When Dick Cheney shot a guy and Britney became public enemy #1

Rewind to 5 Feb 2006 to 11 Feb 2006

🦆 Dick Cheney shoots a guy
The Vice President accidentally shoots a man during a quail hunt and the White House somehow lets a local newspaper break the story first. No immediate apology, maximum spin and then the plot twist: the man who got shot goes on TV to apologise to Cheney. 

🚗 Britney drives into tabloid meltdown
Photos surface of Britney Spears driving with baby Sean Preston on her lap and the media absolutely loses its mind. Cue wall-to-wall outrage, parenting hot takes and zero empathy for paparazzi panic. 

🏈 Super Bowl XL, ref edition
The Steelers beat the Seahawks but the real headline is the officiating. Seahawks fans never recover, conspiracy theories are born and the game earns its forever nickname: Ref Bowl XL. 

🕯️ Biggie lives on in the club
‘Nasty Girl’ keeps climbing, proving posthumous hits can still be engineered for the mid-2000s dance floor. Glossy, label-driven and very much a product of its time.

🎸 Johnny Cash goes prestige
Walk the Line turns music biopics into serious business and makes everyone briefly obsessed with Johnny Cash again.

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The year is 2006. We head to the hills and learn reality is scripted. Your Sony Cyber Shot uploads 462 blurry regrets. A Facebook poke makes everything complicated. And Twitter's like, cool story, you've got 140 characters. Go. T-minus 20. Rewind 20 years with Joe and Mel. 

Week of 5, February, 2006. 

T-minus 20. Being sexy back. 

I want to forgive you. 

T-minus 20. I hate this long, decent relationship. And I want to forget you. You have no style or some succession. 

This is a beauty. This is very nice. 

Yeah, boy. Welcome to T-minus 20, your weekly time machine to the mid-2000s. Not mid as in bad. Just like, you know how the kids say mid these days. Do they? Well, yes, if it's just average, it's mid. 

Oh. 

I'd like to think we're above mid. The above mid podcast that's the time machine that takes you to the mid-2000s when ringtones were personality traits, MySpace top eights ended friendships, and every celebrity mistake was front page news before social media even existed. with your host, Joe and Mel. Hello, Mel. 

Hello, everybody. Yes, we pull apart the biggest stories from the same week 20 years ago. We're going to talk news, music, movies, tech, celebrity chaos. We're going to relive that chaos, the culture, the questionable decisions of the mid-2000s. And coming up this week... 

Are we what? 

In February, Brittany was photographed driving on the Pacific Coast Highway with her baby in her lap in the front seat. It was a picture that became not only a punchline. 

But in her defense, the baby had to sit on her lap because her husband Kevin was asleep in the child seat. 

So apparently. But the source of serious debates all across the country. 

I think it's very important that Brittany get some baby safety training. There's a big grab. Brittany. needing baby safety training? 

Mum shamed over those pictures. 

Oh man. 

Still remember those? 

I mean, I've been dad shamed. I know what it's like. Look, I've never sat a child on my lap while I've been driving a car. We'll get into it later on. There's a lot to talk about there. 

That's all I expect if they watch TV in the legs. They know, they know. Quarter past four, left the club tipsy. Say no more. 

Oh, say no more. The notorious BIG, who we would thought would have said no more because he's dead, is releasing singles in 2006. 

Which hit very differently in retrospect when you go back and have a look now. 

Speaking of hit differently, I'll tell you what's not safe, going hunting with Dick Cheney. So you all set to go hunting. 

Sorry, I thought you were a deer. 

A vice president shoots someone. Doesn't even give so much as an apology. 

No, and the guy had all bullets and everything inside him. 

Oh, it was big in the news. 

I would have kept the bullets. 

I think it was more buckshot than bullets, but... 

Well, there were things lodged in him. I would have kept them as a souvenir. In that time I got shot by a vice president. 

Yeah, see this? See this little lump here in my face? Yeah. 

Care of Cheney. 

Yeah, it was nasty. And kind of, but I do remember chuckling about it back in the day. So we'll get to that a little bit later on too. 

Still chuckling. 

Yeah. 

Speaking of hoarding things and mementos, something flashed across the socials this week, which really, really excited me because it was something that I'd actually pulled out of the cupboards not even three days before this. crossed my feet. 

Oh yeah, we were doing a, we had to do a bloody tidy up because during the holidays, it's like, oh, what can we do that we don't have time to do normally? And we just decided to paint the studio. Yes. Yeah, and then with that, but when we go to paint stuff, what you do is then you find something, you find an artifact and then you sort of get waylaid and you sort of ferret around. But this time, obviously, it's yielded some interesting results. 

Yes, and the topic of the post, do you remember this? Did you get one of these? 

So Mel's holding up the bicentennial memento for school students. Yes, which we got way back. It was it 1988? Well, it was 1987 in... Did you get it at the end of 1987 or the beginning of 1988? 

No, you got it in 88. 

To celebrate 88, yes, to make it great in 88. 

It's a coin and it says education, woo, and lots of people running towards Some stars. 

It says education. 

Education. It just says education. 

But it looks like the people are going, oh, they're cheering. 

There's lots of people. They're all excited about education, but they're running off into the hills. And there's a Southern cross up in the sky. Lovely, lovely, very nice. 

What's on the back of it? 

It says during 1988 we commemorate 200 years of Australia's history in the modern world and we'll be celebrating the bicentenary in many different ways. 

That's on the back of the card that the coin came in. 

One thing we should all be doing is thinking about what it is to be an Australian. We should be learning about our past. Wow, trying to better understand the present and thinking about the part we can play in the Australia of the future. That's very good. That was signed by, I don't know, someone. 

I wanted to know what's on the back of the coin. 

On the back of the coin. 

It's not the card. 

Okay, it says Australian bicentenary 1788 to 1988. I forgot. I haven't actually opened it. I've only ever looked at the cover. 

Are you serious? I've just opened this. It's in very good, Nick. 

It is in great condition, but look what I just found. My... I put my year 6 photo in there. I had flicks in like a half month. You did. And then my friends signed it. Did your friends sign yours? 

No, nobody signed mine. 

Emma, Natalie, Veronica, Penny, Ann-Marie. Look at that. They signed my coin. 

I think mine's in mint condition. Mine doesn't even have a photo in it. Might have a look at that. 

Anyway, so I was really excited because an account called Lost Perth, which does like throwbacks, but it's a Perth-based account. I don't even know why. 

Very neat but crooked writing on the front where you put your. 

Do you like the N? That was my fancy N. Do you like my fancy end? How it kind of like hangs down underneath the rest of the letters. 

