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Barry Neale is a master at his craft, the art and science of hypnotherapy and human change work strategies. In this podcast Barry, who has amassed over 40 years experience, he is brutally honest about the subject matter he loves. Listen and learn and become increasingly enchanted with the fascinating work of hypnotherapy and NLP.
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Hi there, thanks for listening and please like this podcast where you listen to your podcasts.
The European Association of Professional Hypnotherapists is a group of like-minded hypnotherapists who are accredited professionals in their field. Many of our therapists have many many years of experience behind them which means you are probably in the best possible hands, available to you.
Why not pop on over to eaph.ie and choose the hypnotherapist that suits you. Many provide online hypnotherapy. eaph.ie
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Aidan Noone: Barry, Neil, welcome to the professional hypnotherapist podcast and thanks for being with me here today.
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Barry Neale: Oh, I'm I'm it's a it's a pleasure, Aidan. It's good to see you.
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Aidan Noone: Thank you very much now. I happened to be talking to a colleague recently, and that well, in the last few days, I said, Well, Barry, Neil is coming onto the podcast you know, and their retort was, Well, what Barry Neil doesn't know is not worth knowing, you know, when it comes to.
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Aidan Noone: Nos and hiprotherapy, and.
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Barry Neale: Well, it varies from things like comments like that to that big head
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Aidan Noone: I know who you are. I mean, I've I've attended quite a few of your seminar webinars, you know, on various different topics, and I found them excellent. Now, it's quite obvious to me that when you're doing
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Barry Neale: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Barry Neale: I think one of the the big mistakes that I see hypnotherapists making
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Barry Neale: I I've been studying hypnosis for now for 48 years.
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Barry Neale: and I've been an Nlp. Trainer for 30 years and a hypnosis trainer for 30 years, and I'm always always studying.
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Barry Neale: I'm always reading books, going on courses. I've been on about 4 courses already this year.
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Barry Neale: You know. So there's a lot of things I do ahead of time, even though I know all these these materials.
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Aidan Noone: And you know you're you're you're
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Barry Neale: Yeah, clean air breather, you know. No one has ever come in and paid me couple of 100 pounds for them to become a clean air breather.
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Barry Neale: He got really nervous, couldn't talk to him, and couldn't walk across a room or a bar, or whatever, and talk to him, says I don't have any confidence.
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Barry Neale: started talking to him about. What is he like to do?
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Barry Neale: He's a professional skier
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Barry Neale: now. He chucks himself
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Barry Neale: off the side of a mountain with 2 planks of wood tied to his feet.
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Barry Neale: and he's telling me doesn't have any confidence.
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Aidan Noone: Yeah.
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Barry Neale: Yeah, right?
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Barry Neale: That. Yeah.
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Aidan Noone: So.
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Barry Neale: He's got confidence in that context.
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Aidan Noone: Yes.
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Barry Neale: Needed to do was get him associated to that confidence, and how that feels.
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Barry Neale: And Taylor.
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Aidan Noone: After frost, sometimes.
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Barry Neale: Where he needs it.
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Aidan Noone: Yeah.
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Barry Neale: And so people have this all the time. And I I do this. I have people who
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Barry Neale: say, for example.
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Barry Neale: they have anxious thoughts.
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Aidan Noone: Yeah.
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Barry Neale: Like health, anxiety, or something.
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Barry Neale: So they have a negative thought about oh, my God! I could be dying! And they
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Barry Neale: they come to a therapist, thinking that they need some sort of
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Barry Neale: special technique, special method
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Barry Neale: to deal with that thought.
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Barry Neale: Well, I'll I'll change the subject. And I say, like, do you? How? How? Well do you fly?
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Barry Neale: Do you fly?
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Barry Neale: And they go. Yeah, yeah, I'll fly, you know, I I quite like going holidays. Oh, okay.
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Barry Neale: when you fly.
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Barry Neale: Have you ever had the thought? Well.
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Barry Neale: maybe the plane might crash.
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Barry Neale: I don't know about you, but I mean I'm a comfortable flyer. I don't have a problem flying, but I have had the odd thought of what if the plane crashes? Yeah.
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Aidan Noone: And some tokens.
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Barry Neale: We've all had them. Yeah, but as fast as that thought pops in your mind.
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Aidan Noone: Gone!
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Barry Neale: It's gone.
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Barry Neale: So what technique can we use.
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Aidan Noone: Yeah.
