Session 0050 - Suzanne Dennehy Complementary Therapist and Hypnotherapist

Get ready for an episode that dives deep into the world of healing, intuition, and transformation! Today’s guest, Suzanne Dennehy, is not just a professional hypnotherapist—she’s a powerhouse of compassion, resilience, and wisdom. From her beginnings as a nurse through a journey shaped by personal trauma, Suzanne has built an extraordinary toolkit of complementary therapies, blending deep tissue massage, reflexology, EFT, and aromatherapy with the profound power of hypnotherapy.

Suzanne’s story isn’t just about helping others—it’s about a relentless quest for personal growth and healing, and meeting every client where they are while guiding them toward real, lasting change. Her approach is intuitive, empathetic, and ethical, always with an eye on making people feel truly safe and respected.

If you’ve ever wondered what it takes to facilitate deep transformation or how the body, mind, and spirit connect in therapy, you won’t want to miss this conversation. Suzanne Dennehy brings not only her wealth of expertise but also the heartfelt drive to make a real difference—for her clients, for herself, and for the field of hypnotherapy itself!

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Transcript

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Suzanne: I trained as a nurse originally, and I qualified in 1991, so I was a general and paediatric nurse.

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Suzanne: And I was introduced to complementary therapies at that stage by a colleague, so she was training and practicing her reflexology on us.

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Suzanne: So I actually started my journey of complementary therapies in 2003, when I trained in massage.

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Suzanne: And then I continued on in different ones. But there was a lot of issues that occurred in my own life.

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Suzanne: That, I suppose you could say resulted in trauma.

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Suzanne: And I was still trying to find my journey. And I remember going one time to a counselor, and she said, people that get involved in complementary therapies, they do so to heal themselves.

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Suzanne: And I remember at the time being quite offended as a therapist, thinking, you know, that's an awful thing to say to me. But as I journeyed through life, I began to realize that, yeah, absolutely, because the experiences that each of us have as a person

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Suzanne: Actually make us much better therapists.

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Suzanne: And you meet the people.

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Suzanne: who need… The learning that you've had on your journey to help them on their journey.

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Aidan: So…

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Suzanne: It's… it has been profound, and eventually, I continued working as a nurse.

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Aidan: And using my complementary therapies.

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Suzanne: And, kind of, part-time.

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Suzanne: And… Eventually, in… I got injured at work.

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Suzanne: And I, you know, life brought me to a halt.

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Suzanne: And I needed to find something that I could work in.

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Suzanne: that would… I would be able to do my complementary therapies, or work in another way, but not so physical.

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Suzanne: And I had been searching.

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Suzanne: And eventually, I came across the hypnotherapy.

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Suzanne: And I trained with the UK College of Hypnosis and Hypnotherapy in 2024.

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Suzanne: And it has been a fantastic journey, but it has also been a key for a lot of the therapies that I do, in helping people to move on. Because sometimes people come for a massage, or they come for reflexology, but they actually need more.

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Suzanne: And they decide what…

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Suzanne: they want to do. We do it in collaboration, with regards to what they need. They decide their journey. And I've just found it just an amazing journey for myself. So, I'm at this point now where I'm really looking forward to continuing working with people in a different way.

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Aidan: Excellent, thank you for that.

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Aidan: I suppose it comes down to the point of, you know, there comes a time when it's the right time for everything.

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Aidan: Now, tell us about the specific complementary therapies that you refer to. What specifically are they?

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Suzanne: I trained originally in massage, so I do deep tissue massage, and…

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Suzanne: I… again, I… I use it in my own way for what the client needs, because you can train in specific skills, but you really do need to adapt them to your own way of

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Suzanne: Doing things, so that you can give the best of yourself to your client.

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Suzanne: I also am trained in reflexology. I trained in EFT, emotional freedom technique.

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Suzanne: And I have also done aromatherapy. I've done lots of different skills, really, but I have

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Suzanne: The way I work is I bring

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Suzanne: everything to the table, and I'm kind of guided, I suppose. I use my intuition, I'm kind of guided as to what it is I need to do.

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Suzanne: With the clients. And of course, I use them, you know, with their consent.

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Suzanne: So they decide what they want to do. I might make a suggestion, and they decide what they want to use then.

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Aidan: And… I've heard of, Swedish massage. Was it Swedish massage you did?

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Suzanne: No, I did, deep tissue massage.