And you're attempted cursive as well. Oh yes, there's an autograph section. Yeah, you got a few there. 

Yeah, so you got your friends to sign it. That's all the friends had. 

It all looks like the same font. 

One of them I don't think was my friend actually. 

It's deceptively similar to your handwriting actually. 

No, they were legit. They were legit friends. Is it the first one? I don't think she was a close friend. She's just an acquaintance. Anyway. 

Any wonder with hair like that, of course you have. 

Fantastic. 

You look like a Lego person. 

It was Flicks. That was called Flicks in the 80s. You got the front bit cut short and you flicked. 

Look, I'm not one to comment on hairstyle anyway. 

No, you still got the same hairstyle from when you were in year 6, don't you? 

No, I didn't have long hair. No, I didn't have long hair. I had short hair. You've seen photos of me with short hair. It's not a good time. 

Anyway. 

Yes. 

Lost Perth. 

I'm all face. I'm all face anyway. 

And Lost Perth said, did you receive a memento in 1988 and have you still got it tucked away? 

Lost Perth. So they were the ones that posted on Instagram. 

They posted it and it was literally 3 days after I was looking at that one going, I can't believe I've still got it and it's still in the original package. And so they asked, have you still got it tucked away? So I was so excited. I jumped on and replied. And I don't normally get into the comments. 

That's very un-new. 

I know. I'm A lurker, but I was so excited by the fact that this popped up in my feed. So I said, sure do. Tucked away with the third place in freestyle ribbon, John Farnham, age of Reason cassette, and a tour map of the new Parliament House from an excursion. Because Parliament House opened the same year. 

That's a, that is a solid comment. That is a comment that speaks to me. It says lived experience. It says, yeah, ************ I was there. Yeah. 

And I still have it. Anyway, I have never had, and this isn't even my post, I've never had so many likes in my life. It's up to 27 now. 27 people have liked my comment. And lots of other people. Lots of other people have commented. And the closest to the number of likes that I've got is someone who got Seven, who said that I assumed it was incredibly important. Also, did anyone ever dare take it out of its wrapper? Because I, of course, didn't. And so neither did I. That person got 7. So I'm on 27. And so I'm feeling pretty good about myself. I'm like, I've entered the chat. People are liking what I'm saying. 

Welcome to social media. 

I've never been this cool. Anyway, I wake up this morning and I thought, let's see if it's jumped a bit. 

Yes. 

Someone replies to my comment. I'm like super cool, most number of likes, and then I get this reply. 

You've got a reply to your comment. What's your reply? 

Nerd, I had appetite for destruction. 

Over to Slash on the recorder there. 

Finally felt cool and then got called a nerd. 

Well, Appetite for Destruction. I do remember Appetite for Destruction coming out in 1988. 

Well, I think it was 87, but I replied to Appetite for Destruction person and I said, well, I did dance to Sweet Child O' Mine at the U6 disco. Does that count for anything? They haven't replied yet. 

I mean, I was like, Guns N' Roses is a band that I'm willing to die for. I'm going to run away from home, but I still appreciated the bicentennial coin as well. And then my parents were like, oh, that singer, he sounds like a cat. 

That is such a parent thing to say about that. 

It sounds terrible. It sounds like a cat actually. Well, he sounds even worse. 

He has strong opinions about him. 

Anyway, moving on, the Hatches, Matches and Dispatches clue. We have a celebrity segment at the, what am I? It's not a celebrity segment. It's not like, hey. 

Celebrity, it stops by to say hey. 

No, it's just like, just really leaning into the old radio days where I was just saying words and not caring. And that's exactly what happened then. And I bought myself unstuck. We have a segment at the end of the show, just in case you've never joined us before, which I'm sure you have. And they're like, oh, here he goes again with the spiel for that. And he's done it really badly this week. But we're going to play you a little audio clue now, and you can guess who it is. And in this case, this week, it was someone who was married, hatches, matches, dispatches, births, deaths, marriages. Somebody that was married this time 20 years ago that said this? 

I'm Jacqueline. 

I'm Scott. Welcome to our home. 

Look at that. There's a hint for you. I even gave you the first names. One more time. I'm Jacqueline. 

I'm Scott. Welcome to our home. 

Jacqueline and Scott. Who? We'll find out at the end. 

February in the news back in 2006. I love this story. This story's great. Dick Cheney accidentally shoots a mate out on a whale hunt. 

Not, well, mate loosely. I think Dick Cheney didn't have any autographs in his bicentennial memento at the school students. Not sure he's the kind, he's not a friend guy. And this is probably why. This is why Dick Cheney can't have nice things or friends for that matter. 

Because he shoots them. Harry Whittington was said friend or acquaintance who got shot. They were hunting quail at a ranch in South Texas. Another hunter allegedly flushed the birds into Cheney's line of fire. He fired his shotgun and shot Whittingham in the face, shot him in the chest, shot him in the neck. 

Well, because it's a shotgun. 

Bird shot pellets. 

It's multiple shots. I'm just wondering how many rounds he actually Sounds like a lot. I think with a shotgun, maybe 2, and then he's got to reload. So I'm assuming maybe he got me at least one away. Okay. Because if he, and he might have been like a distance away flushing the quail. Generally with quail hunting in Australia, they use dogs. They use dogs to flush quail. In Italy, I think like France, where the Brittany dog is from, they are very much used to hunt quail. We know because we have a quail hunting dog. And it was funny because- Loves bird. Well, yes, loves birds, obsessed with birds. Never actually had seen a quail until very recently, when we were out on a bushwalk and we saw some quail in the wild, and she absolutely sh*t herself. Like, not even... 

Not even. 

I'm terrified. It was like, actually, she didn't sh*t herself all. 

I'm going to go all Dick Cheney on this. 

She just, the instincts kicked in and she, I'll flush them for you. shoot them. I'm like, I don't have a gun. She's like, don't worry about it. But Dick Cheney had a gun and probably shouldn't have. And he was using a human to flush the quail and he misfired. and then shot the human in the face. Didn't get any quail. 

Harry, he was rushed to hospital. 

Harry Whittingham. 

Initially reported as stable, technically a hunting accident, but absolute chaos politically. 

Oh, it was so weird. And this was, it was such a weird story because It wasn't announced straight away, first of all. And then the story broke via the local newspaper of the town, the nearest town that they were hunting in. And it didn't come through the White House press channels, the normal channels. I mean, this is the vice president of the United States of America, and he's just shot another man in the face. 

Normally when they shoot someone, it comes from the White House, not the local rag, not the Corpus Christi Caller Times. 

