So NoTORIous: Did Tori Spelling accidentally create influencer culture?

Rewind to 2 – 8 April 2006 — when reality TV got self-aware, club tracks got questionable and the weather channel was basically a thriller series 🌪️

🎭 Tori Spelling breaks the fourth wall (and her own reputation)
Before influencers curated their lives, Tori Spelling was out here parodying hers on So NoTORIous. It’s meta, messy and weirdly ahead of its time—taking shots at nepotism, fame and her own tabloid image before that was the brand. One season, cult status, and a clear “walked so Kardashians could run” moment. Honestly… was she the blueprint?

🍑 “Ms. New Booty” takes over every dancefloor
Bubba Sparxxx drops The Charm and suddenly Ms. New Booty is unavoidable. Produced by the Ying Yang Twins, it’s peak crunk era: repetitive, chaotic and absolutely thriving in sticky-floored clubs. The lyrics? Minimal. The cultural impact? Unfortunately large. It’s giving Girls Gone Wild energy… and not in a way that aged well. Iconic or should’ve stayed in 2006? You decide.

🌪️ Tornado outbreak turns the US into a disaster movie
Across states like Tennessee and Missouri, more than 60 tornadoes rip through towns in a week of full-on supercell chaos. Night-time strikes, rain-wrapped funnels and zero smartphone alerts means people are relying on sirens and TV cut-ins like their lives depend on it—because they do. This is peak Weather Channel obsession era, with storm chaser footage starting to hit early YouTube and everyone suddenly an amateur meteorologist.

🤟 Sign language gets its moment (and the respect it deserves)
New Zealand officially recognises New Zealand Sign Language as a national language, joining English and Māori. It’s a huge win for accessibility and a reminder that language isn’t just spoken—it’s performed, expressed and fully embodied. Also: sign languages aren’t universal, interpreters at concerts go HARD and everyone briefly considers learning to sign after one very inspiring school assembly.

🎶 Forever Young becomes… cooler, somehow
Aussie indie band Youth Group drops their haunting cover of Forever Young (originally by Alphaville) and suddenly we’re all feeling things. Boosted by The O.C., it hits #1 and cements the mid-2000s obsession with stripped-back emotional covers. Bonus points if you stared out a car window dramatically while listening.

🧊 Ice Age 2 melts the box office
Ice Age: The Meltdown crashes in with bigger chaos, more characters and Scrat still stealing the show. It pulls in over $650 million worldwide, proving sequels could absolutely cash in—even if the original had more cultural clout. Also responsible for at least 70% of Happy Meal toy negotiations that year.

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The year is 2006. We head to the hills and learn reality is scripted. Your Sony Cyber Shot uploads 462 blurry regrets. A Facebook poke makes everything complicated. And Twitter's like, cool story, you've got 140 characters. Go. T-minus 20. Rewind 20 years with Joe and Mel. Week 2, April 2006. T-minus 20. Bringing sexy back. I want to forgive you. T-minus 20. I hate this long distance relationship. And I want to forget you. You have no style or succession. This is a beauty. This is very nice. Yeah, boy. 

Welcome to T-minus 20, the podcast where we rewind to the exact same week 20 years ago and unpack what the world was watching, listening to and absolutely losing its mind over one chaotic headline at a time with your host Jo and Mel. Hello, Mel. 

Hello, we are talking chart toppers, pop culture moments, questionable trends and the kind of news stories that felt huge at the time and a lot of them a lot wilder in hindsight as well. Basically a time capsule of the mid 2000s. It's the dial October, but with all the drama, this week is the 2nd to the 8th of April, 2006. 

And good evening, everyone. It was quite a day. At least 35 tornadoes grew from the skies in Tennessee today. 

The Twisters have taken 11 lives and wiped away entire neighborhoods. 

Tornado season in the United States of America. Dozens of quisters ripping across multiple states. Storm chasers living out their best chaotic lives. And the Weather Channel becomes must-see TV. This time 20 years ago. You want a little more frosting on your cakes? Yeah! Feel a little lacking in your packing sometimes? Yeah! Do you want people to stop you on the street and ask you if you're wearing cantaloupes in your jeans? Yeah, if you do, look no further, because Bubba Sparks has got the answer. This new booty is the product for you. It'll take you from ordinary to extraordinary instantaneously. Are you ready to get it right and... Yeah. Are you ready to get it right and get it tight, Mel? Always. 

Always. The soundtrack. 

Do you want somebody to say that you're smuggling cantaloupes in your jeans? 

2006 was all about the booties, wasn't it? 

Indeed, and it was Bubba Sparks that was leading the charge. We'll talk about that in a music segment. Single camera, half hour, sitcom, and it's a loosely based on my life. Loosely. 

Loosely. How loosely? Loosely. 

As loosely as you want to think of it. That was Tori Spelling on the Tony Danza show. 

Yes, this is pre-Kardashians before influencers. She's out there kind of making fun of her own fame and basically predicting what's to come for reality TV. 

She's doing scripted reality, but she's the first person to own up. We'll talk about it later. She owns up to it being scripted. Lots of stuff happening. And look, I've got something that's happening that's a bit of a surprise for you this week, Mel. Now, I love it when you do like those little quizzes and stuff for me. how you do the quizzes and stuff. So I want to stop this music. I'm going to stop that music there. And I think we need a little bit of a, like, some game show music, some Price is Right music. Because everyone's kind of wigging out about the cost of living at the moment, okay? And at time of recording, petrol is the latest cab off the rank, so to speak. And so I thought, what better time? 

Better do with some white goods. 

You could do with some white goods. Maybe you could do with a petrol voucher or an electric vehicle. Geez, that was a good choice. We bought a car two years ago and it wasn't electric. 

No. 

Now we're paying for it. Anyway, I thought we could do like the price is right cost of living. edition. 

Oh, nice. 

So I'm thinking like, what do you think the price of a certain thing was back in 2006? 

So is this like price is right rules, closest without going over kind of thing? 

Well, sort of. Just guess a few times. It's just me. Because it's only you by yourself. So it's good. Don't break my game show, okay? I've worked really hard on this. I spent all the time. What do I win? 

What do I win? 

Five minutes while you're doing your lipstick getting it. What do you win? 

It takes a while to get the lips on. 

Yeah, what do I win? I don't know, a Mac Cosmetics voucher, or where do you go to get your makeup from? Mecca, if they'd like to sponsor me. Mecca, really? Mecca. It's not even Ramadan. It's quite the experience. All right, so cost of living 2006 versus today. The price is right. It probably lives. So the median, and I'm talking like Canberra prices where we live. Okay, so the median house price in in the ACT, roughly $735,000 in 2026. But what about 2006? 

