Real Talk: Midlife By Design

Ep. 28 | Guiding You from Stuck to Unstoppable with Naomi Levine

February 15, 2022 Ericka, Curator of Zest / Naomi Levine Season 2 Episode 28
Real Talk: Midlife By Design
Ep. 28 | Guiding You from Stuck to Unstoppable with Naomi Levine
Show Notes Transcript

Question. If you're being honest with self, would you say that you've lost your inner sparkle, the insight, perspective, energy, and gumption that helps you take on your life with a sense of purpose, excitement, and zest?

It's normal to feel like your sparkle has faded in midlife, and it's more than possible to reignite it as well, or as today's guest has coined sparkle as, slay and shine. She's going to teach some new ways to unify our mind, body, and soul so we can show up unapologetically as our true selves.

Naomi is an energy and empowerment transformation coach whose mission is to guide ambitious women like you from stuck to unstoppable and into alignment using potent and powerful techniques, plus the wisdom of the chakra system so you can shift your mindset and identity, slay fears and limiting beliefs, and shine with confidence and clarity.

As a master practitioner of NLP, EFT, and TIME techniques, hypnotherapy, and integrative alchemy, Naomi supports women who are ready to show up as the best versions of themselves in their bodies and their careers and their relationships and create their dream lives that feel aligned AF and bring them joy and abundance.


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Ericka (00:07):

Midlife. What does it mean to you? I believe that midlife is a place to recognize, reprioritize, and redefine your purpose. It's a place of new beginnings, new personal growth, and new adventures. Midlife is a chance to release your outdated labels and begin designing your second life journey. How? With heart-centered experts, tangible tools, and a supportive community. Why? Because if not now, then when? Now, that's real talk. I'm Ericka, your host and curator of zest. Let's begin building your midlife by design together.

Ericka (00:42):

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Ericka (01:09):

Naomi is an energy and empowerment transformation coach whose mission is to guide ambitious women like you from stuck to unstoppable and into alignment using potent and powerful techniques, plus the wisdom of the chakra system so you can shift your mindset and identity, slay fears and limiting beliefs, and shine with confidence and clarity. As a master practitioner of NLP, EFT, and TIME techniques, hypnotherapy, and integrative alchemy, Naomi supports women who are ready to show up as the best versions of themselves in their bodies and their careers and their relationships and create their dream lives that feel aligned AF and bring them joy and abundance.

Ericka (01:51):

Naomi is committed to helping women get their sparkle and groove back, embrace their inner badass, and thrive in healthy, mindful ways. Age combines her love of Zen, woo, and wellness with her innate sassy glow-getterness and empowers others to do the same. Her goal is to help you unleash your own badass goddess using a specialized blend of proven systems and magical theory and rituals.

Ericka (02:19):

Question. If you're being honest with self, would you say that you've lost your inner sparkle, the insight, perspective, energy, and gumption that helps you take on your life with a sense of purpose, excitement, and zest? It's normal to feel like your sparkle has faded in midlife, and it's more than possible to reignite it as well, or as today's guest has coined sparkle as, slay and shine. She's going to teach some new ways to unify our mind, body, and soul so we can show up unapologetically as our true selves. Naomi, welcome to Midlife by Design.

Naomi (02:55):

All right. Thanks for having me. I'm so excited.

Ericka (02:57):

Well, I'm excited to be here, and you are my first guest that I'm actually interviewing in Charlotte.

Naomi (03:03):


Ericka (03:03):

I happen to be in a hotel room, so anything could happen. But I think we're set up the best we can. But if we hear city sounds, just know everyone's safe, and Charlotte is just doing its thing, right?

Naomi (03:16):

Amazing. You'll roll with it.

Ericka (03:17):

Yeah. I'm excited about it. So I want to go ahead and jump in, Naomi, and I think the heart center purpose is a good place to begin, because it lets people connect to your story.

Naomi (03:27):


Ericka (03:27):

So please tell us more about your journey to awakening self and how it helps you evolve into the person you are today.

Naomi (03:34):

Yeah. I love this question, and I love the way you phrase it. My journey really started with health and wellness about three and a half years ago, and I was in a place where my nine to five career was not giving me any zest or any life. I didn't love where I was at in my body, and I was also realizing that, all of that combined, I didn't love how I was showing up in relationships. I felt like I was not being the best daughter, the best friend, all of these things. So in my journey of health and wellness, I started diving more into personal development and really recognizing the power of mindset in the mind-body connection.

