BEYOND THE SCANDAL: DARK SECRETS of PLAYBOY: THE UNTOLD STORIES OF HUGH HEFNER and THE MANSION

 What happens when the truth behind Hugh Hefner and the Playboy Mansion comes to light? We're joined by incredible guests who lived and worked at the Mansion - Audra Lynn, Miss October 2003, Brian Olea, a 20-year veteran butler and events coordinator, and Josh Friedman, Hef's private bartender for 14 years. They're here to set the record straight and share their first-hand experiences of life inside the luxurious estate, revealing the man behind the controversial legacy.

Together, we discuss the allegations based on Jennifer Saginaur's book, which has been used as a foundation for many claims against Hef and the Mansion. Our guests tell us their stories, shining a light on the true character of Hugh Hefner as a feminist, civil rights advocate, and loving father. We also explore the importance of speaking out against false narratives and the dangers of cancel culture.

Listen in as we tackle misconceptions surrounding the Playboy Mansion, from the supposed nudity and drug use to the treatment of women by Hef himself. We hear from Audra, Brian, and Josh, Corinna and Echo as they paint a picture of a man who enforced strict rules to create a safe environment for all.
 
Alexandra Dean and the group of female producers behind the disgusting and salacious narrative of "WHO" Hugh Hefner was, clearly had an agenda from the beginning. That agenda was to craft, cultivate and spread a false narrative about one of the most prolific historical icons the world has ever seen; by attaching his name, his character and the iconic company he built PLAYBOY Magazine to the  #METOO MOVEMENT. 

Hugh Hefner WAS NOT and IS NOT a SEXUAL PREDATOR, as the females in the docuseries are claiming.  We "THE PLAYBOY FAMILY" stand with HEF. We know the truth. Don't miss this eye-opening episode that challenges the narratives we've been told and reveals the reality behind Hugh Hefner and his iconic Mansion.

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Speaker 1: Okay, hello everybody. Hi, Corinna, I want to answer to this guest a little background on who's who and then we will get started with the conversation that I know everybody wants to talk about. 

Speaker 2: She's a beautiful Audra Lynn. She was Miss October well, miss October 2003, and she loves muscle cars. She's a badass. I watched a video with her today and she's adorable And those hemi motors are no joke. Zero to 60 in four seconds, yeah. So she has a company called Famous Skincare for Dogs and she is loves to show dogs and and she just one reserve best in show with one of her dogs And she was very close with Holly and Bridget and lived at the mansion at one point. So we're going to get to that And our second guest here up on the right hand of your screen, there in in bed with each other. 

Speaker 2: We're having technical difficulties So we had to. You know he had to go to thank God they're both in LA because then he had to go over there and and there they are, which works out perfect. Brian Brian on the right, and he was 20 years at the Playboy Mansion as a butler And he then he headed up all events at the mansion And Brian also had a wildly successful show on Playboy Radio that he hosted for seven and a half years And he has a one like an awesome, awesome company called Thunder Wolf production production incorporated. It's an eight management and events production company. So he does all of the things he used to do at the mansion and it's on a meticulous level. So if you ever need anything done out there in LA as far as productive events and production. 

Speaker 2: And then we have Josh Friedman and he's in my arena. That I love, but he was 14 years Hef's private bartender on the weekends for 14 years, so he has a lot of insight on on things and he has 125 credits to his name If you check him out on IMDB and they had the hard job of first AD, if anybody knows about that, and a long list of credits there. So he's he's a film. You know, big wig. 

Speaker 3: If I can jump in real quick though, just so that way. Things are misunderstood out there A lot of times, like people will say, like head of all events, we had a huge events team. I was just blessed to be part of that events The mansion. It was a huge team, it was a huge team effort. So I just never want things to be misconstrued to where like you know, I wasn't the main guy that did everything. 

Speaker 4: That goes for me as the bartender. See, I did all the parties, but there was a small handful of us authorized bartender for Hefner on the weekends. Small number of the only people on the planet. 

Speaker 2: The fact that you're both saying that you know, you understand, everything's a team effort. You weren't at playboy for two months and you're not on some show secrets of playboy and you were at playboy for two months and somehow had all of these incredible salacious stories. 

Speaker 5: So I just love that, you guys are humble and honest. 

Speaker 2: And you know, hey, it was, it's an army that that company, you know. 

Speaker 4: It takes a village. It takes a village, yes. 

Speaker 1: Yeah, the living breathing brand, as Karina always likes to say, and there are so many people you know That were in the backside, you know that were all equally responsible for, you know, running that company and being there for making it as amazing as it was, you know, from the mansion just to playboy corporate itself. And the biggest testament to these wonderful guests that we keep having on our show is the amount of time that they spent at playboy. Last season, karina and I interviewed, you know, bunch of people with the photographers and creative art directors and staff writers and all kinds of stuff, and the minimum amount of time somebody was there was like 12 years and the max was 55. So that's huge And that just speaks volumes to you know, the company and to Hugh Hefner. 

Speaker 1: Before we get into the full roundtable conversation regarding the ill thought out trash piece A&E documentary series, karina and I want to make a statement just to kind of let you know where we're coming from and about its subject matter. So you know our podcast can be categorized into many different arenas It's history, it's autobiographical personal experience and, yeah, entertainment for sure. And with that said, we take this very seriously and we can account for every piece of content we've discussed as being factual and true, and we are not here to bash Holly Madison and Sandra Theodore, mickey Garcia and Jennifer Saginaur, but we are definitely going to talk about the group of female producers that are behind this And it's just so. It's just so bizarre because they are basing this whole series off of Jennifer Saginaur's book, which was all bullshit, and Karina's going to read a letter here in a second that was drafted by Hef when the book was published in 2014. 

Speaker 1: And the fact that these women are okay with spinning this narrative and really, you know, didn't seem to do any sort of, you know, fact checking and or research into who Hugh Hefner was and what he represented and the kind of person that he was, and it's so freaking unnerving. It makes me so mad and I know it makes everybody so mad, because the Me Too movement and sexual violence is a very, very real, real thing. So the fact that these women Alexander Dean, who's the executive producer, and Sarah Moshman, who is another one who contacted me a month ago and I'll tell you about that later, but I never have it on behalf of all of us at Playboy It's just bizarre. It's bizarre and it doesn't make sense and it totally invalidates real victims, and that's the problem that we have And you know obviously that's how to get sexual predator. 

Speaker 1: It's, it's, it's I mean there's no word for it because we all know furthest thing from the truth. You know, to have that attached to Hugh Hefner's like no. And so what they're about is the cancel culture And that's that's what they're here to do. And I'm sorry people, but you cannot cancel Hugh Hefner. He is so responsible for so many things in this world today that he was a part of that. He implemented and, you know, made a path for so many people And he stood for First Amendment rights. He stood for civil rights, total feminists, totally in support of women, and it's just laughable that this is what they're focusing on. Is these four women that are the foremost irrelevant characters of the whole Playboy legacy? 