2006, we're talking freestanding or townhouse or apartment? How many bedrooms? How many bathrooms? 

I don't know, a standard 3 bedroom house. 

All right, okay. In a north. 

Typically, it's if the median one in 2026 is 735. That gives you an idea. It's not, it's not going to be expensive house. 

Most of them. I am going to say 320,000. 

Higher. 

Higher. 410. 

Lower. 

380. 

Oh geez, that's pretty close. 

What was it? 

375. 

375. 

Yeah, 375. I'm going to give you, I don't even know what I'm doing with the buttons here. I'll give you, I'll give you this. 

Geez, that wouldn't even get you a one Betty set up these days, would it? 

So, no. So these days, a new car, typically a family sedan, between $35,000 and $50,000. How much was that in 2006? 

I am going to say Sixteen 990 drive away, no more to pay. 

This is a typical family sedan, an average one. You're probably, you're probably going lower. 

I'm thinking, yeah, I'm thinking hatchback. 

You're being a bit frugal. 

No, I'm thinking about what I would have bought. 

Okay, 35 to 50 pay now. 

All right, I'm going to say 24,990 drive away, no more to pay. 

I'm just going to pay that. I think that's pretty good. It's between 20 and $30,000. So I'll take 24,990 right in the middle. 

But that would be a nice one too, though. That wouldn't just be. crappy, cheap one. That one would have power windows for that price. 

That's right. Let's just go to some staples, all right? Staples. One kilogram of chicken these days is about $13.71 on average in the ACT. 

Yep, Yeah. 

One kilo of chicken. How much in 2006? 

$7.49 a kilo. 

Oh, I'm going to pay that as well. They said between 5:00 and $7, but that's very good. I'm impressed. Okay, what about a kilo of beef? You think about it now, a kilo of beef at the moment is, like they're saying on average it's about $21.67 on average these days. I'd argue it's probably higher than that depending on the cut. But if we're just talking like maybe rump steak, let's go with that $21.67, yeah, a kilo there of rump. 

Is that how much it is? 

That just sunk in. Yeah. 

13 bucks. 

Oh. Between 10 and $12. So you're on the high end of it, but I'll take it. 

I like premium beef. 

I'll take it. I know. 

I like my beef premium. 

Absolutely. Well, you've come to the right place, haven't you? You've married the right guy. Bulk toilet paper, $18, between $10 and $18. How many rolls? It's a bulk pack. So it's a bulk pack. 24? Yeah, 24 pack of toilet paper. Okay, how much is that now? It's between 10 and $18. Okay, jeez. 

767. 

You're amazing. Between 5 and $8. 25. That's a big price hike on toilet paper, isn't it? COVID drive that up. 

Yeah, panic buying does that to a product. 

What about a litre of milk, a metre of milk? I don't even know what that is. A litre of milk is about $1.23 to $1.70. I'm talking about like, you know, not your generic, like your normal dairy farmer's milk, right? 

Yeah. 89 cents. 

It's, well, no, a little bit higher. 

Dollar 10. 

Yeah, that's pretty good. Between a dollar and a dollar 20. It stayed pretty steady, actually. Milk's held its value, which is not good for the dairy farm. 

It's not good for the resale, not good for eBay. I remember, did you get- It's. 

Very hard to pack and send. 

Yes, I know. Did you have the Milko when you were a kid? Did you do that? 

Yeah. 

With the bottles. 

Well, my dad was a Milko. 

But he was not the Milko where you lived. No. He was in a different area. 

But yes, we used to have milk. 

With the bottles. And so you'd wash the bottles and you put the bottles out. 

I don't remember the bottles. I'm sure that It must have happened at some stage. 

The bottles and they had their little foil lids that you threw away and then you'd wash your bottles and you put them back out the next night with your money. I'm pretty sure that a bottle of milk, which would have been a litre, was about 40 or 50 cents when I was growing up. I think it was 50 cents because Halloween was on and some kids did a trick or treat and my parents didn't believe it so they wouldn't answer the door and they took the 50 cents for the milk. We didn't get any milk on Halloween so the trick was on. 

That's a great story. And thanks very much for derailing my game show. 

Okay. I was just panning for time while I think through the prices. 

So, well, look, I've only got one more anyway. I think, like, okay. I've probably got two. So average household income in Canberra is quite high for the rest of the country. It's between 120 and $140,000. What do you think? 

Household income. 

Yeah. What do you think it was in? That's household. 

So that's two wages. 

Yeah. So between 120, 140 average. 

Yeah. 

Highest incomes nationally in Canberra, don't forget. So average in 2006. 

Seventy-five. 

Between 60 and 75 a year. Okay, this is the big one. Like you're talking about milk being 50 cents a litre. At time of recording, I think petrol is looking at around $2.40 and $2.50 a litre at the moment with a view to probably going up a little bit higher based on current world events, which we're all very depressed about. 

I remember it was 80 cents a litre. 

Yeah, okay, so how much was petrol in 2006? If you remember when it was 86, what year was that? 

Was when I first got my answer. 

Not 86, 80 cents. Okay, that was, you're a bit older than that. 

No, but I first got my license, it was the year 2, like 99. I got my license. I was a late blue morning, kept driving. 

So this is the big one. This is the big kicker. How much was petrol in 2006? 

I remember there were a few times when it went up over a dollar and we just like lost our ****. Ninety-six cents. 

Oh, that's no, I'm gonna have to say higher. 

Higher. 

Yeah. 

Dollar 2. 

Higher. 

Dollar 7. 

Higher. 

Dollar 15. 

Really? Yes. Really? There must have been something going on. Something to be, it's all to be completely outraged about. Of course, most of the staff is kind of, it's kind of matched the average wage, except for housing. Like housing is. 

Yeah, housing is the killer. Doesn't seem like that much of a dump, but when you talk about housing. 

So wages on average about two, two times increase if you're looking at 140 now, 70, everything was kind of half back then. And now, but except for housing, which is two or three times, which is just. When you look at it like that, it's like it was half back then and it's still half now. Why is it more now? Can't it just still be what it was? Does that make sense? No. Why not? 

It doesn't make sense. I just want to know if I've got a microwave. 

I'm not in economics. I'll just, no, I tell you what, you've won. Something to think about. That was, I think that went really well. It's time for the Hatches Matches and Dispatches clip. Did you like my quiz? 

It was pretty good, yeah. 

I thought it was pretty good. 

But it was also depressing at the same time. Yeah, it is a bit stressful. 

Well, it is. 

Cost of living is actually quite stressful. 

It is. 

It's starting to make me a bit worried now. 

