. I I find that quite confronting. If you just walked into a dark room and turn the light on, there's Nicolas Cage.
Bet you liked it. 'S face on it. He's in it. Yeah, but it's also square shapes. It's kind of on shape. There's Nicolas Cage, planter head. So you can put a plant. So it's like his hair growing out of the top.
Live.
Oh my God. Fish say.
Lobster cage.
What's that? Ohh. OK. Right. I thought it was like for.
Lobster, the Nicolas Cage head. Catching them or something. No, no, no, no. Anna nikopolis.
Fidget toy topless.
Nick toppless. Nick. Oh, sorry. A Nick Topus a Nick topus. Not a nickolaus. A Nick topus. It's an octopus with a a Nicolas Cage head.
Ohh Nick Topus, what's the nick? Ohh, I don't even wanna know. That's ridiculous. Yeah.
And the legs are like little fidgets. You.
Right.
Know like, fidget spinner kind of thing, yeah.
Gotcha.
There's a whole.
Range. Yes. Well, very humble beginnings to look at. Look at them now. Yeah. Billions of dollars. All from the handmade and and with Nicolas Cage on the side.
Music This week, 20 years ago, number one on the Australian charts was this one.
If I take you home.
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Ohh sorry my bad. Yeah, doesn't matter exactly.
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Southern style get.
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To take a little bit. Just a little bit. We can head to the crib in a little bit. I can show you how I live in a little bit.
There ain't no Halo effect.
What?
Who's gonna take your place? There ain't nobody.
Ohh, got about 12 more weeks of Mariah Carey blogging together at the top of the charts. Yeah.
12 more. Probably 11. Maybe that's that third one, that number one feel like.
Ohh really? You reckon it's 11 alright? Something like that? Well, she reigned supreme for a significant amount of time.
Hmm.
Number one, Mariah #2, Gwen Stefani Hollaback girl, 50 Cent number three. Just a little bit.
Do it.
I think he's.
Going to talk to Trump about something you saw him say. He's gonna talk to Trump about something.
Is he? 50 he's going to talk to Trump.
I can't remember what it was about. I don't know. He's gonna get in touch. He said something on his Instagram.
Anyway, ohh I'd be like it. It's a shame that you didn't die trying while you were getting rich.
No, I don't know. No, I don't know. Sticking his nose into something I can't remember. It was fair enough. It was interesting. CEO.
Ohh.
At #4? Yes, and don't remember my heart. #5 don't funk.
Time. What?
With my heart.
Ohh sorry. As in as in yeah funk music.
That's the same. I think that's the same, isn't it? Well, maybe. Yeah. A couple that moved.
It's pretty similar. It's not too different. There's a couple of things that have moved around and it's there's nothing much happening on the charts for for a little while, but there are things happening. There is things there are things.
Around on the switch.
We had some album releases.
Yes, I can't speak.
It is what you're trying to say.
So you carry on.
OK, let's start with Foo Fighters. Willy.
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Glitch, yes.
So I did a little bit. What are we doing? Albums. Yes.
Foo Fighters release their album in Your Honour. It's a double album featuring both electric and acoustic tracks. The 5th studio album. For the group and. Probably 1 of their most ambitious.
It was a very hot felt album. It was very like it was very rocky and stuff, but I think it was a kind of a Dave Grohl said that it was a bit of a thank you note to life after Nirvana, really and surviving all of that. So it wasn't really just like another record for them. It was quite an event. You had one disc.
Hmm.
Of all the rock stuff and then the softer acoustic folky almost stuff and they recorded it. At their new studio, 606 W, which he he said was his own version of Abbey Road. And how about this John Paul Jones from Led Zeppelin plays piano on it. Did you know that? No. On his acoustic track miracle? Yes. So that was very exciting for Dave Grohl. Norah Jones was on there on a track called Virginia Moon and.
Wow, that's pretty big. Hmm.
Yeah, he initially wrote it as as something that was gonna be a single one, but they just had so much stuff alongside all the heavy ones. He decided to kind. Of split it up, which I thought was cool.
It's like what Nelly did with sweat and suit.