Naomi (04:22):

Through that, I hired my first coach, and working with her on mindset and personal development got me to the place where I was able to recognize that my nine to five was no longer aligned. The people I was working with and for and the mission of my role were not right anymore. So I decided to take the leap and leave my nine to five with very little idea of what I was doing next, which was absolutely terrifying, but really excited, that nerve-cited. I always tell my clients if it's a mix of nervous and excited, the nerve-cited, that's a good sign.

Ericka (05:08):

I like that.

Naomi (05:09):

Yeah. So that's where I was at when I made the leap, and yeah.

Ericka (05:15):

I like that leap, and listening to you, it sounds like relationships was part of your motivation to take the leap. Is that a fair statement?

Naomi (05:24):

I would say that was definitely a contributing factor. I remember one day saying to myself and even then saying to my best friend and my mom, "All I'm doing is complaining and ranting and venting when I talk to you." That makes it one-sided. That is just stripping the conversation and relationship of the joy that it should have.

Ericka (05:49):

I love that.

Naomi (05:50):


Ericka (05:51):

I mean, that's a powerful motivation, because I think oftentimes we can get stuck there, and sometimes our relationships, our lack of relationships can be an impetus to do things.

Naomi (06:01):


Ericka (06:01):

So once you made that leap, Naomi, and was kind of free of the nine to five and, as you say, free of the ranting, how did you feel, and do you find that your relationships supported you in this change that you took for yourself?

Naomi (06:15):

Yeah, it was actually really pretty incredible. I have a really close relationship with my mother. She's one of my best friends, and I'm an only child. So she sees everything that I do, right?

Ericka (06:27):

I love that. Yes.

Naomi (06:30):

She said to me and then I heard her telling other people that she could tell instantly from the day I gave my notice and my first day as a "free woman" that she could tell that I instantly was happier.

Ericka (06:46):


Naomi (06:47):

So her support and my friends and even some of my former coworkers were like, "Yes, this is so much more aligned," and when I said yes to my first certification, it was like this aha of, "Here are the like-minded people, and here is a group of soul sisters to support me as I learn and grow and develop my business." There was never any question or hesitation or considering looking back.

Ericka (07:19):

Yeah. I love that. So sometimes that leap can be so scary.

Naomi (07:22):

Oh, yeah.

Ericka (07:23):

But if we're leaping away from struggle and unhappiness and feeling trapped in ourselves, that leap is worthwhile, and so much opens up on the other side.

Naomi (07:30):


Ericka (07:30):

So I think that's motivational for people to hear that, so thank you for sharing that honesty.

Naomi (07:35):

Of course.

Ericka (07:36):

As a fellow mom, yay, mama.

Naomi (07:38):

Yeah, I knew you'd appreciate that.

Ericka (07:40):

No, I love that. So you mentioned that part of your transition was mindset.

Naomi (07:45):


Ericka (07:45):

So what I keep hearing over and over again, that mindset truly seems to be the cornerstone of life shifts and meaningful change. So you did that for yourself. Can you tell us what some of those were and then also now how you're helping your clients shift in their mindset as well?

Naomi (08:02):

Yeah. The biggest piece and kind of a fun way to explain this, I think, is not something that I necessarily was hyper-aware of at the time, but looking back, I know to be so true. It's this concept. You can often hear people refer to it as TFAR, T-F-A-R.

Ericka (08:20):


Naomi (08:21):

This is the same concept of the top-down approach.

Ericka (08:24):


Naomi (08:25):

So working from the mind into the body, which is aligned with the chakras, which we'll get to.

Ericka (08:30):


Naomi (08:30):

But essentially that your thoughts dictate your feelings, your feelings dictate your actions, and your actions dictate your results.

Ericka (08:43):

Hmm. Okay.

Naomi (08:44):

So if you can start at the beginning with your thoughts, with your mindset, with your beliefs and values, that is the key to unlocking the ultimate outcome, the ultimate results that you desire.

Ericka (08:59):

So when I'm listening to you, and that makes total sense, right? I imagine listeners are like, "Uh-huh (affirmative), uh-huh (affirmative)." But then what do you do when we come up against those thoughts that are so ingrained that we believe ourselves to be, as Anthony Trucks refers to it as your identity walls?

Naomi (09:16):


Ericka (09:16):

That translates to resistance and we're stuck. How do you help your clients move through those thoughts that are so much a part of their identity that they can't fathom doing or being anything different?