Yeah, so I'm peaking about it as well. But as always, I mean, it's never too late to switch to a life of crime if podcasting doesn't take off. So just while we're playing at home, we might as well play some more stuff at home and do the Hatches Matches and Dispatches clue for our segment. At the end of the show, hatches, matches, and dispatches a celebrity. Oh, this is a, well, it's not a hatch, it's not a match, it's an unmatch. 

Oh, yes, and a conscious uncoupling is what we called it back in the 2000s. 

Well, it's a divorce, I believe, from a person who said this. 

I mean, we could, I guess we could talk to each other about anything. I guess that was a big thing in a relationship, but I don't know if he was a good husband or not, really. He's the only husband I've been with, so I can't compare him to anybody else. 

Right. I'm sure you're about to find out because that person gets divorced and we'll find out who that is at the end of the show. 

2nd of April, 2006. Well, this kind of runs across the whole week as we head into peak tornado season over in the States. 

Runs across the country too. 

We had a major outbreak, yeah, across central and southern United States. hit states including Tennessee, Missouri, Arkansas, Kentucky, and what they refer to as the classic supercell thunderstorm kind of setup. 

Right now, we're only beginning to get a sense of the destruction of this latest tornado outbreak. 

But as of tonight, Gallatin may have seen the worst of today's terrible tornado outbreak. 

Take a look at this incredible video shot near the Volunteer State Community College and the Woodhaven community. Eight people were killed in Sumner County alone. The tornadoes wiped out huge homes on some properties. All that's left is the foundation. 

The outbreak of a, like a tornado outbreak is, that just doesn't sit very well, does it? I mean, we're used to like a cyclone coming in. Usually one at a time. 

Yeah. 

Or a hurricane. There's a little bit of downtime between them two. Just 60 of them. 

60 plus. 

60 plus tornadoes reported over this outbreak period, which is peak tornado season in the States. Several rated at EF2 or EF3 intensity, which is strong enough to rip homes to shreds. 

Oh, f**k. Yeah, f**k. 

Yeah. Not a, no, was it, you said, oh. There's no, yeah. Yeah, yes, exactly. That's what happens when you get out of the tornado shelter and have a look around and you go, oh, ****. So there's at least 10 fatalities across multiple states there. There's terrible. Hundreds were injured, widespread property damage. I can't imagine what it must be like to get your place insured in those locales because it seems to happen quite frequently. 

And even that concept of going down into the cellar or whatever it is down under the shelter onto your house and just having to sit there and not know You wake up in the land. 

Of Oz and your house has landed on a witch or something. Hundreds of people injured in all seriousness, widespread property damage, multiple tornadoes wrapped in rain, harder to see, more dangerous. The storm chasers love it though, they go after it. But they also, the scary ones are the ones that hit overnight when people are asleep because there's a much higher risk of casualties there. So, you know, sirens, TV, weather coverage, all of the main warning systems. This is pre-smartphone alerts as well, which is why I think probably, I'd like to, I mean, I don't have any statistics, I was too busy doing my stupid game at the start of the show, but I would like to think that with the dawning of smartphones, maybe the casualties sort of go down a little bit because of that geo-targeting information. 

Yeah, potentially, potentially, because when you're relying on TV weather coverage too, what happens when the power goes out? 

Exactly right. 

Or are you down in the cellar shelter thing and you don't have any TV down there? 

By the same reckoning, I'm sure mobile phone towers don't stand up very well against tornadoes. 

Potentially. 

Who knows? 

But it was particularly bad in 2006 because there was so much going on all at once. And it did push for better early warning systems. So this is when we did start to talk about, well, surely there's got to be a better way to warn people. And they improved the radar system. So it was more more in the forecasting and predictions and the alerting tech obviously evolves over time as well. 

Right, Well, that is a good thing. Speaking of good things, let's get away from the bad thing and go to the good thing. 

Yeah, sure. 

Let's go to the land of the long white cloud. Kia ora, Mel. Kia ora. Do you know how to do that in New Zealand Sign Language? 

I don't know how to do any sign language. 

No, it's good thing it's an audio podcast. We won't be. 

I could have just pretended. Nobody would have known. 

Yeah, exactly. Oh, that's wonderful. Excellent. Good. Choice, bro. Well, this is a great news story. 

Yes. New Zealand Sign Language, NZSL, is officially recognised as a national language on the 6th of April 2006. It is passed into law and it joins English and Maori as the official languages. 

This was big for New Zealand. It was very progressive. They were. they're one of the first countries in the world to have their sign language officially recognised as a language. Australia, by comparison, don't have Auslan formally recognised, or they didn't at the time, I should say, didn't have Auslan, the Australian Sign Language, formally recognised in the same legal way. So very progressive from New Zealand. 

Well, it was one of, yeah, one of the first countries in the world to actually give it official status. And I mean, I didn't know this, but sign languages are not universal. They're all different. So there's New Zealand, there's Ausland. Just like any other language. ASL is another one which is closer to French Sign Language. 

So that's more, is that American Sign Language, ASL? 

I think so. Closer to French than British. 

Which is BSL. 

Yes. And. I've always wondered, and I know you've said too, that you're really keen to learn it. And I've always thought, yeah, I wouldn't mind, I wouldn't mind learning it. 

I'd love to be one of the translators during the press conferences and stuff. 

The power. Remember that one? Was that Australian when it was, was it during COVID or something? And then they pretended that they. 

And they weren't. No, and they were just taking the ****. 

Making it up. 

Yes, they were just interpreting it in their own special way. There was a fraudulent signer there. 

Yeah. 

For a significant amount of time. Which I think is a really big statement about accessibility and probably the world's view and the country's view on accessibility. And it's like, yeah, we're doing it, tick, you know? 

Yeah, and it's like validating or. 

That guy's just taking the ****. You're not actually doing it at all. But like, as long as you're happy that you've done something. 

It is very difficult to learn though. Yeah, we'll start. months is just to learn the basics. But to be fluent in sign language, it's years. 

Yeah, and there are a lot of discrepancies. I've worked with it a little bit in a production capacity with translations and things like that. And there's a lot of formed opinions. And there's, I don't think, I think obviously the language is what it is. So Auslan is Auslan. You know, New Zealand Sign Language is New Zealand Sign Language. ASL is ASL. And there are similarities between the two of them. But it's even down to the nuances between the individuals who are doing the signing as well, I think, which can create a little bit of friction. So you've got to make sure you've got it right. 

You do. One of the things that I've loved watching and we've seen it on the socials of recent times is they've introduced sign language to concerts now. 

Yes, which is exactly why I want to do it. 

It's become such a thing and Particularly the sign language at some of these more heavy, like hip hop or metal or where you've got some really emotive music happening and just they steal the show. I'm all eyes are on the person doing the sign language because it's just so intense. 

