
Pursuing Questions
Welcome to Pursuing Questions: Imprints of inquiry, possibilities for play, and provocations for living. This is a podcast, formerly known as The Playful Podcast, is for those cultivating an ethos towards mutual flourishing, healing, learning and living well throughout the human experience; and that is the vision for this space. Guided by 5 values and 3 intentions, what might be encounter?
Intentions:
Imprints of inquiry: I wish to capture traces of my journey, because I believe it is worthy of being studied. critiqued, and expanded upon. I aim to cultivate my own awareness, reflection, and empowerment in moving my practice. What I say here is a landmark in time; not meant to be absolute truth, rather, to be interpreted within the context discussed. Podcasting is a tool for collecting and archiving pedagogical moments, thought, decisions, and practice.
Possibilities for play: I strive to expand the potential of parallel practices, by "going public" with incomplete ideas to seek feedback, to embrace questioning and being questioned, and to practice sharing knowledge generously. I believe that through knowledge sharing we are nudged towards improvising and playing with new ideas. Much of what I share is in a light-hearted spirit of saying "yes" to what is offered my way, and responding as best I can from a playful place.
Provocations for living: I take up long-term inquiries about fostering playful dispositions, pursuing human and more-than-human well-being, mutual flourishing, reflecting on practice as a facilitator, broadening relationships with knowledge, highlighting the value to revisiting experiences, playing with ideas, and unraveling pedagogy to inspect its ideals, protagonists, and assumptions. What I share is meant to be generative, to activate possibility and life itself by provoking, expanding, and spiralling that which is most compelling within a pursuit.
Values:
Curiousity: curiousity is my compass. I ask questions and work from a place of pursuing curiosity over compliance, normalcy, or or acceptance. I believe in living the questions, now.
Interconnection: Although I often prefer the term interdependence, my value of interconnection is what guides me towards pursuing connection, always, and lead through connection. I value serendipity, linking ideas, relationships, knowing that we are all connected in multitudes.
Reciprocity: I believe in sharing knowledge generously, making thinking available and accessible, and aiming to live in a world where we receive and give openly. I believe in modelling the kind of offerings I hope others to generate as well.
Wisdom: I believe in entering into embodied relationship with wisdom, as lived, rather than consuming and producing facts or information. I consider lived experience and generational knowledge to be as valued as reliable data, and as such, this podcast is not trying to elevate my work to a hard science; rather, declare its legitimacy as living wisdom and insight.
Upwards Spirals: Joy. Flow. Play. Revisiting. Repetition. Deepening. "Again"....I believe in pursuing the paths towards, and ingredients that, sustain upwards spirals of flourishing, passion, pursuit, and drive. Our nervous systems are hard-wired to detect threat and our instinct is to survive, and as a society we have put so many resources into correcting the undesirable. To compensate for some of these patterns, I believe we need intentional rituals of gratitude and generativity, and a practice of studying what "works". To do so, I believe in starting from a place of what "is," which is so often what "was" and what "will be": the patterns in our thought, behaviour, and emotion that cause us to wonder, repeat, and pursue. Noticing and attuning to our own spirals can support deepened intention, awareness, and joyful pursuit grounded in what we already know, value, and have affinity for.
Pursuing Questions
"As Music" - Spoken Word Poem/Reflection
This is not so much an episode but 'going public' with this piece is a growing part of my documentation practice. This 'episode' is a spoken word poem that I wrote over a year ago that marks a particular place in a learning journey. I wrote this under the mentorship of Andrea Breen during my the first semester of my graduate studies at the University of Guelph, and it captures and explores how I felt about knowledge (as an academic, educator, and student) at that particular moment in time, particularly with regards to being invited into alternative ways of knowing, being, and doing. It's by far a perfect articulation of what needs to change, and it clearly still holds many biases, so I'm excited to see how a further poem about the same topic might turn out differently.... or not. For more context and citations, please see my show notes at https://playfulpedagogies.ca/.