Naomi (09:28):

Yeah, and this is where some of these really powerful and potent modalities that I'm certified in come into play.

Ericka (09:35):


Naomi (09:36):

So when I sit with a client, we can identify, what is the thought or belief that is causing the issue, right? Is it a fear of failure? Is it a fear of success? Often those are combined or people think it's one and it's actually the other. There can often be a worthiness component, not feeling worthy of the thing that you desire, an issue with self-love, money mindset. All of these things come down to those thoughts and beliefs. So when we identify the core, the root of it, then we can apply certain techniques and tools to help shift that. So when I'm in session with a client, that could be something like EFT, emotional freedom technique. That is also referred to as tapping, and that's something that's really great in the moment when there's a feeling of fear or anxiety or pain. That's a really great tool.

Ericka (10:39):

It sounds like that gives them a place to instantly take action.

Naomi (10:43):


Ericka (10:43):

Action helps them move forward through that stuck.

Naomi (10:46):


Ericka (10:47):


Naomi (10:47):

Yes, and something like EFT ... This is the other thing when I work with clients, is figuring out are you someone who tends to be more visual or kinesthetic? There's different tools that lend themselves to that. So kinesthetic is great. If you are kinesthetic, tapping is great, because you're using your body, and it's a physical technique. So you're really shifting the energy as well as your mindset with EFT. If there's something like a deep-seated root that either comes from childhood or even generations or past lives, we can do something like time techniques, which is under the umbrella of NLP, neurolinguistic programming.

Ericka (11:31):


Naomi (11:34):

I don't want to say that it's hypnotic, but it's a guided experience where we work with your subconscious or your unconscious, and we can go back and discover the root cause of an emotion or a decision that is affecting you today and we can release it. We can allow you to view that root from a different perspective and gain insight and gain learnings. Oftentimes we have generational trauma and things like that, that going back and discovering the cause to release it is really powerful.

Ericka (12:11):

Yeah. As I'm listening to you, I'm nodding. Powerful, powerful, powerful, because specifically, I'm just going to speak from a perspective of a midlife person, right?

Naomi (12:22):


Ericka (12:23):

So as a midlife person, especially if you've had children or career or whatever it is that's consumed your life to this point, I think we kind of hit those marks, right? I was like, "Okay, I have shelter. I have food. I have the basics," right? All of my basics are taken care of, but yet I notice I'm not fulfilled.

Naomi (12:43):


Ericka (12:43):

I am drained. I am not happy. I'm not all these things. Then you've got to hit midlife and you look up and you think, "But I've gotten this far, and these things 'are success in life.'"

Naomi (12:51):


Ericka (12:51):

"Yet then why aren't I happy in life?"

Naomi (12:53):


Ericka (12:55):

I think that's where the resistance is, because you're having success, so it can't all be wrong, right? But I'm not happy.

Naomi (13:02):


Ericka (13:02):

Then how dare someone shine a light? Because you get to ... Dare I say rigid. I think resistance and rigid go together. So I think these tools that allows us to step out of self a little bit maybe shines that light-

Naomi (13:16):


Ericka (13:17):

... so that we can accept, embrace, not have judgment, be a little more kind to ourselves to help us move forward.

Naomi (13:23):


Ericka (13:24):

So that is definitely powerful.

Naomi (13:25):

Yeah. I mean, I always say this. One of my key missions in working with clients is to increase your self-awareness, because so much ... and having that self-awareness gives you the insight and strengthens that mind, body, soul connection. To be able to know, "This is what my mind, body, soul needs in this moment"-

Ericka (13:48):


Naomi (13:48):

... it gives you the ability to give yourself grace. It gives you new perspective on other situations and relationships in your life. I know for me, a lot of the healing and mindset work that I did gave me a completely different perspective and understanding of my parents, my family, my friendships, and allows me to approach them in ways that feels so much better.

Ericka (14:16):

Now, I love that. Do you think that also part of the resistance is, say, when people are starting to move through the other side, whether they're using a tapping technique or hypnotic-type technique, when they come to this awareness, do you also think that sometimes there's a fear of this new awareness because-

Naomi (14:33):

Oh, absolutely.

Ericka (14:35):

... they don't feel connected to, oh, what made sense, right?

Naomi (14:40):


Ericka (14:41):

"All of these things made sense. Now I'm seeing myself differently and realizing I can make different choices." But do they feel like maybe they're leaving friends behind or [crosstalk 00:14:50] behind?