And remember there was one when we were at Metallica recently and it was just so cool. And it's like they were closer than the band were to us from the stage. And I spent a lot of time watching their performance. performance as opposed to actually Vitalika and found it very entertaining. There's another one if you Google it, there's a young girl who's doing American Sign Language on the side of stage for the band Lamb of God. And it's a performance in and of itself. It's just wonderful. And there is actually, I found a bit of a documentary online about a lady who was doing American Sign Language at metal concerts. 

There's not one specific hard of hearing person. So we have clients that range from those that that can, that do choose that want to sing along. There are some that can hear some of the, of what's being said. There are others that can't hear any of the lyrics, but can feel the vibrations so strongly, um, that, that they're, they can follow along perfectly. Whatever their experience is, we're able to provide everything else, like we're able to provide that little piece that they might be missing. 

And I just think that's fabulous because the little piece that's missing, obviously being the sound. And depending on their experience, like she's saying there, is just such a small part of a live concert experience. It's a massive, I shouldn't say it's a small part. The sound is obviously a massive part. But the vibration and the feeling from the sound, like sound doesn't just get experienced through your ears. In a concert, it gets experienced through your whole body. You know, so I love that. And I love that some of them can hear a bit and they just all take away a little bit that makes this more of a holistic experience for them. And I think that That is just so great. 

I also, look, I must say I do enjoy when they're doing sign language at a concert that has some lewd language. 

Oh, the profanity. 

I do enjoy the signed version of some of the profanity, particularly in hip hop. 

Oh yeah. 

My goodness. 

I was watching, I was watching someone side of stage for Cardi B and Megan Thee Stallion. 

Were they doing what? 

Yes, they were. And I don't even think, there's some, they're just, oh, and again, it actually takes, it takes it to a whole new level. It's wonderful. It's really great. And it looked good on you, New Zealand. You were one of the first to do it. 

New Zealand is incredible, aren't they? That's so proud. 

Very progressive. 

Yeah. 

Speaking of music. Over to the charts. 

Yes, let's start with US charts. 

OK. And I can't be without you, baby. 

And I'll be waiting up until you get home. Because I can't sleep without you, baby. You're beautiful. 

You're beautiful. You're beautiful. 

It's true. love songs, so sad and slow. So why can't I turn off the radio? 'Cause you had a bad day, you're taking one down. You sing a sad song just to turn it around. You say you don't know, you tell me don't lie. I got the right temperature to you from the storm. Hold on, girl, I got the right tactics to turn you on. And girl, That was too much. Don't do that. 

Sorry. I promise I'll do that again. 

Mary Jane, #5, be without you. You're beautiful. James Lott, #4, Neo, so sick, #3. 

So sick, mate. 

Daniel Powder. Number 2 bad day and Sean Paul temperature #1. I am very much aware we still haven't talked about bad day, but we're not going to talk about it till next week. 

Oh, really? 

I've decided next week because it's number one, just giving it away. And because then I can use it in the title of the show. And that's good apparently. 

Is it good for the SEO? 

No, it's not about SEO anymore. It's about AEO, Answer Engine Optimization. What's that? 

The AI's. 

The AI's. 

The AI's everything. 

Really enjoy it when we name the show after either a big a TV show, a musical, like a song, or an artist. That's when the AEOs find it. And it's also good for search within the Apple Podcast algorithm, apparently. They're getting into the algos. 

Because the AEOs don't have ears, so they don't listen. They just, they scrape. 

They scrape. 

Yeah. I mean, that just sounds. 

It sounds gross. That makes me think of a dog with worms just tobogganing or something. 

Horrible little scraping along, blossom feeding creatures just trawling. 

I do not agree with him for when you guys take over the world. I love you. Thanks. 

Yeah, just go scrape somewhere else. 

So we'll talk about, we'll talk about Daniel next week. That will suit us. 

That will suit us better. 

Yes. 

Okay. 

Oh, new number one here in Australia. 

Forever, forever. Youth group. See, that's, it's not going to age well. 

Sounds very churchy. 

It's just not going to age well, that title, like Forever Young. Oh, for starters, I can't believe that song is 20 years old. It feels like only yesterday that came out. 

But it is an old song. 

Is it? 

Yeah, that's a, that's a remake. 

It's a remake, is it? Oh, yeah. 

That was an old song. And then I think, remember Scooter? Speaking of scooting. 

Oh yeah, well that was we're scraping and now we're scooting. 

Now we're scooting. Remember Scooter who did the logical song as you'd like a techno high pitched? Yeah, the Scooter was like a DJ. 

I remember Super Tramp doing the logical song. 

Yeah, I know, but then Scooter did it like a dance one. And it did a really high pitch. It was like, Like that? 

So now we're one for one for things that we shouldn't do again. But I thought... 

But I think Scooter did Forever Young like that as well. So I think this is the third time Forever Young's been done is what I'm trying to say. 

Now the Scooter I know is the assistant from the Muppets. 

No, Scooter was a DJ. 

Right. 

And he did these really high pitched... 

Did he tell Kermit about his side hustle? I don't know that he'd appreciate it. 

Where have you played at Mooseheads? 

Moonlighting as a DJ when you played at Mooseheads. 

On the Thursday night when you bought the jugs of beer. It was like 90s, late 90s. 

It was a special guest for the Muppet Show. 

So anyway, that was the youth group version. That sounded really slow and boring, didn't it? 

Did a little bit. 

Felt a bit. 

But it was not slow enough to hit number one on the ARIA charts. 

We loved it. We loved it, though, because it was actually featured on the OC, the TV show. 

Was it? So we're all like, oh, Aussie band makes good overseas. 

Look at them. They got some character on the Misha Barton show. 

Oh, the Misha Barton show. 

That's grouse. 

Misha. And then all these Australian babies were born, you know, and there was a few Mishes in there. Mishes. 

Come across a few, actually. 

Yeah, but they might have spelled them a little. little bit different. So it's like spelt M-E-S-H-A-R, Misha. 

And a J, silent J. Oh really? 

Yeah, I don't know. I think their parents might have had a silent J when they were thinking of the name. 

It's known for its stripped back emotional indie sound, which is why it featured on the OC. I think it was like in a sad moment. It was a time when we started to see these indie covers of songs coming out. 

Even the term indie, it's mainstream. It's not indie. That's mainstream. It's #1 on the ARIA charts. You can't get much more mainstream than that. There's nothing indie about it. 

Over in the UK, Neo was number one with So Sick. 

Oh, yep. 

But we had a big album release on the 4th of April, 2006, The Charm, which is the third studio album by hip-hop recording artist Bubba Sparks from Georgia, featuring this song. 

Booty, booty, booty, booty, booty. I. 

