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So it's"},{"speaker":"Gill Phillips","startTime":2103.57,"endTime":2111.85,"body":"been brilliant talking to you."},{"speaker":"Gill Phillips","startTime":2112.03,"endTime":2114.7,"body":"Thank you for fitting it in"},{"speaker":"Gill Phillips","startTime":2112.03,"endTime":2114.7,"body":"after putting your children to"},{"speaker":"Gill Phillips","startTime":2114.7,"endTime":2117.52,"body":"bed even though it took longer"},{"speaker":"Gill Phillips","startTime":2114.7,"endTime":2117.52,"body":"than we thought and that's life"},{"speaker":"Gill Phillips","startTime":2117.52,"endTime":2120.55,"body":"and that's brilliant and that's"},{"speaker":"Gill Phillips","startTime":2117.52,"endTime":2120.55,"body":"real. So thank you so much"},{"speaker":"Gill Phillips","startTime":2120.55,"endTime":2120.88,"body":"Leanne."},{"speaker":"Leanne Howlett","startTime":2120.88,"endTime":2121.9,"body":"Thank you Gill."},{"speaker":"Gill Phillips","startTime":2122.47,"endTime":2124.99,"body":"Okay, speak soon."},{"speaker":"Gill Phillips","startTime":2122.47,"endTime":2124.99,"body":"Bye"}]}