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Barry Neale: None
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Barry Neale: do we have to do some tapping to get rid of that? No. Do we have to take deep breaths to take to deal with that? Do we have to use distraction techniques? Oh.
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Barry Neale: but the person who's got
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Barry Neale: a fear of flying
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Barry Neale: they're convinced that people like you and I
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Barry Neale: don't have a negative thought about flying ever.
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Barry Neale: and they think that they must need a technique.
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Barry Neale: But the reality is
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Barry Neale: we don't have a technique. And
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Barry Neale: when you're working with someone. If you can draw attention to the fact that there are other situations in their life where they have a negative thought, but it doesn't bother them.
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Barry Neale: Then they suddenly realize, you know what
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Barry Neale: this is just thinking.
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Barry Neale: You give them 3 or 4 examples of where they might have a negative thought, but it doesn't bother them.
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Barry Neale: Then they suddenly realize, huh! Hang on a minute. I really don't need a special technique. All I need to realize is it's just the thought.
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Barry Neale: And you can start working with them that because they've
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Barry Neale: it's, it's all contextual.
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Barry Neale: Yeah, the problem is in a specific context.
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Barry Neale: And there's a trigger within that
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Barry Neale: if we work with that
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Barry Neale: we can get so much better change.
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Barry Neale: And because we're working one on one with the actual client.
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Barry Neale: and it's makes change so much better, so much quicker and far more permanent.
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Aidan Noone: And that's and that's what it's all about. It's, you know, the most, the quickest and most pain free way of
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Aidan Noone: eliciting that change and helping the client to do that. So in in essence,
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Aidan Noone: are scripts useful.
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Barry Neale: I would suggest
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Barry Neale: that
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Barry Neale: written scripts that you'd buy in a scriptbook are ha!
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Barry Neale: Are of no use whatsoever.
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Barry Neale: What I would suggest is that you need training and understanding.
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Barry Neale: How to elicit the problem strategies.
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Barry Neale: And if you're watching a
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Barry Neale: another therapist
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Barry Neale: then working with a client, then what I've done. I mean, I can't tell you how many times I've done this with people like Richard Bandler.
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Barry Neale: I've sat there on video
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Barry Neale: transcripted what he did
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Barry Neale: to do a linguistic analysis on what he did.
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Barry Neale: But I'm not going to take that transcript and read it to one of my clients. I'm just going to analyze what he's actually doing, one on one with the client to have a greater understanding of what
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Barry Neale: a top therapist is.
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Aidan Noone: Airboat.
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Barry Neale: But I don't think I certainly, when I teach hypnotherapy I do not teach scripts.
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Barry Neale: No, I think this, and again it gets complicated, because.
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Barry Neale: again, with even inductions.
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Barry Neale: you know that people think they need a scripted induction.
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Barry Neale: Yeah, again, you're not paying attention to your client.
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Barry Neale: It's it's it's a limitation.
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Barry Neale: And then what do you do if you, if someone is in a situation and let's say you're not in your office.
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Barry Neale: or if you've got all your scripts on your computer
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Barry Neale: and your computer goes down. What do you do?
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Barry Neale: I? Yeah.
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Aidan Noone: All the more reason, Barry, that you know you, you.
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Aidan Noone: whatever the client presents to you, or how they present themselves, that you utilize that.
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Aidan Noone: that! Whatever they gave you, and use that as your transport.
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Aidan Noone: if that's what if you're doing trans work.
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Barry Neale: Yeah, I will utilize everything. And oftentimes, when the person describes the problem to you.
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Barry Neale: if you're asking the right questions, they will tell you exactly what you need to do
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Barry Neale: to solve the problem.
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Aidan Noone: Yeah, if you listen.
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Barry Neale: Really listening.
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Barry Neale: They will tell you exactly what you need to do. They will say so, you, I often hear people say, Yeah, I've got this problem that I just can't seem to get any distance from.
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Barry Neale: Yeah, I know from that straight away.
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Barry Neale: The the problem
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Barry Neale: is a visual representation.
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Aidan Noone: Yeah.
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Barry Neale: And it's right up close to them.
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Aidan Noone: Yeah.
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Barry Neale: And the solution is gonna be pushing that internal representation away from them.
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Aidan Noone: Yeah, so.
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Aidan Noone: and.
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Barry Neale: And other times people come in and go. I mean, I'm really in 2 minds about this. I don't know what to do. Okay, we got a conflict.