Love that song. I don't think I'm, I probably shouldn't love that song, but I love that song. 

I found you, Miss New Booty. 

I do my sprints at the gym on the treadmill to that. 

That's all right. I was just trying to build one. Just as a bit of an aside, I was doing bicep curls at the gym the other day, and Big Guns by Skid Row came on. 

It's pointed at my heart. Whatever. 

Bang, bang, shoot him like a firing squad. 

Whatever gets you motivated. But Miss New Booty is actually really good to do like, you know, 14 kilometer an hour sprints. We do like 20 seconds on, jump off to the side, 20 seconds on. 

Yeah, right. It's great. Do you run when it says booyah booyah booyah rocking everywhere? That bit. 

And the bit with the Ying Yang twins, the whisper in it. 

Oh, those crazy Ying Yang twins. 

They were so wacky. They loved to whisper. They whisper a lot in the song. 

Yeah. I found you. 

No, not then. They whispered. No, they whispered their verse. I don't know what they actually say because whispers be quiet. 

Oh, okay. Yeah. 

So obviously a massive club anthem, charted globally, huge in the clubs. He's a southern rapper, so we were starting to see a lot of southern rappers. Yeah. Luda. 

Yeah. 

And Nella. 

Yeah, Bubba Sparks. I mean, in a name like Bubba Sparks, it's a very southern name. And he likes he likes butts. He's into the butts stuff. 

It's and I guess in hindsight with the 2026 lens over the top of it. I don't know if it would fly today. The video clip is all about a woman who got a new booty. 

Yeah. 

And I don't know if it was a fake booty or if she'd done some Jane Fonda. I'm not too sure how she acquired the booty. But there was a game show and there was a lot of, a lot of butts. 

Yeah, that's what the setup was. It was the whole. 

**** heavy visuals. 

Yes, and they were all shaking it. They were going from being very conservative to gyrating. 

Yes. 

Like there was no tomorrow. 

Yes. 

That is interesting. I would be more interested. This is one of those songs that I'd love to see signed. Yes. Especially the, especially like the, you'll pull something. 

You'd want to do your stretches first and more up sufficiently, wouldn't you? Yeah, it's quite dangerous. 

In carpal tunnel or something. Screaming your hands off. 

Interesting though, we are back to, maybe we'll have a resurgence because we do like booties again, because there was a while where we didn't. We didn't want to have a big bust. 

Is it really? Booties are back in right now. 

Booties are back in with the Brazilian **** lift thing. 

Really. 

The Kardashians, they got big booties. 

I can't keep up with any of this stuff. 

Everyone's doing the RDLs and the Bulgarian split squats and all of that to build the booty. There's even a gym piece of equipment called the booty builder for goodness sake. 

I watched that manosphere thing the other day. I'm out. You can't say anything. I don't want to say anything about booties or anything else that involves looking at things that might be nice. 

Baba, Baba Spice kind of disappeared. I don't think we've heard. 

You're about to break into song, then you're like, Baba. Sorry, what? Are you? 

No, just faded. 

What's their fanfare? 

He took his booty. 

And I was telling him to be a trumpet. Oh, you don't want to be a trumpet with Miss New Booty. Let me tell. 

The song he obviously still lives on in nostalgia playlists. That repetitive hook, we all love it. We know what song it is from the 1st 2 seconds of it. 

I know. 

But yeah, I don't know. if that's something that would fly today if it was to be released. Do we sing about booties anymore? 

Just the story of a one man from the South's fascination with another woman's blurter. 

But booties are back in as well. I just remembered. Have you seen the leggings these days? They've got built-in booties. 

So we need to, we need to roll it back. We need to reverse that, little stimulus. 

To see down, flip it and reverse it. It's here if it's never, never. 

Yeah, okay, cool. 

It is a thing, 'cause I, yeah, if you... I've seen the leg. I accidentally bought a pair of things where the scrunch bum. 

Yes. 

And I don't look, it's fine. If people want to wear scrunch bum, that's fine. It's just not for me. It's not for me. So when I was looking for a pair of shorts, I was like, no scrunch bum. And I accidentally bought invisible scrunch bum, which is a scrunch bum. adjacent kind of. 

Well, it's yes, it's not invisible because there's still a scrunch. You can't, it's either scrunch or you don't scrunch. 

It just feels like you've got like lift and separation. It just, I don't know, it just doesn't feel, no, I just feel like I'm naked. I feel like I'm just chucking a spread. 

I feel like girls are walking around with butts that look like the goodies that you'd find in a Chinese steamer basket when they've got that scrunch in the middle. They look like little pork buns. 

Some of them have padding as well, that kind of lift and... Shape and crazy. Crazy what leggings can do these days. I can't believe what they've done with leggings. 

I can't believe what they've done with leggings either. I don't even, they're not leggings anymore. They're more like buttings. 

Yes, anyway, okay. 

Yes. All right, box office. Please, there was a movie. Oh, it's one for kids as well. Big movie, yes. Okay, change your face. Absolutely. Don't be doing this, Miss New Boot. Don't be showing your kids that stuff. 

No, Show them this instead. 

This spring, the five-day outlook is calling for intense flooding, followed by the end of the world! Diego, retract the claws, please. 

Oh, right. Sorry. The Ice Age is coming to an end. Everything is melting. 

All right, let's move out. 

What? But the biggest adventure in history is just beginning. Fire. 

I believe I can fly. 

I just heard you're going extinct. I'm not going extinct. Look, the last mammoth. 

Whoa. 

From 20th Century Fox and Blue Sky Studios. You might be the only two mammoths left on Earth. 

Woohoo! Do you realize that now we have a chance to save our species? 

You're hitting on me. 

You're very pretty. 

Oh, I got some news for you. 

You're not saving a species tonight or any other night. 

Ice Age 2, the meltdown. 

We're going to live. 

We're going to die. Yeah, the Ice Age movies. They did so well with the first one they had to make a second one, which is this one, which is Ice Age II: The Meltdown sequel to Ice Age from 2002, released globally, directed by Carlos Saldana. $80 million budget. I think the box office worldwide is about $650 million for this. Ray Romano, John Leguizamo, Dennis Leary, Queen Latifah, big commercial success. Remember the merchandise? 

Big voice actors too. 

Merchandise everywhere. Ice Age, you go into the movies, Ice Age Happy Meals, you go to the movies, you've got Ice Corn, Ice Age popcorn, Popcorn buckets. 

I remember I worked on the kids' show at the time and we went, I think we filmed something in the movie theatre with a cutout from Ice Age and we gave away all the paraphernalia. 

Spared no expense. 

Lots of things, yes, toys and games. 