Welcome to the playful podcast, where we discuss lifelong learning and leisure by lingering at the intersection of recreation, education and occupation. I'm your host, Kim Barton, and today I wanted to do something a little bit different on this podcast. In the spirit of playing and learning along with each other, I wanted to share something that was a little more playful than usual and its in the form of a spoken word poem. Now this poem is not new, I wrote it about a year ago.. I'm not quite sure of it's kind of connection to everything I've been talking about so far on this podcast, however, the poem for me is very much a landmark on my learning journey, in a broad sense kind of expanding my cultural awareness in general, but more specifically trying to understand and honour Indigenous ways of knowing within my work as a scholar and educator. And so this poem is a bit of a deep dive into what I think about knowledge, currently. Without further ado, here it is.
“I knew it!” I’ve said, only to feel regret,
once I find out I’m wrong.
have I been wrong all along? How do I respond?
and how do I shape this to song?
knowledge as rightness, determined by whiteness
and colonial structures of college
I ponder my wrongness to resist in honest
attempts to unsettle and resolve this
the trust in precision, is stifling rhythm,
fixation with facts is so loud
turn it down, I’m not proud, it overpowers the crowd
we’ve forgotten how to play with sound
we discuss, relate, debate, agitate
and approve whose knowledge is true
we read books and papers dissect the layers
to decide whose knowledge gets moved
do you feel the groove?
is this even good science? by rightness?
how can I make a transition?
from regurgitation to conversation
how can I learn to listen?
what’s my role in this, am I complacent, worse -
my developing praxis
co-opts ways of being so I don’t stop reflecting
on each of my actions
do you hear this?
yet I put my head down, say nothing out loud
settle into the academic
ways that exist in mentorship process,
calibrating to scholarship
“grad schools lonely! But never boring!”
is what I have heard all year.
but I thrive on my own (see my first canoe solo!)
so… won’t I shine here?
only to find that again I’m not right,
so how do I relate to this sense?
of place and wonder and stories and blunder
perhaps all pretense and nonsense.
I feel like a starving solo artist.
to reconcile my feelings of intuitive believing
with not always being correct
is an act of resisting the structures and systems
that regulate knowledge as fact
where’s the music in that?
what we know grows, it comes and goes
and flows in a rhythm we prose
as conversation, tiny revelations,
that never exist alone
and spark revolutions in each institution
to reimagine our futures
and ignite something fiery to undo the binary
and provide some resolution
can I make a musical contribution?
you know that feeling when time is twisting
and you’re so engorged in the process
plans become abstract, bending to match
a rhythm undistorted by facts
perhaps
we need more of that
there’s no finish or start to this, stop rushing knowledge
these paths are winding and infinite
no linear progression in life lessons
they’re just interconnected
to think in relations means intimacy and faith in a
two-way conversation
a dance of equity and accountability
with edits of refinement and persuasion
sound is much more than entertainment
my knowledge is one piece, you may have another,
and neither alone may be whole
but together we weave a cohesive story
that creates a little home
maybe I’m not playing solo
hah, but home, you see, that’s again where we’re wrong
we’ve been telling lies all along
home is the problem, only some beings blossom,
when we’re singing a stolen song
this predisposition to ask questions
of ownership and acquisition
unsettle institutes and dig up the roots,
to unoccupy the settlement of wisdom
remain responsive, relocate as wanted
reposition again and again
be slightly nomadic, flexible by habit
home is created and recreated when
I pick up and move, unearth my roots,
maybe I’m meant to pass through
I see where I have harvested, exploited, and marketed
in places that I am not native to
while there’s no place like home, and I can’t do this alone
who I am to think I’m of service,
to groups I’m not part of, I don’t hold the knowledge
and to think otherwise is a disservice
so I recalibrate, reroute, and migrate
to some space in-between
comfort and a front door, my thirst for more
means I find new ways of being
‘cause I won’t play along, when I don’t like the song
and nothing really resonates,
it’s too big or too small, doesn’t fit at all,
then it finally it begins to dissipate
rodent models of schizophrenia
my lived experience with mania,
my research and knowledge converge
from big data privacy
to interview anxiety
new interests mean I feel heard
nature-based pedagogy to Mad Studies
self-compassion and musicality
these things I know, although I may outgrow
my learning it emerges indefinitely
knowledge comes as we need it,
no need to master it
just trust in the process
it is a forest, no need to engorge in it
let curiousity be your compass
while unlearning is unnerving, unsettling, disturbing
it’s birthing new ways of being
a yearning for learning that trusts in the journey
of investing in our shared meanings
I hear a tune in building
my ears can’t yet decipher such sophisticated cultures
of beings all interconnected
that linger in dependence a fermata suspended
to know who we are is all relative
so to all my relations, future generations
and ancestors, it’s so good to meet you.