Yes, exactly. But it's it's, yeah, it is. It is kind of the same. It's just, I don't know, maybe I I well, yeah. And they just they still did it as one album they didn't give it two titles. What's the title called again in Your Honour? Yeah, not not really. Sweat and suits. It's a little bit more, you know.
The same. Not nearly. Honour yes. Well, I think Dave referred to the album where it was like having a long dinner party where 1/2 of the guests are drunk punks and the other half are sipping tea.
Ohh right. Well.
Hmm.
Obviously the drunk punks of the rock song. Well, it had some big songs. I mean none, I don't think have been bigger than this for the Foo Fighters.
That's a good song.
There. Right. They.
So.
They write very good songs, very good pop rock anthems. I think they're very capable if you move over to pop though.
No, we had a big comeback, a big return return of the Max.
I didn't. Alright. I didn't even realise they'd gone away.
Backstreets back Alright, 5th studio album never gone well, no, it was a five year hiatus.
Yes. Five years is a long time for a pop band not to put anything out.
So.
And when you're looking at, there was a lot that had split up in that time, so *NSYNC obvious.
Yeah.
Lee. Yeah. Well, that was news to the rest of the band. As you know, it's just Justin leaving. But Ensink had disappeared. Five. Yeah, it's split up at that stage as well.
Yeah.
Hmm.
There I mean 5 would be a second tier kind of boy band, though they wouldn't be up there if I'm just thinking if there's a pecking order like and there would be a pecking order like these guys would be the Backstreet Boys would have to be right up the top of.
How dare you. How very dare you excuse me?
Wow. Wow. That pecking order, they were probably one of the biggest, yes, 98°. I think it's split by then, Nicola Shay.
Will they be in the pecking order? They'd be under 5. They'd be like 1/3 tier, yeah, 98°.
Stay out of it, you.
Close it that below size way below yes.
I think they had one. Song, did they Westlife West? Life they'd split up, hadn't they?
Maybe second tier, wouldn't they, you know?
And was that the one with Brian with an I? And why? Yeah, they'd split up.
Yeah. Hmm.
We're all splitting up, but Backstreet Boys didn't. They came back.
They stuck around.
Never gone.
Never gone, just disappeared for five years but never gone really well. You were gone for five years, so don't.
Ah. All 5. OG members.
Hmm, you can't. Backstreet can't come back if it's not gone, they have to be gone in order to bring Back Street back, alright.
We're back.
Alright. Alright, there's a bit of a rebrand. They've moved on from the the white shirts and bubble gum beets and the, you know, the windswept hair and more mature adult contemporary. They had some guitar, some some mid tempo ballads, bit of a soft rock.
Gladly, grace. Blow up very soft. I was like you. Close your eyes. This could be Brian Adams.
For this.
Incomplete. They just gotta wrap it up with that big piano there. That is humongous big arena. It's it's arena rock. That is, it's barely, but it's still going on the piano. Oh my God. And then?
Oh oh, that power.
Yes. Yeah, that.
Was.
That's.
Enough. It's nice.
Piano, yeah.
Thank you. That's that's for you boys are incomplete.
Very much lead single. Yes, Moody power ballad cracked the Billboard top 20. Spoiler alert. I think we'll be talking about it next week. In the tops. It was produced the album by Max Martin, who was the guy behind baby one more time and Dan Muckler.
Yeah.
I have no idea who.
Yeah, it's an unfortunate surname. Michaela. Yeah, it almost sounds like a Greek swear word.
Dan, my father is. Yeah, it is, isn't it?
You're muckler.
Never go on the title of the album was actually a tribute to Kevin's late father, which added a bit of an emotional layer to the project's mixed reviews, but still went platinum. Sold over 3,000,000 copies worldwide, which wasn't too bad because everyone thought they'd split up. So that's all right.
Hmm. Right. Yeah, they'd ridden them off as some dinosaurs from the 90s.
I think it was a bit mixed because. You know, people did like the back streets back, alright? Larger than life. You know, that kind of Dancy boy band pop that they were known for. And yeah, there wasn't.
Ah yeah, that era. And now they're that's that incomplete, very rocky, very rocky, very like, Aerosmith. When they went through the power ballad kind of years. Yeah.
Yes. Yeah. And I don't think it had. I don't recall. I didn't have this album, but I I don't recall it having any of those big. Dance to nightclub kind of tunes on it, which I think left a lot of lot of fans a bit upset because we did like that.