Naomi (14:50):

Yes, yes.

Ericka (14:51):

So how do you weave that gap to give people, "Ooh, I have a new awareness, and this feels good. But when I look back, my friends didn't join me in this new awareness. My family didn't join me in this new awareness. So how is it that I move forward?" What's that journey?

Naomi (15:05):

Yeah. Okay. So there's a couple of points here that I love. The first is with resistance in general, it's the same idea as when we focus on the thing that we don't want, our minds can much more quickly and easily focus on the thing we don't want. So, again, this is the mindset thing, right?

Ericka (15:25):


Naomi (15:25):

Flipping it onto what's possible and what we do want can initiate that journey and help us move through that resistance and oftentimes, again, discovering what is it that's actually creating the resistance?

Ericka (15:39):


Naomi (15:39):

Is it a fear? Is it a worthiness thing? So overcoming the hurdle that's creating the resistance is absolutely the first step. The other piece of it then is the integration piece.

Ericka (15:53):


Naomi (15:54):


Ericka (15:54):


Naomi (15:54):

That's sort of what you're speaking to here, when we feel like, "Okay, I've done all this work, and no one else is on the same journey. Nobody gets me anymore."

Ericka (16:03):


Naomi (16:04):

Right? That's so common. The beauty of it is, though, when you've done that work, it's completely understandable to think, "If I do the work on myself and I progress, what if that means I discover that someone in my life isn't aligned and I have to end a relationship?"

Ericka (16:24):

Yes, yes.

Naomi (16:25):

Yeah. So more than anything, it's having that perspective and increasing that self-trust and listening to your intuition, and you're able to ... I don't want to say come to terms, but really recognize the gifts of a relationship or the gifts of a situation, and you're able to better recognize how to navigate that. I have several clients who have said they have shifted how a relationship works for them.

Ericka (16:59):


Naomi (16:59):

But they've made it work, right?

Ericka (17:03):

Yes, yes. It's almost like they're standing in their own power of that relationship.

Naomi (17:08):

Exactly. That's the thing. When you have-

Ericka (17:12):

Not absorbing what's not working, maybe more so reflecting of what they've discovered and letting it just be what it is.

Naomi (17:18):

Exactly. The more you recognize, "I can only control what I can control"-

Ericka (17:25):

Absolutely. Yes.

Naomi (17:26):

Right? You can't control anyone else's actions, reactions, or responses.

Ericka (17:32):


Naomi (17:32):

You can only control your own, and the other thing is the more that you strengthen that self-awareness and you have the tools and you have the mindset shifts, you're able to be more responsive than reactive.

Ericka (17:47):

Oh, nice. Yes.

Naomi (17:48):

Right? So it has this level of contemplation and this level of a higher understanding that it's almost like if you understand yourself and you know what's best and most aligned for you and you act from that place and you have the trust that everything's going to fall into place because of that-

Ericka (18:11):


Naomi (18:12):

... then that's a huge shift that can help with the integration.

Ericka (18:15):

So you're in flow of life. You're in the flow of life-

Naomi (18:17):

Exactly. Yeah.

Ericka (18:20):

... because you're truly responsible for self, you see things as they are, and you're not trying to be a force of change in other people's lives directly, like trying to manipulate-

Naomi (18:30):


Ericka (18:31):

Not manipulate in a negative way, but manipulate them and try to help them do something. You're focused on self. So any change that comes is more inspired by how you show up in the world, and people either see that and respond or they see it and resist. But you kind of don't care.

Naomi (18:48):


Ericka (18:49):

It's like, "I can't do anything about that."

Naomi (18:51):


Ericka (18:52):

"I can only be responsible for myself."

Naomi (18:54):


Ericka (18:54):

So that's powerful. I love that you're not reactive, and I think the reactive part is how we kind of get ourselves drained-

Naomi (19:02):


Ericka (19:03):

... and things that are outside of us and that we don't have control over.

Naomi (19:06):


Ericka (19:07):

So that is really powerful.

Naomi (19:08):

Yeah. I would say some of the most powerful testimonials or things that get me so lit up and happy is when clients tell me, "I recognized that I'm approaching this situation differently than I would have before."

Ericka (19:23):


Naomi (19:24):

People then reflect back to me that they see the difference and they see the growth, and it helps the relationship. That's one of the biggest wins for everyone.

Ericka (19:34):

I love that. So this always goes back to true change is most powerful when it comes from within self.