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Barry Neale: so
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Barry Neale: they'll tell you what you need to do if you can pay attention and you listen. But if you've got your head buried in your scriptbook.
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Aidan Noone: This.
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Barry Neale: You're gonna miss this, and then it comes. Well, what then? What then? Are you gonna use for suggestions?
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Barry Neale: Well, the client will give you those as well.
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Barry Neale: Because if you say to them, Okay, well, how do you want to feel? Instead.
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Barry Neale: you'll start getting the resources, how they want to feel.
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Barry Neale: and if you bring them like. So, for example, says a person says, Well, I want to be really confident.
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Barry Neale: so I'll write down confident.
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Barry Neale: because they leaned on the word confident.
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Barry Neale: There was
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Barry Neale: emphasis on that.
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Barry Neale: Now. Words in and of themselves are anchors for experience.
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Barry Neale: So person used the word confident. I know the way they said it fires off that feeling inside of them they go. Great! What's it like? What does it feel like in your body when you feel confident.
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Barry Neale: and they go. Oh, man, it just feels really, really awesome. I mean, I feel amazing.
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Barry Neale: awesome, amazing.
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Barry Neale: Those words are anchors for their experience.
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Barry Neale: All I've got to do is feed back those words to them.
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Barry Neale: and they become natural anchors.
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Barry Neale: This is one of the reasons why we can.
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Barry Neale: You can do therapy over conversationally or over zoom, for example, and you can do anchoring over Zoom
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Barry Neale: because you do a conversation.
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Barry Neale: You find their semantically packed words
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Barry Neale: and fire them back to them when they're in that context.
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Barry Neale: you know. So imagine yourself in that context now, and you see that whatever and you feel awesome. And it's just amazing. And they go big smile on their face.
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Aidan Noone: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Barry Neale: So at all.
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Aidan Noone: And you you were talking there about, you know, listening.
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Aidan Noone: and by listening, you you gather rich information, as I call it, and that rich information you know you mentioned. There are a bit of conflict.
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Aidan Noone: and that sort of brings me into, you know,
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Aidan Noone: segues into the whole area of parts therapy, and you know, so maybe you just speak to the whole area of parts and what your take on parts therapy is, please.
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Barry Neale: Show.
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Barry Neale: Now.
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Barry Neale: my thoughts on parts therapy have changed dramatically over the years.
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Barry Neale: And
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Barry Neale: whilst we talk about the concept of parts we need to understand. It's just a model.
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Barry Neale: And people don't actually have parts.
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Barry Neale: And the moment we start introducing
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Barry Neale: a part of you does this or part of you does that
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Barry Neale: can create more incongruence in the client.
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Barry Neale: We see this with, just from the point of view of conscious
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Barry Neale: and unconscious.
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Barry Neale: because that's just a model as well.
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Barry Neale: You know, there isn't really a separate part of the mind.
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Barry Neale: called the the unconscious mind, with a little homunculus
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Barry Neale: doing all the controls right. It's just a model.
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Barry Neale: And so, even just creating the separation between conscious and unconscious, you'll often hear people go. I just unconsciously sabotage myself.
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Barry Neale: They've created in congruence in themselves rather than saying, Right, I'm going to do this.
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Barry Neale: They they give themselves an excuse.
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Barry Neale: So you have to be very, very carefully thing.
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Barry Neale: and we
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Barry Neale: one of the big problems with parts therapy, particularly in some of the model models that are out there
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Barry Neale: like ego state therapy. And ifs
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Barry Neale: is, they are installing parts.
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Barry Neale: and the person
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Barry Neale: they're literally installed in the past. If you, if you have someone in hypnosis
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Barry Neale: and say, I want to talk to the part of you that does X,
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Barry Neale: you just installed the part that does X.
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Barry Neale: If you then say, even worse, okay, and what's your name?
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Barry Neale: My name's John.
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Barry Neale: okay, are you male or female? You are in further installing parts.
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Barry Neale: And this can be a real problem.
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Barry Neale: And
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Barry Neale: most people aren't aware of some of the history of
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Barry Neale: his hypnosis.
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Barry Neale: Many years ago there used to be something called multiple personality disorder.
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Barry Neale: We don't call it that anymore. Why don't we call it that anymore. Hmm.
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Barry Neale: because of the controversy in the 80 s. And 90 s. About it.
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Barry Neale: Now, this is a really interesting book. It's it's quite rare.
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Barry Neale: And it's quite expensive. It's called Making monsters
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Barry Neale: by Richard Offshay.