Speaker 2: Every time in history. If you really think about this in America's history, because you, it's it's beyond irresponsible for one thing to sit and people are painting a narrative and they really are And when you say, cancel culture, it's terrifying to think that anybody at any time, because what they do and I say they because there's multiple organizations that I'm not even going to sit because I know we want to do it, because I know we want to talk to Audra and we want to talk to everyone, but at the end of the day, something's going on right now where nobody wants to even speak out. Everybody jumps on board And you, and then you're ostracized. If, if you have a different story because it doesn't suit the narrative or the organization, and what's so scary is it's not, it doesn't mean that it's true And and we can't sit here. And if it's it's so delicate, it's very delicate, because that you know, everyone will say this is their truth, it's their truth. But I want people to look closer, because is it? and who's meant? I'm sorry, i'm just going to throw it out there Who's mentally ill and maybe regretful and and just saying things, and then they skew it and edited a certain way. I mean this is happening And we do have to talk about it, and that's what we're here to talk about, because we're not going to sit and gossip about anybody. 

Speaker 2: That's what Echo and I have always said. But we do want to hear everyone else's truth. We want to hear everybody else's story, and we do. I know Josh has some sound bites for us. We do want to. There were things that I watched and I'm only on episode six of the secrets of Playboy, this A&E thing, and I already caught. I mean, i can write my mind, i can think of two solid lies And and I'm sure more than that, because it was nonstop that I'm like what? that's not true, that's not true, that's not true. And if all of us are doing this, we've got to start talking about it, and that's what we're here to do. 

Speaker 1: And, and you know to touch on that, karina finding out just recently I don't know if it was I think Brian, you're the one who told me that it was based, loosely based, on Jennifer Sagunor's book, which I didn't know. So, karina, will you read that letter that has Yeah. 

Speaker 2: So when her book came out, which was in 2014, i believe, and she was and and again. And this is where we're going to say when you said we're factual, no fact, check us if you hear something that isn't isn't right, because I'm I'm just, you know, i'm just the messenger here but playboy boss Hugh Hefner has attacked and it says attacked again that strong language but he, i would say he didn't attack, he was responding and defending himself because he was alive to do so. That's another thing. I know you guys think the same way She's. He's attacked the daughter of his former doctor, which Dr Sagunor was there with. Have you know this, brian and all of us? I mean, he was always with Hugh Hefner and was his personal doctor for years and years. So this is we're talking about the daughter of that claimed that she grew up at the magazine editor's famous home home, home be Hills, california mansion. In her new book, this was 2014. Hefner insists. 

Speaker 2: Jennifer Sagunar's new book, a Childhood Lost inside the Playboy Mansion, is full of lies and readers shouldn't believe she grew up among naked playmates and drunk celebrities. Hefner states she didn't grow up at the Playboy Mansion. She visited the Playboy Mansion on a number of occasions with her father And he's particularly upset by claims in the book that Sagunar's first visit to the mansion when she was six included an early taste of celebrity excess and pornography He fumed. The references to her very first visit are clearly untrue. They were. They refer to John Belushi at a time when Belushi was not here, long before I met him. Belushi and I first met after I hosted Saturday Night Live in October of 1977, two years after what she's referring to. 

Speaker 2: She refers to turning on a television set on that afternoon on her first visit and seeing people having sex on the Playboy Channel. Well, playboy TV didn't exist until 1982. So he refuted, and those things are. You know, i, I, just I, i'm going to stand with Hef and that's what we are all saying. I stand with Hef. And on A&E they did reenactments that showed a little baby girl, you know, a six year old, on the steps watching orgies from the staircase. I mean that's crazy, that's crazy. 

Speaker 4: Just ridiculous. The dramatized, highly dramatized moments that you saw young Jennifer looking, i mean they were, i mean even badly produced. I mean it was just, it was pathetic, is what it was. 

Speaker 1: Josh, why don't you guys them talk about? because you did have interaction with Alexander Dean, as all of us did. I know that she contacted every single one. My playmate sisters had spoke to her and she had Done a documentary the Hedy Lamar story and Karina and I loved that documentary and so when she said that That was her, i was like, oh yeah, totally So, karina and I. Last July, when we were in the studio recording our first season, i was still talking to them at that point and said, hey, why don't you come into the studio? Karina and I will both be there. You can see what we're doing there, interview us there. It'd be great cross-promotion. And they're like, oh yeah, that would be great. Well, no, they didn't come, because we now know why, because that we were not on the same context With them. But you guys tell us your story about that and and, like you knew, you're like something's up. 

Speaker 4: Open it up. By coincidence, my sister actually used to date Jennifer Saginaw, so through, so she knew who I was. And then, through, i was contacted by her initially and And she was telling me about this great thing that we're gonna be doing about half and, you know, would you like to maybe be involved? So I said, well, this sounds interesting. How about? you know I can, brian and I are friends. I he's somebody you definitely want to talk to. I'll give him a call and Put you know. So I got Brian and then when they reached out and Brian started finding you know, talking to If gender or Jennifer, i don't know which producer. 

Speaker 3: I know it wasn't Jennifer. It was when I was reached out and Josh had actually given me a call prior. Yeah, i said, hey, i just got in this conversation. They're gonna do this really cool documentary on half dude. I mentioned again that you know, hey, they should reach out to you, yeah, and then I go and I'm like, oh, yeah, it's something to you know, something cool. You know I loved him, so I'm absolutely So. 

Speaker 3: Then I got the phone call on the Josh and told me I would receive, and when I was asking about I said, okay, before I do this, because you know where there are NDAs that have been signed, there are some loopholes to that. Like you know, you mentioned, i had a show on Playboy radio for seven and a half years, so therefore I was Granted permission to talk about things that happened with the, the mansion, in light of the, the, the charity, you know, the philanthropy that that mr Hepburn was doing, and so I was given rights to go ahead and do interviews and things like that I got permission from, actually, mr Haftner and Mary O'Connor, so I said, okay. So what's his documentary about? because has it been sanctioned by Playboy Right, right away? I wanted to know because, as well as you know where, where is this going. 

Speaker 3: And then they mentioned Oh well, have you read or know about the book from Jennifer Sagan, or? and I went, wait a minute, yeah, i know about that and I automatically said I go, you know that's all fabrication, right? I mean, have even spoke out about it Everyone. I'm friends with doc, you know. Matter of fact, i helped coordinate his wedding. I'm really good friends with doc and no yeah so. 

Speaker 3: So I know there were trouble or something going on And I don't want to get into people's personal stuff. Just there was some troubles there on their own side and I said I Got to really think about this. Got another phone call, said it Hey, we really love to do this interview, we love, and I go. You know what, if it's based anything or connected to the book, i want nothing to do with it. And I pulled out, called Josh ASAP and he go, dude, something's wrong. This isn't gonna be good. I think it's gonna be a hit piece. I go, i just could feel it. I could hear the way they were asking Well, you know, we're really trying to get deeper that no one ever Ever gone to and I heard this from other people there was asking the same stuff. You know what I mean. You any really good solution? 

Speaker 4: I'm not gonna be part of something like that All I needed was to hear from Brian, and that's all I needed, because I know, you know, if he says this isn't, this shouldn't fly or we shouldn't be involved, we're not, you know. 