No. No, that and like that. That particular song. I mean, I haven't seen the video, but it lends itself to, like helicopters standing on mountain tops, circling around them. This is before drones, you know, so it would have been quite expensive and very life endangering for the Backstreet Boys to be circled around by low flying.
Yeah.
Cocktails.
Lots of lots. Of power fists like reaching out and pulling them.
Yeah, yeah. Reaching to the sky and pulling things back in. And then yes, releasing back into.
For a. While.
Maybe some doves, maybe some doves, I don't know.
Maybe some valves? Yeah, they're definitely crying this week out, though.
And we had some big. News. We had some big news.
Again, because and the doves are just distraught over this as well. Umm, Destiny's Child gone. They're disbanding, they've disbanded upon completion of their world tour according to them. And they held a little thing and told everyone all about it on MTV or so.
It's we don't like the word breakup. It sounds really sad.
Sorry. I'm going to do.
We we we like to.
Say that it's the end of of a chapter in our lives and. It's been 14 years and everything cannot last forever. Destiny fulfilled is the title of the album is not a coincidence. This is something that we thought about and it was really important for us to end this chapter when we were successful. Still, and not because one person wants to go solo or not, because we don't like each other, or because we're not selling records anymore, but because. Because. It has to end at at a certain point and we all have different personal things we want to do and things with our careers that we want to do. But it's really important that we maintain our friendship and we still support each other, and that's something that's going to happen because this is real and we really are truly friends. Friends is beyond the music.
For God's sakes.
I don't hear a lot of. The other two talking though.
I was gonna say that was Beyoncé doing all the talking. All the talking setting the record straight.
Ohh, so intentional still friends, not because we wanna go solo.
Writing her own history there, yeah. Not because we hate each other, except during that I think it was Michelle Williams you could hear in the background. She didn't. Actually, she didn't say. Not because I think there's there's there's code in the subtext. She said we hate each other.
9. Get your eyes rolling.
So what you could do is is you could go back and watch that interview in full and just write down the bits that Michelle says, and you'll probably be able to decode the actual reason why they're splitting up. And I think it all goes down to that one line where it's we hate each other.
Devoted.
It's just a conspiracy theory. It might not be true, but I I you heard it here first. Either way, yeah.
I think they did hate each other, but they're like, you know, let's not. Let's not let everyone know. So we'll all release a solo album. So it looks like we're still friends and we're supporting each other. We'll do one more tour and lots of money, and we'll pretend that we like each other, and then we'll split up, we'll call it Destinies fulfilled. And we'll say that this was intentional, this.
Yeah.
Is what we were going to do for that.
Kind of money I could pretend to like so many people. You know? So many people. Cool.
I think Beyoncé was, you know, she's gone solo with the the album dangerously in love. It went gangbusters in 2004.
Yeah.
For the other people are holding her back at this stage, aren't they? She wants to be foxy Cleopatra. She wants to do whatever she wants to do. What's that? Yeah. And then and then and look at it 20 years later. It culminates in a country and Western album.
I think it was a Beyoncé decision. I think there was a beyonc� decision, hmm. All this solo stuff. Hmm, didn't see that coming. So yeah, obviously they started in the late 90s. There had been a lot of lineup changes. There was originally four of them. That was it, Latavia and Latoya was Latoya and Latavia. Then there was somebody else and then it became.
Yes. I don't know, but they've all dished to various stages.
Beyoncé Kelly and Michelle. And and they're the ones that we all remember. They sold over 60 million records, won lots of Grammys and basically set the standard for modern girl groups.
Roy.
Yeah, said there was no drama, no tears, just love.
Yeah, until you, until you decode it until you get, like all Dan Brown. Robert Langdon, Da Vinci Code and use Michelle Williams as the codex to decipher what actually happened.
What is the beyoncďż˝?
Who knows what actually happened? All of these things are coming out like 20 years later. Maybe we'll find some wild and crazy conspiracy theory as to why. Anyway, I don't know. We might not either. We we're going to the movies anyway, we're gonna escape from that.
Ohh well, it was a movie that had a wild conspiracy theory that turned out to be true. That's one very controversy.
Right.
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I love my.
