Quirks, Bumps, and Bruises
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Quirks, Bumps, and Bruises
Why Pastor's Wife Appreciation Matters
The enemy has a strategic playbook for attacking pastors' wives, and in this powerful conversation, we expose those tactics while offering hope and practical solutions. Melody welcomes Cindy and Charlotte from Energize Ministries to discuss the unique vulnerabilities pastoral spouses face during Pastor's Wife Appreciation Month.
"I feel always watched but never seen," shared one pastor's wife, capturing the painful paradox of visibility without connection that many experience. From identity struggles and congregational expectations to isolation and family targeting, we explore how the enemy methodically works to undermine these influential women in ministry. The conversation candidly addresses difficult topics like marital strain when "the church becomes his mistress," the unfair scrutiny placed on pastors' children, and the temptations that arise during seasons of emotional depletion.
But this isn't just about identifying problems – it's about equipping both pastors' wives and congregations with practical strategies for victory. For wives, this means staying rooted in God's Word, establishing healthy boundaries, nurturing their marriages intentionally, and remembering their identity in Christ transcends their role. For church members, it means consistent prayer coverage, initiating genuine friendship, offering specific encouragement, and creating opportunities for rest and retreat.
"It takes seven compliments to overcome one criticism," one guest notes, reminding us how simple acts of encouragement can transform a pastoral family's experience. Whether you're a pastor's wife seeking solidarity or a church member wanting to better support your leadership, this conversation offers insight into the spiritual battlefield of ministry and the weapons we have to overcome.
Visit energizeministries.com to discover resources for supporting pastoral families through retreat opportunities and practical encouragement.
Hi, I'm Melody and I'm Candy and you're listening to Quirks, bumps and Bruises. Welcome to a very important episode, I think, of Quirks, bumps and Bruises. With me this morning are Cindy and Charlotte from Energize Ministries. You've heard us talk so much about that. We've been involved together and partnering some with Energize Ministries and that is definitely a ministry close to my heart, because it is a ministry all about making sure that our pastors and their families are taken care of when they're just exhausted, giving them some opportunities to be able to pause and to rest. But on the other side of that, we also know and I've been in ministry a long time myself, not only on the radio, but I was a worship leader for 36 years and so on staff at the same church, if you can believe that and so I kind of know that the devil can attack viciously at times on those that are in the ministry, not only for the pastor but his wife and even their family as well. And so this morning we're going to take a few minutes to talk about.
Speaker 1:If I were the devil and I wanted to attack a pastor's wife March is Pastor's Wife Appreciation Month, so that's why we're kind of hunkering down on pastor's wife. My strategy would be to weaken her in a number of ways. First, you want to weaken her spiritually, because that's kind of the umbrella that sits over everything else. If you can get her there, a lot of other stuff is not going to fall into place. Attack her emotionally and relationally, because she does play such a very important role in the life of her husband. And so if I were that devil, I'm not y'all, but if I were, what are some ways that I would try to do those things to weaken that pastor's wife spiritually, emotionally and relationally? And Cindy and Charlotte, we're going to talk about some of those ways. Give me a way where you think it would happen.
Speaker 3:First, I think in her identity and just confidence. As women, we struggle with those feelings and just make her feel unworthy and inadequate. The devil tends to put doubts in our mind about who we are and just our confidence in who we are as a person, as a woman and as a pastor's wife.
Speaker 4:I think one way the devil attacks is by attacking her confidence. There's a lot of pastor's wives that don't feel like they might have the skill sets. Maybe it wasn't something that they thought they were going to do they could. Possibly their husband could have been called into ministry after they were married and she didn't see it coming.
Speaker 4:And also we have a lot of expectations of a pastor's wife, you know, maybe she doesn't play the piano and that every pastor's wife is supposed to be able to stand up in front of people and speak, and maybe she's more of an introvert and that's not the skill sets that God gave her.