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Aidan: Deep tissue, I beg your pardon.

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Suzanne: Swedish is… Swedish is a lighter touch,

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Suzanne: But, like, the strokes in Swedish massage are incorporated in my deep tissue massage, so the massage can be tailored, can be light, it can be deep, depending.

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Suzanne: on what the client requires. I also did Indian head massage, which is… it's a different technique, but it's… it's like you're using the back and the head you're working on, you know, so,

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Suzanne: And actually, when you think about the therapies, all the different therapies, they're all connected, because with reflexology, you're working on zones in the feet, and when you work on the zones in the feet, you're,

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Suzanne: You're working on the whole body.

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Suzanne: And again, with massage, you're relaxing… you're relaxing the…

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Suzanne: vagus system. You're trying to stimulate relaxation, so all of them work towards that.

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Aidan: You're probably very familiar with van der Kolk, you know, the whole area of the somatic, the body tells the story.

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Aidan: So, would you comment on that in terms of how the body

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Aidan: holds, you know, the trauma or the pain. If I'm saying that correct… incorrect, tell me.

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Suzanne: Yeah. You are, and actually, that's what I find through the work that I do.

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Suzanne: And hypnosis is amazing with that as well.

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Suzanne: As you work, with clients

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Suzanne: if I just do hypnosis alone, sometimes I just work with hypnosis alone, and… With hypnosis, when they…

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Suzanne: I have a specific client that she's been through a lot of different issues, and when she goes deep into hypnosis, she experiences pain in different parts of her body, and that's emotional pain. You store emotional pain in different parts of your body, and when you can go deep enough, you can release it.

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Suzanne: So…

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Suzanne: When you're stimulating the vagus system, you're trying to relax the whole body to allow the pain to go.

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Suzanne: I'm not sure how else I can sort of explain that, but

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Suzanne: And a good way to explain it is.

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Suzanne: Initially, we… when we're born, we're actually born free. You know, you don't really have any experiences in life. And the…

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Suzanne: You have the starter reflex, so something happens and it can startle you.

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Suzanne: And you have a reaction to that. As life goes on, other things can startle, and you start to internalize the…

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Suzanne: I suppose the patterns, you internalize them, and they get stored in your body in different places.

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Suzanne: And it depends on what the emotion is. It can be anger, it can be grief, it can be whatever it is. But we learn to subdue, as we get older, we learn to subdue those emotions.

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Suzanne: But they have to go somewhere.

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Suzanne: And unless… unless we release them. If you release them, they can go, and you can move on freely. But if you don't release them, they are stored within the body. And it's actually deep in the brain, you know you have them.

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Suzanne: But you're… Your conscious brain isn't dealing with it. And often.

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Suzanne: when you react to something, and you go, I don't know where that came from, you know, we'll say if you've been very angry over something. I don't know where that came from. It's actually coming from a memory stored deep in your brain, in your subconscious.

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Suzanne: And you're reacting without knowing what you're reacting from.

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Suzanne: When we use hypnosis.

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Suzanne: it can help to release that without any… without having to go too deep into what the issue is. You can actually release the pain gently.

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Suzanne: That's what I'm finding as I'm working more and more with people.

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Aidan: So, you don't necessarily have to relive.

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Aidan: the event. You can be objective about it.

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Suzanne: You can.

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Aidan: Okay. Yeah.

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Suzanne: Yeah, it's pretty amazing, really. And that's… I find it… I find it really fascinating, that we can just…

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Suzanne: I would have done counselling myself for a number of issues, and I would have found that

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Suzanne: For some people, it's an absolutely wonderful way to go, and they can…

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Suzanne: resolve stuff that way. For me, it wasn't, because I was so good at being able to deny

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Suzanne: you know, what was going on for me, that I didn't even know I was denying it. When I use therapies like this, I find that I can just bring it up and release it without any excess emotion.

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Suzanne: You know, I don't have to get angry, I don't have to get frustrated, I just need to address it very gently. And that gentleness is what I would have needed to release emotion, and that gentleness with other clients that I come… they're finding that

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Suzanne: That this is what works for them.

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Aidan: Wonderful. You mentioned there that gentleness, and I think that's…

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Aidan: I think that's important, to give people, to help them to feel safe.

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Aidan: And to be able to explore and to be able to express.