Yes, that was the name of the paper. The Corpus Christi Caller Times. Good Christian newspaper. Not like the Catholic Weekly over here that you get free after church. Yeah, well, the Catholic Weekly get free after church. I should also add, though, because we're making, we're being very lighthearted, the man that was shot survived. Oh, yes, just before. We probably wouldn't be laughing. I mean, and we all, come on, you remember that. There might be some people that are hearing this for the first time. Did Dick Cheney shoot someone in the face? And to those people, I say, where the **** were you? Because this was a massive story. 

And the headline in the Corpus Christi Call the Times was Cheney Accidentally Shoots Hunting Companion. They published a story on the 11th of February after being tipped off by a ranch owner's contact before the White House announces anything. 

Because they tried to cover the whole thing up, clearly. 

This is what I think the best bit is. I went to the Corpus Christi Call the Times website, because they've now got a website, because it's the future. And I thought, I'm going to find this article and I'm going to read it. They must have become so famous off the back of this story, off breaking this story. They're behind a paywall. 

The newspaper. 

The Corpus Christi Call the Times is behind the paywall, so I couldn't get the article. 

There's a lot of local newspapers that do that. I'm just like, wow, like. 

They're like. They're **** **** Cheney famous, so they're behind a paywall. 

Yeah, that's, well, I mean, you know, I guess you got to take what you can get, any publicity as they say. But they are behind the paywall. Whittington is behind, I don't know what, because he was the one that ended up apologising. 

Yes, and he was the first one to speak about it. He appears on TV and he apologises to Cheney for the trouble. 

I'm sorry for getting in the way of your gun. 

My family and I are deeply sorry. for all that Vice President Cheney and his family have had to go through this past week. We send our love and respect to them as they deal with situations that are much more serious than what we've had this week. And we hope that he will continue to come to Texas and seek the relaxation that he deserves. 

Situations that are far more serious than what happened this week. I mean. 

You were shot in the face, mate. 

Yes, like I'm sure. 

That's a bit serious. 

It's all relative. Like it's obviously an economy of scale and yes, there's a war on and there's millions of lives at stake, but. 

Also Texas tourism's at stake here. 

I just think. 

Maybe that's why they trotted him out. 

Mister Whittington here could probably. Could probably allow himself a little bit of self-indulgence and feel a little bit sorry for himself. 

Maybe get an apology himself. 

After being shot in the face by the vice president of the United States and the neck and the chest because it was a buckshot. But extraordinary. And then no apology whatsoever from the vice president himself. 

No, early reports indicated that they were friends. Whittington later clarified that they were not close friends but they had an amicable relationship. So definitely no signature on his memento. 

Yeah. 

Cheney then gives a televised interview on the 15th of February, not about the incident, about something totally unrelated, but it came up in the interview. But again, just sort of states the facts and doesn't really apologise. 

No, and I think this grab here, and I'm not sure if it's the same interview, but this is about as close as I could get to even finding a sniff of an apology. 

Ultimately, I'm the guy who pulled the trigger that fired the round that hit Harry. And You can talk about all of the other conditions that existed at the time, but that's the bottom line. And there's no, it was not Harry's fault. You can't blame anybody else. I'm the guy who pulled the trigger and shot my friend. The image of him falling is something I'll never be able to get out of my mind. I fired and there's Harry falling. And it was, I'd have to say, one of the worst days of my life at that moment. 

It's extraordinary how he still makes it. 

But Cheney thought they were friends. Cheney called him his friend, shooting and said they weren't friends. 

Well, yeah, I just, he still made it all about himself. But on the worst days of my life, how do you think old Harry felt with the buckshot in his face? 

According to the statement, they were shooting at a bunch of birds. 

Now this is a statement that was released Later. Well after the local newspaper article. 

Yes. And while Harry was searching for a downed bird, Chaney walked towards another group of birds with another guy about 91 metres away. Whittington approaches about 20, 30 metres away from the shooters. A single bird flies up and around and behind Chaney in the direction of Harry. Chaney shot at that bird and that's when he hit Harry. Now the ranch owner claimed that all the hunting party were wearing orange safety gears, a bit of high vis. And he said no one had been drinking, but they may have had a beer at lunch. But then there was a later statement that said there may have been. 

That's drinking. 

That is drinking. And then we hear that there may have been, may have been a beer or two in the lunch coolers. 

Also drinking. 

But not everyone in the party was shooting. Chaney himself acknowledged that he had. 

Shooting or drinking? 

Drinking and shooting by the sounds of it. 

Or doing both at the same time. Oh, we'll never know. 

Chaney acknowledged that he'd had one beer four or five hours prior to the shooting. But then the ranch owner said he never saw Chaney or Whittington drink until later at the house when Chaney had a few cocktails. 

Was this after he shot him? 

Oh my goodness. 

Look, don't worry, we'll go back to the house, we'll have a couple of cocktails. 

Have a few drinks, you won't feel it anymore. 

So they'd gone to lunch and then they'd had cocktails, allegedly, according to the ranch, I think she, the ranch owner's just trying to make some scratch off the story, maybe. I mean, the thing is too, is The Vice President of the United States of America does not necessarily just grab a rifle and go out and hunt with three or four random blokes. There is a whole bunch of secret service people and advisors and the entourage would be around. 

You'd think so. 

It's wartime. You know, they'd be around. And they were actually, the Secret Service were the ones that came and delivered the first aid after Harry got shot in the face. 

And then there was another twist, a bit of drama a few days later, because doctors found a pellet lodged near his heart. 

Yes. 

Which was causing an irregular heartbeat. And his condition was upgraded from oops to this is actually serious. 

Yeah. 

He eventually recovered, but it did add fuel to the media frenzy. 

Well, it added a lot of fuel to a lot of frenzy because it's not just about... Dick Cheney going on a quail hunt. 

No. 

When I think of quail, I always think Dan Quail as well, which is, that's another politician from America from a completely different timeline. And I'm taking this off on a tangent that we don't need to go on. But it's not just about that. It's about secrecy. And it's about how long can we keep this covered up or put a lid on it until it's appropriate for us to release. They tried to control the narrative and they were completely undermined by the Corpus Christi, whatever times. The news. 

Yes, and was also a bit of a goldmine for late-night comedies, you can imagine. 

Well, we found a lot of fun. Everyone's having fun with it still 20 years after the fact, and after the fact that posthumously for Janey as well, because he's dead now. But he was also, there's a lot of talk and there's a lot of... conversations that happen about the balance of power in office at the time when Cheney was the vice president. And a lot of people have alleged that, you know, Bush was more of a puppet to Cheney and Cheney was the one who was really steering the ship and things like this. And then there's the whole gun culture thing. I mean, they're quail hunting. It's, I don't see a problem, but lots of material, lots of material. Imagine it now. Like what would happen now if like JD Vance decided to go quail hunting in Texas and accidentally shot someone in the face and then they delayed telling anyone about it? 