Speaker 1: So one Entending correct No idea, until I guess they kind of slighted us and not come into the studio. But this is interesting too. One month ago I had another one of the producers her name is Sarah Moshman Send me an email. And she's like hi, i'm so and so and perhaps you've heard of the any jock you series and any blues, and that's so much. They're gonna do eight more shows and we want to send her on your voices. 

Speaker 1: And so I played dumb and I was like Oh yeah, i want to be a part of it, call me. So she called me and I reported the conversation and I heard her out And then she's like would you like to be a part of this? and I said I took a deep breath Which, if anybody who knows me, was actually really Amazing, because I go from zero to a hundred real quick. But I was like no, no, no, we all know exactly what you're doing. It is wrong, it is disgusting and it is false. 

Speaker 1: And then I asked her did you do any research into Test philanthropy? Do you know anything about him? like at all? and she kind of you know, started stumbling and she was like Well, yeah, yeah, i mean like, of course, you know, like we're gonna, we're gonna touch on that, but you know, we really want to center on your voices. And I was like no, i was like cream and I have an amazing platform and we stand with her and that's what we're gonna do. And Before I hung up, she's like well, can you tell me about the playmates that took their own lives? and I was like talking about. 

Speaker 2: So she named She had endometriosis and accidental overdose. I knew her and it made me mad, this lady you. I had the same conversation with her and she kept saying, oh, suicides, suicides. 

Speaker 1: And I was like women the best Our lives were playboy and I know it was she said analytical Smith, and then Stephanie Adams and I said Unfortunately, have horrible management from the get-go. And she was fed drugs forever and the week before she passed Her son had just died the day that she delivered her baby girl. So that has nothing to do with playboy. And Stephanie Adams jumped out of the 47th floor in New York City with her Four-year-old in her arms because her ex wouldn't let her take him to Europe. She's a psychopath. That again, has nothing to do with playboy. So your narrative is wrong and it is disgusting and you are not going to cancel. She was never, ever. 

Speaker 2: I would love to hear Audra's Audra's take in her story Um your experience at playboy, because that's what we really want to talk about. I well, first off. 

Speaker 5: I want to say that I Did not watch it because I won't watch it and I won't support it. I've seen some of the articles that have come out and it's like Line after line. I'm like that's not true. That's not true. Drugs all around the mansion. Pep wasn't into drugs and and cocaine and everything You know. You know the CIA investigated him for cocaine and found nothing. If the CIA didn't find anything, They didn't do any research on that, yeah, nothing, high on it. 

Speaker 4: And. 

Speaker 5: I lived at the mansion two different times. I lived there two weeks after Holly had moved in And then I lived there again while the girls next door was filming and That man was the nicest, kindest, most gracious and generous person I've ever met and I watched and I was really good friends with Holly and Bridget. I mean I saw Holly had nothing but love for him. She followed him all around. She was so into everything that he did um, he made her um Part of the magazine where she got to do the centerfolds. Didn't she kind of take over? For, like Marilyn Grabowski, like an editor, he tried to lift her up and do so much for her. 

Speaker 5: And it really hurts me to see These things come out, because I was there and and I know what happened, i know what didn't, and you know, the second time that I I moved in to the mansion I went through Holly and and you know, and In LA, a lot of doors open for us. You know we're we're a very exclusive bunch of girls and some of those doors are great and some of those doors are tragic and Unfortunately I went through a bad door and I needed help. I went to Holly and I told her what was happening. And, uh, she talked to heff and heff moved me in immediately And he moved me into the main house instead of the house across the street because of what I had going on and I had a German shepherd and so I got to live in the main house and I saw everything that happened there. I mean, he was a complete gentleman. 

Speaker 5: I also know that he did a lot for Sex trafficking. He did a ton of stuff for children of the night which um Help children that were being sex trafficked. I know Brian has a lot more to talk, i think about that. I know that he was in touch with the FBI trying to help Um girls that were approached or or got blackmailed into Sex trafficking and he he did a lot to try to help people and he was always there for women. You look at his staff and most of his staff was Women and they worked for him for years and years. I mean, look at mario connor, you know, if he was such a horrible person, do you think that these women would stick by him like they have? 

Speaker 2: and you were in danger. Basically, you're in in danger and Was there to protect you. 

Speaker 3: The reason I wanted to do this and it. It just because when I was first reached out and then I got I'm glad that you said echo, you reached out to like a month ago. I was too Just a month, just a month ago got reached back out. Hi, i don't know if you've been seeing, but you know We're gonna be adding more episodes and you know I know you said you didn't want to be part at the beginning But, man, we'd really love to get your take and everything. I went off. I went how dare you? I go? I warned you back then. 

Speaker 3: You guys need to fact check this stuff, look into it. You're getting duped and if you are going to follow this narrative, there are so many people that are going to come out. Get ready for a lawsuit against you guys. I go because you guys have been throwing, throwing trash at a man that can't even defend himself. But here's the thing There were so many of us that were around during all those different decades, yeah, and so it's kind of hard for me. And now this is all I'm saying. I like everyone has their truth, right, and that's what everyone's saying. Like everyone has their truth. You weren't behind every door, brian. You didn't see every little thing and I go. True, i'm not saying I saw every little thing behind every door, but I can tell you this a person can't hide who they really are. Yeah, okay, and When I hear about, like you know, the Harvey Weinstein's or up, i hear about the Bill Cosby's It's an Ellen DeGeneres which everyone thought was America's sweetheart and all of a sudden, people that worked with her Start coming out saying, actually, you know, she was like this, she was like that. 

Speaker 3: You don't hear that about heft staff. You know about the playboy staff. I mean we're all like going. What are they talking about? This man who said please to everything, thank you to everything, was always so gracious, making sure that he took care of women. We were instructed to make sure that every single Playmate, every woman that was on the property, was treated with such respect. We looked out for them. I can't tell how many parties were sitting there looking around and go, wait a minute. Someone just, uh, someone just tried to touch that playmates. A bunny tail, bam, call security, bam, and they're out. 

Speaker 3: Yeah, so When I? so when I talk, yeah, so when I that phone call, i just went off and I said, how dare you? I go, don't, don't ever call me back. This is disgusting. What you have done is you. You're literally, like I said, trashed a man They can't depend himself. But get ready, because there are so many more people that are going to come out and start telling Their truth of a man that we loved, respected, and I and I say this, hefter Never was a liar. He was exactly who he was. Yeah, he said exactly what he his philosophy was, what he believed in. You knew it. It wasn't a trick. You know what I mean. So it's not like these people were coming to church, yeah, and like Brian, just say what's the boy boy mansion. 

Speaker 4: You know He said you can't, it's. You can't hide who you are and you know, especially over time, because you find that behavior a lot harder to get a get away with. And guess what? especially You're a public figure, dare I say the public figure. So you're not going to be hiding any, anything like that. If that's your true nature, you're not hiding that over time It's going to come out, it's going to rise to the surface, like it did for the predators like Weinstein and Cosby. Yeah, so where's? 