Speaker 4:So I think pastors wives could compare themselves. Maybe the previous pastor's wives was there for a long time and she was very well loved and it's like how do you live up to that? Yeah, because God didn't give me the abilities that she gave her, and so they need to find out who they are and hopefully they're in a church that allows them to be able to be themselves. You know, maybe she's more of the organizational person behind the scenes and she likes to set up things. Or she's the one who is just the prayer warrior for her husband because she's raising little children at home, and that's fine. The prayer warrior for her husband because she's raising little children at home, and that's fine. But the expectations, I think, and the comparison with other pastor's wives can make them feel inadequate and the devil puts lies in her heads.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all the time so just let her be who she is and not try to put her in a box of what a pastor's wife should be. And uh and I do feel like that is a way. First of all, the enemy is going to try to get her. If you can make someone feel unworthy, it's like Play-Doh you can kind of mold them in a lot of ways. So I think that definitely is a big one. What about creating marital struggles? I mean, I can see the enemy doing is if he can get the pastor and the pastor's wife kind of moving against each other, that's going to cause issues.
Speaker 3:Right, Charlotte. Yes, Misunderstandings and resentment can all come in the marriage. The devil can put that between her and her husband and we had one pastor's wife that told us that she very much felt unseen and unappreciated. And I think lots of times in the church there's so much emphasis on the pastor's wife that she can sometimes feel that way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely, and I know this by just being on staff when I was doing that exhaustion and just feeling overwhelmed a lot of times. You know you're trying to not only be a good wife but a lot of times like you said, cindy a good mom and you've got young children and you know that's full time and so you're just exhausted and yet you have to, or feel like you have to, also be at this level while you're at church that everybody wants you to be.
Speaker 4:And she also might be holding another job a full time job or a part time job and the demands on the weekend are when other people get to rest. They don't have that luxury. In fact, I saw something the other day of a pastor's wife say I don't understand why other people don't realize that Monday is my favorite day of the week because she survived the weekend. Yes, and so there's a lot that are put on, a lot of things that are put on her plate that people might not even realize that are there. And not only that sometimes, as pastor's wives, we need to learn to say no, yeah and that's okay.
Speaker 1:It is okay. That's something I had to learn. I'm much better at it now, but I wasn't so good at it in my younger years.
Speaker 3:It is so important to set some boundaries because at church they automatically think that the pastor's wife should attend every event and if she has small kids and children, there's just no way possible she can do that yeah.
Speaker 1:And my daughter is kind of going through that right now. She and my son-in-law are at a church that has a lot going on all the time. It's a church that is kind of more out in the country, so it becomes kind of a hub for the community, so to speak. So every night there's something going on, and so it becomes a kind of a hub for the community, so to speak. So every night there's something going on and she, you know, kind of had to say I cannot do that. I have to put my family first. I can't be at every single thing, and that is perfectly okay. Pastor's wives.
Speaker 3:And also if the devil can make you feel guilty about not doing that, that can do a lot to our self-esteem and confidence.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Well, the parishioners can make you feel guilty, and so the enemy can use the parishioners to do this.
Speaker 4:Sometimes the pastor's wife can set the example for other families that it's OK to put your family first.
Speaker 1:You know you can't do everything. Actually, that's how God wants it right. Him and then family. What about isolation?
Speaker 4:I think that's one of the main things. I hear pastor's wives say that they're lonely. I had one pastor's wife who said I feel like I'm always watched but never seen. Sometimes there's an inability to make friendships and then you're also afraid of those friendships, so you hold back because you might not be able to be totally transparent, right, and it's hard to know who's your friend and who you can trust and who's using you, yeah, to get closer to the pastor or get their agenda. Yes, through the church you sound like a former pastor's wife.
Speaker 1:You've been there and done that, hadn't you?
Speaker 3:cindy, yes, yes, going along with isolating her comes also the criticism and gossip within the church. If the devil can make her feel like others are talking about her and things that can really put her to be lonely and isolate herself away from the people. And that's why it's so hard for her to find friends inside the church and to be her authentic self, because she's been burned so many times.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and to constantly being judged, constantly being scrutinized, and that is going to automatically lead you to being so discouraged. Right, it's just going to lead you to to that discouragement and you have to.
Speaker 4:You sometimes feel like you put on this fake face when you come into church.
Speaker 1:You're not really yourself you're not who you really are. Tempting her with comparison is another way that that can happen. Just comparing herself maybe to other pastor's wives or maybe other women that's in the ministry in that particular church, that's the head of whatever. That can lead to a lot of insecurity. Maybe even let's just be honest sometimes a little jealousy and even a little pride can come out there and it just makes her feel less than Do you feel. That's definitely a way the enemy can get in there?