Yeah, Scrat was the squirrel. Remember the squirrel? Scrat, that was the one that everyone was excited about. 

Was he in the first one as well? He came back. 

He was the one that was chasing the nut. The nut. 

Yeah. Was he chasing the nut in the second one? 

I don't think he's always chasing the nut. It's chasing the nut all over the place. Ray Romano was of course the mammoth and Dennis Leary was like the saber-toothed tiger. And then I think was Queen Latifah another mammoth? I can't remember. I don't know. I can't remember. You know, it was a family film and we didn't have a family at this stage. So it wasn't like we were going to go and see it. Lots more sequels though. It just keeps going and going and going. And look, by comparison, here we go. Back into the Price is Right stuff. Ice Age 1, $383 million worldwide. I've already told you how much Ice Age 2 made as a 600, so there's no point playing that game, is there? Should have read ahead. Anyway, but it doubled, made double the original. 

It did, it did. And the merchandising was way more off the charts for #2. But I think #1 had the bigger cultural impact, the characters. 

Right. 

You know, it introduced the characters. It was fresh, it was something a little bit different at the time. So really, Probably #2 was riding on the success of #1, and they just put more merchandise behind it, I reckon. 

Yeah, and I think it's like as soon as you know, it's good for the kids. 

You know what you're getting. It feels safe. 

Well, they liked it last time. Jesus Christ, get him out of the house and get him over there and get him watching that so that they can stop. 

Yeah, it's probably, you know, we're getting close to school holidays. Yes, more spectacle, more characters, more chaos. I think as well, the The animation was a bit better second time around. 

Really, the CGI? 

Well, the tech had improved. 

A couple of years' time. Yeah, there was about, what was it, four years in between? 

Brighter colours. 

You know how fast technology moves. 

Bigger screens, more surround sound, all that stuff. 

Let's do it again with more pixels this time. Sure. Let's go over to TV. Let's reduce the amount of pixels to about 1080. 

Okay. 

1080, 720 by 1080. I think that was high definition and you'd have to be fairly well to do back in 2006 to have a HD flat screen TV. I would suggest, although they were gradually coming down in price. 

Well, I remember when you bought one, but it was a big deal. 

Quite a few years later. 

And we just watched the test. We watched the HD test channel for about 3 days. 

Because it was so visceral. Haven't watched anything else. 

Look at that creek. Look at that flying in the sky. 

You can actually see their little feet. 

I can remember it very, very well. 

We watched it all. Yes, every time I close my eyes and go back there. So anyway, so we go to the small screen. 

Yes. 

Go to the small screen. 

I don't know if this was in high death. This is not the H1. 

I don't think I'd want to see this in high death. Just quietly. 

The premiere of So Notorious on the 2nd of April 2006. So what if she was in a hit 90s show? 

Miss Natuano's got herself an appetite. So what if she has had plastic surgery? Damn, girl, look at those *******. They get bigger every week. So what if she has A-list neighbours? Charlie Sheen, Suge Knight, Farrah Fawcett right next to her. I like having people around me. And so what she can't get a guy. I wouldn't even touched by Pete Donuts. I wonder I ever lost my vagina. She's still Tori Spelling and she's still so notorious. Coming soon, exclusive to Trouble. Was this a swing and a miss, this show? It was the first of its kind in that Tori Spelling was doing a parody slash comedy reality show that was loosely based on her real life. So she would take a little real events from her life. The cameras would come in and it was, well, it was one camera. It was just one camera and there were actors in there playing her friends and whatnot. And she was dramatizing things that were happening in her life. 

But she was kind of taking the **** out of herself because the big thing back in the 90210 days, it was all that Nepo stuff because obviously she is the daughter of Aaron. 

Aaron Spelling, the biggest producer on the planet. 

Well, he produced the show. And so everybody, everybody's view was she's only on it because it's Daddy's show. She can't act. She's so crap. She's had plastic surgery, spoiled rich kids. So she's just basically taking the **** out of herself. 

She was quite self-aware. 

You know how your dad is producing a new nighttime soap? You want me to get you an audition? Oh, you were so awesome. 

I love you. 

Oh, now you love my dad. But thanks for the Brunos. No. 

Yeah, see, so she's very self-aware. She knew what it was all about now. I quite like her. She did it with her tongue firmly planted. I do wonder in hindsight if it was more of a defence mechanism because she didn't appreciate. You know how, like, if people pick on you? 

You do it yourself first. 

If yourself depreciating first, then they tend to leave you alone. It's crazy. 

Maybe. 

It's a technique that's a bit sad. 

I don't know, because I jumped on the bandwagon of she only got the job because of her dad back in the 90210 days. And then I felt bad when I didn't watch much of it. I watched a little bit of it. She's actually all right. I ate my words and. 

Nice enough person. I guess. I don't know that this show lasted for that long. I mean, she had one season. Zach Braff was on there. Will Sasso was on there. The guy that played Darth? 

Who's Will Sasso? 

He's an actor. 

You don't know. Zachary Quinto. 

I know Zachary Quinto. He was in it. He played Spock in Star Trek. 

Zach Braff was from Scrubs. 

Scrubs, yes. And Will Sasso was annoying, wasn't it? 

I didn't like that show. 

Stop saying Will Saffo. Zachary Quinto. 

Who is Will Sasso? 

I don't know. Stop it. Anyway, she went on to do more reality after that, is what I'm saying. Oh, with the last season of that, and that was Tory and Dean and Love or whatever. And then, I don't know, and then further on, I think there's a 902 on O reunion on the horizon. 

Yeah, we watched that. Remember that? was sad. 

Yeah. It was sad. 

Sad because what's his name had died. 

Part of them are dead now. 

Yeah. 

On 90210, that's how you know you're getting older. I mean, we live in a world without half the cast of 90210. We live in a world with, we live in a world without Chuck Norris. And you know, I mean, I'm really bummed out now. And Tori Spelling is still around. 

Oh, don't say that. 

I don't mean that. I actually think she's. 

She was ahead of her time, though. This is pre-Kardashian era. So she's kind of paving the way for that. Celeb reality. 

If she's, I don't want to, I don't, see, I don't want to know her as someone who's paved the way for the Kardashians, because that doesn't make me like her anymore. I just think, you know, she was, she was a nepo baby who was very self-aware, who was first to the punch as far as anyone taking the **** out of her. And she, I think she was trying to protect her brand a little bit in doing so. And I mean, I don't, did you think the show was funny? 

I watched a little bit of it. I didn't mind it because it just put her in a different light, which, because you always thought she was like a snotty, rich, brat kid. And just seeing a kind of taking the **** out of herself was a little refreshing. 