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Barry Neale: And Richard Offshoi was a researcher
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Barry Neale: on false memory, syndrome and multiple parts parts
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Barry Neale: not of a personality.
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Barry Neale: And what he discovered in the second part of the book. If I mean the the first part of age, regression, and
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Barry Neale: the problems of false memory are like horrendous. I mean, it's just ruined people's families and lives. People ended up in prison for things they never did
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Barry Neale: because of well-meaning therapists
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Barry Neale: going after child abuse that never happened.
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Barry Neale: But in the book he talks about parts therapy.
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Barry Neale: and
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Barry Neale: he could not find. And this is one of the top researchers, very well respected researcher.
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Barry Neale: He could not find a single case of multiple personality
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Barry Neale: that existed before the client went into therapy.
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Barry Neale: What do you think about that?
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Aidan Noone: Yeah, yeah.
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Barry Neale: And he even interviewed people and said like, No, I I didn't have this issue before I went into therapy. In fact, the client, the therapist
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Barry Neale: separated these things off.
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Barry Neale: and the whole
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Barry Neale: concept of multiple personality
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Barry Neale: fell into real disrepute in the 90 s.
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Barry Neale: And which is now why we don't hear of it, and it's called dissociated identity disorder now.
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Barry Neale: because
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Barry Neale: no one has a multiple personality unless it's been installed by the hipaa, by the by, the therapist.
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Barry Neale: So whenever we start going in and doing ego state therapy, and we start separating the client off into this part and that part.
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Barry Neale: we run the risk
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Barry Neale: of creating
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Barry Neale: more in congruence.
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Barry Neale: less in congruence.
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Barry Neale: and we want our clients to be congruent.
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Barry Neale: So when I do parts therapy.
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Barry Neale: I will
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Barry Neale: always integrate
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Barry Neale: the part at the end of the session.
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Barry Neale: so I will use models like the visual squash that will take these 2. The conflict, separate the conflict out
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Barry Neale: and integrate it. Or I'll use what one of my favorite techniques, which is the core transformation process
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Barry Neale: which again
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Barry Neale: finds out what the intention is of the the particular
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Barry Neale: thing that's going on.
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Barry Neale: but integrates it.
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Barry Neale: So at the end of the session
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Barry Neale: the client is more congruent.
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Barry Neale: not less conglomerate
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Barry Neale: big problem with parts that. And I I've seen
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Barry Neale: very top therapist in the field of hypnosis claiming
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Barry Neale: that.
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Barry Neale: for example, if you walk into a room and forget why you went in, there
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Barry Neale: is because you clicked into another part.
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Barry Neale: and I'm go like no, you're just forgetful
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Barry Neale: slight.
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Barry Neale: but delivered. And so there's there's a part for this. There's a part for that.
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Barry Neale: and
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Barry Neale: th on some of these
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Barry Neale: Facebook groups. I saw one recently in the last month or so
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Barry Neale: some poor woman had lost her dog
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Barry Neale: dog had died, and she was grieving for her dog.
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Barry Neale: and she wondered if hypnosis could be used to help her get back in a connection with the dog in some way, you know, to help her feel better.
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Barry Neale: and some
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Barry Neale: helpful therapists said, well, what you need to do is to to
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Barry Neale: talk to the part of you. That's the dog.
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Barry Neale: And I'm thinking.
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Barry Neale: let's there's no
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Barry Neale: or or the part of you that remembers the dog. No, no, no.
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Barry Neale: it's like you're creating a problem.
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Aidan Noone: Yeah, complicating it.
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Barry Neale: It's solving people's problems, not adding to.
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Barry Neale: So whenever you separate a person off and say, I'd like to speak to the part of you that does this.
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Barry Neale: and particularly if you name it
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Barry Neale: and give it a gender.
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Barry Neale: You are creating massive incongruence in that person
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Barry Neale: which they may then use later on
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Barry Neale: to justify why they're doing a particular bad behavior.
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Barry Neale: Oh, that's not me. That's bad, Eric.
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Barry Neale: Yeah.
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Aidan Noone: Dangerous dangerous area, marry.
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Barry Neale: Ability. And so I, my, my goal is for people to
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Barry Neale: to be, to be a cause of everything that happens in their life.
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Barry Neale: We live in this idea of cause and effect, and most clients come in at the effect side of the equation. Oh, poor me! It's all this other stuff that's making.