Speaker 3:Definitely so. I think with temptation, lots of times with new pastor's wives it comes within a church. There is always comparison to the other pastor's wife that was there. Maybe she doesn't, like Cindy said, play the piano or maybe her gifts is not that. It may be more working with the children's ministry and let her decide what she wants to do and use her gift within the church.
Speaker 1:And distracting her. That's a biggie. I feel like in the world that we live in today, distraction is so easy to do because we are bombarded, first of all, with so much information. There's cell phones and e-mails and voicemails and TV and there's just so many distractions that can keep you so busy. I feel like that you kind of lose sight of where you are and where God wants you to be, and how to stay rooted to where God wants you to be, Especially in distracting her from the Word, reading her Bible and prayer time and just setting aside that time where she can just be alone with God.
Speaker 3:This is a big one.
Speaker 1:I've heard my daughter say this you can mess with me, but don't mess with my family, don't mess with my husband, don't mess with my children, so attacking her children and family.
Speaker 4:Absolutely. I really think the devil puts a target on pastors' families, whether it be their children, their marriage, and I really had felt personally, through what we went through, that that's the way the devil was working, because if he can take down the pastor, he can take down a whole church absolutely. And you know there is an expectation that the pastor's children need to be perfect. They need to be in environments and in a church culture where they realize that we're human and we go through the same struggles.
Speaker 4:The children did not ask to be the children's pastor, the pastor's kids and have that expectation on them is is very unfair. What they need from the church is encouragement. They need to have people who are praying for their children, that are supporting them. That is, coming alongside them and saying the same thing that their parents are saying, but in a positive way and not a negative, and not looking to try to find out what the pastor's kid did with the deacon's kid. You know they're back behind the church and I think having people who love on them and support them and give them the freedom to be kids and to be human and that when they do make mistakes, that there's grace offered to them yes, kids and to be human and that when they do make mistakes, that there's grace offered to them so that they know that they don't run away from the church. Because so many pastors, kids, have turned away from church altogether because of how they've been treated or what they've seen. And they see kids pick up on hypocrisy.
Speaker 4:Oh yes, and it's like they can call that out so fast. Even before some of us adults can see it. They see it and so when they see hypocrisy, they don't want to be a part of that, and I think that's part of what drives them away from the church and from God, and we need to work to overcome that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I agree. Yes, cindy, as you have experienced a lot of this too, don't you feel like, when you are a family inside the the church, unlike other moms that come, you feel like your kids are on display, yeah, in an audience?
Speaker 4:they often talk about the glass house, that you live in a glass house and that's very true, I've seen.
Speaker 1:I've seen that happen time and time again. This one can be one maybe a little difficult to talk about, but it is so important for us to just be honest and talk about it. But pastors' wives can be tempted too with things that could really wreak havoc in their lives and in the church's lives and just lead her towards some unhealthy things that are going on. I think a lot of times that happens because they just have so much emotional distress because of what is going on around them in the church. Money, y'all want to talk about that.
Speaker 4:You know, I think there's a lot of temptations out there and as pastors we aren't perfect. We have the same sins and temptations that everyone has. So I think we can get involved in. Materialism is one thing. Pastors don't go into ministry to be rich no, financially for pastors and their families. That lots of times you know she becomes obsessed with the things that others have that she can't have and you know lusting for that, coveting those things or maybe spending much on the credit card that she doesn't have. Those are temptations that can come along because you've been without for so long.
Speaker 3:And that's a hard position to be in. Also, in today's world, with our Facebook and with all the advertising and media, it can be really easy to compare yourself to others and want what others have in materialism or just being like someone else, comparing yourself, yeah.
Speaker 1:I've said many times, social media is the devil's playground, because it can just make you look at someone's life, which most of it's not even true. Let's just be honest. If you're showing a perfect life on Facebook, it's a lie, because nobody has a perfect life, right? Nobody. And so seeing that, though, time and time and time again, does make you just like what's wrong with me. Why don't I have that? And that can be pretty detrimental, I think.
Speaker 4:Another thing that's hard to talk about. But you know, sometimes, as far as the marriage goes, the pastor might be so busy that his wife is getting neglected. Yes, so she looks for emotional support elsewhere, where she should be getting from her husband. And even you know we even talk about it as a kind of a joke but that, like christmas and easter, these pastors wives are widows because they lose their husbands because they're working.