I tell you why. I would take a million episodes of So Notorious over any of the bullsh*t that's got these influences in it today. That was over on VH1, that show. What about over on MTV? His mama so fat, she can hear bacon cooking in Canada. Yo mama so old, her memory in black and white. Did you come to say yo mama jokes or tap dance? Yo mama so stupid, she tripped over a cordless phone. Yo mama look like Cedric the Entertainer with a wig. You look like Kanye East. I think that last one might have been a little bit racist somehow. The show Yo Mama. Do you remember this show on MTV? Yo Mama. 

Yes, premieres on the 3rd of April. Yo Mama jokes with a studio audience in prime time. Bullying gets a studio audience and a theme song, basically. 

Yeah, that's right. Bullying gets a studio. We'll turn that into a show. Yeah, why not? 

Why not? Everything else is a show. 

You do realize that the name of the channel is Music Television, don't you? Oh no, we're going to do a show called Yo Mama. And we're going to throw a bunch of Yo Mama jokes. 

It was a comedy game show hosted by Wilma Valderrama from, we'll see, that 70s. 

From that 70s show, yes. 

Based on, obviously, the Yo Mama roasting jokes. Contestants competed in insult battles and judges in the crowd, the live studio audience, decided who the winners were. 

That's the biggest cut downs, yeah. 

And for two seasons, went longer than it was so notorious. 

I remember seeing it on the cable TV. It was, I don't know that it was popular, but it was there. Because that's the thing with cable TV. You don't know if it's popular or not. It's just a constant barrage of MTV reality shows. 

The same shows because it was 24-7. They just play the same shows over and over again. 

Like you'd be watching Yo Mama in the morning and you'd be like, that's the same episode this afternoon. 

Yeah, I've heard that joke. 

Have I been sitting here in front of this garbage for that long? Yes, and the answer is you have. It was a horrible show. horrible show. 

This is the time when we have things like though Pimp My Ride, Punk'd. 

Pimp My Ride was good. Punk'd was okay. 

Room Raiders. 

Next was terrible. Room Raiders was just dating shows. 

Yeah. 

And I think too, it's like I think back to the interview with Courtney as well. It was that peak kind of MTV generation. Like a lot of them, they're interchangeable people. They could have been on the ***** **** **** bus. They could have been on Your Mama. They could have been on Room Raiders. They could have been on one of those shows. Yeah, Very generic. 

I wonder if it could exist today. 

No, I don't think so. I don't think, I mean, you know, there's still, when you look at stuff, I don't want to go into the manosphere. I really don't want to go into the manosphere. I don't like it there. It's a scary place. But you look at things like MMA competitions, where it's like they have the hype, or the Jake Paul boxing matches, like where they basically, for the, I don't know, six weeks leading up to the fight, they just hold all these press conferences, which is really just a really ****** episode of Yo Mama. A bunch of people have been punched in the head too many times, so they can't form a sentence, let alone establish any kind of wit to actively insult each other correctly. Yeah, so that's what I liken it to. I guess that's what it's devolved into these days. 

And I guess to. for MTV, it would have been cheap. It wouldn't have cost a lot of money to produce. So I think that's why you did see a lot of this stuff where you're like, that's actually a TV show? Because what would that cost? The studio audience would do it for free. You'd just have to get a few people to turn up into a studio and insult each other. 

And sign a bunch of waivers. The biggest cost would be printing out the paper to sign the waivers. That would be it. 

Something a little more highbrow and fun over here. Well, I don't know if it was more highbrow, but a bit of fun over here in Australia on the 5th of April. Thank God You're Here premieres. 

Each week we ask four of Australia's top performers to step. 

Up to the plate and take the Thank God You're Here challenge. We have four of them tonight, very special performers who are prepared to step into a costume they've never seen, walk through a door into an unscripted battlefield that is Thank God You're Here. 

The scarf, it gives you a little bit of a Where's Wally look. 

I mean, it's been going on for 20 years. 

Oh, has it really? Oh, I'm sorry. 

You've just found me. 

There's the door. There's the door. There's the door. There's the door. There's the door. Through you go. 

Good luck, mate. Thank God you're here. Thank God you're here. Thank God you're here. 

Thank God you're here. Thank God you're here. Thank God you're here. 

Thank God you're here. 

So remember, what is the most important thing you have to do today? 

Oh, plead not guilty. 

It was a good show. Improv comedy. I mean, much in the vein of Yo Mama, but with people who have actually affected the craft of comedy. by being comedians. 

Timing, timing. 

Not just some randos that have signed waivers. Although maybe, I don't know, some of the jokes from back then probably wouldn't stand up now either. 

That's true. 

Having said that, the premise was great. It's just comedians entering a scene blind and having to improvise and the opening line for every single scenario that they walk into is, thank God you're here, and then away they go. 

No script, no warning, just vibes. Off you go. 

Yeah, and some really great comedians, great Australian comedians in there, Hamish Blake, Andy Lee. 

I feel like that's where they started to get their momentum. 

Yeah, because they were on radio for a while. 

They were, but I think it's kind of happened at the same time and really sort of boosted their profile in the early 2000s. 

Sean McAliffe was on there. He's Glenn Robbins. I mean. 

Oh, Glenn Robbins. 

You heard Tony Martin in there. Tony Martin with the Where's Wally joke. Hosted by Shane Bourne from the Great Aussie Joke fame on Mayo Saturday. It was a really good show. Really good show. Is it still going? 

No, I don't think. 

They brought it back, I believe. 

They did for a little bit, I think, a few years later. But they had, and it was also the set and there was costumes and things as well. So they could just improvise with all of these different elements, which was really cool. And I think we ended up exporting it internationally. I think it became quite big overseas as well. 

Yeah, I love all that theatre sports stuff. I love that like whose line is it anyway? Thank God you're here. Anything that we're a community. 

Acting for adults, remember when we did that? You were good at the improv session that we did that night. 

I had fun with that. 

I wasn't good at that. I didn't like that. 

I didn't like my jokes. 

Well, I do remember there was a lady, the lady, oh, she was my partner. The lady that had the, she actually had a ******. 

Yes, that's right. 

She was quite eccentric. She was lovely. She was my acting partner. And she was in a circle and she was bent over and you had to bend over behind her and you made some comment about a tapeworm. 

Yes, that's right. 

I think she laughed, but the rest of the class. 

No, I kind of grossed him out. I was like, I mean, I was going to break into. I didn't think that was a good idea. 

You were very good though. I think you would be great on a show like that. 

Yes, but I'm, you know, these community-based theatre things. I mean, if you were gonna, never in my life would I have thought I would have met anyone, let alone had a conversation with someone who had owned up to owning a pubic wig. 

She also had a light up tail. Her husband had made her a tail that lightened up. We didn't spend a lot of time rehearsing our lines. We talked about all the things. 