Speaker 3: this monster that they're trying to pitch exactly. You know they're trying to depict this monster. It's like We never saw this monster. 

Speaker 2: I'm like you know, i'll tell you what a cleanup team is. When one of the players I won't even mention Did claim that things happened at the mansion. And what does hef do? he calls in the fbi. I mean, hef was above the line and if you would call in the fbi to investigate things for people, obviously he wasn't afraid of getting in trouble for anything and Anything that was in and every any. You knew what he was. That's what the beauty is. You know. You knew what he was exactly. 

Speaker 5: I have a question for you ladies. So did either one of you guys had to sleep with hef to get to be a centerfold? Nope, Because I know I didn't. No and I. And here's the deal. 

Speaker 2: You know, a lot of women were very attracted to hef and they wanted to and they approached him and and, if you right, i never and and I was Comfortable and I never saw him as a creeper at all, and everyone I know who even dated him and slept with them because they wanted to. We'll tell you what it just. Brandy was one that's very open and loved him. Kimberly bill, as his ex-wife loved him. Everyone did so. 

Speaker 2: We're gonna hear this, just like Brian said, more and more, everyone's story of who hef really was And and it and it's at this point, it really is the principle, because a public lie, it's an ugly thing And it's to me shame on you, shame on you for going on and why didn't you say it? Why didn't you say it then? Why didn't you press charges then Cleanup team and all these things that they're saying? I'm on episode six And it is. I'm so mad, i get so angry that I'm like I can't. Are people watching this? I think these, for one thing, i think that these people are mentally ill. Another thing it's not OK to lie, it's not. 

Speaker 5: OK, there needs to be consequences for lies when there's no proof, otherwise anybody could say anything about anybody at any time. How does this stop? 

Speaker 2: Y'all. Audra, we're in trouble because, yes, we have second amendment rights, but it's like our Constitution, the Constitution of the United States of America is only as good as its people. And you know what? I'm not going to get into the whole moral issue because, at the end of the day, hep had a lifestyle you may or may not have agreed with, but the principle was honesty. Like Brian said, there were certain virtues that he did have that hold up the Constitution Honesty, integrity, and he had all of those things where he wouldn't have been able to run an empire the way he did or have a system that worked, and so all of these things that they're saying. And Mickey Garcia lied And to me, if you lie, you're not credible. If I catch you with one lie, you're not credible to me. And Mickey Garcia said that every playmate of the year she said this on Secrets of Playboy A&A every playmate of the year. Do you think they just got playmate of the year? for no reason? You know what. Whatever, i know why I did it. 

Speaker 3: You know if I can jump in real quick, I just want to state that, like we're saying, many people are going to start speaking up And I think this is what we need to do. You look, we're not writing a book. 

Speaker 4: No, we're not promoting a book at all. 

Speaker 3: We've got nothing to sell here. Yeah, where are you going? You know, when this first thing came out right and it started coming out and I started to, i actually sat down and watched the whole thing. I had been getting phone call after text after phone call. Oh my god, they said this. They said that I had a friend of mine said it all up for me to be able to go over to go watch it, because I just don't do cable. So he had it set up and I said you know what? I've heard enough, i can't do this. 

Speaker 3: I think what needs to be done is I don't really want to promote people to go watch this trash, but I do want to encourage people to start speaking up. There are enough people out there that know their story of what Mr Hefter was like to them, just like Audre. You talk about how he protected you and brought you into the home. Audre's not the only one, there's others. I'm not going to go name any people, but they know who they are Per person that have reached out to him and said they're in a down and out place and all of a sudden, next thing, you know, they got a bedroom And guess what? They didn't sleep with them. They weren't a girlfriend, they were just helping them out. 

Speaker 4: Let me jump in here and say that I knew something was going to happen. I knew we had to speak out about this. Someone would be eventually. So I'm of the thought if I'm going to speak out again something I got to know my enemy, if you will. So I have watched every episode And I'll take the slap in the face of lies for everybody here. Man, it seems to be getting a little worse and worse and more ridiculous as the episodes go on, And I have it on good authority. I haven't seen it myself, But apparently spoiler alert for you when watching the show, The final episode is seeing it's. Their big reveal is that Heff's love of his life was actually Doc Saginore and they were gay lovers the entire time. What, What. 

Speaker 3: What, what. 

Speaker 1: OK, all right. 

Speaker 3: Let's close. Hop on, hop on, hop on. 

Speaker 1: OK. 

Speaker 3: Let's try. All right, ladies, ladies. 

Speaker 4: Can you drop that What? No spoiler alert OK. 

Speaker 3: So, ladies, do you know. 

Speaker 1: OK, fricking crazy. 

Speaker 3: Love Doc. Yeah, you know, I want to point out So what Josh has said. I did a show also for you know, we all know Jessica Hall, right, and she does her show Flashbacks, yeah, and I reached out to Jenna I go, man, because Inside Edition. I got and reached out through another person. They were going to do an interview with Inside Edition. Then I knew something was up too, because they were going to film on one day a playmate and people involved with Playboy back in the 70s, 80s, and then they were going to do us like 90s. But then we had Allison. 

Speaker 3: Yeah, allison Reynolds, who's been, you know, was one of F sec social secretaries and has known Heff, his personal friend, for like 40 years. And all of a sudden our day got cut and see, allison had been recorded for this show for like two days And she said, brian, it's weird, they recorded me for two days and yet they've used like a sentence or two. And so some didn't seem right and they kept pressuring to try to come up with dirt. So Allison and Joel did the show with me on Jessica's and that's when Joel brought out. 

Speaker 4: It's exactly what we're talking about. Joel is credited for bringing that big spoiler alert out, because I haven't seen the episode yet So I can't speak out against it technically. But I get Right, joel will know. 

Speaker 3: And then, and then, and then also did the show at the first part is with Isabella St James and Renee bio, who was Renee Sloan at the time. They were girlfriends with him, yeah, okay, and they spoke their truth. And this is where I'm thinking Oh man, i'm just encouraging everyone. Please, you're out there. This is not a Harvey Weinstein. This is not a Bill Cosby BS. We are speaking up for a man that we truly, 100% knew. We live, we saw this man almost on a daily basis. 

Speaker 3: Okay, and you have your stories, like Allison Reynolds, my gosh, you hear what she knows of this man. You know Allison Joel, i mean, the list goes on. I'm just encouraging everyone speaking out, you know, because people need to make up their own determination. I'm not here to tell you that's a lie or that's a lie. I misspoke when I did do the show and I said I'm just sick of all these lies because I'm really hurt. I'm hurting that they're doing this to this man that we all loved and know behind the scenes of what he did, all the good things he did, and so what I'm really saying is okay, put two and two together, start investigating. It's just like you don't go turning on the news and just because the news said it, it's true. And then all of a sudden they're retracting and giving you like Oh well, we kind of outspoken that, but we already threw it out there. We're sorry, oops. 

Speaker 4: That's the world we live in. I was further upset to learn that. I was further upset to learn that a lot of us from the era the recent era at least the Playboy we're all interviewed. I didn't know they were ever. They did get to a lot of people and guess what? None of those interviews are used, oh no you can't do the good stuff Can't do that. This is otherwise. you don't have you know, a smear pan pan. 