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Aidan Noone: Yeah.
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Barry Neale: I want to take them over to the cause, so that they are at course for everything that happens in their life.
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Barry Neale: so that they can be the one who changes it
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Barry Neale: so that they don't need a therapist after that, so that they are responsible. They take responsibility.
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Aidan Noone: This is, yeah.
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Barry Neale: Or but they have the responsibility to change it.
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Aidan Noone: This is really important in my mind what you've just said, because it's something that I harbour on a lot about
666
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Aidan Noone: that. You know, a a simple thing is, I always use the metaphor of the remote control. Wh. Where is your remote control? Do you have it, or is that force outside of yourself. Have you given it away.
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Aidan Noone: you know, and that you really need to bring it back into yourself, where you press your own buttons, as it were, as you say, be a cause.
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Barry Neale: Yeah, exactly. And this is really what we wanna be doing with our clients is to get them
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Barry Neale: to be a cause.
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Barry Neale: The things that happen in their life, and there will be things that happen in their life
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Barry Neale: externally to them, and it may not be their fault.
672
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Barry Neale: but it's damn well sure their responsibility of of dealing with it.
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Aidan Noone: Yeah, yeah.
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Barry Neale: You know, if you've had a bad childhood, it's not your fault.
675
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Barry Neale: but it's your responsibility now as an adult.
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Barry Neale: to choose how that affects you.
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Aidan Noone: Yeah, yeah.
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Barry Neale: And so I think we want to be.
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Barry Neale: We don't want to be creating more incongruence in the client.
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Aidan Noone: No over complicating things. Yeah.
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Barry Neale: Yeah. Even the simple idea of just having a conscious or a subconscious
682
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Barry Neale: is create an inconvenience.
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Barry Neale: I'd really like to do that. But I'm I'm consciously I can't do it.
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Barry Neale: Yeah, you can. You're just making excuses.
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Aidan Noone: Yeah, it's.
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Barry Neale: But this is what we do. And so anytime you introduce
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Barry Neale: a split
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Barry Neale: you are creating incongruence in the mind of the client.
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Aidan Noone: Yeah, yeah.
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Aidan Noone: And that's, I suppose that's probably your trademark, or you. You know you. You keep things simple and you do no no nonsense! It's straightforward. And you even I remember you mentioning before about you know the hip, naughty voice you don't even indulge in anything like that.
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Barry Neale: No? Well, this again goes back to what is hypnosis.
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Aidan Noone: Yeah.
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Barry Neale: And I think this is important
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Barry Neale: for people to understand.
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Barry Neale: most virtually all schools of hypnosis
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Barry Neale: only teach the theory that hypnosis is an altered state of consciousness
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Barry Neale: or a trance.
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Barry Neale: a state of deep relaxation.
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Barry Neale: Though you completely ignore
700
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Barry Neale: 200 years of research that says, that's not the case.
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Barry Neale: Yeah, because going back right to the time of when Benjamin Franklin exposed mesmerism, mesmerism as being nothing more than a placebo.
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Barry Neale: there's growing
703
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Barry Neale: body of researchers that have said that hypnosis is not a state.
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Barry Neale: and this is what's called the non-state theory of hypnosis. But outside of the world of Academia this is very rarely taught
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Barry Neale: 2 hypnot therapists.
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Barry Neale: But there's a whole lot of researchers from Sarbin to Tx Barber to Nick Chavez, to Graham Wagstaff to Irving Kirsch.
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Barry Neale: who say that hypnosis is not an altered state of consciousness has nothing to do with trance or relaxation.
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Barry Neale: that, in fact, and the best definition I've ever heard of hypnosis comes from Sabin.
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Barry Neale: and he says, hypnosis is nothing more
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Barry Neale: than a suspension of disbelief.
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Barry Neale: and
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Barry Neale: believed in imaginings.
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Barry Neale: Now that to me makes the most sense, because that's exactly how clients create their problems.
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Barry Neale: They start imagining something.
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Barry Neale: and they forget their imagining.
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Aidan Noone: Yeah.
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Barry Neale: And it becomes believed imaginings. So as an example, I I I often use this example because it was such a graphic example for me. I had a young man who was getting married.
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Barry Neale: The wedding was about 3 months away.
719
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Barry Neale: and he was having panic attacks and sleepless nights over having to give the speech at the wedding.
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Barry Neale: and he sits in my chair opposite me, and I say, what's running through your mind when you think about giving the speech at your wedding.