Really. 

Yes. 

Because she was your partner. 

She was my partner for my scene. She was great. And then remember when we had to make our own characters, and then they partnered us off with other people in their character, and we had to go to the pub and have a beer in character. Do you remember that? 

Yes. 

And my partner tried to make me do karaoke. Remember I had that guy, that guy that was a bit eccentric. 

Yes, and I was getting a bit defensive as well. 

And he tried to, but he was like, well, Your character would do karaoke. It's very awkward. 

And I'm like, my character is about to kick your ***. You need to keep my wife's name out your mouth. 

And then you ended up in a senior citizens film group. 

I did. These are the scenarios that you push me into. 

It's going to step outside your comfort zone. 

My whole life is an episode of Thank God You're Here. It really is. I can't believe all the stupid **** you've made me do. Oh, you loved it. You loved it. Cleaning this podcast, I guess. I'm having a good time at least. Oh, great. It's the Hatches Batches segment. Yes, well, I mean, why wouldn't I be having a good time when I get to lay down these amazing tracks like this? From someone who is just an absolute virtuoso on the recorder. And the herald of the hatches, matches and dispatches clue. This week is a divorce though. It's like a dispatch of a match. A dispatch of a match. 

A match dispatch. 

A match dispatched. Oh gosh. And the person that was 1/2 of the dispatched said this. 

I mean, we could, I guess we could talk to each other about anything. I guess that was a big thing in a relationship, but I don't know. if he was a good husband or not, really. He's the only husband I've been with, so I can't compare him to anybody else. 

If you said Kim Mathers, you would be correct. Who is Kim Mathers? Well, she's the other half of 1 Marshall Mathers, AKA Eminem. 

Yes, and he files for divorce from Kim. Didn't they get married in January? They got married. Well, they were married twice. They got married in 1999. 

Yes, but they got remarried. 

Then they got divorced in January 2006. And they got remarried this year, as in this year 2006. And that didn't look like it last very long. She probably listened to one of the albums where he was talking about it and went, oh, that's very nice. 

Is that what you say about me to all your friends? 

That's a bit, it's a bit much. She obviously, a central figure in many of his songs. 

Yes. 

Referenced heavily. There was even a track called Kim. 

I'm just wondering if she's like some kind of anti-muse. I don't know. Well, not an anti-muse. I think she's a muse. I mean, there's a lot of vitriol towards Kim in a lot of his early albums. 

And he did get a lot of... There was a lot of controversy around the song Kim because he's basically in a full-on fight, assault kind of situation. 

It's a domestic. They're having a domestic. 

In the song. 

Let's be real. 

And he refers to, I think she's referred to in many songs where he talks about doing horrible things to her. But is he, is it just part of the character, the theatrics of the character? Marshall Mather's character? I'm not sure. 

Well, I mean, she was being interviewed there in that little sound bite and talking about, you know, how she didn't think maybe he was a good husband. But it wasn't all doom and gloom. Like she'd actually, as far as being a parent, glowing reviews from Kim. 

What kind of a dad is he? He's an excellent father. He loves the kids very much. Whenever there's anything a field trip or anything that has to do with school or any of the activities that she's involved in, he's always right there with her. If there's anything that, if she's upset about something or needs to talk or just needs to be comforted, he's always lending a helping hand. You know, he always wants to be there for her. He's always asking her, you know, trying to stay involved in her life, you know, how she's feeling, how is her day, what's, you know, going on. He's just always, always there for her. 

Well, there you go. 

So I mean, even now though, he is such a proud dad. 

Well, he seems to be. He just doesn't say very nice things about his ex-wife in his music. And I don't know that that's okay. Is that okay? I don't think that's okay. 

I don't know, but I think that was part of his whole persona though. He said a lot of, he said a lot of horrible things about a lot of people. Let's face it, wasn't just Kim. 

I mean, it's storytelling, isn't it? He's telling a story through a character. And I'm certainly, when I say it's not okay, I mean, you know, it's art, I guess. 

It's tricky with the Kim stuff though, because it is, It is violent. 

Yes. 

And when you... 

And it's violent towards a woman. 

It's domestic violence, assault. And I think that's part of the shock value, but that is a lot of what he did in the early 2000s. 

I mean, you know, it's like... a hammer smashed face by Cannibal Corpse. They don't, they're not really going to smash anyone in the face with a hammer. It's just a really shocking and potentially good violent lyric that makes people go, oh. And I think it's the same deal, right? Like, we're, you gotta remember, we're coming off the back of like 2006, you know, Marilyn Manson's been a thing. Eminem is still a massive thing. There's a lot of stuff going around where we were trying to really push things See how far it could go. 

And when you listen to, so D12, obviously, Dirty Dozen, the band that's associated with him, when you listen to their stuff, that gets even more extreme. 

Yeah. 

And I think after that, we stopped hearing, yeah, it kind of settled down. I think we reached that peak shock value. And then? 

We all had a bit of a giggle about it. I mean, I think smart people have a giggle about it. And then I think stupid people take it a bit too seriously. 

I don't know that it would fly today, though. I don't think it would. What we're currently seeing in terms of domestic violence, it's just, no. 

You know better, so you do better. 

Not okay. 

Maybe. Yeah, well, obviously Kim wasn't a fan of the lyrics because they did get divorced this time, or they will actually know. He filed for divorce. 

He filed for divorce. So they finalised as did late 2006, but they remain on and off in contact, obviously co-parenting. So they're still amicable. 

Well, they talk about his relationships being played out in public in the song lyrics, and I actually don't think that's the case at all. I think that is an entire, a work of fiction. 

Yes. 

So congratulations on the separation. 

Yeah, I guess. 

I don't even know where you go from that when you get to the end of the show. Like normally it's a birthday or even a death, you can kind of be like condolences. I don't know what happens with that. I don't know where we go from there. 

Good luck co-parenting. 

Excellent. I think they did a pretty good job. Their kids have turned out okay, which is great. That's the end of the show. I hope you've turned out okay by the end of this one too. And if you have, you know, drop a subscribe, tell your friends, come and find us on the socials, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, search for T-minus 20 podcast, and you know, we'll have some stuff for you next week. 

Come and listen next week, because it'll have a bad day in the title, because it's good for the ants, engine optimisation, the AIs, the GPTs and the podcast discoverability. So we'll no doubt talk about that. So. Okay. I'm trying to think what else we might talk about. Not sure. I don't think there was a lot going on. There's a book that's been released. It's not a bestseller, but it's quite a quirky book. I think we're going to talk about that. And yeah, that's all I got for now. 

Really. 

Yeah. 

All right. Well, we'll see you next time. 

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