Speaker 1:So ministry widows, yeah so and that's an open door for the enemy.
Speaker 4:That's just an open door, yeah so we just need to be aware of that, and that's why it's so important to keep their marriages strong. So I mean that can happen to, to the husband or the wife, yes, but especially when the husband many of them are workaholics, you know that kind of the personality of a pastor. It seems like that they work so hard and we've got to make sure that the marriage is staying strong, so neither of them are tempted to stray.
Speaker 3:We talked about Facebook and Instagram. Sometimes you see the perfect picture of the family in a photo that just looks perfect, but in reality, just five minutes before that, the kids were wrestling on the floor and the mom was stressed out and the dad was, and so you don't see those behind the scenes. It's all about how, what a good life they have.
Speaker 1:It's like that car ride to church on a Sunday morning and it's just a struggle. It is just such a struggle and then you get out of the car and you smile.
Speaker 4:Everybody's smiling.
Speaker 1:Kids fighting in the back seat. You're on your mask. This is a big one because it can cause so much destruction in all of these other areas, but just making her doubt the faithfulness of God, no matter what she's going through, absolutely.
Speaker 4:I feel like if the devil can get you discouraged, he's won. I agree he has won the battle. Pastor's wife has to be intentional in being able to remember what God has done for them and to even write down the things that God has done to bless them. When my husband was going through his battle with cancer, that was really hard for me to take my mind and to keep it positive and one of the things I started doing was writing down every day three things that God had done for me or blessed me are three positives. You know, god tells us to think on the things that are lovely, beautiful those things, but so many times the negatives consume us and they bring us down. So I think it's a very intentional thing that we keep our minds focused on the good things God has done. So many times through the Old Testament the Lord had them make altars and things of remembrance to remember, like when they came through the Jordan River to remember how he had taken care of them and so easy for us to forget.
Speaker 4:Sometimes we think about the children of Israel wandering through the wilderness and all of their complaining. It's like how could they complain? God just brought them through the Red Sea. But we do the same thing over and over and ministry is hard, so there's going to be a lot of discouragement. There's going to be times where you don't see growth, where the people seem like they're against you and you feel like, why am I doing this? But we got to remember that God has brought us through before. He will bring us through again and if he called us, we just need to obey and do what he's called us to do.
Speaker 1:These have been so helpful. I think when we're not aware of what the enemy can do to just absolutely try and destroy us, then we can miss those clues, we can miss those moments where it's there and we see yet we don't see, or we hear yet we don't hear. This has been such great reminders of the way the enemy can try so hard, because he would love nothing more than to destroy a pastor and his family. Right, he would love nothing more than to do that. So let's talk for a second now, because we don't want to always do the negative without finding a solution, some ways that can help us. So how can we overcome those attacks? What are some ways we can use for?
Speaker 3:that? Yes, melody. We have talked about how pastor's wives the devil can attack pastor's wives in all kinds of ways, and how do we overcome these attacks? One way is to stay rooted in prayer and in God's word. I think that's the number one and also to surround yourself with God's people for encouragement in everything, in everyday struggles. We can be with other pastors' wives and we can be a friend to them when they're going through really hard times.
Speaker 4:Also taking time to work on your marriage. It isn't something that just happens.
Speaker 1:Marriage is not easy. No, I don't care if you're a pastor's wife or not.
Speaker 4:In fact, it's probably harder, right? So making sure you still have date nights, that you have time that you two can connect. The pastor's wife sometimes feels like the church is his mistress. Yeah, so we want to keep the marriage strong and work on that. And to you know, and it's okay if they need counseling as well, you know, we need to take the shame out of that, right right, counseling is good.
Speaker 1:There's not a marriage, cindy, in my opinion, that doesn't need counseling. I don't care how good it is, you know. Not a marriage, cindy, in my opinion, that doesn't need counseling. I don't care how good it is, you know it's always going to be a good thing.
Speaker 3:We talk about in some of our coffee connections about how we can set aside a day that they can have a date day and educate the church to let them know that that's their day off. Whether I talk to some pastors, wives who with their husband have dedicated Friday is their day, and to church members know just to not bother them on that day unless it's an emergency or things. I think it's very important.