It'll be on the social media. Someone, someone somewhere would capture some footage, upload it to the TikTok and then it would just spread. Everybody would know. 

Well, the victim apologizes on TV. The victim would straight away be turned into the villain because they'd be seeking attention. He'd be seeking attention. Trump would probably call it fake news or something like that. But somewhere, of course, somebody would probably have footage of the incident, which would just be delightful. There'd be hearings, there'd be people doing videos on TikTok. Let me tell you. 

There'd be a TikTok dance dedicated to it. 

To the quails shooting. Yes, that obviously hasn't happened, but I mean, just extraordinary. What an extraordinary and very funny story. I'll never forget it when it happened at the time. Oh, it's the first sports story we've done for this year. 

Yes, it is. 

Yes. it's the Super Bowl. Super Bowl XL, which I think is 40. 

And Super Bowl 40 underway in Detroit. The kick goes to the three-yard line. Josh Scobee out of Kansas State brings it back out to the 18-yard line. 

Oh yeah, whatever. It wasn't the most exciting of Super Bowls, if I'm being honest. The Pittsburgh Steelers beat the Seattle Seahawks 21-10. But I guess what's notable is Ben Roethlisberger, who's now retired, threw 2 touchdowns. He had one of the lowest passer ratings for a winning quarterback in Super Bowl history. Heinz Ward won the Super Bowl MVP with 123 receiving yards and a touchdown, one of which would have been thrown by, well, both of which were thrown. Anyway, wide receiver Antoine Randle L threw a touchdown pass on a trick play. Seattle scored early, stalled badly in the red zone. It was controversial though. They called it the Ref Bowl. They reckon that the Seahawks fans say that there was a nullified touchdown due to an offensive pass interference call, which could have, you know, closed that margin and maybe given them some momentum. Roethlisberger's rushing touchdown was questionable because a replay suggested that he didn't cross the plane or the goal line. There were lots of penalties that stalled a lot of Seattle drives and even years later their head coach said the officiating impacted the outcome and the game is is often ranked among the most disputed Super Bowl referee performances ever. Ever, ever, ever. 

And the pass over the middle, and that's Stevenson. He's going to drop that one, and that's going to write an end to it. And you're exactly right, John. The first half was a mess at the end. The end of this drive was a mess. As they'll end it on a kneel down, Polomolo will be the safety valve here. And the Pittsburgh Steelers, 7-5, and wouldn't have made the playoffs 2 months ago, run the entire table with eight wins, regular and post, all of them in postseason on the road. 

I think that's always the case too. Like you said there, it was a bit of a messy game, but the Steelers run into that Super Bowl was quite extraordinary because I think they came in as a wildcard. They weren't even expected. They weren't meant to be then. And they had to play every week and they got to the big dance and they won it all. So good for them. But The other thing that's interesting in the context of this year is I just saw the Seahawks knock out the Steelers in the playoffs. And there's still a lot of bad blood 20 years later on because the current coach of the Seahawks, he displayed a lot of passion at the victory. I think he even said that I hate those guys. Yeah, so and that would have probably cost him $20,000 or something. Worth it. Like they get paid enough to do that sort of stuff. So whatever. But I know you don't care about any You're more interested in what happened at halftime. 

Well, not this one. 

There's no *******. 

We're still worried about *******. So what do you do? You get the Rolling Stones. No ******* there. 

Are, but their ******* are kind of dragging along the ground. 

They're tucked into their pants. 

Yes, in their socks. I think more their socks than their pants if we're being nice and safe. Oh, was it? was pretty average. 

A man called us on the radio Chilling me more and more A useless information Supposed to lift my. 

Imagination I mean, It's hard to play in the middle of a sporting field, in the middle of an oval on a makeshift stage, which the stage was the big tongue as well, the Rolling Stones. 

Oh, nice. 

It's a nice touch. They sounded like ****. 

That didn't sound great. No, they also did start me up rough justice. That was obviously satisfaction. And I don't think anyone really cared. And then I was looking at the ads as well, because I thought, oh, maybe something interesting happened in the ads. They're all pretty boring too, because again, remember, I think it was the one the year before where that ad snuck through the GoDaddy one. 

Oh yeah, the GoDaddy. 

That was kind of, yeah, that was a bit loose. So that was all pretty above board. I think the ads that were kind of the big talked about ads, there was one with a lot of chimps partying in an office. 

Oh really? 

And the Budweiser Clydesdale horse ads. 

Yeah, I think Keith Richards from the Rolling Stones looks a lot like a chimp these days. 

There was a few ads for mobile phones, but it was all a bit yawn, to be honest. 

Yeah, it was. You know, though, 20 years ago when we were watching the Rolling Stones play, and I mentioned Keith Richards, but even then, 20 years ago, we were like, geez, it's amazing he's still alive, isn't it? And look at 20 years on, he's still going. No, we'll stay on the music, I guess. Super Bowl halftime shows, the charts, the Billboard charts, the Australian charts. I mean, this is really Mel's forte. I've geeked out over American football. So over to you, Mel. 

We'll start with #1 here in Australia, still Chris Brown with Run It. It's a man on the floor, can run it, run it. 

Girl, I need I can run it, run it. It's a man on the floor at the age and let me know. 

Over in the States, this is what the top five sounded like. 

Nobody gonna love me better. I must stick with you forever. Nobody gonna take me higher. I must stick with you. 

And I can't be without you, baby. And I'll be waiting up until you get home. 'Cause I can't sleep without you, baby. Let me see if you can run it, run it. Girl, indeed, I can run it, run it. Come on. Let me see your crib. Let me see my wife. 

You look like you're going to say something. 

I just, revisiting the conversation we had a couple of weeks ago about grills. And I just, Nelly would have to be a really dumb criminal if he was ever going to embark on a life of crime. Because the statement, rob the jewelry store, tell them, make me a grill. I mean, you're just setting yourself up for failure. Because if you're a smart person in the jewelry store, it's like, I've got him. Because they've robbed me and they're like, now make me a grill. And he's like, sure, it won't be ready until 9 o'clock next Tuesday. 

Yes, write down your name, your address and phone number on this piece of paper. Then we'll have the. 

Authorities waiting for you. Exactly. You stupid criminal. 

I do need to apologize to you actually about Nelly Grills because I was doing the social media for the week and I wanted to put a picture of Nelly in said grills on the social media. And I Googled Nelly Grills and what turned up? Lots of Webers. In the image search, it was all barbecues. There was no Nelly with his grills. 