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Suzanne: I think safety is a key. It's a very important place to be, but sometimes people aren't aware

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Suzanne: then the… That they need that safe day.

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Suzanne: So, it's not necessary to mention about being safe, it's actually important for the body to feel that safe day.

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Aidan: Okay.

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Suzanne: And once it… once you feel it.

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Suzanne: And you will say you relate well with your therapist, and you feel that safety, that's where you can let go.

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Suzanne: Yeah, sometimes using the word safety…

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Suzanne: is not necessarily what someone wants to hear. You know, we can all deny… we can all deny stuff, and for whatever reason, it is whatever experiences we've had in our life,

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Suzanne: We deal with things in our own way.

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Aidan: And…

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Suzanne: Words, you know, they used to say sticks and stones will break your bones, but words will never harm you.

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Suzanne: That's not true. But… That's why I think it's important to meet the person where they're at.

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Suzanne: And to just allow them to…

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Suzanne: express and feel whatever they feel without any agenda, and sometimes using the word safety can be an agenda, so…

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Aidan: Oh my gosh.

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Suzanne: Yeah, so I try not to do that if I can, depending on where they…

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Aidan: more of an enabling…

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Aidan: Yeah. Perhaps an enabling process. Now, without giving away any, you know, confidentialities or anything about any particular client, is there a specific case that comes to mind that you could, you know, briefly refer to that comes into your consciousness, as it were?

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Suzanne: In relation… To that type of issue, is that.

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Aidan: Yes, in relation to the release, or… if I'm saying the wrong words, you tell me.

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Suzanne: Yeah, no, you're fine. That's… that's good.

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Suzanne: Yes, there is somebody that comes to mind, and she actually came to me for nail biting, believe it or not. She wanted to stop my…

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Aidan: Ken, I didn't… I miss that.

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Suzanne: She came to me for nail biting. She wanted to stop biting her nails.

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Suzanne: And, you know, we did do it. You can do this very quickly, but it's… as she was working with me.

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Suzanne: she began to kind of open up a little bit and find that there was other things that she… that were kind of holding her back for the nail-biting. And she ended up dealing with an issue from her childhood.

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Suzanne: Which had been traumatic to her, so every time she would have stopped biting her nails, she would have reverted back.

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Suzanne: Two, biting her nails again, after a period of not…

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Suzanne: Doing it, and she'd had this history when she came to me. So she found that as we worked together and we used the hypnosis, that she was able to relax enough to actually

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Suzanne: discovered that there was something that bothered her.

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Suzanne: And she was able to let that go, and I've been in touch with her since, and she has… her nails are growing beautifully. She's very happy.

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Aidan: Fresh.

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Suzanne: Yeah, so…

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Aidan: Wonderful.

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Aidan: And…

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Aidan: I mean, I'm sure there are a plethora of other issues that you've dealt with, specifically with clients. In regards to the whole area of ethics.

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Aidan: And, you know, being ethical.

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Aidan: Why does being ethical, in your opinion.

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Aidan: enable a client to do that unfolding, if you want to call it, that enabling? And in other words, what part does ethics and ethical practice

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Aidan: Play in all of this process.

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Suzanne: That's a hard question.

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Suzanne: I think it's very important that I disclose exactly where I'm at, and I'm not a psychologist, or I don't have any of those particular skills. I'm a nurse, I have empathy, I have, you know, I have the ability to meet people where they're at, and then I'm also a complementary therapist.

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Suzanne: And I have the skills, and I explain all of that to people, and I explain what the hypnosis is all about.

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Suzanne: I think it's really important The client knows the space they're in.

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Suzanne: They also know that, disclosing personal information.

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Suzanne: is…

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Suzanne: I suppose it's optional, really, to… if they want to, but it's not necessary. And using hypnosis, it's often not necessary to go into anyone's…

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Suzanne: Deep personal information to deal with something.

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Suzanne: And I think it's, it's really important to know my limitations.

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Suzanne: for me to know my limitations, and to know whether to refer or not refer, to further, you know, to assist the person. And also,

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Suzanne: Just providing that safe space for them to feel…

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Suzanne: To feel safe in my space.

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Suzanne: You know, the.

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Aidan: The thing…

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Suzanne: They can… they can make decisions that are right for them.

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Aidan: Yeah.

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Suzanne: If they want to stay, if they don't want to stay, all of those things come into play.

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Suzanne: M… Am I answering your question?