Speaker 5: You don't have any space. They reached out to them over and over again and never heard a word. I'm surprised that they even called you guys, but I guess they probably wouldn't want me, because I lived there at the time that that Holly was there And I also wrote the New York Times and I find it interesting that the New York, new York Times, not New York Times, the LA Times Sorry, the LA Times They didn't. They didn't do any justice there either, and it's like how many of us wrote in there. 

Speaker 4: Yeah, i was involved, i was interviewed. There's a lot of us, but I think what they were doing Amy Kaufman of the Times was trying to give a balanced. I think that was her approach to it, but I think things were like, maybe heard more on the other side to that. But, that being said, it was still something. You know, we're this, us standing together and talking about happening to people who knew it. We've got, we've got some attention already. I mean, look, we're sitting here right now and and you know I'm going to keep, i will stay on this train until the episodes are done airing. We all just look back or forget about it. Let it fizzle out and fail on its own. 

Speaker 2: It does suck, but one of the things we were talking about yesterday. Brian had told me on the Butler episode I was so excited to look it up because I hadn't followed the HMH Foundation. I was really excited about it because I love, you know, have philanthropy work that we all want to concentrate on. So Brian tells me about it and yesterday I said where is that website? 

Speaker 2: Because I mean the Instagram account and I went to the Instagram account and I said, is this it? And he, he started freaking out. He's like everything's gone. This is weird, because I wanted to look at his scrapbooking, because it is fascinating Scrapbooking was incredible. 

Speaker 2: Yes, and they removed all of it. Whoever's in control of the HMH Foundation? there's not one photo of HEP, hep, except the, the main photo, and, and you know, the captions were all great, everything that I saw. You know if you pretty much stand for second of, i mean First Amendment rights, but the thing that was so crazy is I mean, you wonder, are things just being scrubbed and it is a comic. 

Speaker 5: But listen, it happened to the children of the night too. All of his, he. he got awards from them. All of that scrubbed, Yeah Oh. 

Speaker 4: God, sorry, but if we're doing all the parties over the years and Brian, of course, you know a lot of these major events 75% of those are cherry events and fundraisers. Yes, wildlife, waste Station, wounded Warriors, the list goes on, yeah. 

Speaker 2: Nothing's on on. He never bragged about it. He just did the right thing and that's important to talk about, because it's easier for people to erase someone, especially if he wasn't adamant about having his name on things, which he wasn't. He understood the brand, he understood how to separate the brand from certain organizations, but he would give, and that's a beautiful thing And a lot of people would put his name. But at the end of the day, the point is he was not a villain and and all of us there are so many of us holding hands here saying no, no, he was not a villain, he was not a monster. 

Speaker 2: Family They're bringing up Charles Manson weirdness. It's like it was a family, but those are things and this is what is so the opposite of journalism, when you take something and you just paint something and put it in Oh, the family He always talked about the family just because Manson did, does not mean that he was like Charles Manson, like and, and people are this ignorant that you have and that's why we're speaking out You have young people that are just like yeah, yeah, how awful a monster, and look what he did to Holly and blah, blah, blah, and and it's wrong, and that's why we're here. 

Speaker 5: So Hollywood wouldn't have their Hollywood sign without house. 

Speaker 2: Yes, he refurbished. 

Speaker 5: Right, they wanted to tear it down. He saved it. 

Speaker 2: Yep, he referred and, yeah, brought it back to its original condition. All on, and that was all him, yeah. 

Speaker 5: All out of his pocket Yeah. 

Speaker 3: Well, i just wanted to say what I was going to say is that you know, for for persons that are saying that they have trauma, they were you know what I mean Mis-treated. Why'd you keep going back? Yeah, yeah, why were you excited? You got that invite to go to a party? 

Speaker 3: No, right, it's like you wouldn't go back, but you kept going back, keep going back. So this is where I'm saying for anybody watching this, this whatever you want to call it trash piece look at the stories, listen to people's stories, put two and two together. Just like you know, mr Hefter pointed out in that article about the book Wait a minute. She's saying this happened, but look, that didn't come out till then. Yeah, so she couldn't have been there or said this at this age, or all these things. So when you do those fact checks, you know and I just hate the word fact checking because I can't stand that crap that's going on in the world But what I'm saying is really look for the actual facts, listen to the things, put two and two together And, like I said on the first show, what I did with you guys, you know, bridget Berman did an amazing documentary you know Hugh Hefner, playboy Rebel activist. 

Speaker 3: I think it's still on Netflix Hopefully it's not scrubbed but you know, it shows all the back of so many things that Mr Hefter has done and it's like how are you that person? 

Speaker 4: But all of a sudden it's just as far as the only person, the only people offering testimonies on this show, with the exception of Holly Madison, weren't even there in this millennium. They're from a different. No one has been there since, oh, 1985 or six or 90. No one's been there since then to even speak out, except for Holly. And Holly is just based. Let's face it, she's shoveling the same crap she did in her book And the only way and the best way to go ahead and find out what's bullshit or not is just watch the girls next door. I mean, there's a whole episode, you know. There's a whole episode where she has her, her parts, glazed into a cake to put on top of a cake to offer up as a birthday cake. I mean, jesus Christ, this is not the same woman who's victimized or led into all this shit. I mean, anyway, that's just my take on that, that part. 

Speaker 3: Well, you're right, though. There there was a show that was throughout the world showing what's going on. Yeah, just watch girls next door. 

Speaker 5: Holly was that abused and lived such a horrible life and felt prisoner at the mansion, would they be trying to have Hugh Hefner's baby? The other thing that I find interesting is that when, when somebody left there and was dating Chris Angel and he broke up with her, she needed somewhere to go. And who did she call? Hugh Hefner and who took her in? Hugh Hefner? 

Speaker 2: Sad when you know I always say you should never bite a hand that fed you. And sadly, you know who would you be? Where would you be? Would anyone even know your name? You know maybe a few people, maybe one person, i don't know. Call me crazy, but how are you a piss in the wind and on the radar without Hugh Hefner? So at least give him some gratitude. No, instead you're biting the hand that feeds you. That's why I'm. I'm there, It's just, it's sad, it's all sad. 

Speaker 5: I was really good friends with Crystal Camden, which is one of house girlfriends. Her and I were like inseparable. We went everywhere together. She told me all the stories. You know that that went on and none of that graphic stuff in the bedroom went on either. You know like what they're talking about. But she, she had an issue with bulimia And this cost our friendship for a while. But I went up to Hef and I asked him. I told him about what Crystal was suffering through And he started crying. I mean, this is a man that had so much emotion And he started crying and he grabbed my hands and he's like you're a true friend, i'm going to get her help. And he paid $80,000, $90,000 for her therapy And I want to note that she was not his girlfriend at the time. She had broken up with him and she left and she still needed help And he still helped her. What, what kind of heart is that huge? 