Wow. 

Isn't that interesting? 

Barbecues win. 

Yes. 

In the battle for them. 

You and Google. I've mind. 

Really? Maybe it's just, maybe it's the algorithm pushing stuff based on the search, whatever's coming through this IP address. Possibly. 

So that was #2. 

Yes, big #2. 

Beyonc� is still #1. Chris Brown run at #3. Number 4, Mary J, be without you, a new entry we'll talk about in a minute. But before we do that, we've got to say, stick with you, puts it out to #5. 

Yes. 

So Mary J has entered the top five with this power ballad. 

See baby, we've been too long for too long. And I can't be without you, baby. I'll be waiting up until you get home 'cause I can't sleep without you, baby. Anybody who's ever loved you knows just what I feel. 

Oh, isn't that nice? 

Yeah, well, she clearly is quite clingy. 

From her album, The Breakthrough, which was meant to be her big comeback, her big commercial peak. She was already a bit of an R&B legend, but had never really done anything huge commercially. She was more in the R&B and hip-hop charts, more well-known. in those circles as opposed to the mainstream Billboard charts. So hoping to get through that radio breakthrough, wanting to compete with beyonc�, Mariah, Alicia Keys. 

Was she ever pushed as a solo artist did she or was she just somebody who would sing on a lot of rap tunes? 

She, no, she'd always been. She's been a solo artist. She did feature on a few other songs, but was predominantly a solo artist. But never had that real mainstream success. But with the success of people like Alicia Keys and Mariah and beyonc�, was really hoping that this would be her breakthrough moment. 

But she's like the musician's musician, right? So like the people in the know, the people in the musician circles. big fans of hers, whereas the general populace, probably not as exposed to her brilliance as perhaps the artists or the people in the new. 

I think mainstream, her best known song would be Family Affair. 

Yeah. 

Which, great catchy song, but not her best song ever. 

Right, okay. 

The album itself debuts at Naborn on the Billboard 200, becomes her biggest selling record ever. So she did have a bit of success there and was aiming for that more polished kind of mainstream sound. This song was written by her and Brian Michael Cox, who is responsible for songs for Usher, Mariah, Boyz II Men, John Tarr, Austin. 

Yeah, sure. That's the guy that wrote the We Belong Together with Mariah. 

And another guy called Jazzy Pha. 

So these are all with a PH. 

Yes, not as in not far away, but Pha. 

Is that like the maybe similar to the Vietnamese soup? Pho. 

Pho, Pho, maybe? 

So do you pronounce it Pha or is it Pha? 

I think it's Pha. Big powerhouses behind the writing of this song. 

Yes. 

But there was a little bit of drama behind the scenes. Apparently multiple versions of the song were recorded. 

This reeks of too many cooks. You've got four people writing the song. 

I think she wanted something a bit more raw, whereas others wanted something more polished, more radio friendly. The length of the track, radio friendly versus something a bit more. 

She's Captain America and Jazzy. Is Iron Man. 

And how much of her personal life should be referenced? Because the song is about surviving relationship struggles, staying together through cheating, addiction, fame and chaos. They did interpret it as a reflection on her relationship with her then husband slash manager, Kendu Isaacs. She's never. 

I bet he can. 

She's never. 

Like the whole suburb? 

Confirmed. 

Sorry, that's a bit of an in-joke. There's a suburb within the vicinity of where we live called Isaacs. And so I was like, Ken do Isaacs. I mean, it's sort of that, or it's like, it's almost like a Star Wars name, isn't it? Ken do. 

Anyway, that's Mary J. Wonder. 

What colour lightsaber he'd have. 

We had a new number one over in the UK charts. Let's have a listen to that. 

Yeah, sure. 

You're not like nasty, girl. I need you to get it. I need you to strip. I need you to shake your little *** and hips. 

I need you to grind like you're working for tips. Oh, that's really creepy. 

All your ladies grab your ******* for BIG. 

That part, that was good. I mean, what, grab them how? Like, how are you grabbing them? 

I like how you like just holding them, shaking them around. 

Yeah, like how are you grabbing them? Is it just a straight grab? I don't know, straight on the *******. 

It's not a very clear instruction, is it? 

It's not. It's a very early 2000s year ago. Oh my God. 

I'm going to be grabbing my memories for BIG, being a bit clearer. But I mean, he's dead, so he just doesn't even know if you're grabbing your ***** for him or not. 

Maybe they're just, maybe like BIGs could grab his own *******. 

Wow. 

He's a big lad. 

Wow. 

He's heavy set. Like, that's he. I mean, he. 

I've never seen his ****. 

Well, I think that's really unfair because he seems to be asking to see everyone else's. So I was like, well, why don't you whip your show? 

Yes. 

Let's see those moves. Notorious. 

Well, you can't because he's dead at this point. This is a posthumous single released in late 2005, but hits the charts in 2006. 

When did he die? 

1997, I'm going to say. It was after Tupac, but not too long after. 

It's a bit foul, really. I mean, lyrical content, yes. But all that aside. 

It's very catchy. I don't hate it. It's catchy, but I think Biggie would hate it because this is not Biggie's sound. 

Well, we just played you the chorus then. Yes. And he's nowhere to be seen. 

No. 

Nowhere to be seen. The track is front loaded with Biggie, who is a very good rapper. I will give him that. He's a great rapper. So you get a little bit of Biggie at the front. 

TV in the legs, they know, they know, quarter past four, left the club tipsy, say no more, except how I'm getting home tomorrow, sees a drop, get off when he sees the old, back of my mind, I hope she's swallowed, man, she spilled the drink on my cream while lows, reached the gate, hungry, just ate, riffing, she got the beat to work by. 

It. I think that's his inner monologue. It's all his thoughts. Yes, I mean, but the gist is that he they're faced and it's 4:00 in the morning and they're going home from the club and he's going to get it on and he really hopes. 

Someone's going to shake their ******* for it. 

Potentially. And also I think there was something about swallowing there. I'm not sure. 

Oh, lovely. 

Whether they're bird watching and they want to see a couple of swallows or something like that. 

Scalling a beard. 

Who knows? Who knows? Very early 2000s, late 90s, toxic masculinity creeping in there, isn't it? 

Very distinctive voice. 

I mean, that's also how we caught it. Oh, there you go. I mustn't have. 

You've summoned him from beyond the grave. 

I don't know what happened then. I think I mustn't have cut the grub. 

Maybe we're getting haunted by Biggie. Speaking of grubs, you better shake your ******* please. 