721
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Barry Neale: and he said, Oh, my God! He said, I imagine standing sitting at the top table, I've got my bride next to me, and I'm sitting there shuffling my notes really, really, nervously, and my heart is wasting, and I can hear the master of ceremonies behind me, and he's about to call my name.
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Barry Neale: and I'm absolutely crabbing myself.
723
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Barry Neale: And he said, then he calls my name, and I have to stand up, and my legs are shaking.
724
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Barry Neale: and I can't breathe. I can't speak. And then I'm looking out the audience, and everyone's look at me with these big bug eyes.
725
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Barry Neale: and as he's telling me this. He's starting to go into a panic attack.
726
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Barry Neale: and I mean, wait, wait, stop! Stop!
727
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Barry Neale: Have a look around the room. Where are you?
728
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Barry Neale: Oh, yeah.
729
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Barry Neale: suddenly he realizes in my office in Essex.
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Aidan Noone: Yeah.
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Barry Neale: What's happened there? He started to imagine something.
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Barry Neale: Yeah. He started to forget. He was imagining it.
733
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Barry Neale: And suddenly, it's becoming real. And you know this thing where we say that the
734
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Barry Neale: the body or the mind cannot tell the difference between a real or unimagined experience. Well, this is what was happening.
735
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Barry Neale: He started to imagine he was actually giving the speech at his wedding. He forgot he was imagining it.
736
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Barry Neale: and as a result he was feeling all the fear if he'd actually been doing it.
737
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Barry Neale: So that's how a client does their problems.
738
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Barry Neale: The person who was
739
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Barry Neale: traumatized by something that happened 10 years ago.
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Barry Neale: You ask them about their problem.
741
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Barry Neale: Yeah, they start going back into it.
742
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Aidan Noone: Real litigation.
743
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Barry Neale: Obeying. And whatever.
744
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Barry Neale: Yeah, they're forgetting
745
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Barry Neale: that they're imagining it. They think it's all happening over again, because they they're creating this image in the mind so so vividly.
746
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Barry Neale: So people create their problems by using their imagination and forgetting that they're imagining
747
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Barry Neale: hypnosis is exactly the same.
748
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Barry Neale: and the purest example of real hypnosis
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Barry Neale: is the lemon test.
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Barry Neale: You know the standard lemon test.
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Aidan Noone: Yeah, it's.
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Barry Neale: An example of pure hypnosis, and it fits the definition that sobbing gave of a suspension of disbelief unbelieved in imaginings.
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Barry Neale: Because what do you. Do you say to the client, okay,
754
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Barry Neale: I want you to imagine in either your left or right hand a lemon.
755
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Barry Neale: Now they know there's not a lemon there.
756
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Barry Neale: So at that point they got to suspend that disbelief. Okay, I'll play along.
757
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Aidan Noone: Okay. Yeah.
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Barry Neale: Okay? And then you start describing the lemon. You know bright colors feel the weight of it, whatever.
759
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Barry Neale: Imagine taking a knife and cutting it in half, and they get so absorbed in what they're imagining.
760
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Barry Neale: they start to forget that they're imagining.
761
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Barry Neale: And then saliva starts forming in their mouth.
762
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Barry Neale: That's pure hypnosis.
763
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Barry Neale: no induction.
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Barry Neale: no relaxation.
765
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Barry Neale: nothing.
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Barry Neale: And so hypnosis, as far as I'm concerned, has nothing to do with chance
767
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Barry Neale: relaxation or an ordered state of consciousness.
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Barry Neale: Therefore we don't need to do a a fax invoice.
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Barry Neale: because it's nothing to do with relaxation.
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Barry Neale: What we need to do is be congruent.
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Barry Neale: and if we want to emphasize certain words, we absolutely do that.
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Barry Neale: But one of the the
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Barry Neale: I I came I did a lot of Nlp training back in the early nineties, and it was all about the Eric Sonian stuff, and everyone talked in a Bradley voice. And
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Barry Neale: and then I went on a training with a American hypnotist called Don Martin.
775
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Barry Neale: and I don't. He's I don't know if you've ever heard of Don, but he's he was big in the Ngh. In America.
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Barry Neale: Don Martin is like Tony Robbins on speed.
777
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Barry Neale: You've ever heard kind of Robinson today. Don not incubate him.
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Barry Neale: and he would do. Is he knows his sessions really fast, you know, and the the one of the things that's often you. You often hear that many people have now
779
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Barry Neale: used is the the color, red post hypnotic suggestion at the end.