Speaker 2: Wow, it was very, He's very, absolutely. I was always amazed that he would remember my family members' names when we were talking and asked them about them, and of all the people that he knows and I, you know. It's mind blowing how thoughtful he was of everyone. He, yeah, and he did care about the girls. 

Speaker 2: And when you hear these women on the secrets of Playboy. They're bitterness. That's another thing. It's a real bitterness And they have a vendetta for that reason. Didn't get what they wanted in life. I don't know. But some of the things that they say, how, it's very vicious and there's a difference too. Like what are you listening to? It's vicious, gossip, vicious, And I just I think that's what hurts watching it too. It's one thing. If you're really a victim and you're telling your story, that is very emotional. But if you watch them, it's just regret. You know, you just see these. It's a bitterness And they've made bad decisions and they want someone to blame. 

Speaker 5: That's the only thing I can think that that's usually somebody that's upset with themselves. Because me, i mean. I'm a victim of horrible abuse And I have found healing and strength through it And and I've come to terms with it And I forgive the people that did it And I move on And that's in the past And I have to let let go of it And there's no need for the anger and the hate and everything else And it takes away the happiness you know Well that's beautiful. 

Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why you're so beautiful. Still, i mean it and it is. It's probably how you let things affect you in life, because I mean it is. You're a beautiful example of that's that having a forgiving heart, not holding on to things or whatever. But how horrible. You know that you ever had to face anything like that. How awful, and I think that it makes it even more incredible for her. 

Speaker 5: It makes me mad when I face what I have faced And then to know who Hefner truly is deep down in his heart. And I mean I saw that man every single day And if I had any issues or had needed somebody to talk to, i could go and sit and talk to him And he would talk to me And it wouldn't. He wouldn't act like he didn't care about what I was talking about. He was deeply into what I was talking about And he'd take the time out and never rushed me And he was always there for me. And it it's so sad to me to know the people that have abused me that are still out there, just still abusing people, and it's fine. And then somebody that was such a wonderful man get painted as what these other people really are. 

Speaker 2: Calling him a monster, sandra. I mean Sandra, i felt sad for her that again, i'm not caught up like Josh's with these episodes, but I was watching her and she I thought it made me sad for her. And she's and she's showing these pictures of this wonderful life she had when she was Hefner's girlfriend. And you know, teach your children, teach your girls to say no And if they don't want something, they don't have to go that road. And and clearly she wanted to. That's what's so weird to me And and all of us. It's like you made that decision, you're the one that entered whatever. You know you want to say his private bedroom, life or whatever. And and to me it's like, yeah, look at yourself in the mirror. Why are you blaming, calling him a monster, that's it And it. It's just mind blowing. It's mind blowing when there are monsters like Audra has faced monsters. We've all faced certain monsters, real ones, real ones. And yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't add up, it just doesn't Yeah. 

Speaker 4: Like I said, don't get me started on some of this stuff. I know, I know, I know. 

Speaker 2: I mean we may be watching mental illness. 

Speaker 3: That's a real thing. 

Speaker 2: We may be watching you And, sadly, that's almost sadistic to put mentally ill people on a show and legitimize it. I mean, i don't know, call me crazy, maybe I'm mentally ill. 

Speaker 5: Well, I heard the animal one too, And granted, I wasn't there but have loved animals so much like that whole thing just like blows my mind, because animals are a half's life. There's, there's no way. 

Speaker 3: I just think A&E should be ashamed of themselves And I told that to the person that called me. I go, you should be ashamed of yourselves. But what happened to the original A&E that I remember back doing? Oh yeah, i was part of the inside the Playboy Mansion docu-series I mean documentary that they did for that And I go A&E used to shoot and I go what? So you wait till the man has passed And now you're going to try to create this dirt and dig this dirt? I go, you didn't do any fact checking on any of this stuff. Did you ask other people that were around then? Or at least put those people and let them speak their truths? Like we said, like, like, like Allison had told me she was interviewed for two days, two days. 

Speaker 4: This would have never have happened if HEP was still alive. 

Speaker 1: It's true, you never And then and then at the end of the I don't think they had this on the first show that came out, but they did put that disclaimer at the end I, and I kind of think they did that after the letter came out because they were just completely attacked, but it Things over decades by Hugh Hefner and others associated with him. The vast majority Have not been the subject of Criminal investigations or charges and they do not constitute proof or guilt along with the 1-800 number for true victims of sexual assault, which does not apply to any of those women. 

Speaker 2: It's like Well, they're admitting that they're lying, but we want everybody to believe it anyway. I mean, what in the world has have we come to? Do people out there understand that? 

Speaker 5: when you were, Hef's girlfriend that you got free cars, you got all of your bills paid for, your health insurance paid for a limited plastic surgery. I He told Holly she was beautiful the way she was and she was so fixated and even She would stand and look at all the pictures that he'd have on the wall and she'd pick about her nose And I'm like your nose is beautiful, you know. But I'm like Your nose is beautiful, you know. But he's like whatever makes you happy. And he kept shilling out money to have more stuff done And you know he he did so many wonderful things, a thousand dollars in cash a week for them. He'd give them allowances for Events, red carpet events they got to do. 

Speaker 2: That's so abusive. I'm sorry, you know I Get sad because we're this spoiled in America I mean right now, ukraine, you can't even. It's mind-blowing what people really go through in life and for you to be wow, wow, wow. I was on a ship and not allowed to leave a room, or wow, wow, wow. Somebody said my hair looked bad. You know Their lives. I have a really interesting factoid about that. 

Speaker 1: Bill Farley shared it with me just recently that heff in the 80s was on the top ten list of people to be assassinated and That's why he stayed at the man. 

Speaker 2: And he's concerned and protecting you because he's an icon and this is what's. Ignorant and sad people don't understand that. Hello, he has people that will kidnap you. 

Speaker 4: I'll wait a minute. And then, of course, they are complaining about the nine o'clock curfew. I'm sorry, but Clock in those nights you wouldn't want to be anywhere else. 

Speaker 2: Everyone that came in, whether it was corporate, whether it was playmate, whether on all levels. One of the things I remember clearly is You know, heff does not allow drugs. I don't know if you guys thought that does not, it is. There is not even a question about it and And so. And I wasn't into drugs, so I thought it was funny, i was like, but it also made me because I was young and I you know It was all a new world to me, but I felt comfortable right away. I was like, oh good, no drugs. Because everything that you ever hear about playboy and all of the salacious things and you know He had the wild parties in the 70s and you know you hear all of these things Coming in as a young girl You're like, oh my gosh, i'm, you know that, what is this gonna be like? and it was none of those things. That's just my experience. 

Speaker 5: It was Amazing and I mean they did their own thing You know there was there's. 

Speaker 2: obviously you have a free will decision to do whatever you want, but I just remember that I remember them saying you know one of the things that have this really against and it was because of that whole Cocaine scandal. So he really watched his piece with that and wouldn't allow Those things and got the word out. So you know, that's what's so bizarre. It it things that my own and I'm just end up, you know, i feel like I'm a nobody, but it I Those were my personal experiences. I was like no. 

Speaker 5: I remember him, mm-hmm. 