Naomi (19:39):


Ericka (19:40):

Then that kind of spreads out. I absolutely love that. So as we're going into this realm a little bit more, tell us more about chakras and how you utilize them to support your clients' personal growth. I have to ask, I know that sometimes people hear chakras and they're like, "Woo, woo, woo, woo. Not for me." So what do you do with that person who's like, "That's very woo-woo or out of my realm of comfort" or "I don't really get that." How do you help them see the benefits of understanding chakras better?

Naomi (20:08):

Yeah. So first off, let's start with what the F are chakras, for people who don't know, and that is sort of the first step in helping people move through the, "Is it really woo?"

Ericka (20:19):


Naomi (20:19):

Right. So it's the same idea as whether or not you believe in astrology, right? How much you believe or utilize those tools is up to you. But you have a birth chart, and your birth chart will tell you your placements, right? It's the same idea. Everyone has the chakra system. We all have seven chakras in our bodies, and the chakras are these seven energy centers that are aligned with our spine, running from the base of our spine at the root chakra all the way up to the top of our head, extending outward at the crown chakra. The way that I like to talk about the chakras is as an energetic language, and the metaphor I love is an office building.

Ericka (21:05):


Naomi (21:05):

So each chakra is like a different department.

Ericka (21:08):


Naomi (21:08):

So each department, each chakra, each wheel, right? Chakra literally means disk or wheel, right? So if we're thinking about spinning energy, spinning wheel, each department is responsible for assimilating, managing, releasing different energy related to that energy center, whether it's the physical, emotional, or mental piece. So each department is associated with a different part of the body, a different set of emotions, a different set of sensations and thoughts and beliefs and values. So when we understand that everybody has a body and everybody has emotions, this is sort of allowing us to ... I don't want to say categorize, but when you can recognize that there are these energy systems and that all they desire is to work in flow, right? If they're wheels, right, like cogs in a system, all they desire is to be in harmony and flowing at a comfortable speed and working with one another.

Ericka (22:22):

Okay. That makes sense.

Naomi (22:23):

Yeah. So that's the way I like to explain them that I think helps demystify them, right? If anyone's goal is to move into alignment and flow, then we have the chakras as a guide.

Ericka (22:39):


Naomi (22:39):

Right? So what I'm able to do then, the way that I use the chakra system is as a framework or a guide that I can then apply to associate with other systems and other techniques.

Ericka (22:53):


Naomi (22:53):

So for example, like Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs.

Ericka (22:58):


Naomi (22:58):

Right? Very similar, that we move through these different levels of emotions, these different levels of needs. The same thing can be associated with the chakra system.

Ericka (23:08):

Okay. That totally makes sense, because if those things are out of balance, then our lives are out of balance.

Naomi (23:14):


Ericka (23:15):

We're not necessarily making the best choices for ourselves in a given moment, because we're out of balance.

Naomi (23:18):

Yes, yes.

Ericka (23:20):

As you say before, we're being reactive to situations where if we can get things in balance, then we can be responsive and responsible for ourselves and how we show up in the situation.

Naomi (23:31):

Right. So if we're able to recognize, "Okay, I'm experiencing these physical sensations or these emotions. Oh, that means it's coming" ... For example, right, let's say I'm having really bad stomach and digestive issues and I'm not feeling confident.

Ericka (23:50):


Naomi (23:51):

To me, that's an obvious solar plexus issue, right?

Ericka (23:55):


Naomi (23:56):

So okay. What can we do to work with the solar plexus? Then as a byproduct, your gut issues are going to improve. Your sense of confidence and standing in your power is going to improve.

Ericka (24:08):

I'm always amazed at how our system as a body is really so integrated.

Naomi (24:13):


Ericka (24:13):

When you take that, we have our physical body, but then we also have all the systems within our physical body.

Naomi (24:19):


Ericka (24:20):

I definitely think that's connected and kind of fuel through how they go through the mind, going back through those thoughts, and how we feel in our heart and how we're kind of showing up in the world. Are we prideful? Are we happy? Are we in angst and sorrow and all the things? Yeah, so it makes sense. The more we can better understand and have those systems working in a way that makes sense to us, where we feel like we do have accountability and some control, I think there's a better sense of us showing up the way we want to completely in our lives, the whole person.

Naomi (24:50):

Yes. Yeah, and the mind-body piece is so cool, too. To get a little science-y for people, this is the other way I can demystify the woo a little bit.