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Barry Neale: That comes from Don.
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Barry Neale: And he would say, I want you to think about the color red, red, red, red, red red, the color red, red, is something brighter, sharp, and we'll eventually ever before in your life. No, whether that be stopped like color bus, it might be as small as a latest nail polish as largest number of bus each, and every time you kept discover the color red.
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Barry Neale: That's how fast he was speaking.
783
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Barry Neale: but I'm going.
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Barry Neale: What's.
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Aidan Noone: And click.
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Barry Neale: This and that. So again I changed my mind.
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Barry Neale: and as soon as I realize that, and that hypnosis is not an ordered state of consciousness, not a trance.
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Barry Neale: And
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Barry Neale: I get in a lot of arguments with people over this because they're so
790
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Barry Neale: welded to this idea that hypnosis is an altered state of consciousness or trance, and it just
791
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Barry Neale: amazes me that
792
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Barry Neale: that the hypnotists are in the field of changing people's minds.
793
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Barry Neale: but they don't want to change their own.
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Aidan Noone: Interesting good point.
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Barry Neale: Open up to new theories.
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Barry Neale: But the real thing is, if people really believe that hypnosis is a tranced state.
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Barry Neale: there's an American
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Barry Neale: stage hypnotist called Crescin.
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Barry Neale: Now Crescen was really big in the 70 S.
800
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Barry Neale: Now he was a stage hypnotist and a mentalist.
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Barry Neale: and he used to do the standard
802
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Barry Neale: stage hypnosis show, with the induction and selection of clients, and whatever, and then do all the skits and whatever
803
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Barry Neale: on one particular day, for one particular. Whatever reason the show was running late
804
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Barry Neale: and he needs, he thought, I need to cut some corners here, otherwise we're not going to get through it.
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Barry Neale: So he omitted the induction.
806
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Barry Neale: So he brought people on the stage, did the selection process all the arms and whatever, and.
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Aidan Noone: Lisa.
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Barry Neale: Didn't do induction.
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Aidan Noone: There you go!
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Barry Neale: Show one bit.
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Barry Neale: He then starts quite questioning what the heck's going on here. Then.
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Aidan Noone: Yeah.
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Barry Neale: From that moment on he never uses an induction, an estate hypnosis shows.
814
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Barry Neale: and he then he sided with these non State theorists.
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Barry Neale: and he put up a hundred 1,000 pound wager
816
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Barry Neale: to anybody, including
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Barry Neale: the researchers in the ivory tower.
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Aidan Noone: Oh yes!
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Barry Neale: I'll pay you a hundred $1,000 if you can prove that hypnosis is a trance state.
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Barry Neale: He still has his money. 40 years later.
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Barry Neale: and the offer is still there
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Barry Neale: because he's on twice. But he's still around.
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Aidan Noone: It's it's a fast so fast. Sorry. Go ahead.
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Barry Neale: So really, the
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Barry Neale: hypnosis can be used to create an altered state of consciousness.
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Barry Neale: It can be used to create relaxation.
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Barry Neale: It can use me create trance. But hypnosis itself. Isn't that
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Barry Neale: because a skilled hypnotist who's skilled with waking hypnosis
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Barry Neale: can create all the so-called deep trans phenomena like analgesia amnesia
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Barry Neale: positive negative hallucinations in a normal waking state.
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Barry Neale: all of them.
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Barry Neale: Yeah, now, if that's the case.
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Barry Neale: what's the purpose of
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Barry Neale: a deep state of hypnosis? What's the deep part about.
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Barry Neale: So the reality is there are levels of relaxation, but there's no depth of hypnosis.
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Barry Neale: Hypnosis is either
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Barry Neale: they're following the instructions or they're not.
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Barry Neale: and certainly the some of the research on
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Barry Neale: depth.
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Barry Neale: When people have deep gone to like think this this.
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Barry Neale: some of us techniques where you take the person deeper and deeper. What you're actually doing is is relaxing them all.
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Barry Neale: Yeah, that's not more hypnosis, that's more relaxation. And, in fact, the more they relax
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Barry Neale: the less responsive they are to suggestions.
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Barry Neale: and the proof of that is, if you've deepened someone through the floor.
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Barry Neale: You you say right in a moment I'm going to count from 5 to one on the count of 100. Your eyes are open, and they don't own their eyes.