No, I'll try. 

So, yeah, it's not it's not typical Biggie sound. It's a slick early 2000s. kind of R&B dancey, and the chorus there that you would have heard is Jagged Edge. 

Yeah. 

So that kind of R&B dancey. 

Jagged Edge is an R&B group, I'm assuming. 

Yeah, what did they sing? Did they sing Let's Get Married? One of those songs. Anyway, they were on the Bad Boy label. This is obviously produced by Bad Boy, which is P. Diddy. And he owned at this stage, and probably still does, all the rights. to Biggie's music after Biggie died. So he then grabs the original vocal and then turns it into this. And it also features, well, Diddy puts himself in everything, doesn't he? Nelly is on this as well. A guy called Avery Storm. And it was really part of their strategy because Biggie was the biggest artist on the Bad Boy label at the time. And this was part of their strategy to keep him commercially relevant in the 2000s club era. So they turn it into this. 

I think it was a chance for P. Diddy to just keep making money off his dead friend. 

Yes. Well, keeping him commercially relevant so that he will still make money for him. 

I mean, I'm very ignorant to this kind of world, especially back then. I've since... stepped up and been educated slightly thanks to you. But I don't recall hearing anything of or about the Notorious B.I.G. until after he died and Diddy was doing stuff like this, like putting out all of these songs about him. 

There was very much the East Coast, West Coast stuff. So if you were into rap and you read The Source Magazine back in the 90s, you'd be aware of him. But mainstream wise, no, it wasn't until after his death. So the song Hypnotize, probably the one that most people know from Biggie, that was released just weeks after his death. Massive global hit, often considered his biggest song. Again, he's dead at the time. Mo Money Mo Problems with Puff Daddy and Mates. 

Oh yeah, okay. 

Another posthumous hit. 98 Sky's the Limit came out as well. And then? 

But those were those, are you saying that they were more true to what his sound was? 

Hypnotize is probably closer to him. Yeah. 

But as the years go on, we start to distance ourselves from that. 

But I think as we enter the 2000s. And you start having, 50 Cent on the scene, Ja Rule, we're becoming a bit more pop radio friendly, a bit more commercial, got to add a bit of a dance beat. And so it's things like Jagged Edge, 112, that sort of R&B dance club era. 

Yeah. 

Remix Biggie into that. 

And then you've got to ask yourself, would Biggie Smalls, would he want that for his? 

Look, I don't want to speak on behalf of him. 

Why not? Well, Diddy does all the time. Don't worry about it. It's fine. He's, I mean, he's using his. He's putting all this out. Calling it his. 

I, yeah, look, I don't know. I can't see Biggie releasing something like that. 

Well, I don't know. I mean, if he's, if all he's got in his head is, oh God, I hope she swallows. Who the **** knows? Like. 

It's interesting to watch the video clip, to re-watch the video clip now with everything that has happened over the last couple of years. 

Oh, it's yucky. It's very yucky. 

And obviously there's been the documentary that's come out from 50 Cent as well for those that have seen that. So it's very interesting to go and watch the clip to this. And it's that very, Luxurious, curated fantasy, a lot of women. 

Playboy Mansion toy stuff. 

Shaking their bits. Nelly is in the song, so features heavily in the clip. Where are his grills? 

Nelly is in the bus. 

I'm glad that he stayed true to his grills. 

Nelly's having a bath. He's wearing his grills in the bus. 

He's wearing his grills in the bar. I don't know that you should wear your grills. 

Don't take your grills in the bar. 

They might bust. 

Well, that's it. You know, I used to take my Masters of the Universe figures in the bar. 

Oh, they'd go mouldy. They're mouldy on the inside. 

I didn't take Moss Man in the bar, but I. My Barbies went mouldy on the inside. You know how they had the. spring-loaded hip, and the spring with rust, and then they just become really flaccid in the hips. 

Yes, so Nellie's grill might become flaccid in the bath. So Nellie's in the bath with two women, and Diddy pops in, and it's all... It's crazy. You need to go and look, you need to go and watch it. 

If you know, knowing what you know now. 

Well, allegedly what you know now. And then watching it and then reading the comments. So after the docos come out and after everything's gone down over the last couple of years, people have come back to this video clip and. 

For the comments. 

Have a read of the comments if you're there. Interestingly as well, Usher pops up in the clip. Usher's not even in the song. He doesn't even sing in the song. He just pops. 

They're just miming. It's just all... 

He just pops into the video clip. Pharrell pops in there. 

Fat Joe. 

And none of them are actually in the song. 

It's all a bit yucky. 

They're on the yacht with the ladies shaking their bits. And yes, anyway, go and watch it. It's interesting. 

Oh, well, speaking of nasty girls... Look, I don't actually think this person is a nasty girl, but the paparazzi had designs on kind of turning her into a nasty girl, I think. This was getting out of hand at this stage. So this time, this is more music news, by the way. This is when... those photos surfaced showing Britney Spears driving with her son sitting on her lap instead of a car seat. And she's holding the steering wheel of the car with one hand, the four-month-old baby in the other hand, and then somebody sitting in the passenger seat next to her. So she's driving with the kid in a lap. Now, I'm a child of the 80s, and I think I turned out okay. But I recall Doing far worse things inside a moving vehicle when I was a child. 

I don't even think our first car had seat belts in the back seats. 

No, not in the back. I think we had to stand up. 

I think we had to get them fitted after it became the law. 

Dad would smoke in the front. 

Did you only ride in the boot? Did you go in the boot ever? That was fun. 

Only to sneak into the drive-in. Yes, me too. Yeah, sneak in the drive-in, they'd put you in the boot. Our parents put us in the boot. 

That happened to me as well. 

Did that actually happen? I don't think I actually went into the boot. I think we might have put a blanket over my brother's head at one stage. No, I was in the boot. Or told him to lie about his age or something like that. 

Pretty sure I was in the boot. 

Look, I, you know. 

Anyway, wild times. 

Yes, but you know, I just, I didn't really bat an eyelid when I first saw this. And then of course I was like, oh, that's terrible. Can't do that with a child. Of course not. Of course you can't. 

Instant global moral panic. We had parenting experts discussing The tabloids, the talk shows, everybody was weighing in on whether or not Brittany was a bad mom, right? 

What we have here is that fledgling... outrage culture, right? And it's kind of not spilled onto the socials as such, because the socials are still also in their fledgling stages. But the outrage culture is very much perpetuated by the media and the paparazzi who know that this is, I mean, these guys are like, they're probably seeing the end times of their media on the horizon. And so they're like, how are we going to sell magazines? Well, this will do it. This will do it. So they did, they went berserk. And everyone was talking about it was all over your breakfast TV and all of that sort of stuff. And she had a bit of a different take on it. And it was, I think maybe some of it had been taken out of context because she was harassed and whatnot by the paparazzi. And I think she was just trying to get away from them. And obviously, as a mum with a baby, she was probably even more so wanting to get away from them. 

