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I appreciate ate it."},{"speaker":"Laura Summers","startTime":2428.7900000000004,"endTime":2430.32,"body":"It's always great to talk to"},{"speaker":"Laura Summers","startTime":2428.7900000000004,"endTime":2430.32,"body":"you."},{"speaker":"Laurie Poole","startTime":2430.5,"endTime":2431.73,"body":"Absolutely. My"},{"speaker":"Laurie Poole","startTime":2431.73,"endTime":2434.46,"body":"pleasure. Thank you so much yet"}]}