Wife.
There's this huge space between us and it just keeps filling up with everything that we don't say. To each other.
What do you think she learned to shoot like that?
Looks like it's government or something.
You've just been identified by a competing agent.
How are you going to handle it?
Minneapolis. Yeah.
Sweetheart love.
It gets lethal. If an unusual problem, Jane, you obviously won't be dead and I'm less and less concerned for your well being. So what do we do?
Ohh God, what do we do? We all go and watch Brad and Angelina and Missus and missus, missus and missus. Now, that's a different kind of movie that I'd probably get down to. Of course not.
Mr and Mrs Smith.
Yes, number one in the US box office.
The.
This time 20 years ago, and of course, that was the foundation for the conspiracy theories as to the romance blossoming between Brad and Angelina, was it not?
It's an outwardly dull suburban couple who discover they're both secret assassins hired to kill each other.
Yes. Who? I mean, it was only a matter of time, you know.
Crazy. Can you believe it?
What do you mean you're a spy? I'm a spy. Ohh. And now we've gotta kill each other. Who would have thought? Who comes up with it? It. Honestly. Yeah. So I'm a sexual tension. You can cut it with a.
Splicing stunts. Witty 1 liners. Sexual tension.
I don't want to cut anything sexually tense.
I do. I do wonder if yes, if if the the theories around. Brad and Angelina, if that didn't happen, would it have become #1 cause there? Was a lot. Of hype, because obviously Brad's splits with Jan, there was all the rumours. It was all over, you know, came out tonight and.
There was. And just the best, I mean the premise is ridiculous and it, but it was like it's built as an action comedy. So we we can get that. But The thing is, is Brad's still married to Jennifer Aniston. When the film is being made, but when the filming began, I should say.
Yes, I think they split.
But by the time it had finished, there was all this chemistry and rumours between Brad and Angelina. Yes, yes.
Yes, I think that's. Yeah, late night reshoots. Private conversations. Onset sparks. Ohh yeah yeah, they obviously denied an any affair during filming, but their friendship soon turned official pretty soon after he'd split from Jen. Within a year. They were a couple.
And that there, there we go, brangelina. The rest is history. Yeah.
Was born. OK, this one earned over $478 million globally proving that we did like a little scandal from our movies.
Hmm.
It didn't. Even it didn't even review that well, and it was just pretty movie, to be honest with you, that's garbage. It's terrible. I hated it. No, I couldn't stand it. It just it just I I was like, this is stupid. This is just I like. I don't mind it if it's stupid and it's but these this is like these two.
I haven't seen it. You didn't enjoy it.
Massive actors. It the whole thing was just built on hype. I wouldn't even be surprised if it was like the affair that they had was part of the hype for the I don't know, just it was stupid. The whole thing is stupid and what have we got at the end of some lady by the name of poor Jen on the outer? Once again, I don't think she cared.
Hmm.
I don't think she did.
She's laughing all the way.
But the stupid movie was also. #1 here in Australia this week, 20 years ago.
OK.
Great. Excellent. Do you know what else happened? Just a very quick one in movie news, cause I don't really have any grabs or any sort of produced pics that Leonardo DiCaprio. On the 17th of June in 2005, I'm not sure if you'd remember this or not, but he he got hit in the head with a beer bottle. He had a beer bottle chucked in his head. Well, it was at a party that was hosted. See, everyone thinks Leo Dicaprio's great guy and all that sort of stuff. He hangs around with some pretty people. He said a party hosted by Rick Solomon.
Ohh, the Rick Solomon from the Paris tape later married to Shenandoah. Woody the yeah.
Was there Rick Sullivan? The guy that. Yeah. The girls gone. Mild dude, that guy. Poor old Leo, 17 stitches.
Yeah. Well, that's what you get for going to a Rick Solomon party, but no one to blame but yourself 17.
17 stitches to his face and neck. Yeah, he he mangled the DiCaprio.
That's pretty bad when you're an actor that's known for your hunky good hunky good looks.
Yeah, it's not good to his face to his face and his neck after a woman who'd been asked to leave the party through the bottle at him. Yes, the lady's name was Aretha Wilson. She was a former Canadian model.
Thing still on your.
Johnny.
Wow.
Who would I think she's still Canadian, so.