Speaker 1:Offer to keep the kids so that they can do that.
Speaker 3:And we talk about setting the boundaries to avoid burnout.
Speaker 4:Boundaries are just really important to establish and I think that we need to. You know, know our limitations and ask God's help. You know, we don't always have to say yes. It's okay to say no, to have those limitations. You know, sometimes we read Proverbs 31 and we think that we've got to do this and this and do it. She didn't do that all in one day. You know, there are seasons of our lives and we know there are seasons where you're to be home with your children. There are seasons where you're to be home with your children. Yeah, there are seasons where you're to be involved in ministry. There are seasons when you have the empty nest and you're able to go and do more for the Lord.
Speaker 1:Or seasons where you're taking care of your own parents? Right, there are so many different seasons and you grow through each of those seasons. Right, you're learning through every one of those, or your health.
Speaker 4:You might have health issues and there.
Speaker 1:We're talking today about ways that you can kind of safeguard yourself as a pastor's wife, things to think about and to kind of get ahead of the game. Charlotte, give us some more ideas on that.
Speaker 3:Surround ourselves with trusted friends and mentors. It's very important for especially young pastors' wives to have an older lady. Like in Titus 2, the Bible teaches us to have an older lady to mentor us, and so that's very important that we can find someone outside the church and to be a friend to us and, of course, I think, ignoring gossip and criticism at all costs.
Speaker 1:You've got to focus on who you are in Christ and not what others think of you. So you've got to ignore it, you've got to put it to the side and you've just got to keep moving forward, right?
Speaker 4:You know you might need to take a break from social media that might not be healthy. That might not be healthy for you. I know a lot of pastors wives struggle when somebody leaves their church and then they see them posting on Facebook about what they're doing in their new church and that's just like a stab in the heart for them. So sometimes it's just best to step away and to not be as aware of what's going on there, so that that doesn't bother you and get you discouraged.
Speaker 1:Right and just keeping your identity in Christ as a whole and not in those roles or expectations. Make sure your expectations are God's expectations, yes, and not your own or other people's expectations.
Speaker 4:Yes, sometimes we're in our sentiments.
Speaker 3:Oh, absolutely, yes, and not your own or other people's expectations. Yeah, sometimes we're in our sentiments. Oh, absolutely. Actually, the beginning of 2025, one of my goals was to take myself off of Facebook. I felt like I was spending way too much time on it and I need to be in God's word more, so it's been really refreshing to me to take that break.
Speaker 1:Well, as you ladies both said earlier, satan knows that he can take down a pastor's wife, and if he does that, he can shake the entire church up. It can destroy a ministry very, very quickly, but Isaiah 54, 17 tells us to just stay strong in him, and no weapon formed against you will prosper. God is greater than all this stuff that we've talked about, but let's just spend a few moments talking about how the church can help in that area as well.
Speaker 4:Absolutely. I think one of the best things the church can do is pray for their pastor and his family and his children, because they need to be aware that they are under spiritual attack. As, growing up as a PK and then being married to a pastor, I know Saturday nights were some of the hardest because Satan was trying to get him distracted before he had to preach God's word and he would make family drama come up and all kinds of things. We just always knew to be ready on Saturday for that attack. So praying for your pastor's family diligently is just huge so many of us. It seems easy, but it's not. You've got to stay committed.
Speaker 1:Our lives get busy and we forget. So that is pray for your pastor and his family.
Speaker 4:Another thing is get to know her, connect with her, invite her out for tea or coffee and just have a relationship with her. You know, sometimes she is not the one who initiates it because it's like well, I can't invite everybody in the whole church out for coffee, so you need to initiate it, absolutely, you know, so that she has time to get to know you.
Speaker 1:I think that's important. I'm not a pastor's wife, but my daughter is, and about a year ago they moved from one church to a new church and so that's a whole new set of people. Right, and, like you said, you can't invite everybody over to your house, you know, for dinner one night, and so taking the time to just get to know who she is as a person not as a pastor's wife, but as a person I think is so important.
Speaker 3:Yes, Just to make her feel appreciated, make her feel seen and encourage her. You could send a car to her once in a while. You could, as Sandy and Melody said, you can take her out to lunch maybe. Just show her that she is an important part of the church.