Ericka (24:58):


Naomi (24:59):

That the other thing that runs along our spinal column is the vagus nerve.

Ericka (25:03):


Naomi (25:04):

It's the primary nerve in our nervous system. When we talk about nervous system regulation, right? If you're feeling anxious, if you're experiencing fear, if you just feel off in your body, a lot of that can be connected to the nervous vague. The nervous vague. The vagus nerve.

Ericka (25:21):

[crosstalk 00:25:21].

Naomi (25:21):

I get so excited. [crosstalk 00:25:23].

Ericka (25:23):

We were with you.

Naomi (25:26):

That all of the systems of our bodies that are also connected to the chakra system are giving us these clues, right? The vagus nerve, 80% of the communication is going from our body to our mind. Only 20% is our mind to our body-

Ericka (25:47):

Oh, wow.

Naomi (25:48):

... which means that our body is four times more powerful at being able to tell us what we need.

Ericka (25:56):

Wow. That is amazing, right? The thing is, is we're so disconnected from our bodies.

Naomi (26:02):


Ericka (26:02):

We don't listen. They almost have to scream at us for us to actually pay attention of them.

Naomi (26:08):


Ericka (26:10):

Okay. So we just made an episode quote. Thank you, Naomi. I will be sharing that. People need to know that, for sure.

Naomi (26:17):

Yeah. Yeah, and so when you apply that to the chakra system, right, so if you know that ... Again, this idea of responsive versus reactive, when we talk about the nervous system being dysregulated, if you are outside of your window of tolerance, if you're either hyper-aroused or hypo-aroused, you're either going to be foot on the gas, jittery, anxious, can't sit still, restless, angry, or you're going to be in a place of withdrawn stillness in a bad way, right?

Ericka (26:52):


Naomi (26:53):

So the goal is to get to that window of tolerance, and when we can work with the physical body of what our body's telling us from the nervous system and what our energy is telling us from our chakra system, therein lies the key to regulation.

Ericka (27:12):

Yeah. That totally makes sense, because as you say, withdrawal I think definitely has a place. Being full speed ahead definitely has a place. But if we're in those extremes constantly-

Naomi (27:21):


Ericka (27:22):

... then that's not a good place to be. So we have to understand what's that middle ground for the best health, wellness, showing up in the world, and then knowing when to ramp it up and when to ramp it down, but be more steady more often than not, because that's the happy place, right?

Naomi (27:36):


Ericka (27:37):

Very powerful.

Naomi (27:37):

So if we understand what our body's telling us, what our emotions, if we can identify the physical and emotional sensations happening in our body, those will give us clues to which chakra or which part of the nervous system needs to be either stimulated or calm down.

Ericka (28:01):

I love that, and it goes back to that awareness and slowing down.

Naomi (28:05):


Ericka (28:05):

So in your experience of working with women, do you find that there are common chakras that are blocked? Is there a pattern that you're noticing?

Naomi (28:14):

It's interesting. I think it varies, and there's some other complexities when we talk about the chakras, that, for example, the one I gave before about a solar plexus issue, if we're looking at the solar plexus, we also want to look at the heart chakra and the sacral chakra, because they're on either side.

Ericka (28:35):


Naomi (28:35):

They come before and after.

Ericka (28:36):


Naomi (28:38):

We would also want to look at if you were to fold the chakra system in half, there's an upper and lower counterpart for each.

Ericka (28:48):


Naomi (28:48):

So there can be a lot of common clues there. So for example, when we fold it in half, the solar plexus matches up with the throat chakra.

Ericka (28:58):


Naomi (28:59):

So what we've got there is your confidence, your power center, your ability to take aligned action. Those are all from your solar plexus, and if we look at your throat chakra, that is speaking your truth, using your voice for effective communication, being visible, right? So those two, there's clearly parallels, right? So someone might come in thinking, "Oh, this is a solar plexus issue," and when we dive into it, maybe it's more of a throat chakra issue. So maybe there's an issue from the past, right, about, "My words don't matter" or "It's not safe for me to use my voice," things like that. So we can dive into the complexities that way.

Ericka (29:52):

That totally makes sense. So maybe not necessarily a common chakra, but definitely if there's one chakra out of alignment, there's a strong possibility that there's another one out of alignment and they're kind of responding off one another.

Naomi (30:06):

Exactly, exactly. Yeah, yeah.