This is the era where the paparazzi really upped their game, particularly with Britney. Their helicopters would fly over her house all the time. She's obviously just given birth. So it was Sean Preston. He's 4 months old at this stage. So just trying to get the photos of the baby. They would run out in front of the car. They'd be banging on the windows. They'd be following her down the street. There was that other footage where she was walking with him and holding him and stumbled trying to get away from them. And you know, there's all these comments around not supporting the baby's head and neck. And it's like, well, you guys are the reason she tripped over trying to get away from you. And she came out and said that she was terrified because they were starting to get physically aggressive. And this is the time when you see them starting to heckle and say things just to get a reaction so that they can get the photo of them maybe swearing or looking disheveled or looking angry or even coming at them and pretending to go for them. So she was really worried that they were going to put her in danger was the statement that she then released afterwards. And she said she instinctively took measures to get her and her baby out of harm's way. But the paparazzi continued to stalk them. She said she loves her child and would do anything to protect him. 

Imagine if you were putting your kid in the car and some rando just came up and bashed on the window as you were getting in the driver's seat, where your kid was sitting. You'd freak. Having said that, and with all of those things that are going on and they're trying to catch her out, like, Who's helping? How old is she at this stage? 

She's still early 20s, isn't she? 

Early 20s with a baby. What I want to know is who's around her helping her. Because surely, like somebody's. Where's the bodyguards? Where's the bodyguards? Where's somebody saying, listen, just whatever you do, don't do that. I'll take care of the kid. Let's get out of here or whatever. Where's someone there helping her? As opposed to her, just I'll do it. Or get a driver. Or something. 

Tinted windows. 

Something. I mean, she's one of the biggest pop stars on the planet with with, and as you can tell by all the chasing of the paparazzi and all of that sort of stuff, and she's just giving them material left, right and centre. And then it's like, well, if the people that are around her are around her and she has people around her, maybe this is part of their strategy. You know, because it keeps her in the headlines. Maybe. When you look at that, like Matt, the Matt Lauer interview, that was the one that she did after this about her parenting, right? 

Is Brittany a bad mom? It's not like, did Britney record a bad song? Is Britney wearing a bad outfit? Is Britney in a bad marriage? 

Yeah. 

Is Britney a bad mom? 

That's America for you. 

Yeah, but as a mother, that has to hit pretty close to home. 

Yeah, makes you really strong. 

Make you weep. 

Oh, I've wept. Yeah, I've definitely wept, just... with the world, how judgmental they are. what? I know I'm a good mom. 

He just seems to be trying to go to a response. It's a really boring interview, to be honest with you. It's really boring, but it was the big story, and they just keep trying to get stuff out of her, and he gets what he wants out of her eventually. 

What do you think it'll take to get the paparazzi to leave you alone? 

I don't know. I don't know. 

Is that one of your biggest wishes? 

Yeah. It's okay. I would like for them to leave me alone. 

If you could talk to them as individuals, not as a group, what would you say to them? 

I would just say that you have babies at home. And you have... You have a life. And if you don't, you have to realize that we're people and that we need to-- we just need privacy and we need our respect. And those are things that you have to have as a human. 

And yet, as upset as it makes you, you wouldn't trade your life now, it seems. That seems strange for some people to understand if they're making you this miserable. How can you still say, but I'm lucky? 

Because I have to believe that I'm here for a reason. 

What's the reason? 

I don't know. I keep searching every day. 

Whoa, that's, it's pretty awkward. Like, and it's uncomfortable. And there's a lot going on there. But I just, I mean, that's a person that's just being left alone. Like. 

And I guess think about to like, you had a baby four months ago. Like you're in the throes of newborn. You don't know what you're doing. She's with Kevin Federline for God's sake. He'd be hopeless. What kind of support would he? No, he's trying to be a rapper. He's not, he's not around. He's not helping out with the baby. 

No. 

So, you know, it's all on her. She's still so very young. It's her first baby. I don't know if the parents are around helping you out or anything like that, but imagine trying to navigate that And then having the world say that you're a bad mother. 

Yeah. 

My God. 

She just continues to be a really tragic figure in pop culture, I think. Like, there's not a lot of good that can come out of it. 

Obviously, she did do the wrong thing. You don't drive with a baby on your lap. Like, you don't do that. 

Yeah, no, of course you do. 

But this is the beginning of the end for Britney, really. This is the start of The undoing. Yeah, We've got, I think it's 2007, maybe the head shaving incident with the umbrella and it's where it all starts to unravel for her. 

I have to believe I'm here for a reason. I just don't know what that is yet. I mean, this is a kid who's been, she's been in the entertainment business since she was like. 

Doesn't know anything different. 

Before puberty. Before puberty. So it's a lot. And I think this was peak paparazzi era. So like I think things have changed a little bit since then, but maybe not so much because you don't need paparazzi when you've got citizens doing their job for. 

Citizens on patrol. Yeah, like now you put your baby front facing like 2 weeks too early in the car seat and you know your mum shamed forever. 

Exactly, It's not just it's not just limited to people like Britney Spears. It could happen to anyone. 

Anyone, yeah. 

I need to shake some of that juju off with some entertainment. Oh, and then we've got a movie about babysitting. And it's every babysitter's worst nightmare. That's the premise for it. It's called When A Stranger Calls. Oh, I'm just going over the Spears household to look after the kids. Hello. 

Have you checked the children? 

This feature cannot be used with a number. Hello? Who is this? Hello? Bobby? Jill, is that you? Have you been calling me? Can I speak with the police? Has he threatened you? He just keeps on calling. You're safe inside that house. Why are you doing this? What do you want? Stop calling me, you sick. 

Jill, it's the police. 

We trace the call. It's coming from inside the house. You hear me? It's coming from inside the house. 

And then Kevin Federline comes out with it. dear, sorry. Yes, a teenage babysitter takes a high-paying gig in a remote ultra-modern mansion, gets creepy phone calls, and then she finds out he's inside the house. This is, there was a movie in 1979 called When A Stranger Calls, and they basically turned this, film into, which is based on the opening of that film. 

Yeah, they have you checked the children? 

Yeah, that ends up being sort of the whole thing. 

Yes. 

Yeah, it wasn't great. It was just one of those maltsy, schlocky, box office horror things. And it was okay. Made $15 million, made $66 worldwide. 