Speaker 4:And I think that I don't know where this statistic comes from, but I've heard it said that it takes seven compliments to overcome a criticism, and you don't know how many times pastors get criticized. You know the music's too loud, you know the bathroom was dirty or whatever it is in the church that they didn't like. They don't like the color of the rug, and it's always the pastor's fault, right? So just making sure that you're not the one who is soon as church is over. Oh, you know, this is wrong. This is wrong. This is wrong. Giving them a list of things but complimenting them. You know that is huge. I really enjoyed your husband's message this morning. You know, even though she wasn't the one who preached it, it still helps you to overcome some of the negatives that come your way.
Speaker 1:Encouragement is a big deal it is. I think sometimes we forget about that. I know here at Joy FM we'll get tons of voicemails and emails thanking us and telling us what the music has meant to them and just beautiful words of encouragement. And then you get that one that doesn't like something, but that's the one that stays in your head. So I think encouragement can go such a long way, especially in the life of a pastor's wife.
Speaker 3:Just a thank. You can go such a long ways. It's free to give a thank you.
Speaker 4:I heard a story once about a truck driver had this 1-800 number on the back Tell us how my driving is? And this person called that number and they said your driver was going at the right speed, he was doing everything correctly, turning on his signals, and the person who was taking the call said wait a minute, I'm going to put you on speaker. We never hear this.
Speaker 1:They only get the bad. They only get the negative.
Speaker 4:We never hear the positive about how good and courteous our drivers were, and you know it's the same thing. So many people are ready to tell the negative, but we are slow on giving the positive encouragement that that's needed, and you don't know how that can just change a person's day and outlook totally around.
Speaker 3:I agree with that. I think a lot of times the church members will go to the pastor's wife and bend her ear so she will tell the pastor, maybe some of the criticisms. So sometimes she's the one that's targeted to let her husband know what they don't like about the church or what they didn't like about the sermon. So she has to carry that to her husband.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've seen that happen Sunday lunches. After church on Sunday, you know, a group of people go to lunch and tear apart the sermon. Or I didn't get anything out of that service, or I didn't get invited to lunch.
Speaker 4:I agree with that as well. Another thing they can do is they can be her champion. You know, as you were talking about, the criticism and the gossip that happens in the church this is a side note Our speaker, who's coming to speak to us at our pastor's wives brunches this month, her speech to us last year, her topics you talked when you hear gossip she made us all write it down. I have no words for this conversation and not becoming a part of it and it kind of stops everybody else. That stops everybody in their tracks. And so she'd say you know, you come up to someone who wants to tell you the latest. I have no words for this conversation and it was just an easy way to not put the person down, but it stops it and it keeps you totally out of it and it was like that was like one of the best pieces of wisdom that I've ever heard.
Speaker 4:But you know you can become her champion. You can praise her in front of other people. We have the best pastor's wife. She prayed for me when our family was going through this hard situation. You know she'll be glad to listen to your prayer needs and bring you before the Lord, or you know she is just, you know, the best person to be able to ask advice from, or something like that.
Speaker 4:So champion her so that other people will also find out her value and know her value and share that with them also find out her value and know her value and share that with them. Another thing the church can do as a whole is they can give their pastor and their pastor's wife's opportunities to take advantage of a retreat or a sabbatical or a conference for pastor's wives or for pastors or for a marriage, and that gives them an opportunity for them to stay strong and to learn new things that they need to learn. But it also let the church know that we're behind this and we're trying to help our pastor and to be there to support them in the ways that they need. And Energize Ministries offers opportunities for pastors and their families to get away, and that helps so much. We get so many reports back from the people who have spent time away of like how they needed that as a family and as a marriage, to be able to just unite them back together again.
Speaker 1:And Energize Ministries does that absolutely beautifully in so many different ways, and you can go to Energize Ministries website, which is energizeministriescom, and just find out all about that ministry. I think you'll be surprised at how much that is done to encourage pastors, to give them a time of rest and retreat, and so I do invite you to go and visit the website to find out more about it. So this has been a wonderful conversation. I think it's a very much needed conversation, and I think this particular month is a great time to do that. So today, think about your pastor's wife, pray for her and then, as you come up on Sunday, first thing you do when you get up, pray again for her and for your pastor and just love on them, because I'm telling you all, I'm not going to tell you again, it's the hardest job in the world.
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