Ericka (30:07):

Okay. That's very powerful, and I do think ... Once again, I bring it back to midlife. I think midlife is just a place where you finally get to kind of look up and take a deep breath and really see what's going on around you. You may begin to notice, "Huh. Okay, so I have accomplished. Yet this is still lacking." To me it makes sense to have a guide like yourself that helps you delve into those things. When you are stuck, you don't realize it, or we're like, "Yeah, maybe these things are working for you, but if we can improve upon them, you're going to show up more true to yourself"-

Naomi (30:39):


Ericka (30:40):

... "and not feel like you have to apply or hide or excuse that type of a thing."

Naomi (30:44):

Yes, yes.

Ericka (30:45):

So that actually is a very interesting perspective on that. I'm mean, think about it. Today it seems like gut issues are huge for people.

Naomi (30:53):


Ericka (30:54):

It does make me wonder, how much of that has to do with just not necessarily feeling confident in who we are or feeling like we have to apologize about who we are?

Naomi (31:02):


Ericka (31:03):

When you think about that, that makes me think of women, and I feel like we're more apologetic about ourselves more often than not.

Naomi (31:10):


Ericka (31:11):

Even in this new era of being vocal, I still think that there's an underlining tone of that. So I love the work that you do that helps women come to the surface of who they are without apology. That's very powerful.

Naomi (31:24):

Yeah, and that's usually where we start, too. This is the other piece with the top-down approach, is the mindset is identity and really looking at who is that what I call slay and shine version of yourself who has the life that you desire and being able to recognize. So this activates your crown and your third eye, because you're looking at highest self and ability to envision for the future and what's possible. So when we activate those and work with those and really take the time to notice, "Who is that version of me that I want to be, and what is that desired reality?" and feeling worthy of that and being that person and starting to embody that, that's where the shift happens. I think when we're going through any sort of transition in life, whether it's a new job, a new career, becoming an empty nester, whatever the case may be, that can be like an, "Oh, who I now? Who am I in this new season?"

Ericka (32:27):

[crosstalk 00:32:27].

Naomi (32:27):

So always coming back to that.

Ericka (32:29):

Yeah, because it's natural to evolve, and I love that you're hearing it's okay to question that and move forward into something new and different. There's always opportunity for growth and change throughout our lifetime.

Naomi (32:39):


Ericka (32:40):

It's a matter of being kind with ourselves in the process.

Naomi (32:43):


Ericka (32:43):


Naomi (32:44):


Ericka (32:45):

So one of the things that I loved, honestly, Naomi, when I was looking through your work and some of the things that you've sent to me, this is a quote right here from you, and I want to share it, because I think it's really powerful and it stood out to me. So you stated, "You can be mad, sad, overwhelmed, disempowered, and curious. You can't be." I got excited. Let me start over. Okay, because I want your words to be accurate. So Naomi stated this. "You can't be mad, sad, overwhelmed, disempowered, and curious at the same time. So why not choose curiosity?" I have to ask you, what does that look like for your clients, and how can the listeners today implement curiosity into their lives versus those other things that are disempowering?

Naomi (33:37):

Yeah, curiosity is one of my top values. When I look at values for my business and the work that I do, it goes back to that self-awareness, right? Being curious about what's possible is really what it comes down to. So the origin, really, of that statement, of not being able to have the disempowering feelings at the same time is curiosity. You're using a different piece of your identity. You're using a different piece of your brain to lean into curiosity, to activate, again, that crown and third eye to envision what's possible, to wonder what alignment might look like, rather than saying, "This fucking sucks."

Ericka (34:19):

Yes, yes.

Naomi (34:20):

Right? That's what's going to keep you stuck. The other piece that kind of goes with this is the idea of flipping "What the fuck?" to "Work that flow."

Ericka (34:31):

Oh, yeah, I like that, too.

Naomi (34:31):

That's another one that I love, because you could stand there, right?

Ericka (34:35):

Work that flow. Yes, yes.

Naomi (34:35):

When you say WTF, it's that you're frustrated. You don't know what to do, and it is disempowering. It almost puts you in victim mode or helpless mode.

Ericka (34:49):


Naomi (34:49):

Right? Instead of sitting there and being stuck and having a pity party, why not flip to the curiosity-

Ericka (34:59):


Naomi (34:59):

... of, "What if I tried this? What if there's another way?" and just allowing yourself to be more playful with it and to listen to your intuition and trust your imagination and tap into that higher self and ask yourself, "What would my highest self do? What would my slay and shine self do?"