Speaker 2: It like literally no drugs and they're acting like he was a drug addict and they were drug. They do in the series. They say that they're drug Wow. 

Speaker 5: And even the nudity. 

Speaker 5: You guys are out the playboy mansion. Yeah, you could go topless around the pool, but if, if the butlers came up and stuff You're supposed to cover yourself, or the butlers were not supposed to look at you And he didn't want you running around completely naked or any of that stuff, you weren't allowed in that house naked like Sunless. You know, we were all models so we didn't want tan lines. So he understood that the topless and if it wasn't for that, I don't even know if he would have us in it. 

Speaker 2: You know, topless around there He was the most security I've ever seen in my life. Yeah. 

Speaker 4: I Yeah the parties. 

Speaker 3: I can. I can speak on that, audra, about the nudity for the girls, right. So you gotta remember there was the playboy mansion. That was the East, it would. It was the fantasy, right. It's just like whatever stays in Vegas stays, or happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas. So, whatever happens, the playboy man, it's the fantasy, right? People see all the Different clips of parties and people all laying out at the pool. Yeah, guys, those were all set up. Most of the time it was a family home. 

Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a family home On a regular basis. 

Speaker 3: Yeah and I go, but but on these special times we want to promote something. That's what we did brought the girls in, set it all up lights, camera, boom. It was part of creating the mystique, but this is what I could say about. But about nudity, right? So yes, yes the girls were not running around. 

Speaker 5: Yeah, you're right. 

Speaker 3: They actually did tan on the deep end of the pool and there was a giant tree Remember the big giant redwood? and the big giant redwood was never knocked down, not only because it was one of the original trees from the mansion, but it blocked any of the staff being able to look across and These girls could have their privacy. And that's where you know, like you say no tan lines, they tan in the back. Here's the weird part. Right, we all knew the girls were coming in running around naked, but all of a sudden, holly started doing this. Yeah, it was uncomfortable. 

Speaker 3: We're all staff going, what is she doing? and literally walking in Completely start naked. And we're like going, what do we do? What do we do? I'm trying to convert our eyes, try to go to coin. What's going on here? Are you, are you messing with us? Are you tea? this is in cool. This isn't what we signed up. It was uncomfortable, i could tell you. A lot of staff came into my office and say we don't know what to do and they go What's going to go? you just got to take the order. And this is what's really going on behind the scenes. Yeah, i'm like whoa, what are you doing? 

Speaker 4: I'm gonna go on secret to playboy and Anyway, also the only. I think I just said this, but even at the parties, the only a playboy lady, people for working for playboy and the girls working for playboy, the only naked girls you saw, those bodies were painted. Yes, body painted. 

Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and you'd have to be sitting there with like a paper scope looking in to see anything. It's crazy, though That's the paint job, yeah. But I want to chime in on the on the drug thing. Okay, michael, he was so against drugs, it was huge. I used to have to help during the events at the parties, right, i was like everywhere. I was helping put out fires. You know, i was in guest services, but at the same time I had my eyes watching everything and Anytime we saw a girl that was mistreated, obviously we call security. Also, we had to call security when anyone was trying to light up. We'd be nice, we'd go up and go. Look, i'm sorry. And this is when marijuana was illegal. Okay, so understand, this is an illegal drug at the time. So it's like oh, you can't do that. Oh man, but come on, it's the playboy mansion. No, we don't do that here and you can't. And put that out or out, we're gonna escort you to leave. Yeah, i'm not gonna name names. 

Speaker 3: But I was called because no one wanted to do it and there was a very prominent rapper that is very well known, constantly smoking, and I'm like I had to. I got the call, like we know, we got to go tell them to stop And I'm like I'm like I'm off, all right, i'll go do it. And I had literally had to go into the garado and I said you know, i'm sorry, but I'm breaking up the party. You can't do that. And they're all looking to be like I'm crazy. I'm like no, you seriously can't do that. And Security followed in. 

Speaker 4: I think we all know it is. 

Speaker 3: I'm just I'm not. I'm not trying to use this to, like you know, put the name, names or point fingers. I'm just saying an instance that shows that clearly Mr Hevner did not allow drugs. Yeah, okay, oh oh, bathrooms if anyone was in a bathroom Over a long period of time, you know we would get alerted. We have our coach at girls. We know who that was in the bathhouse. Hey, someone's been in the back too long. Security be sitting there pounding on the door. If anything was seen, those people are escorted and pulled off the property. That's not what the mansion was about. 

Speaker 4: And when hey, i know it's have friends, what is that? a line They would also be to would be asked to take a timeout from the mansion. I'm not naming names, no, no, we happen that all the time. Oh. 

Speaker 3: Oh, here's one, here's one. Okay, he didn't like people to be so drunk and inebriated that they couldn't control themselves. He actually reprimanded playmates, and you don't know that playmates did not drink at all when they were working. When they were working If anyone was drunk at, let's just say, like a Friday movie night or a Saturday night all of a sudden that girl got a phone call and said no, you can't be acting like that. You gotta compose yourself. You gotta remember that you know what I mean, where you're at and where we all represent, and we don't need to be like that. He was really big about you know it's funny everyone talks about you know, mr Hefter, in his Jack and Coax, that he took a couple little sips Half the time. We threw him out and made a new one. Josh had to make all the new ones. I'm like, give me a fresh one. 

Speaker 4: It was a couple of sips. 

Speaker 3: And then you know what I mean. 

Speaker 4: Well, what you did was and it's very, he was very specific You have to pour his Jack and Coax with a jigger, a little jigger that measures it. He sees exactly what's going in. He gets his Pepsi, you know, you put the Pepsi, but those Pepsi's come in small bottles. He would take the bottle with him, the bottle of Pepsi, and keep just drinking it, but still like diluting the same drink over and over again, and then maybe he would have another. You know, but that was it. They were measured and Doc Saginore, bless him, would always be down there, sometimes double checking to make sure his health over the years was still down there Like eyeballing or like yep, here you go, and it's always in front of him. So that was a thing. He wasn't getting hammered. 

Speaker 3: I've never seen him hammered. And again we're speaking. I'm speaking from like there in 1996 to 2017. I can speak for the time that I was there. I don't know what happened in the 70s, you know what I mean, but I did have a boss that told me a lot of the things He goes yeah, a lot of that was all fabricated. It didn't happen. You know what I mean. It was like it was for show, you know, and I'm going okay. So what I see here and look, here's a man that when he married Kimberly, guess what? 

Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, he was an agamist. 

Speaker 4: An agamist family. Yeah, when I got there. 

Speaker 3: it was a family I was- yeah, it wasn't until unfortunately, when they separated, that hey, he's going to come back out and started having parties again. But you just can't. You put two and two together and you try to hear these stories and they're going. This isn't making sense. 

Speaker 4: Yeah, when I first got the job at the mansion, the grotto had children's toys floating in it and floats, and that's what I wanted to know. 

Speaker 5: Well, i wanted to say too, like when I was there. When I was there, i saw Heffen Jeans one time and I'm like, where are you going? He's like parent teacher conferences And I'm like, what Parent teacher conferences? Like I can't imagine this one. And you know the boys would be up and they'd have all their little friends and they'd be videoing themselves, you know, acting through all these scenes, and they were so smart and they're so creative And they had. 