You're. Such no Canadian anymore.
It's it's not a Canadian model anymore. Yes, they've been asked to leave the party multiple times and she thought that DiCaprio might have been a former boyfriend, and so he he glassed him. She basically glassed him. Yeah. And then she and she then she fled. She fled to Canada. She actually just she got across the border. She's back in Canada. And that took five years to catch her.
Are you? We're sharitha.
Ohh my God.
Ohh, so she's not former. She's currently Canadian.
Five years. And then she got extradited to the US in 2010, where she was brought to justice to atone for her sins, for messing up the merchandise on Old Leo Dicaprio's mug.
Oh, thank goodness. I wonder if he's got scars.
Well, maybe, but she only did like 6 months. She did six months 6. She was sentenced to two years in prison, but due to time already served in good behaviour. She she did six months and then got to port it.
Hmm.
Back to Canada anyway.
An honest mistake.
Yes. Well, and it didn't. It didn't hamper his career, which is.
Good. Yes, thank goodness.
We have new number one on the New York Times bestseller this this time 20 years ago, but we're going to the non fiction section of the library non fiction which means true story.
Oh. Oh, really. True. So is it? Is it a stock like, is it a cookbook? It's historical. Is it historical?
It's not a textbook, but it's pretty close 1776, which is it's about the Declaration of Independence, I believe.
Ohh OK, so we need something like.
Kind of something like 4th of July.
Live.
That does feel like you're declaring something very good.
Yes, his masterful book, David McCullough tells the intensely human story of those who marched with General George Washington in the year of the Declaration of Independence, when the whole American cause. Was riding on their success. Without which all hoped for independence would have been dashed, and the noble ideals of the declaration would have amounted to little more than words on paper. I was nearly dashed then, but I recovered.
Take a breath. We've got a full stop.
Based on extensive research in both American and British Archives, 1776 is a powerful drama written with the extraordinary narrative vitality. I screwed that one up a bit, but that's OK. It is the story of Americans in the ranks men of every shape. Size and colour farmers school teachers, shoemakers, no accounts, and mere boys turned to soldiers. And it is the story of the King's men. The British commander, William Howe, and his highly disciplined red coats, who looked on their rebel foes with contempt and fought with a valour too little known. I can feel that in my cockles, stirring.
Wow. Yeah. Welcome. OK. Give myself about a three out of five.
Thank you. There's a motional. The one star.
Ohh Nikki only gave it one star though. Why?
This is the third most. Boring book I've ever read. Wow. The third I wanna know what 1 and.
Wow, what? I wanted to meet someone. She needs to put out a listicle. Mickey. One stars, top ten boring books that she's ever read. At least we know what the third one is.
Two were third. No, she didn't. Disclose the third, yeah.
Jerome Itid, Jerome Itid, Jerome metered.
I wonder if his. Name's Jerome. And he's just putting meat on there because. It's like his.
Trying to measure something? Well, he's measuring one star for this book. He says not nearly enough pictures to hold my interest.
Measuring measuring these interesting. Books. Well, it was 1776. I don't think there was cameras then, wasn't it? No, I don't know. Maybe an artist's impression or two, but it's probably hard to find them. Yeah, maybe. I don't know.
I don't think so. Maybe box brown. I don't even think the box brownie had. Been vented then? No, like a courtroom reporter style thing. Yeah, maybe something to that.
Get over yourself to your own meeting.
Exactly. Take it easy mate.
None ever.
No, never.
One star. Not ever, not. Not ever. None. Ever.
I think it's no, never, no, never. Yeah. Yeah. No, never.
No, never. Ohh 2 words. No. Never. I thought it was. No, never.
Well, it's one word mashed together, but you said none ever. Which is 2 words too. But I'm saying no. Never.
No, never.
No.
One star my friend described it like eating a brick.
MHM.
There's definitely no, never. Definitely Christian. Two stars. The colonial army was so ratchet. I don't know what that means.
Ohh Ratchet, isn't it like ghetto?
So ratchet. Those colonials were so ratchet.
Isn't that in like a? You know the the person. That sings WAP. Yeah. Whop WAP. The stallion. Doesn't she have a song? Wears something bougie and raptured or something. I think it's like that ******.