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Aidan: Yes, absolutely, 100%, and thank you so much for this, because I think it's really important that, you know, as therapists.

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Aidan: We… you mentioned a really important point, is knowing your own limitations.

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Aidan: And knowing when to refer it out. And, in other words, if a client presents to you.

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Aidan: With a specific issue, and it may bring up stuff in you.

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Aidan: you know, it may… this… the whole area of, transference and all of that, it's really important, I think, that, yeah, you've highlighted that, and that to refer it out, if in doubt, refer it out, you know? Absolutely, yes. That's important. But, thank you for that, Suzanne.

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Aidan: No, now we're talking about all sorts of different things, and, you know, about the complementary therapies and the other works apart from hypnotherapy, but…

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Aidan: What was the one thing, in your opinion, that drew you, that drew you into hypnosis and hypnotherapy, per se? What was that? Or what drew you there, if I'm asking the right question?

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Suzanne: I suppose initially, I had trained in emotional freedom technique, and that's a tapping technique. And in a way, that's hypnosis.

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Suzanne: Because we're… we're… you know, every day we're hypnotizing ourselves into whether.

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Aidan: What it is that's true.

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Suzanne: if you get engrossed in a book, if you're watching a TV show, and if you get really engrossed in it, you're kind of… you're in a hypnotized state, and are… just before you go to sleep, that's your hypnosis state, and that's where… where we want to reach. And with the tapping technique, you're tapping, and you're tapping on meridians, but again, you're bringing your system down into that state.

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Suzanne: Where you can… deal with information that you want to release, or something you want to improve on. And…

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Suzanne: I suppose that was an introduction without I realizing it at all. And then, when I needed to change career, and I was looking for something to use, I was interested in hypnosis. I had previously gone for a number of sessions of hypnosis.

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Suzanne: myself, and I suppose that was the second introduction into it.

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Suzanne: And then, I just… I was just drawn to it, really, because I felt that there was something else

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Suzanne: that I could do with people. I needed something else to help me, to assist people even more.

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Suzanne: In a more profound and deeper way.

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Suzanne: M… And I just… I just fell in love with it.

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Suzanne: That's after that, so… That's…

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Aidan: Right. I can…

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Aidan: You know, I can see why… why people would be drawn to you, because you have that calm nature about you, that, you know, that enabling, personality that facilitates, that, that, that, change, that…

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Suzanne: way of moving forward.

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Suzanne: Yeah. Well, I suppose for hypnotherapy in particular, I think a lot of people are a bit anxious, they're a bit nervous because they hear about stage hypnosis, and they'll have seen things on TV and things, and I would always say to them, you know, that's not what I do. It hasn't anything to do with that. And I would also reassure them that

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Suzanne: So, they're not going to sleep. I would say to the clients, you're not, you're not going to sleep. You are fully conscious, you'll hear my voice, I'll be guiding you, you'll go as deep as you want to go, or you allow yourself to go, and at any point, if you feel uncomfortable, you would be able to just open your eyes and just, you know, we can stop the process.

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Suzanne: And that seems to be very comforting for people, that they… no one likes to be out of control. No one likes to feel that they can't… that they… that they might possibly go somewhere they don't want to go.

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Suzanne: And that's what I'm here. I'm here to facilitate them to make the change. And the other thing I would say to them is, I don't make the changes, I can't make anyone change, but I can facilitate them to make the changes that they want to make, if they really want to do it.

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Suzanne: And I think that has been evident throughout my life, in my nursing career. I'm a mother, I have 5 children, I'm a wife, I cared for my mother-in-law, I have continued to work with clients over the last 20 years, and I think I'm just born to be a giving person.

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Aidan: That's a beautiful way of expressing it.

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Aidan: if I could express it this way, physician heal thyself. You know, to the extent that we go out there and we, you know, we are concerned about other people in terms of helping them.

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Aidan: You know, it's in many ways, you know, we as therapists, as healers, that we get some sort of… what would you say we get out of it?

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Suzanne: I just think that, that therapists… do this work.

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Aidan: And, you know, I think that you, you know, as therapists, you know, we have to have that concern.

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Aidan: I think for other people, so that they can re-facilitate their change, their Boeing where they want to go. I think that's really important, and… but at the same time, you know, there's the element of being in business, isn't there?