Speaker 5: what was it? Tuesday night was family night, where Kimberly would come over with the kids and they'd watch a movie and they'd spend time together. And he had such a wonderful relationship with his ex-wife and his kids And he always took time out for them. you know, He was a family man. He was such a genuine somebody with so much empathy, which you don't see anymore, you know, in Hollywood, with people that are of his stature. 

Speaker 2: So humble because, think about it, you know, brian, you were there, like you just said the years that you were and you got real close with the. it is a family and I hate how they keep saying it on A&E Like it's the Manson family. 

Speaker 5: No, we're real people. 

Speaker 2: We're all like. We have big hearts. I know that all of us sitting here are compassionate, normal, like. We have normal lives. You know what I mean. Like we're not. I saw the kindness of Heff, I saw the generosity of Him, I saw He was not this monster And I'm just grateful. Well, hopefully this encourages others to start speaking. We'll have you on again. 

Speaker 3: We're coming from a point of view that we actually had personal relationships with Mr Heff. We're not like, i'm not like some guy to go yeah, you know I worked there for three months but oh my God during that time and then we make all this fabrication. By the way, look at me, look at me, i was there. You know what I mean. No, we're like go and look. I'm not gonna go and start telling stories and secrets and stuff. All I can say is the man that I knew, the man that I got to see, i got to get really close. It was great that I got the opportunity to be there. You know what I mean. I remember. I mean there's so many stories of where I'd go called up And, like I said, i saw this man and I saw who he really was. You know, there was the image. There was the image of Heff. You know what I mean. And then there was Hugh Hefner, my boss, that I saw I did. 

Speaker 3: A really generous guy that was, i think, even in himself, was shocked that wow, i'm really living this life. I'm like it was an idea and it really worked. That's why I say he's the American dream right, he went for it, he fought for it And I always looked at that, whether you agree with his lifestyle or not. Look, i pointed this out on the show I did with you guys. Right, it's just so funny with all the crosses in the background. You know I'm a first for fact Christian, right, i see how I? but I worked at a place that I saw what that place really was and what a family it was. 

Speaker 3: And I remember when Mr Heffner found out I was going on a mission trip to Africa and he right away handed out money to all the girls. You know Holly, bridget and Kendra go shopping and then bought all this clothes that I took over to Africa. You know what I'm saying And it's like that one people don't get to hear. You know what I mean. It's just there's so many of those kinds of stories is again, i'm just encouraging people. Speak out, speak out, tell your stories. You have platforms, we have social media platforms. Speak out, reach out to you know, to these ladies, to Echo, to Karina I know they would love to have you on, yeah. 

Speaker 1: I want to utilize this platform to do so And I hope that it will encourage more women and people, and I think it will. You know, i think you know somebody has to kind of take the first step and really, you know, have some you know detailed conversations about it. And yeah, to all of my PlayMae sisters out there, the Playboy family, this platform is yours as well. So if you want to do anything, please reach out to Karina and I and we had no idea that any of this stuff was going to be coming about. You know, we had no idea that Playboy was going to be so relevant in the media at this time and place. And I know that Hep is working through us. 

Speaker 2: I know that he is with us And we just barely Think for America, cause it's like we're hanging by thread with what America stands for. And he was one of the last vestiges of freedom in a sense, which I know that sounds crazy to say, as a Christian too, about a man that had a magazine that was kind of, you know, a taboo for most. That were you know. But I would say I'm not religious and just Hep is probably in heaven. I, you know, it's faith alone in Christ alone, apart from any and all works, it's not religion, it's that's what Christ is, and Brian said it before, he's like you know what God brought me into the Playboy mansion as a believer, and Hep, you know, needed that message too. And the point is, when we get back to truth, there is truth and there is lies, and that's why a lot of people have a problem and they want an excuse for their behavior. Hey, the ground is flat at the cross. I don't mean to preach here, but we're all sinners From a more non secular standpoint. 

Speaker 4: I forgive with the closet behind me. I just put it down to very simple. The man was not only a pop culture hero, he was a civil rights icon. 

Speaker 3: Yes, Right there, 100%. 

Speaker 2: Bam bam. 

Speaker 5: I have him looking over my living room, so I see the man every day. Because he did so much for me, i wouldn't be where I am today, i wouldn't have the business I had today which, by the way, this month is my five year anniversary from opening my business and I got a million dollars in sales. Congratulations, Eddie Chinz. I would have never had it happen in my life. He taught me so much. I love him Yeah absolutely. 

Speaker 1: That's actually a good segue, audra. So, on all the interviews we've done, we end the show with two questions. Yeah, brian has already done this, but we would love to ask you and Joshua, okay, first three words that define him to you. 

Speaker 4: That define him. Oh, i think I just said it in the four or five. but you know what then? fine, more than a pop culture hero. I'll just repeat civil rights icon. That's it, three words done, you know. 

Speaker 2: Civil rights icon. 

Speaker 4: You love it right. 

Speaker 5: I was gonna say empathetic icon And the other one just went out my head. But his heart you can't. That man had the biggest heart for anybody and anything Animals, people, people that were suffering. He donated to so many things. He helped so many people. I mean, he's just he had a heart of gold and it just breaks my heart that people I'm gonna tear up, that people would do this to him because he only helped people. And you know what? I never saw that man in a bad mood. He was always so positive and had so much life. And he come bouncing out on those stairs and he was just so full of life. I love seeing him every day, absolutely, yeah, absolutely. 

Speaker 1: Okay. second question If you had a chance to say anything to have in memoriam before he passed, what would you say? 

Speaker 4: Going to go or have you already? you know I speak for the whole world when I would say to him thank you for everything. 

Speaker 5: Yep. 

Speaker 1: For everything. 

Speaker 5: That actually covers a lot of ground, audra. I'm sorry, mine's gonna a lot of truth here. So there's been one thing that I regret my entire life and it was picking up a stupid bag that I thought was a gift bag. That wasn't a gift bag And it was Kendra's bag And I was so embarrassed to like own up to it And I feel bad that I did that. And you know I was young and stupid and I wish that I could have told him that. You know I really do. 

Speaker 1: We're gonna wrap up the show. We want to remind everybody to obviously follow us. Our website is theBunnyChroniclescom and you can contact us through there. We also have memorabilia and soon. Merchline and Karina and I are also working on a huge NFT project that's going on YouTube channel as well. We have a full video broadcast on there. We also have a Patreon page So you wanna support the show, send gifts. You can do so at Patreon. Our videos now are all up on Spotify And I'm so excited about it. 

Speaker 3: That's cool. thank you guys. That means a lot to us That means a lot to us. 

Speaker 1: It's huge, so just stay tuned. Thank you to our audience, thank you to our listeners. Thank you, our Playboy family. We love you. We are so grateful for you. It is so amazing to be reunited with everybody And just thank you. 

Speaker 2: Thank you Josh, ryan and Padna, thank you guys, yes, yes, and we will see you soon.