One of those ones who hire it on DVD or video and watch it with your friends at a sleepover and then be too scared to go to the toilet. 

It's just a date night movie. Like, it's Rotten Tomatoes hated it. I can't even remember what they gave it, but I know they didn't like it. They said it was dull and predictable. And, you know, you're looking at the other remakes from then. So When A Stranger Calls is just another one. I mean, a long list. You remember they remade the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. They did the Amityville Horror. They remade that with Ryan Reynolds. No, not Ryan Reynolds. 

Cosley. 

Yes, Ryan Reynolds. Yes, no, it was with Deadpool. Yes, they remade Amityville. The Hills Have Eyes and so on and so forth. It just, I mean, wait till it comes out on DVD, really. Have you checked the children? I mean, it couldn't have come out at a better time, though, really, with the Brittany story as well. I feel like there would have been a lot of cross-promote happening on commercial radio with that. Really. 

Yes, Here in Australia, we had a different number one. We had Walk the Line. 

If you was hit by a truck, and you were lying out in that gutter dying, and you had time to sing one song. One song that would let God know what you felt about your time here on Earth. One song that would sum you up. That's the kind of song that truly saves people. Hello, I'm Johnny Cash. 

Ask you how you came up with that sound. Steady like a train, sharp like a razor. We'd play faster if we could. 

The taste of love is sweet. We're all going to hell for a song for a song. 

And what about me, Jerley? Am I going to hell? 

No, June, you're beautiful. 

Bound by wild desire, I fell into a rainbow. Sorry, what just happened? 

You should try taking credit for something. 

Come on, baby. Baby, baby, baby, baby. Tell me you don't love me. 

I don't love you. 

Lie her. 

Mr. Cash. Yeah, it was a great movie. Walk the Line, the biographical drama about Johnny Cash, starring Joaquin Phoenix and Reese Witherspoon. I love this movie. I really, really enjoyed it. covers like his early career at Sun Records, the complicated romance he has with June Carter Cash. He's played by Reese Witherspoon. Reese Witherspoon was excellent in this film. his addiction, his self-destruction, redemption, and then they get married. Well, they didn't really live happily ever after, but they certainly lived an interesting life. So Joaquin Phoenix, Johnny Cash, Reese Witherspoon as June Carter, Jennifer Goodwin as Vivian Liberto, who was Johnny Cash's first wife, Robert Patrick, the T-1000, as Johnny Cash's dad. Yes. It was terrifying. Yes, he was. 

The dad and the T1000. 

28 million in the US, 186 worldwide. 

And they sang their own songs too. 

Yeah, they did. 

They did the vocals. 

They did. Joaquin was great. Reese Witherspoon was great. She won the Academy Award, Reese Witherspoon for that, for Best Actress that year. Joaquin got nominated. It won Golden Globes, BAFTAs, all the critics loved it. Everyone was listening to Johnny Cash songs like Ring of Fire, and there was a huge revival for all of his stuff. I think the soundtrack went to the top of the charts in various places. And I mean, this was sort of part of that wave where they had, you know, the Ray, which was the Jamie Foxx movie about Ray Charles and then I believe there was a parody, Walk Hard, which was the Dewey Cox story, which they parodied this movie, which was a bit silly. But it was good, it was fun, it's exciting. Almost wraps it up, but we do have one more agenda item. We have a match, a celebrity wedding, as our hatches, matches and dispatches clue would allude to. A couple who said this. 

I'm Jacqueline. 

I'm Scott. Welcome to our home. 

That is, if you said Jacqueline and Scott, stap. You'd be correct. The frontman of Creed, of course, he married Jacqueline. Nishi. I don't know how. She was a Miss New York USA contestant. Nishiwa. There you go. Nishiwa. Jacqueline Nishiwa. On the 10th of February in Miami. A very private ceremony, which is interesting for a rock star as flamboyant and narcissistic as Scott Stapp. 

But there was controversy. 

Was there? 

He went missing. 

Did he? 

There was, it was very infamous. He went missing. 

A runaway groom. 

He went missing for days before the ceremony. Guests and family couldn't find him and rumours were going around that he He'd gone on a bender. Probably not room, it's probably true. He finally shows up just hours before the wedding. 

Well, and they still went ahead with it, went ahead with it. 

Got there just in time. 

Well, he was known for being a bit difficult. Bit of an egomaniac rock star. 

He's had addiction struggles over the years, public meltdowns. There's a lot of tabloid drama for him as well. Excess. I think he came out recently or after this and I think had been diagnosed with bipolar disorder maybe? 

Possibly. 

I think. 

There's a big redemption arc for Creed at the moment which just leans into... But we won't go there. They've reunited. They were doing the cruise and stuff. Sadly, these guys divorced in 2012. But that's pretty good. 6 years, a couple of kids. Three kids. 

Three, yes. Three, there you go. 

The Stapp family. Welcome to their home. Oh, with arms wide open. Yeah, my sacrifice. My sacrifice. 

I am overcome. Was that correct? 

No, that was that was live. 

Oh, same thing. 

You know, yeah, it's they're close. Pretty much. They could do it. They could definitely tour together. They'd be good tour, mate. 

Be a good fit. 

Oh, it'd be a great fit. Be a great fit. You know what else would be a good fit? Getting the hell out of here. 

Yeah, great. 

We're done for this week. We're done. But we do have more for you next week because I mean, it is 2006 and we're going to keep rolling on week to week. What is happening next week though? 

Next week. Oh, we have the sentencing of the ball in the. 

That is a huge news story. 

Very big here in Australia in particular. And probably the biggest song, I'm going to say, of the mid-2000s hits the charts. James Blunt's You're Beautiful. 

Have we? We've spoken about that. 

We've spoken about the album. The album was released last year, as in 2005, but now is when it starts. 

A fish. 

And you know what? We didn't actually know what the song was about. We found out afterwards. I only just found out like now. 

Did it give you the ick? 

Not the ick, but it's like, oh damn, that just changes everything. 

Does it? I can't wait. Well, we're going to have to. Till next week. Thanks very much. Come and find us on the social search for T-minus 20 podcast, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube even. We're there. We're all over it. 

Yes, we are. 

You can be all over us if you come and message us there or do whatever you want to do. Don't let me sort of tell you how to leave us. 

Let me know if you've still got your bicentennial memento and how many autographs you got. 

Yes. If you're brave, upload a photo. 

Yeah, if you've got your school photo in there. Yeah, I'll put my flicks in there. 

Really. 

I'm going after the socials. 

That's awesome. Thanks. We'll see you next week. 

See ya. 

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