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Aidan Noone: Yes.
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Barry Neale: They're saying, screw you. I'm really enjoying this. I'm gonna be down here.
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Aidan Noone: Yeah.
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Barry Neale: So they're not responding to suggestions anymore.
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Aidan Noone: Absolutely.
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Barry Neale: As hypnosis. They just have deep relaxation, which they're thoroughly enjoyed.
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Aidan Noone: Barry, you're so such an encyclopedic mind and brand of of knowledge. And you know wonderful
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Aidan Noone: facts that and wonderful experiences that you know we could want talking all day here, and thank you so much for.
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Barry Neale: Oh, no! You will.
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Aidan Noone: For your time and helping me record this podcast
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Barry Neale: I just want to add to one little point, also that people understand where I'm coming from.
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Barry Neale: Yeah, the purpose of it. So I don't necessarily say that.
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Barry Neale: What are you doing with with hypnosis? Do you need a hypnotic conduction?
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Barry Neale: In my opinion the purpose of the hypnotic induction is not to induce
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Barry Neale: an altered state of consciousness. The purpose of the induction is nothing more than a ritual
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Barry Neale: to instill belief and expectancy.
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Barry Neale: Kirsch, the top researcher in the field of hypnosis holds hypnosis and non deceptive. Mega placebo.
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Barry Neale: Yeah. And that's what it is. Hypnosis itself is a non deceptive Mega placebo so we are installing belief and expectancy. That's the purpose of the induction. So the best inductions, and not the Pmr. Inductions. The best inductions, are the ones with tests and convinces built in
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Barry Neale: that prove hypnosis.
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Barry Neale: Yeah.
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Barry Neale: they're the best ones.
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Aidan Noone: Wonderful way to end this podcast
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Aidan Noone: in the knowledge that there is a vast ocean of discovering discoverings and things to be learned,
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Aidan Noone: to add on to that. Now, Barry, how how can we contact you? How can clients contact you? And I know you have a presence
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Aidan Noone: on Youtube. And you have a members area on Youtube which is excellent. Also. So tell us about that.
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Barry Neale: So I've got.
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Barry Neale: There's probably about 350, maybe 400 videos on my Youtube channel.
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Barry Neale: and at least 120 on the private Members section, which is a ridiculously low price. I mean, it's about
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Barry Neale: from 4 99 to 8 99 a month, and.
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Aidan Noone: It's only €10.
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Barry Neale: This. Yeah, I mean, it's just there's hundreds of hours of video on that.
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Aidan Noone: Yeah.
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Barry Neale: Also, I have a website which is changeworks, changeworks, academy.com.
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Barry Neale: and on there I've got loads of courses, including a complete
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Barry Neale: what I call the accelerated change therapist course, which is a complete hypnosis course and Nlp. Practitioner course.
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Barry Neale: and also training an eft and eye movement integration. Amongst other things, and it comes with all the applications of how to work with weight, loss, smoking, depression, pain, all those sorts of things.
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Barry Neale: and certification as an Nlp. Practitioner and a hypnotherapist as well. So all those are on there at the moment, and so that change works. Academy
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Barry Neale: dot com that.
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Aidan Noone: excellent.
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Barry Neale: And I'm.
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Aidan Noone: You watch anything.
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Barry Neale: If people want to email me and ask me questions, I also do private mentoring, which over the years has become more popular because people
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Barry Neale: I've got fed up with traveling to courses, and they'd rather just pay someone for the advice.
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Aidan Noone: Yeah, so.
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Barry Neale: That that works really, really well, because and it's not like you get tied into some long.
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Barry Neale: There's some mentoring programs out there that are really long, like 12 months program, and they charge them about 8,000 pounds or something.
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Aidan Noone: Mass.
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Barry Neale: God, it's nothing like that.
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Barry Neale: My, my programs, really simple.
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Barry Neale: Yeah.
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Barry Neale: And it's it's relatively cheap. I don't charge any more than I do one of my private clients
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Barry Neale: and.
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Aidan Noone: And I just say I would highly recommend Barry's courses.
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Aidan Noone: You know. No nonsense, straightforward stuff that works. So I highly recommend that, Marty. Neil, thank you so much for for your time, your valuable time, and indeed your expertise, and your courtesy and your kindness in talking to me here today.
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Barry Neale: Oh, it's been my pleasure great to see you.
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Aidan Noone: Take care, bye, bye, until next.
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Barry Neale: Connor, Bye.