Megan thee. I guess. Yeah, OK, well, that's what the colonial army were. Yeah. Grab a bucket and a mop because that colonial army was so ratchet.
Maybe. Ratchet exactly what I thought so. John Bocchetta one star. I would Wikipedia the Revolutionary War if that is your thing. You can get the highlights without losing consciousness 9 * 9 times.
Like braiding, it yes.
Robert Pawlowski, 2, stars. I recommend this book for anyone who would find a dictionary. Entertaining. This is Robert Pelowski 2 stars signing off.
How many times did you lose consciousness? Robert Pulaski?
I didn't. I was entertained by the dictionary, so I really liked this book. But I'm only giving it two stars because the dictionary was more entertaining.
Jason two stars. It was like waiting for your grape nuts to soften up in the milk. It's a grape nut.
And how does it soften in? Milk. Is it cereal? I don't know. I'm Googling that and trying it straight after this. I recommend this podcast for anyone who would find a. Weather reported training.
While you're waiting for your grape nuts to soften up in the middle. Yeah. Listen, listen to this while you're grape nuts are softening.
That's right, you soften your hey. Yeah, soften your great nuts up to this. Corona hatches the hatches, matches and dispatches. We gotta. This will soften your grape nuts or somebody's great. Now we got a match. We got a wedding.
Ah, so soft track. Ohh we do.
We got a wedding, a celebrity who was getting married this time 20 years ago that said this.
Is Paula on drugs or crazy or whatever? And I and she's just always been beautiful and and sweet.
There's Paula on Joseph. Crazy. That sounds like somebody from American Idol. If you said Boo, vice.
Ah, so wasn't talking about his lovely bride to be being crazy and on.
You would be correct. No, sorry about Paula Abdul on the panel. Yeah, it gave you a bit of a bum steer there. Yes, Bo Bice married his wife, Caroline Fisher in Helena, AL.
Drugs. Ohh that makes.
Sense.
You did. You did. He was the runner up. We heard about him a few weeks ago when Carrie Underwood, she won, he came second. On season 4, he married Caroline on the 15th of June. They met before he was famous, so she didn't just latch on to him after he was on idol, they.
Yes.
Yes, it's very living on a prayer. This kind of story.
He was working as a guitar store clerk and she was a a waitress in a a ragtime cafe in Hoover, AL.
Yes.
Emma small intimate ceremony was the wedding close friends and family only.
Yes. Yeah, and it that, that was, this was at a time where things were going off for Bo. He just finished American idols, though, and he's getting married like a few weeks later. Yeah.
Got a record deal? Had his debut. Single. Even when you come second, you still get a number one single basically, don't you?
Yeah, yeah. And look, I I think they're still going strong. They've had they've since had four kids.
Hmm.
Caleb. Aiden. Michael. Ah, whatever. You don't need to name his kids. That's just creepy and weird. I don't give it about his kids. Anyway, he did write a song about his wife, though. Maybe you can write a song about his kids and call it that, but this one felt like Caroline. Which is his wife.
My.
Not cheese to smile.
That's a lot of fun of that of him just playing it in some Speakeasy bar. There's like videos of him performing it live, but I don't know that it's actually been recorded and.
Released. I'm not sure that's an easy song to have from to Caroline sign time. Fine.
Yeah, yeah.
In.
Yeah, Outkast did it too, Caroline, but but, like Sweet Caroline, yeah, there, there is lots of Carolines. I I I'm not a fan. I just needed something for this part of the segment. So we've done that. We've achieved that, which means that we've achieved the show for this week, we this.
There's lots of. Songs isn't. To play something.
Oh.
Is well done. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Congratulations.
Round of applause, US. Alright, well, now let's.
Just do this one of ours as well. That's enough. Excellent.
We prepared for next week. No, we actually are. We've got plenty of stuff. What's happening next week.
We are reddits is invented. Can't believe that's 20 years old. So my gosh, there's a Grand Prix. There's a very controversial Grand Prix.
Yes. Reddit is 20. This was one of the weirdest Grand Prix races of all.
Time the NBA, the basketballs this finals time and two part versus Biggie Smalls was a development in the Park V Big E.
Ohh, a lot of sport there. Really. A development in the park Biggie cat.
Yes.
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