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Suzanne: I'm working on it, I'm improving on that, because I have actually done a huge amount of work for free for people, you know, but, you know, you don't always… it doesn't always benefit people to be giving your skills and your work for free, because

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Suzanne: what I've learned more recently, and… is that I have to value myself, I have to value the skills that I have to offer.

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Suzanne: In that value, money is just an exchange of energy, and when people exchange money.

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Suzanne: decide whatever that is for you, or whatever. It can vary with clients if you decide that you need… that someone can't afford it, and they can pay less than you charge. You can make all those decisions, but you make it in the right space. But the exchange is extremely important, and having a value, having a specific cost on the work that you do.

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Aidan: You know, as therapists, we have to value what we do, and we have to charge appropriately.

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Aidan: Not exorbitantly, but appropriately, and… because, as you say, it's an exchange of…

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Suzanne: I needed to understand that that was a privilege for me to be able to do that. But I've also learned that the clients that receive… those that really did the work and wanted to do the work, they wanted to pay for it, they wanted to contribute to it, and some of the people that I would have worked with

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Aidan: Well, in my opinion, it's not spoken often enough about. I think it's important that any therapist out there, no matter from whichever discipline you come from.

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Suzanne: I'm in Killarney, County Kerry. I'm just outside of Killarney, I'm in the area of Fusa.

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Aidan: Love a beautiful place, I'm sure.

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Suzanne: I… I lived in Clarney all my life. I was born in Clarney, grew up in Clarney, got married, continued to live in Clarney.

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Suzanne: And we went to America on one stage with my husband, and we visited, and I can't remember exactly where we went.

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Suzanne: We went somewhere, and I couldn't believe that the people that I met, they didn't know where Killarney was, because to me, Killarney was the center of the world. So that was… yeah, that's interesting.

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Aidan: The Americans… of course, the Americans themselves, for a huge nation, they're not very well-travelled people, you know?

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Suzanne: Yeah, and the one thing they did know about was my husband was wearing an orange shirt, and they were calling him the Orange Irishman, so…

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Suzanne: It doesn't go together, does it? No, no, it doesn't go in.

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Aidan: Is there anything else that you'd like to tell our audience out there about Suzanne Dennehy? Because I have to say, I have really enjoyed speaking with you today. I can see why people

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Aidan: You know, clients would want to come and, you know, be helped by a person of your nature.

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Suzanne: Thank you.

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Suzanne: I'm not sure what I can say other than, you know, I'm open, I'm available for business, I love the work that I do, and I feel that, you know.

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Suzanne: If anyone hears my voice, on this podcast, and they feel that they'd like to work with me.

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Suzanne: they'll be drawn to me, and I would love to work with them, so…

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Aidan: Wonderful. Of course, you have a huge life experience.

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Aidan: Suzanne, I think, you know, we forget that, that, you know, sometimes the life experience that we bring to our work

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Aidan: we perhaps don't consciously… we're not consciously aware of where we got this from, or that from, or where we get this skill from, or that other skill from, you know? And I think that, you have it in bucket loads, as we say, you know? So…

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Suzanne: At the moment, I'm working on my website. It's not up at the moment, but in time to come very shortly, it should have been ready for today, but it's not. The name of my business is The Prism Approach.

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Suzanne: the PRISM approach.

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Suzanne: And it's about shining a light. My logo is a triangle with a light, like a prism and a light shining through it. And the purpose of it is that when we shine a light.

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Suzanne: And really change our lives. So, at the moment, I can be found on the EAPH website.

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Suzanne: Or people can contact me directly, on my email address.

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Suzanne: Which is su.maid at hotmail.com.

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Suzanne: At the moment.

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Suzanne: Yeah, it's, 087280… 2515.

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Suzanne: That's it.

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Aidan: Wonderful. We'll put all of this up on… on the podcast anyway.

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Aidan: And, I… all I can say is thank you so much, Suzanne.

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Aidan: I really, really enjoyed speaking with you today.

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Aidan: I was looking forward to it, and you certainly have surpassed one of my expectations on the podcast today, so…

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Aidan: That was Suzanne Dennehy from Kerry, in Kelarni, in Kerry, the kingdom.

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Aidan: And, we'll put all the details on the podcast, page, when we get processing it. And, Suzanne, thank you so much.

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Aidan: For joining me here today.

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Suzanne: Thank you so much, Hayden. It's my pleasure.