Ericka (35:24):

Yep. I do love that, because I think it is within us, and somewhere along the way, we either didn't get the courage to use it or we've forgotten how to use it.

Naomi (35:32):


Ericka (35:32):

It's always there. So I love also that you bring up a playfulness-

Naomi (35:35):


Ericka (35:35):

... and having that curiosity and playfulness and maybe not being so focused on outcomes, but just growing and being in process, right?

Naomi (35:43):

Yes, yes.

Ericka (35:43):

I think that's what curiosity is, too, is it's not about the outcome. It's really just about playing around and seeing what's possible and growing in that possibility of learning new things. So [crosstalk 00:35:56].

Naomi (35:55):

Yes, yes, and that's where I see the growth happen with my clients, right? So we might start together with goal setting or going after a specific goal. So many of my clients come to me with, "I hate goal setting. I don't like doing it, because it seems too rigid or it sets me up for failure," all this kind of thing, right?

Ericka (36:17):

Right, right.

Naomi (36:18):

Again, then you have the worthiness, the fear of success. All of those things come into play, and when we flip it into curiosity, it's like, "Well, let's look at the journey. Let's look at the steps. Let's look at what the aligned action would be," knowing that if I show up as the person who already has that final outcome, then the process gets to be easier. The process gets to be aligned, and the likelihood of quantum leaping and collapsing your time to achieve that thing becomes that much more possible.

Ericka (36:49):

Ah, that is so awesome. Your clients are lucky, Naomi, because I do think we can make life grander than need be, in the wrong ways, because life is grand, but we focus on the minutia in the process-

Naomi (37:02):


Ericka (37:05):

... versus just being in the grandeur and enjoying it for what it is-

Naomi (37:07):


Ericka (37:08):

... and allowing things to come forward. So that is fabulous. So on that note, can you please tell the listeners how they can find out more about you and how they can work with you so they can play and shine in their lives as well?

Naomi (37:19):

Yes. Absolutely. So I spend most of my time hanging out on Instagram, so make sure you're following me there, Namaslay with Nams. My link in my bio there has all the different ways to work with me during any season, so always offering individual sessions. I'm also taking on a few clients each season for quarterly packages.

Ericka (37:42):


Naomi (37:43):

So we get three months to really dive into the juiciness, and with that, you also get my quarterly group retreats, which I'm super excited about. This is a newer thing that I'm doing, ending 2021 and going into 2022 with-

Ericka (37:59):


Naomi (38:00):

... is these quarterly retreats.

Ericka (38:01):


Naomi (38:01):

So it's a chance to really have some seasonal rituals, to really reflect on where you are in your season of life and where you want to go next. So those are the best ways, either the one-on-one capacity or the group retreats right now.

Ericka (38:18):

I love that, and I'll make sure that all of those links are live in the show notes. So people can go down scroll and just click and get right to the good stuff. So thank you for sharing that.

Naomi (38:26):


Ericka (38:27):

Then as we wrap our conversation, which honestly I'm not ready to-

Naomi (38:30):

I know.

Ericka (38:30):

... but we're trying to honor everyone's time. I understand, but I would love it, love it if you ... I can't wait to hear it, by the way. So no pressure, but I would love it, love it to know how is it that you define zest in your life, Naomi?

Naomi (38:45):

Yeah, I love this. So for me, I think that zest is really synonymous with my mantra of slay and shine. What that means to me is seeking and fully embodying what I call shimmy energy.

Ericka (39:02):

Shimmy energy. Okay. [crosstalk 00:39:07] shimmy energy.

Naomi (39:08):

When you have that vibe that you just want to shimmy, like you're so excited, you want to give everyone high fives.

Ericka (39:14):


Naomi (39:14):

You're dancing in the car, whatever it is. You just want to move with that happy energy.

Ericka (39:20):

Oh, and I love that. You exude that fully, because-

Naomi (39:23):

Thank you.

Ericka (39:24):

... when the listeners go to listen to your Instagram and view your page, they will get all the shimmy, and it's very inspiring. So I do love that, Naomi. I thank you so much for being here and really shining a light on some things that people probably aren't aware of, because they feel like it is in the woo, woo circle, but they're tools that can really help them move forward in those identity walls that are restricting them from the life that lies before them. So thank you so much for the knowledge-

Naomi (39:51):

Of course.

Ericka (39:52):

... the tools, and sharing your heart today with us.

Naomi (39:55):

My pleasure. Thank you for having me.

Ericka (40:05):

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