I hear your songs: can’t wait to sing along
in a tune rings true for you too.
so who am I? and what do I do?
I’m Kim, not Kimberly, except for my family
and I play/work/live on the lands
of Dish with One Spoon, an Educator who
belongs to tributaries of the Grand
and what does it mean for me to be an ECE
and occupy space as student
my roles have oppressed, and I feel unrest
in honouring that I am still human
while I’m no soloist I try to make the most of this
seeking serenity in solitude
a recovering positivist
wanna-be psychologist
exploring alternative avenues
extending towards my energy source
what’s my connection to land
“Through unity – survival, all flourishing is mutual”
(there’s) no sustainability in a one-woman band
for as far as I can see, when I die my body
will feed many more beings
may my creations outlive me,
through interdisciplinarity
art, music, and stories
you can call me creative but I kind of hate it
the romanticization of novelty
to know it by heart is part of my art
seeking the free flowing, softly
yet with the pressure to achieve,
I am constantly wondering
what this means for my own identity
to share ideas liberally,
am I still appealing
to the academy?
my aim is to deviate but also celebrate,
those who have allowed me to be free
to make space for more changes and liberation and
know my positionality
by disrupting discourses and dominating forces
and offer restorying lessons
a retelling of history, new ways of thinking
and address ongoing abjection
in this conversation
I ask that we widen
the range of human responses
considered normal and not just neoliberial
understandings of concepts
intentional erasure of experience and nature
don’t think it’s beneath us
to centre research on whiteness is an act of violence
the silencing is so insidious
so how do I collect, analyze, and protect
complexity of researching communities?
recomplicate play through a commitment to name
experiences are not captured through binaries
maybe thinking in metaphors, expressing through symbols
& narratives not to just benefit me
to investigate connections and the 100 languages
capturing experience through story
literacy of place at a poetic pace
and grace for BIPOC students
and new immigrants and research participants
and the more than human
mindbody spiritual and the emotional
cultural teachings and sovereignty
I cherish your company offer space for exploring
there’s always time for tea with me
well-being expression engagement belonging
how to foster these but not police
From Teaching to Thinking, listening to possibilities
that’s my commitment within the academy
that is not to say that we’re all the same,
or that we can melt the past away
but if we can at least play in the same game
or maybe in the same key
then, I imagine we are all just passionate
players in floral orchestras
choruses of dissonance, can you hear us?
aligning in harmonic performances
I think… I may not be right,
I’ve been so protected by white,
I aim to know things differently, a gesture that learning
is never ending in life
it’s symbiotic, entrancing, melodic, expansive
with evasive solutions
synchronicity, in many of ways being through
research as reconciliation as music
so we dance and we play, listen and create
in rounds that build in crescendo
conversing through harmonies, like little symphonies,
in call and response like a tango
and I stumble my way down pedagogical veins,
admiring roots and leaves
I follow, I lead, everything in-between
as I realize that knowledge is breathing
it’s coming and going, ebbing and flowing
iterative and evolving
sense-based and spiralized, enduring over time,
it’s living, too, so be kind
it’s alive
and it’s mighty,
but I must tread lightly,
for it is not mine
it’s passed down by folks
I’ll never dance with or know,
so, I must know, responsibly.
just like rightness and wrongness
not binary opposites
neither are unknowing and knowledge
both oppressed and oppressor
student and professor
untether
settler
from
college
Thank you so much for listening, it you've made it this far. This poem means a lot to me and although it not maybe make sense to you. If it piqued your interest at all I might suggest taking a look at my show notes where I've put in citations because very clearly some of this is not my own work or ideas, it comes from many different things I've read over the past couple years. And while you're on the internet, feel free to give me a follow on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook @playfulpedagogies, and of course my website is playfulpedagogies.ca. Thanks so much, stay playful.